I didn't say the Plasma Consoles were...I'm just speaking to the people who seem to be okay with people reaching million of dps...the people who don't care how broken things are as long as it benefits them...that they need to use as a crutch.
Million dps or not there is the fact that people can get 50k damage from a single proc on a easy to obtain and cheap to upgrade console...that's broken, especially since it only works on FaW but *magically* doesn't seem to work like that on any other type of weapon buff!
Sorry apart from the recent videos concerning what has been confirmed to be a bug that already has a fix on the way, I don't know anyone who has hit a million dps.
The fact that those consoles don't crit outside of FAW is a bug though, one that I think should be fixed.
Still dancing around my point...putting millions of DPS aside...the Embassy Consoles are bugged and insane numbers are being had...that is the point of this thread...not is someone got millions of DPS. I was just pointing out the bugs and such and that people are completely willing to ignore them as long as it benefits them. "Bug that increases their dps from thousands to millions?" "Who cares as long as I can take advantage of it!" mentality.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Hey, let's link a video where the .01% of best players in the game do incredible things and incessantly cry about how it means the game is broken! Y'all are more jealous than a pack of inadequately wealthy Ferengi.
It isn't an insult as much as a statement of fact. No other proc in the game does that. Tetryon weapon proc does not instantly strip the shields from a ship. Polarons do not have the ability to drain a ship of its power entirely. Phasers do not disable a system for 30s. It is utterly absurd to see a proc doing 30k-50k damage and claim it is balanced. That is pure unadulterated idiocy.
No, its an insult. And that's not even going into what gamedev would think about balancing stuff around outliers obtained by top end players.
As for your comment, no, don't begin to put words into my mouth.
You nerf plasma consoles and you nerf any ship that's sci console heavy. Where's that leave them compared to tac console heavy ships? That's not words in your mouth, that's actual fact.
By all means be insulted if you choose to be, and ignore what I said. Though, rather than this crazy hero worship, putting the high DPSers on a pedestal that mere mortals should not question or hope to aspire to, you could try looking deeper and understand what is going on here and why it is broken. The fact they crit only with BFAW is obviously broken.
But then again you agree with the fact they are overpowered afterall. I mean if you are, in so many words, stating that every other sci console is underperforming, then it is simply easier to say that plasma explosion consoles are overperforming. If the other options are all significantly worse, obviously the singular best option is overpowered.
Here is the thing, nerfing them means bringing them into line, not nerfing them into uselessness. They shouldn't be a significant portion of anyone's damage. They are clearly not intended to be. One/two shotting ships with the lions share of damage done by a random proc, whether PVE or PVP is utterly broken, period, especially when it only happens under one specific buff which should not be affecting the proc in that way at all.
Whaaaa Whaaaa I got beat Whaaaa Whaaaa. It's not fair Whaaaa Whaaaa. Seriously OP whiners like you have destroyed many a good game.
So, you mean to tell me that you think that these things are NOT overpowered? You don't think people getting more than a third of their PvE damage from these consoles is overpowered? You don't think wiping players (who are buffed and defensive) without even targetting them in your blind fire AoE isn't OP? You don't think that putting out more damage than the HP a standard level Cube NPC has in the blink of an eye is OP?
For the record, I don't mind getting beat. I like getting beat - it means that there was actually a challenge, and now I've got to try and combat it.
So has it crossed your mind that maybe the player who figured it out may just be better then you? Maybe you haven't really learned how to build a ship?
So what if you get a third of your damage from consoles SO WHAT? So you want to punish people who crafted and poured time and money into upgrading thier gear? You want to punish those of us who took the time to upgrade gear to epic? You do know you can do that to your defense gear right? Oh wait you don't want to learn how to do that or take the time and effort. Consoles are for boosting your items both offense and defense. I think you have severe case of gear envy. So buck it up whiner. So in the end consoles are not over powered the only thing wrong is you are a freaking elitest cry baby who got his rear handed to him. People like you when ever they get out matched go crying that X is over powered instead of figuring out how to either do it yourself or learn new tactics to compensate. You are a lousy player if you can't learn from your defeat and be gracious about your defeat but instead you go spouting off how an item is overpowered cause you lost a match. Sad really.
Whaaaa Whaaaa I got beat Whaaaa Whaaaa. It's not fair Whaaaa Whaaaa. Seriously OP whiners like you have destroyed many a good game.
