Think about the Caitian (and Ferasan); they're cats (traditionally they should have what, six or eight nipples, thus six or eight TRIBBLE?) - that wouldn't exactly look cool would it? Physiologically, there's no define reason why any species (other than Human) would have one pair of TRIBBLE, though obviously the species portrayed in the various shows have been done so by women with just the one set.
I would concur with you though; Saurian females by definition shouldn't have them, but then it's to distinguish between the two. Saurian are more humanoid than Gorn (stature, posture etc) so I guess they can just about get away with it. Not too sure a true Female Gorn could though.
Just hope Cryptic don't go overboard and start introducing female Tholian, and female Breen.
"Feline" and "reptilian" are mere classifications we give Terran animals. It's logical that since alien planets have had separate genesis events, their evolutionary pathways would be much more different. Except for Voth, of course. By definition, since Saurians DO have mammary glands, they indeed wouldn't be defined as reptiles, despite sharing other similarities with Terran reptiles. And who knows, maybe the primates on Cait are the ones who have 8 nipplages...
Anyway, as youve probably noticed, many of our older Klingon armor pieces are a bit cartoonish and/or oddly shaped, gravity-defying, and often over-sized. This was an attempt to make the Klingons look bulkier as they do in the shows. The problem is the underlying body in STO is/was usually still skinny to average in size. So the end result often looks like a skinny kid wearing oversized foam costume armor and an old man mask :P
heh, yup. that was always a bit confusing
after trying to make a klingon char (and giving up) I thought "what were they going for? like maybe they are just scrappy-tough little guys?"
in relation to alien models though, whatever the range of sizes will be for klingon, I'd hope that the aliens are still a wider range.
that's part of the fun of making an alien, making stuff undersize or oversize or a combination of both
Just a sidebar but I am curious how this will affect Fed Klingons. It would be weird if they don't get the same treatment although I can foresee that creating costume issues.
Just a sidebar but I am curious how this will affect Fed Klingons. It would be weird if they don't get the same treatment although I can foresee that creating costume issues.
You don't have access to the costumes fedside, though. So there shouldn't be any change, aside from maybe new hairstyles and such which I hope they will get as well.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Just a sidebar but I am curious how this will affect Fed Klingons. It would be weird if they don't get the same treatment although I can foresee that creating costume issues.
You don't have access to the costumes fedside, though. So there shouldn't be any change, aside from maybe new hairstyles and such which I hope they will get as well.
A lot of these changes seem slider based and like modifications to the base model. The costumes, yeah. I agree. Although given how often Worf dressed in Klingon gear, I could see it maybe SOME of the BASIC KDF options as a species unlock thing if the two costume styles are going to become more compatible and rely less on padding. I think that was always a hold-up on baldrics for Fed Klingons.
If I have one major piece of feedback for KDF Klingons (which this still doesn't really address) it's that baldrics look wrong to me going UNDER shoulderpads. I know this can't be helped perfectly but the workaround I'd propose is an additional shoulder piece that can be placed OVER the right shoulder pad with all of the baldric designs.
So the actual baldric would still go under the shoulderpad but we'd get a fake baldric segment that goes over the right shoulderpad, either as a separate segment or as alternate versions of the basic right shoulderpads with a dummy baldric flap running over them.
A lot of these changes seem slider based and like modifications to the base model. The costumes, yeah. I agree. Although given how often Worf dressed in Klingon gear, I could see it maybe SOME of the BASIC KDF options as a species unlock thing if the two costume styles are going to become more compatible and rely less on padding. I think that was always a hold-up on baldrics for Fed Klingons.
If only there was a way to distinguish Klingon costumes between the KDF organizational parts and traditional Klingon garb. *glances at costume designers*
If only there was a way to distinguish Klingon costumes between the KDF organizational parts and traditional Klingon garb. *glances at costume designers*
Agreed. Also, I would really like a KDF uniform guide in STO-verse. I noticed that some Klingon models seem to have been updated to reflect a brown-colored duty attire which seems inspired by what Worf wore in TNG - the bronze-brown-gold uniforms worn by the warriors on Bajor. Of course you can't copy those visuals as literally nothing they wear is available to players, but a kind of guide what the attire reflects would be a nice touch.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
As long as there is no change in the models of existing characters,
and we still have the option to make less bulky ones,
this is a good thing.
Many of us like our characters just fine as they are, even Klingon ones.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Ah ha! I remembered. The first one I think has been requested many, MANY times, but I am going to request it anyway.
Expanded color palette! PLEASE!!!
Next one is not exactly Klingon exclusive, but I am bringing it up because of the lack of KDF costume options compared to others.
Unified Costume Tab
All the costumes in one spot. If I want to combine my cocktail dress with some heavy armor I should be able to. I should be able to combine pieces from the Honor Guard, Dyson and Delta armor costumes to make the most kick a...butt armor of all!!
