@crypticjoejing whilst all of these modifications are great, as already mentioned by @artan42 please don't forget about the hair. We don't need all the options posted above, but the Klingons (both genders) and Nausicaan (if you're working on them at all) are seriously limited when it comes to hair styles. I know stylists might not be a well paid job on Qo'nos, but we've got all these options that already exist in the game somewhere that are thus far underutilized because we can't use them - and it should be no secret that customization in this game (and others like it) go a long way to pleasing players.
References 1, 2, 5 & 8 (from above) already apply to Klingons. They'd be a good set to start with.
Another update that will probably come in around the pauldron & sash update is bulkier, stronger-looking default Klingon preset costumes in Character Creation. This gives a much better starting point on customizing your avatar. Yes, you still have access to all of the body sliders. No, it won't affect your current characters. Yes, you can still make skinny Klingons (using the sliders) if that's your thing.
Unlocking hair that works is on our radar of things to do. Thanks for going to the trouble of making the image, artan42.
New hairdos are less likely in the near future (in any substantial quantity) as hair is probably the most difficult thing to make for characters and ends up eating a ton of dev time.
Color palettes are a known issue, but as I've mentioned before on this and other threads, palettes have a lot of intertwined links that aren't easily solved. We want to expand the palettes, but it will take a while to dig in.
As far as the Klingons go, I'd almost just settle for them not all being 11 feet tall. I maxed the height slider on my Klingon, and Worf STILL towers at least a foot taller. I'm pretty sure Dorn isn't quite that tall.
Scale in this game is SO bad it's laughable.
Lol. I'm with you, colonelmarik. Hurts my brain, eyes, and heart when I see the size of some of the Klingon and Gorn. What's funny is Worf is still much smaller than many of the other NPC Klingons!
The size he's at now was a compromise to make him more sensibly sized without looking like a child compared to the other Klingons. On the radar as a topic at least. No decision on making any changes just yet.
Another update that will probably come in around the pauldron & sash update is bulkier, stronger-looking default Klingon preset costumes in Character Creation. This gives a much better starting point on customizing your avatar. Yes, you still have access to all of the body sliders. No, it won't affect your current characters. Yes, you can still make skinny Klingons (using the sliders) if that's your thing.
Unlocking hair that works is on our radar of things to do. Thanks for going to the trouble of making the image, artan42.
New hairdos are less likely in the near future (in any substantial quantity) as hair is probably the most difficult thing to make for characters and ends up eating a ton of dev time.
Firstly, I like the addition of more bulk for the Klingons, they always made a good choice of actors in the show to make the Klingons look less like people in costumes and more like aliens who have a different overall body to us. Seeing this ingame (especially on the female Klingons) is great.
Thanks, the hair is quite important to me as it's the one thing that stops all the Klingons from looking the same. I don't know how much work it is to make new ridge styles (quite a bit I'd imagine) but from what I can tell, unlocking a much wider array of hair options (all the options I listed should work with the default Klingon head shape) would make the KDF look less like the Attack of the Clones.
I'm also less concerned about new hair as there's quite a wide array already ingame, just faction or NPC locked. Most of the new Delta rising hair for canon characters for instance. I think we got Young Harry's and Old Tom's and the rest are still solely on the heads of NPCs.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Stockier Klingons look good! I'll have to buy another character slot (ugh, why didn't I do this yesterday when they sale was on?) and get the new defaults
As for heights, I recently got so sick of my characters with fairly average heights looking short next to NPCs that I decided to write off the height slider entirely and just scale them up to the point they looked "normal" in-game instead of very short. I've heard that the height slider's value isn't really accurate, anyway, since it doesn't account for changes to the body sliders?
I do hope there are more color options in everything KDF, Ships, Clothing, very little to pick from, My Orion lady likes Pink,
Hey, that is not the Federation uniform palette. Not even the Romulan palette is that large, but it does have nice pastel shades that the other factions lack. That's an off duty palette that everyone has access to--I know a few uniform pieces do use that palette, but it's definitely not the norm and makes an unfair comparison. The Fed uniform palette has a green range and better variety in blues over the KDF palette, but it's still limited compared to that off duty palette.
With that said, I'd love if more color ranges were added to the uniform palettes, but I don't really want to give up the existing shades. You couldn't just replace the uniform palettes with that off duty palette, for example, the colors just aren't the same even if there's more variety. KDF should get greens, both Fed and KDF should get purples, Romulans could use more vibrant shades while the others get pastel shades.
Male and female sash and male pauldron updates coming sooner than expected. We decided to push what we have so far. Female pauldrons have not been addressed yet.
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@crypticjoejing can we expect new cranial ridge patterns from the TV series, movies, and VCR actors in the future? I think the males have got a good selection. But the females could use some more.
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it was only half a month past expiration, and considering crypticjoejing himself necroed it a few months back as well as the thread itself still being VERY relevant...i don't see this one getting closed
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it was only half a month past expiration, and considering crypticjoejing himself necroed it a few months back as well as the thread itself still being VERY relevant...i don't see this one getting closed
Exactly. This is a thread started by a Dev about an ongoing improvement project. Still relevant.