So, you mean to tell me that you think that these things are NOT overpowered? You don't think people getting more than a third of their PvE damage from these consoles is overpowered? You don't think wiping players (who are buffed and defensive) without even targetting them in your blind fire AoE isn't OP? You don't think that putting out more damage than the HP a standard level Cube NPC has in the blink of an eye is OP?
For the record, I don't mind getting beat. I like getting beat - it means that there was actually a challenge, and now I've got to try and combat it.
So has it crossed your mind that maybe the player who figured it out may just be better then you? Maybe you haven't really learned how to build a ship?
So what if you get a third of your damage from consoles SO WHAT? So you want to punish people who crafted and poured time and money into upgrading thier gear? You want to punish those of us who took the time to upgrade gear to epic? You do know you can do that to your defense gear right? Oh wait you don't want to learn how to do that or take the time and effort. Consoles are for boosting your items both offense and defense. I think you have severe case of gear envy. So buck it up whiner. So in the end consoles are not over powered the only thing wrong is you are a freaking elitest cry baby who got his rear handed to him. People like you when ever they get out matched go crying that X is over powered instead of figuring out how to either do it yourself or learn new tactics to compensate. You are a lousy player if you can't learn from your defeat and be gracious about your defeat but instead you go spouting off how an item is overpowered cause you lost a match. Sad really.
You obviously don't understand how this game works nor it's mechanic, so I'm not going to bother trying to educate you.
Gear envy? Those consoles are some of the easiest things to upgrade. So, no. It's not that
Not knowing what the build is? Mmm, no, not that either - there's two things involved; Embassy consoles with the [Pla] proc and FAW.
I'm all for people being better than me. I'll fully admit I'm not the best player around. But if you can think of a way to defend against more damage than your entire hull, going straight through your shields, please enlighten me.
If you think that these 2.5% proc consoles being more powerful than every single other 2.5% weapon proc combined is logical, more power to you. If you think that a 2.5% chance proc getting nearly half of your damage in an ISA run, which means it's doing nearly the same amount of damage as all of your weapons and their buffs, makes sense, more power to you.
You know, for nostalgia and humor's sake, remember how the +Pla Embassy Consoles worked before the Plasma Explosions variant? The damage output was great via Plasma Burns.
Cryptic didn't like that, so they did Plasma Explosions instead. You can't get better comedy than this
I'm all for people being better than me. I'll fully admit I'm not the best player around. But if you can think of a way to defend against more damage than your entire hull, going straight through your shields, please enlighten me.
PvP is suppose to be competition. If those who know it wont tell you at the forums, there is no reason anyone should also.
Forums is a bad way to know how high end/elite level of play is done since those who go around the forums are not majority pvp players. The closest example I can impart is just like HSE, yes you get small bits information about HSE at the forums, but do players spill exactly and in detail how they complete HSE in the forums? Or do you learn exact complete/details in private or through experience?
If you want to know the counter/s, you got to ask the right set of people, most likely in private or if you want to learn yourself, you got to learn thru your experiences and test counters with plasma consoles. There is even a distinct possibility that one of the players who killed you with plasma consoles knows how to counter them.
Whaaaa Whaaaa I got beat Whaaaa Whaaaa. It's not fair Whaaaa Whaaaa. Seriously OP whiners like you have destroyed many a good game.
So, you mean to tell me that you think that these things are NOT overpowered? You don't think people getting more than a third of their PvE damage from these consoles is overpowered? You don't think wiping players (who are buffed and defensive) without even targetting them in your blind fire AoE isn't OP? You don't think that putting out more damage than the HP a standard level Cube NPC has in the blink of an eye is OP?
For the record, I don't mind getting beat. I like getting beat - it means that there was actually a challenge, and now I've got to try and combat it.
So has it crossed your mind that maybe the player who figured it out may just be better then you? Maybe you haven't really learned how to build a ship?
So what if you get a third of your damage from consoles SO WHAT? So you want to punish people who crafted and poured time and money into upgrading thier gear? You want to punish those of us who took the time to upgrade gear to epic? You do know you can do that to your defense gear right? Oh wait you don't want to learn how to do that or take the time and effort. Consoles are for boosting your items both offense and defense. I think you have severe case of gear envy. So buck it up whiner. So in the end consoles are not over powered the only thing wrong is you are a freaking elitest cry baby who got his rear handed to him. People like you when ever they get out matched go crying that X is over powered instead of figuring out how to either do it yourself or learn new tactics to compensate. You are a lousy player if you can't learn from your defeat and be gracious about your defeat but instead you go spouting off how an item is overpowered cause you lost a match. Sad really.