While we are at it can we make the Formal Wear made non-gender specifc, let the men have a dress if they so choose, and the women get to throw on a nice suit if they would like to.
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So, uh... did they ever do this? Is it still a "work in progress"? Or did they just kind of sweep it under the rug? I haven't really seen any differences yet, but then again, with all the broken things, i might just be overlooking it.
What's the status on the Revamp?
Also, is there anyword from crypticjoejing about when the playable Borg will be getting the full body skins? My assimilated Klingon wants to know.
Am I grateful for this? Nope, I am ecstatic!! At long last, the Klingon side of the house gets some love. Thank you, thank you, thank you! Now, if you would pleaaaaasssssseeeeee rework the wonky dialog options for Klingons, I would do cartwheels!! There is nothing so immersion breaking as a sweet, and touchy, feely Klingon. It's like those bloody Ewoks. For the love of God, please re-work the Klingon dialog options for the missions while you redo the rest. I'm begging you!
Not sure what the community or the developers will feel about this.
But how about have some contest or something with players able to submit their own design ideas for hair styles and such.
The reason i make this suggestion is that I play the game skyrim and i always remeber the incredible mods other players made for hair and other assets.
Not sure how easily something like this would work....but i just love all the attention to deatail those players did...and i know some of them play this game...also a number of other artists and such play this game as well...
Anywise its just a thought....oh and doing something like this might make changes take a bit longer...but might be more fun in the long run.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
Not sure what the community or the developers will feel about this.
But how about have some contest or something with players able to submit their own design ideas for hair styles and such.
The reason i make this suggestion is that I play the game skyrim and i always remeber the incredible mods other players made for hair and other assets.
Not sure how easily something like this would work....but i just love all the attention to deatail those players did...and i know some of them play this game...also a number of other artists and such play this game as well...
Anywise its just a thought....oh and doing something like this might make changes take a bit longer...but might be more fun in the long run.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
Not sure what the community or the developers will feel about this.
But how about have some contest or something with players able to submit their own design ideas for hair styles and such.
(...)
Won't happen ever again. Way back there was one contest for people to design the next Enterprise. LEgal and personal drama jumped off the scales so they pretty much eliminated all possiblities for fan-contributed content forever and all times
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
If @crypticjoejing or @callevista are hanging around this thread, I made a post in the art forums about Klingon hair, specifically the hair Klingon NPCs use but players can't.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
If @crypticjoejing or @callevista are hanging around this thread, I made a post in the art forums about Klingon hair, specifically the hair Klingon NPCs use but players can't.
Grethor will freeze over before they schedule something just for the KDF its their anthem.
I just got the Honor Guard Armor last night. It has some nice elements. Was a bit disappointed to see that those elements were not in the drop down lists among the more common attire. For example, I would like to use the Honor Guard boots, but not the rest of the outfit. Or maybe, I like the Honor Guard belt and buckle.
Also, early on, the Klingon dagger was mentioned as an item that would be available for appearance purposes. Would love to see that! What happened to it?
HA! And I thought we were gonna get revamped content.... But no we are going to some better character creation options and act like that's "A big deal" when, really, it isn't. I was hoping we would get an expanded KDF story-arc (or a revamp of the existing one) but nope..... "Yay! We get new shoes!"
HA! And I thought we were gonna get revamped content.... But no we are going to some better character creation options and act like that's "A big deal" when, really, it isn't. I was hoping we would get an expanded KDF story-arc (or a revamp of the existing one) but nope..... "Yay! We get new shoes!"
Oh the irony of your signature relating to your complaint
Seriously, Klingons were never able to create canon uniforms, we always had to arrange with low-poly rushjob costumes. Now they make them better, following the link some of them are even pretty close to canon costumes now - and that is stupid?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
HA! And I thought we were gonna get revamped content.... But no we are going to some better character creation options and act like that's "A big deal" when, really, it isn't. I was hoping we would get an expanded KDF story-arc (or a revamp of the existing one) but nope..... "Yay! We get new shoes!"
Oh the irony of your signature relating to your complaint
Seriously, Klingons were never able to create canon uniforms, we always had to arrange with low-poly rushjob costumes. Now they make them better, following the link some of them are even pretty close to canon costumes now - and that is stupid?
More character creation options (on it's own) as a "Big Revamp" is stupid. Now if they decided to add more Species, missions, unequivocal ships, etc etc along with a character creation revamp then it wouldn't be. It would be a complete package.
But...
I hope they add Humanoid head shape, Ridgeless/Smooth Forehead options to Klingons, so that we can make true Klingon Augments without having to resort to using the Alien option.