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I noticed that the thread has usually been updated even after a year of no continuous replies. I followed @jodarkrider most latest thread. Creating a new thread would be considered trolling. And I hope you didn't just come here to tell me I am a necro. If you intended disrupt at you own amusement, then you have succeeded.
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Shame few people had to spoil it.
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it was only half a month past expiration, and considering crypticjoejing himself necroed it a few months back as well as the thread itself still being VERY relevant...i don't see this one getting closed
Exactly. This is a thread started by a Dev about an ongoing improvement project. Still relevant.
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@crypticjoejing can we expect new cranial ridge patterns from the TV series, movies, and VCR actors in the future? I think the males have got a good selection. But the females could use some more.
Back to the original query:
Yes, I would like to see some additional cranial ridge patterns as well. Also, and in the spirit of the TOS expansion and the 50th anniversary, I'd love to see Klingon Augment style heads for our playable Klingon captains and BOFFs.
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@crypticjoejing can we expect new cranial ridge patterns from the TV series, movies, and VCR actors in the future? I think the males have got a good selection. But the females could use some more.
Back to the original query:
Yes, I would like to see some additional cranial ridge patterns as well. Also, and in the spirit of the TOS expansion and the 50th anniversary, I'd love to see Klingon Augment style heads for our playable Klingon captains and BOFFs.
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Male and female sash and male pauldron updates coming sooner than expected. We decided to push what we have so far. Female pauldrons have not been addressed yet.
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References 1, 2, 5 & 8 (from above) already apply to Klingons. They'd be a good set to start with.
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THIS.
Before & after: https://imgur.com/PxlHA7p
To address a few of the comments:
Unlocking hair that works is on our radar of things to do. Thanks for going to the trouble of making the image, artan42.
New hairdos are less likely in the near future (in any substantial quantity) as hair is probably the most difficult thing to make for characters and ends up eating a ton of dev time.
Color palettes are a known issue, but as I've mentioned before on this and other threads, palettes have a lot of intertwined links that aren't easily solved. We want to expand the palettes, but it will take a while to dig in.
Lol. I'm with you, colonelmarik. Hurts my brain, eyes, and heart when I see the size of some of the Klingon and Gorn. What's funny is Worf is still much smaller than many of the other NPC Klingons!
The size he's at now was a compromise to make him more sensibly sized without looking like a child compared to the other Klingons. On the radar as a topic at least. No decision on making any changes just yet.
Firstly, I like the addition of more bulk for the Klingons, they always made a good choice of actors in the show to make the Klingons look less like people in costumes and more like aliens who have a different overall body to us. Seeing this ingame (especially on the female Klingons) is great.
Thanks, the hair is quite important to me as it's the one thing that stops all the Klingons from looking the same. I don't know how much work it is to make new ridge styles (quite a bit I'd imagine) but from what I can tell, unlocking a much wider array of hair options (all the options I listed should work with the default Klingon head shape) would make the KDF look less like the Attack of the Clones.
I'm also less concerned about new hair as there's quite a wide array already ingame, just faction or NPC locked. Most of the new Delta rising hair for canon characters for instance. I think we got Young Harry's and Old Tom's and the rest are still solely on the heads of NPCs.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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As for heights, I recently got so sick of my characters with fairly average heights looking short next to NPCs that I decided to write off the height slider entirely and just scale them up to the point they looked "normal" in-game instead of very short. I've heard that the height slider's value isn't really accurate, anyway, since it doesn't account for changes to the body sliders?
Hey, that is not the Federation uniform palette. Not even the Romulan palette is that large, but it does have nice pastel shades that the other factions lack. That's an off duty palette that everyone has access to--I know a few uniform pieces do use that palette, but it's definitely not the norm and makes an unfair comparison. The Fed uniform palette has a green range and better variety in blues over the KDF palette, but it's still limited compared to that off duty palette.
With that said, I'd love if more color ranges were added to the uniform palettes, but I don't really want to give up the existing shades. You couldn't just replace the uniform palettes with that off duty palette, for example, the colors just aren't the same even if there's more variety. KDF should get greens, both Fed and KDF should get purples, Romulans could use more vibrant shades while the others get pastel shades.
Very cool news...
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Edit: Thanks @baddmoonrizin and @shadowfang240 for explaining to these 'nice' people that they are exaggerating the situation. I hope they meant it as joke at my expense, otherwise I'd be seriously concerned with them acting like they are mods.
Shame few people had to spoil it.
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Back to the original query:
Yes, I would like to see some additional cranial ridge patterns as well. Also, and in the spirit of the TOS expansion and the 50th anniversary, I'd love to see Klingon Augment style heads for our playable Klingon captains and BOFFs.
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That be great idea for the anniversary. People are discussing TMP options as well here: http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/comment/12934552
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Wow. When you guys actually put that into a blog/ad copy call it "more than tripled the number of skin tones.
I read more and expected 3-5, not TWELVE new options
Another wow! Those looks SO MUCH BETTER. Clearly whatever time they are giving you is being put to good use