Ahh yes...taking a 100k damage in seconds through shields from a random over powered proc = skill?
Of course no point in explaining logic to you since all you can do is act like a 5 year old and call someone a whiner over and over
I suppose you actually think equipping a easy to obtain and upgrade console that does most of the work for you = skill?
So tell me all might STO guru...how do you prepare for a proc that can 1 or 2 shot most players...the occurs randomly.
You know what...don't nerf them...I say we should start giving NPC's them...when Borg or Heralds start one shotting you I'm sure you'll be one of the first in line asking for them to remove it.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
If you want to know the counter/s, you got to ask the right set of people, most likely in private or if you want to learn yourself, you got to learn thru your experiences and test counters with plasma consoles. There is even a distinct possibility that one of the players who killed you with plasma consoles knows how to counter them.
in other words....you don't know of a counter either? I'm starting to think you don't quite know what's going on with plasma explosion consoles.
If you want to know the counter/s, you got to ask the right set of people, most likely in private or if you want to learn yourself, you got to learn thru your experiences and test counters with plasma consoles. There is even a distinct possibility that one of the players who killed you with plasma consoles knows how to counter them.
in other words....you don't know of a counter either? I'm starting to think you don't quite know what's going on with plasma explosion consoles.
He doesn't want to state the counter-because it doesn't exist.
He has a record for spouting stuff he knows nothing about, I just assume he's a troll nowadays.
As far as the topic goes, the game is very broken by this point. These consoles are just one example of what's wrong with it; the Research Lab consoles being bugged like they are simply should never have got past internal testing, same goes for the embassy ones that in the grand scheme of things have been given a buff.
I've felt like giving up on Tribble at this point, I used to test the main features quite extensively, however no matter what you do Cryptic either ignores the feedback in order to regret doing so later or they change something with such a knee-jerk reaction it ends up doing more harm than good.
Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head. - Euripides
I no longer do any Bug Hunting work for Cryptic. I may resume if a serious attempt to fix the game is made.
I'm all for people being better than me. I'll fully admit I'm not the best player around. But if you can think of a way to defend against more damage than your entire hull, going straight through your shields, please enlighten me.
PvP is suppose to be competition. If those who know it wont tell you at the forums, there is no reason anyone should also.
If you want to know the counter/s, you got to ask the right set of people, most likely in private or if you want to learn yourself, you got to learn thru your experiences and test counters with plasma consoles. There is even a distinct possibility that one of the players who killed you with plasma consoles knows how to counter them.
PvP is about competition and teamwork - that's why things like that this, that you quite literally can not compete against, make no sense.
Pax, I am asking you directly now. Do you or do you not know of a counter to the Plasma Explosions?
Everything that I myself and others have tried has failed, both due to their severity and inherent unpredictability. They are unable to be reflected by Feedback Pulse as well.
Again: Do you or do you not know of a counter? If so, what is it? Saying "Yes, I know of a counter, go find out yourself" doesn't help anyone, especially yourself, as you seem to be digging yourself into a hole.
As far as the topic goes, the game is very broken by this point. These consoles are just one example of what's wrong with it; the Research Lab consoles being bugged like they are simply should never have got past internal testing,
Pax, I am asking you directly now. Do you or do you not know of a counter to the Plasma Explosions?
Everything that I myself and others have tried has failed, both due to their severity and inherent unpredictability. They are unable to be reflected by Feedback Pulse as well.
Again: Do you or do you not know of a counter? If so, what is it? Saying "Yes, I know of a counter, go find out yourself" doesn't help anyone, especially yourself, as you seem to be digging yourself into a hole.
I don't PvP, but I don't think there is a counter. It's a chance-based proc that can't be reflected by FBP, as you say, and can't be cleansed, cuz it's not a hazard.
I don't PvP, but I don't think there is a counter. It's a chance-based proc that can't be reflected by FBP, as you say, and can't be cleansed, cuz it's not a hazard.
I don't PvP, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night. If something's overwhelming my defenses, I bolster up defenses against said attack. Load up on plasma resist consoles (assuming they exist), bulk up HP, invest in a 'oh TRIBBLE' button like A2SIF.
I get almost nothing out of plasma explosions with 4 consoles. But it is a science ship. I assume you need 8 beams, 5 tac consoles, and double FAW to do anything with them?