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The big question is, will this ever actually go live? I certainly hope so, my main is KDF and I enjoy that side alot, just wish the character looked better
I was wondering where this stood. They did make some changes which were great. One that sounded great was adding the option of having the Klingon dagger, dk'tagh, on the uniform. Was this project dropped?
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Also, Voth have very miniscule sexual dimorphism, last time I checked.
"Feline" and "reptilian" are mere classifications we give Terran animals. It's logical that since alien planets have had separate genesis events, their evolutionary pathways would be much more different. Except for Voth, of course. By definition, since Saurians DO have mammary glands, they indeed wouldn't be defined as reptiles, despite sharing other similarities with Terran reptiles. And who knows, maybe the primates on Cait are the ones who have 8 nipplages...
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heh, yup. that was always a bit confusing
after trying to make a klingon char (and giving up) I thought "what were they going for? like maybe they are just scrappy-tough little guys?"
in relation to alien models though, whatever the range of sizes will be for klingon, I'd hope that the aliens are still a wider range.
that's part of the fun of making an alien, making stuff undersize or oversize or a combination of both
You don't have access to the costumes fedside, though. So there shouldn't be any change, aside from maybe new hairstyles and such which I hope they will get as well.
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A lot of these changes seem slider based and like modifications to the base model. The costumes, yeah. I agree. Although given how often Worf dressed in Klingon gear, I could see it maybe SOME of the BASIC KDF options as a species unlock thing if the two costume styles are going to become more compatible and rely less on padding. I think that was always a hold-up on baldrics for Fed Klingons.
If I have one major piece of feedback for KDF Klingons (which this still doesn't really address) it's that baldrics look wrong to me going UNDER shoulderpads. I know this can't be helped perfectly but the workaround I'd propose is an additional shoulder piece that can be placed OVER the right shoulder pad with all of the baldric designs.
So the actual baldric would still go under the shoulderpad but we'd get a fake baldric segment that goes over the right shoulderpad, either as a separate segment or as alternate versions of the basic right shoulderpads with a dummy baldric flap running over them.
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Agreed. Also, I would really like a KDF uniform guide in STO-verse. I noticed that some Klingon models seem to have been updated to reflect a brown-colored duty attire which seems inspired by what Worf wore in TNG - the bronze-brown-gold uniforms worn by the warriors on Bajor. Of course you can't copy those visuals as literally nothing they wear is available to players, but a kind of guide what the attire reflects would be a nice touch.
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and we still have the option to make less bulky ones,
this is a good thing.
Many of us like our characters just fine as they are, even Klingon ones.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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While we are at it can we make the Formal Wear made non-gender specifc, let the men have a dress if they so choose, and the women get to throw on a nice suit if they would like to.
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What's the status on the Revamp?
Also, is there anyword from crypticjoejing about when the playable Borg will be getting the full body skins? My assimilated Klingon wants to know.
Not sure what the community or the developers will feel about this.
But how about have some contest or something with players able to submit their own design ideas for hair styles and such.
The reason i make this suggestion is that I play the game skyrim and i always remeber the incredible mods other players made for hair and other assets.
Not sure how easily something like this would work....but i just love all the attention to deatail those players did...and i know some of them play this game...also a number of other artists and such play this game as well...
Anywise its just a thought....oh and doing something like this might make changes take a bit longer...but might be more fun in the long run.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
=^_^=
Not sure what the community or the developers will feel about this.
But how about have some contest or something with players able to submit their own design ideas for hair styles and such.
The reason i make this suggestion is that I play the game skyrim and i always remeber the incredible mods other players made for hair and other assets.
Not sure how easily something like this would work....but i just love all the attention to deatail those players did...and i know some of them play this game...also a number of other artists and such play this game as well...
Anywise its just a thought....oh and doing something like this might make changes take a bit longer...but might be more fun in the long run.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
=^_^=
I support this suggestion. It's a cool coat. And long overdue.
Won't happen ever again. Way back there was one contest for people to design the next Enterprise. LEgal and personal drama jumped off the scales so they pretty much eliminated all possiblities for fan-contributed content forever and all times
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Grethor will freeze over before they schedule something just for the KDF its their anthem.
Also, early on, the Klingon dagger was mentioned as an item that would be available for appearance purposes. Would love to see that! What happened to it?
shorter + jewelry for the hair
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these hair cuts would be a great addition. i don't even understand why klingons in STO have dreadlocks
Oh the irony of your signature relating to your complaint
Seriously, Klingons were never able to create canon uniforms, we always had to arrange with low-poly rushjob costumes. Now they make them better, following the link some of them are even pretty close to canon costumes now - and that is stupid?
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More character creation options (on it's own) as a "Big Revamp" is stupid. Now if they decided to add more Species, missions, unequivocal ships, etc etc along with a character creation revamp then it wouldn't be. It would be a complete package.
But...
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