Probably - I use four of them on my FT5-U Nova, and I don't feel that they have THAT big an impact on my overall damage, although I'm pretty sure the fact that I don't use any tactical console in my tac console slots affects this too.
Intend to swap the plasma generating sci consoles in favour of the new sci consoles from the new fleet holding - my build concentrates on partigens - that is where the majority of my DPS comes from - and those consoles offer better numbers for partigens.
they need to be scaled to epic and they're buffed by EPtW, Dmg, and anything that boosts all damage like t4 nukara trait. The scaling to epic gives the most.
Pax, I am asking you directly now. Do you or do you not know of a counter to the Plasma Explosions?
Everything that I myself and others have tried has failed, both due to their severity and inherent unpredictability. They are unable to be reflected by Feedback Pulse as well.
Again: Do you or do you not know of a counter? If so, what is it? Saying "Yes, I know of a counter, go find out yourself" doesn't help anyone, especially yourself, as you seem to be digging yourself into a hole.
I don't PvP, but I don't think there is a counter. It's a chance-based proc that can't be reflected by FBP, as you say, and can't be cleansed, cuz it's not a hazard.
I don't PvP, but I don't think there is a counter. It's a chance-based proc that can't be reflected by FBP, as you say, and can't be cleansed, cuz it's not a hazard.
I don't PvP, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night. If something's overwhelming my defenses, I bolster up defenses against said attack. Load up on plasma resist consoles (assuming they exist), bulk up HP, invest in a 'oh TRIBBLE' button like A2SIF.
How are you going to bolster your defenses against something that goes through your defenses, randomly, and does more damage than your defenses can defend against?
The "oh TRIBBLE!" button, like A2SIF you mentioned, is a staple on any and every (PvP) build. Except how are you going to use it if you don't even have the chance to? By the time that second Explosion hit, I had over 65% passive resist, which is near the cap (which, if you want to hit, you have to literally run nothing but Resist-based gear). So, no... Resistance isn't the answer either
I don't PvP, but I don't think there is a counter. It's a chance-based proc that can't be reflected by FBP, as you say, and can't be cleansed, cuz it's not a hazard.
I don't PvP, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night. If something's overwhelming my defenses, I bolster up defenses against said attack. Load up on plasma resist consoles (assuming they exist), bulk up HP, invest in a 'oh TRIBBLE' button like A2SIF.
Oh really? So you may be a bit more protected against the explosion...but that leaves you vulnerable to everything else...good plan.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
I don't PvP, but I don't think there is a counter. It's a chance-based proc that can't be reflected by FBP, as you say, and can't be cleansed, cuz it's not a hazard.
I don't PvP, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night. If something's overwhelming my defenses, I bolster up defenses against said attack. Load up on plasma resist consoles (assuming they exist), bulk up HP, invest in a 'oh TRIBBLE' button like A2SIF.
Oh really? So you may be a bit more protected against the explosion...but that leaves you vulnerable to everything else...good plan.
It's really not much of a protection against the explosion. the old [burn] proc before the power was 'fixed' you could run hazards to clear it. (in PvP a pretty standard thing to have.) Hazards doesn't work against the current version, and resists?
Old version was a pretty straightforward plasma proc. New one bypasses resists through the route of "Exotic Damage", your plasma resist consoles are significantly less effective, and it also bypasses shields, so shields with [Pla} don't provide any additional protection against it either.
The further bug to it-that it only crits on BFAW makes things WORSE-the random nature of the proc means that the more times you cycle the weapons, the more likely you are to trigger the proc. BFAW has the highest cyclic rate of all beam abilities, and arguably has a higher cycle rate when determining procs than Cannon Rapid-Fire with a shorter cooldown.
Mechanically, a power that has few to no resists should take a while to cycle, and be rare. If they didn't change anything else on it, a shift to only triggering on Beam Over Load would put it in the range of "Powerful, but not overpowered" for both PvE and PvP-reason being, it would reduce the frequency of the proc triggering, and narrow the effective 'arc' of the proc to a maximum of 270 degrees (unless you're using beam turret, but then, BOL only gives one try at a time...)
of course, there's no way in hell they're going to do that-it would lower the 'must have' value of the Embassy consoles among the DPS cult, but it would probably require less work than whatever revamp Borticus is actually doing to try and change the situation while avoiding the third rail of messin' with FAW.
I knew it bypassed shields but didn't know it was considered exotic...so yeah if it works like that even stacking plasma resists wont do a whole lot...and you very well can't say *just immunity it* because it's completely random and you could be insta-gibbed just as your immunities drop to cooldown.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
How are you going to bolster your defenses against something that goes through your defenses, randomly, and does more damage than your defenses can defend against?
The "oh TRIBBLE!" button, like A2SIF you mentioned, is a staple on any and every (PvP) build. Except how are you going to use it if you don't even have the chance to? By the time that second Explosion hit, I had over 65% passive resist, which is near the cap (which, if you want to hit, you have to literally run nothing but Resist-based gear). So, no... Resistance isn't the answer either
I need a better Holiday Inn Express.
Yeah, not sure how you can counter that then, but also not sure how to fix it without TRIBBLE over PvEers. Ultimately, I imagine it will be resolved the usual Cryptic way: Create something even more powerful that everyone will drop it for. (i.e. Sidelining A2B via [Amp] and Nukara Tier IV.)
How are you going to bolster your defenses against something that goes through your defenses, randomly, and does more damage than your defenses can defend against?
The "oh TRIBBLE!" button, like A2SIF you mentioned, is a staple on any and every (PvP) build. Except how are you going to use it if you don't even have the chance to? By the time that second Explosion hit, I had over 65% passive resist, which is near the cap (which, if you want to hit, you have to literally run nothing but Resist-based gear). So, no... Resistance isn't the answer either
I need a better Holiday Inn Express.
Yeah, not sure how you can counter that then, but also not sure how to fix it without TRIBBLE over PvEers. Ultimately, I imagine it will be resolved the usual Cryptic way: Create something even more powerful that everyone will drop it for. (i.e. Sidelining A2B via [Amp] and Nukara Tier IV.)
Right?
"We don't like that Aux to Batt has become a crutch since everyone is using it to reduce cool downs. That doesn't sound right to us. So here, take Reciprocity and All Hands on Deck."
I'm curious as to whether the level of damage it puts out (over time, not necessarily just from Crits) is along the lines of what they intended, or if overall damage itself is also overperforming.
They nerfed Burns, which were far more manageable (due to them being a Hazard), and replaced them because they were overperforming. But now these do better - both in terms of raw damage and the way it's delivered (Burst vs DoT). Is that what they were going for?
How are you going to bolster your defenses against something that goes through your defenses, randomly, and does more damage than your defenses can defend against?
The "oh TRIBBLE!" button, like A2SIF you mentioned, is a staple on any and every (PvP) build. Except how are you going to use it if you don't even have the chance to? By the time that second Explosion hit, I had over 65% passive resist, which is near the cap (which, if you want to hit, you have to literally run nothing but Resist-based gear). So, no... Resistance isn't the answer either
I need a better Holiday Inn Express.
Yeah, not sure how you can counter that then, but also not sure how to fix it without TRIBBLE over PvEers. Ultimately, I imagine it will be resolved the usual Cryptic way: Create something even more powerful that everyone will drop it for. (i.e. Sidelining A2B via [Amp] and Nukara Tier IV.)
Right?
"We don't like that Aux to Batt has become a crutch since everyone is using it to reduce cool downs. That doesn't sound right to us. So here, take Reciprocity and All Hands to Deck."
I'm curious as to whether the level of damage it puts out (over time, not necessarily just from Crits) is along the lines of what they intended, or if overall damage itself is also overperforming.
They nerfed Burns, which were far more manageable (due to them being a Hazard), and replaced them because they were overperforming. But now these do better - both in terms of raw damage and the way it's delivered (Burst vs DoT). Is that what they were going for?
This post is so hilarious because it's so true
"Embassy Plasma burns were altered because they were overperforming and not WAI. So here are Plasma Explosions instead."
How are you going to bolster your defenses against something that goes through your defenses, randomly, and does more damage than your defenses can defend against?
The "oh TRIBBLE!" button, like A2SIF you mentioned, is a staple on any and every (PvP) build. Except how are you going to use it if you don't even have the chance to? By the time that second Explosion hit, I had over 65% passive resist, which is near the cap (which, if you want to hit, you have to literally run nothing but Resist-based gear). So, no... Resistance isn't the answer either
I need a better Holiday Inn Express.
Yeah, not sure how you can counter that then, but also not sure how to fix it without TRIBBLE over PvEers. Ultimately, I imagine it will be resolved the usual Cryptic way: Create something even more powerful that everyone will drop it for. (i.e. Sidelining A2B via [Amp] and Nukara Tier IV.)
Right?
"We don't like that Aux to Batt has become a crutch since everyone is using it to reduce cool downs. That doesn't sound right to us. So here, take Reciprocity and All Hands to Deck."
I'm curious as to whether the level of damage it puts out (over time, not necessarily just from Crits) is along the lines of what they intended, or if overall damage itself is also overperforming.
They nerfed Burns, which were far more manageable (due to them being a Hazard), and replaced them because they were overperforming. But now these do better - both in terms of raw damage and the way it's delivered (Burst vs DoT). Is that what they were going for?
This post is so hilarious because it's so true
"Embassy Plasma burns were altered because they were overperforming and not WAI. So here are Plasma Explosions instead."
Yeah but plasma burns didn't hurt PvP as much as be insta-gibbed randomly...plus did people plasma dope in PvP? I'd think not because reducing weapon power at the cost of something that can be purged could bite you if it didn't proc much.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
How are you going to bolster your defenses against something that goes through your defenses, randomly, and does more damage than your defenses can defend against?
The "oh TRIBBLE!" button, like A2SIF you mentioned, is a staple on any and every (PvP) build. Except how are you going to use it if you don't even have the chance to? By the time that second Explosion hit, I had over 65% passive resist, which is near the cap (which, if you want to hit, you have to literally run nothing but Resist-based gear). So, no... Resistance isn't the answer either
I need a better Holiday Inn Express.
Yeah, not sure how you can counter that then, but also not sure how to fix it without TRIBBLE over PvEers. Ultimately, I imagine it will be resolved the usual Cryptic way: Create something even more powerful that everyone will drop it for. (i.e. Sidelining A2B via [Amp] and Nukara Tier IV.)
Right?
"We don't like that Aux to Batt has become a crutch since everyone is using it to reduce cool downs. That doesn't sound right to us. So here, take Reciprocity and All Hands to Deck."
I'm curious as to whether the level of damage it puts out (over time, not necessarily just from Crits) is along the lines of what they intended, or if overall damage itself is also overperforming.
They nerfed Burns, which were far more manageable (due to them being a Hazard), and replaced them because they were overperforming. But now these do better - both in terms of raw damage and the way it's delivered (Burst vs DoT). Is that what they were going for?
This post is so hilarious because it's so true
"Embassy Plasma burns were altered because they were overperforming and not WAI. So here are Plasma Explosions instead."
Gentlemen, instead of gasoline and a match, we now present you with a flamethrower instead, TY.
How are you going to bolster your defenses against something that goes through your defenses, randomly, and does more damage than your defenses can defend against?
The "oh TRIBBLE!" button, like A2SIF you mentioned, is a staple on any and every (PvP) build. Except how are you going to use it if you don't even have the chance to? By the time that second Explosion hit, I had over 65% passive resist, which is near the cap (which, if you want to hit, you have to literally run nothing but Resist-based gear). So, no... Resistance isn't the answer either
I need a better Holiday Inn Express.
Yeah, not sure how you can counter that then, but also not sure how to fix it without TRIBBLE over PvEers. Ultimately, I imagine it will be resolved the usual Cryptic way: Create something even more powerful that everyone will drop it for. (i.e. Sidelining A2B via [Amp] and Nukara Tier IV.)
Right?
"We don't like that Aux to Batt has become a crutch since everyone is using it to reduce cool downs. That doesn't sound right to us. So here, take Reciprocity and All Hands to Deck."
I'm curious as to whether the level of damage it puts out (over time, not necessarily just from Crits) is along the lines of what they intended, or if overall damage itself is also overperforming.
They nerfed Burns, which were far more manageable (due to them being a Hazard), and replaced them because they were overperforming. But now these do better - both in terms of raw damage and the way it's delivered (Burst vs DoT). Is that what they were going for?
This post is so hilarious because it's so true
"Embassy Plasma burns were altered because they were overperforming and not WAI. So here are Plasma Explosions instead."
Yeah but plasma burns didn't hurt PvP as much as be insta-gibbed randomly...plus did people plasma dope in PvP? I'd think not because reducing weapon power at the cost of something that can be purged could bite you if it didn't proc much.
Exactly. The Plasma Burns in PVP were irrelevant because they could be cleared. No sane PVP'er would go into PVP without having a method to clear the various debuffs and hazards in STO. They CAN be useful with some skill. There were players that had ways on getting you to use your clearing abilities, wipe them off, then land all kinds of hazards on you. But that is harder to accomplish these days with various means of clearing debuffs without using a BOFF ability. The Explosions however are a different story. Surprised to find out that FBP doesn't work.
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Still dancing around my point...putting millions of DPS aside...the Embassy Consoles are bugged and insane numbers are being had...that is the point of this thread...not is someone got millions of DPS. I was just pointing out the bugs and such and that people are completely willing to ignore them as long as it benefits them. "Bug that increases their dps from thousands to millions?" "Who cares as long as I can take advantage of it!" mentality.
By all means be insulted if you choose to be, and ignore what I said. Though, rather than this crazy hero worship, putting the high DPSers on a pedestal that mere mortals should not question or hope to aspire to, you could try looking deeper and understand what is going on here and why it is broken. The fact they crit only with BFAW is obviously broken.
But then again you agree with the fact they are overpowered afterall. I mean if you are, in so many words, stating that every other sci console is underperforming, then it is simply easier to say that plasma explosion consoles are overperforming. If the other options are all significantly worse, obviously the singular best option is overpowered.
Here is the thing, nerfing them means bringing them into line, not nerfing them into uselessness. They shouldn't be a significant portion of anyone's damage. They are clearly not intended to be. One/two shotting ships with the lions share of damage done by a random proc, whether PVE or PVP is utterly broken, period, especially when it only happens under one specific buff which should not be affecting the proc in that way at all.
So has it crossed your mind that maybe the player who figured it out may just be better then you? Maybe you haven't really learned how to build a ship?
So what if you get a third of your damage from consoles SO WHAT? So you want to punish people who crafted and poured time and money into upgrading thier gear? You want to punish those of us who took the time to upgrade gear to epic? You do know you can do that to your defense gear right? Oh wait you don't want to learn how to do that or take the time and effort. Consoles are for boosting your items both offense and defense. I think you have severe case of gear envy. So buck it up whiner. So in the end consoles are not over powered the only thing wrong is you are a freaking elitest cry baby who got his rear handed to him. People like you when ever they get out matched go crying that X is over powered instead of figuring out how to either do it yourself or learn new tactics to compensate. You are a lousy player if you can't learn from your defeat and be gracious about your defeat but instead you go spouting off how an item is overpowered cause you lost a match. Sad really.
You obviously don't understand how this game works nor it's mechanic, so I'm not going to bother trying to educate you.
Gear envy? Those consoles are some of the easiest things to upgrade. So, no. It's not that
Not knowing what the build is? Mmm, no, not that either - there's two things involved; Embassy consoles with the [Pla] proc and FAW.
I'm all for people being better than me. I'll fully admit I'm not the best player around. But if you can think of a way to defend against more damage than your entire hull, going straight through your shields, please enlighten me.
If you think that these 2.5% proc consoles being more powerful than every single other 2.5% weapon proc combined is logical, more power to you. If you think that a 2.5% chance proc getting nearly half of your damage in an ISA run, which means it's doing nearly the same amount of damage as all of your weapons and their buffs, makes sense, more power to you.
I just wish I lived in the same lala land as you.
Cryptic didn't like that, so they did Plasma Explosions instead. You can't get better comedy than this
PvP is suppose to be competition. If those who know it wont tell you at the forums, there is no reason anyone should also.
Forums is a bad way to know how high end/elite level of play is done since those who go around the forums are not majority pvp players. The closest example I can impart is just like HSE, yes you get small bits information about HSE at the forums, but do players spill exactly and in detail how they complete HSE in the forums? Or do you learn exact complete/details in private or through experience?
If you want to know the counter/s, you got to ask the right set of people, most likely in private or if you want to learn yourself, you got to learn thru your experiences and test counters with plasma consoles. There is even a distinct possibility that one of the players who killed you with plasma consoles knows how to counter them.
Ahh yes...taking a 100k damage in seconds through shields from a random over powered proc = skill?
Of course no point in explaining logic to you since all you can do is act like a 5 year old and call someone a whiner over and over
I suppose you actually think equipping a easy to obtain and upgrade console that does most of the work for you = skill?
So tell me all might STO guru...how do you prepare for a proc that can 1 or 2 shot most players...the occurs randomly.
You know what...don't nerf them...I say we should start giving NPC's them...when Borg or Heralds start one shotting you I'm sure you'll be one of the first in line asking for them to remove it.
in other words....you don't know of a counter either? I'm starting to think you don't quite know what's going on with plasma explosion consoles.
He has a record for spouting stuff he knows nothing about, I just assume he's a troll nowadays.
As far as the topic goes, the game is very broken by this point. These consoles are just one example of what's wrong with it; the Research Lab consoles being bugged like they are simply should never have got past internal testing, same goes for the embassy ones that in the grand scheme of things have been given a buff.
I've felt like giving up on Tribble at this point, I used to test the main features quite extensively, however no matter what you do Cryptic either ignores the feedback in order to regret doing so later or they change something with such a knee-jerk reaction it ends up doing more harm than good.
PvP is about competition and teamwork - that's why things like that this, that you quite literally can not compete against, make no sense.
Pax, I am asking you directly now. Do you or do you not know of a counter to the Plasma Explosions?
Everything that I myself and others have tried has failed, both due to their severity and inherent unpredictability. They are unable to be reflected by Feedback Pulse as well.
Again: Do you or do you not know of a counter? If so, what is it? Saying "Yes, I know of a counter, go find out yourself" doesn't help anyone, especially yourself, as you seem to be digging yourself into a hole.
This game has internal testing?! :P
I don't PvP, but I don't think there is a counter. It's a chance-based proc that can't be reflected by FBP, as you say, and can't be cleansed, cuz it's not a hazard.
I don't PvP, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night. If something's overwhelming my defenses, I bolster up defenses against said attack. Load up on plasma resist consoles (assuming they exist), bulk up HP, invest in a 'oh TRIBBLE' button like A2SIF.
they need to be scaled to epic and they're buffed by EPtW, Dmg, and anything that boosts all damage like t4 nukara trait. The scaling to epic gives the most.
That is correct
How are you going to bolster your defenses against something that goes through your defenses, randomly, and does more damage than your defenses can defend against?
The "oh TRIBBLE!" button, like A2SIF you mentioned, is a staple on any and every (PvP) build. Except how are you going to use it if you don't even have the chance to? By the time that second Explosion hit, I had over 65% passive resist, which is near the cap (which, if you want to hit, you have to literally run nothing but Resist-based gear). So, no... Resistance isn't the answer either
That's the secret of the new PvP meta - and it really sux. cya in another game
Oh really? So you may be a bit more protected against the explosion...but that leaves you vulnerable to everything else...good plan.
I knew it bypassed shields but didn't know it was considered exotic...so yeah if it works like that even stacking plasma resists wont do a whole lot...and you very well can't say *just immunity it* because it's completely random and you could be insta-gibbed just as your immunities drop to cooldown.
I need a better Holiday Inn Express.
Yeah, not sure how you can counter that then, but also not sure how to fix it without TRIBBLE over PvEers. Ultimately, I imagine it will be resolved the usual Cryptic way: Create something even more powerful that everyone will drop it for. (i.e. Sidelining A2B via [Amp] and Nukara Tier IV.)
Right?
"We don't like that Aux to Batt has become a crutch since everyone is using it to reduce cool downs. That doesn't sound right to us. So here, take Reciprocity and All Hands on Deck."
I'm curious as to whether the level of damage it puts out (over time, not necessarily just from Crits) is along the lines of what they intended, or if overall damage itself is also overperforming.
They nerfed Burns, which were far more manageable (due to them being a Hazard), and replaced them because they were overperforming. But now these do better - both in terms of raw damage and the way it's delivered (Burst vs DoT). Is that what they were going for?
This post is so hilarious because it's so true
"Embassy Plasma burns were altered because they were overperforming and not WAI. So here are Plasma Explosions instead."
Yeah but plasma burns didn't hurt PvP as much as be insta-gibbed randomly...plus did people plasma dope in PvP? I'd think not because reducing weapon power at the cost of something that can be purged could bite you if it didn't proc much.
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Exactly. The Plasma Burns in PVP were irrelevant because they could be cleared. No sane PVP'er would go into PVP without having a method to clear the various debuffs and hazards in STO. They CAN be useful with some skill. There were players that had ways on getting you to use your clearing abilities, wipe them off, then land all kinds of hazards on you. But that is harder to accomplish these days with various means of clearing debuffs without using a BOFF ability. The Explosions however are a different story. Surprised to find out that FBP doesn't work.