Joe's the leader of the solo-fleet Average Joe...the alpha fleet.
Joe#1, Joe#2, Joe#3 are three of Joe's alts that lead three lowbie solo-fleets...the beta fleets.
Joe#4-Joe#12 are nine more of Joe's alts that lead three lowbie solo-fleets...the gamma fleets.
Joe pumps resources into the gamma fleets first, since although the overall level of all the fleets is low and so the discount would be low, gamma would still have the highest discount allowing for them to be increased cheaper than the alpha or beta...increasing the overall level of the armada and the skillpoint increase received by the alpha fleet. Even though there's no easy shuffle, Joe can still shuffle his betas and gammas to build up the former gammas a bit to increase the skillpoint increase for the alpha. At some point, he could even rotate the alpha out to gamma status.
Hmm. On one hand could be nice. On the other this could also easily turn bad, multi-list access means more of those bank robbery threads, people using the sorta-spreadsheet thing to go iron-fisted, fleet tiers trying to pull rank, all generally an amplification of the worst aspects of fleet drama. Human nature is just human nature after all, and humans are inherently jerks.
I would tend to agree as well...very cautiously optimistic. If it aint broken...why break it?
This is definitely interesting news.
My Fed fleet is very small (like I'm the only one who's active most of the time) and over the years I've managed to get to T3 starbase, T3 Mine, T1 Embassy and a week or two away from T3 Spire. Now I guess it'd make sense to look for a larger fleet, who aren't comprised of people I wouldn't want to interact with, to 'take us under their wing' to help with the rest of the hurdles.
Edit: I just had the thought of what this is going to look like in chat... "Friendly, easy going beta looking for casual larger alpha".
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
From what I read and the Devs have replied to it sounds that each fleet keeps their own autonomy including leaders, members, and banks.
Just sounds like now you don't have to leave a fleet, join another, donate, leave and get re-invited to yours again.
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The solution to this is simple. Avoid fleets altogether. Much like guilds in other games, fleets have their own share of drama that could be detrimental to gameplay.
The solution to this is simple. Avoid fleets altogether. Much like guilds in other games, fleets have their own share of drama that could be detrimental to gameplay.
Fleets also have unique benefits to them that ignoring said benefits could be detrimental to gameplay.
This sounds very interesting and I can't wait to see how this works first hand. Now my stance is that even in an Armada each fleet leader should be allowed to run their fleet however they want. I think most Alpha fleet leaders will respect this. I am not too worried about it.
I would personally advise you to suck it up and join a Fed/KDF Armada. It may offend your roleplay sensibilities but is that really worths depriving your fleet members from the dilithium discounts/xp bonuses?
As a member of that particular fleet, I fully support @protogoth. No, not because she's the fleet's praetor, but because I fully agree with her. All my Romulan characters are in Romulan fleets, because they are Romulan. I didn't want to join a Fed or a KDF fleet that accepts Rommies. I wanted to be in a Rommie fleet. I'm disappointed we can't join our "sister" fleets in such an Armada, but I can understand the reasons.
What I don't want is to become a minor member of a Fed or KDF huge Armada. I can be a minor member of a Romulan armada, yes, but I hadn't made such choices up until now to abandon them. If the price is a slow progress of my fleet, so be it. All the reason for me to put more effort and resources into it.
It's fine of non-Roms don't care. But don't tell us we shouldn't care.
I'm also okay with the Romulan Republic being a fraction. If cross-faction armadas become a thing rather than an idea, we'd really just become one big faction, divided up into smaller fractions.
What if the ability to form cross-faction armadas were limited to RRF fleets (fleets which have an RRF character as their head)?
Which opens the gate to more mini-factions or fractions to join the alliance, or to see vassal states in the KDF go independant but still a part of the grand alliance. Similarly, we could see players become part of the Andorian Imperial Guard, Vulcan High Command, Orion Syndicate, Gorn Hegemoneoneneneminanemonae, Risian Hedony, Borg Cooperative, Ferengi Alliance, etc. etc.
It'd give Cryptic more reason to release those unused commbadges that were leaked to us years ago.
This is the only portion of the final two bits of your post that I see as "bad":
<< opens the gate to more mini-factions or fractions to join the alliance >>
and the only reason I see it as "bad" is because we need the KDF and RRF fleshed out to equity with the Feds before any other factions, half-factions, or whatever, are added.
What if the ability to form cross-faction armadas were limited to RRF fleets (fleets which have an RRF character as their head)?
Because then it's a limit. I think we should have less limits, not more. If there is going to be a push in STO's story to make an overall "Player" faction vs. an "Everybody else" faction, then I don't think it's a good idea to backpedal and impose more boundaries and rules.
I think freedom is more important than forcing others to live by an oppressive and arbitrary set of rules. But that's just my opinion.
This is the only portion of the final two bits of your post that I see as "bad":
<< opens the gate to more mini-factions or fractions to join the alliance >>
and the only reason I see it as "bad" is because we need the KDF and RRF fleshed out to equity with the Feds before any other factions, half-factions, or whatever, are added.
Yeah, I'm not of that opinion. I don't see why there should be an "us" or "them" option when Cryptic is able to work on many things at once. The Romulans still get updates every now and again despite Cryptic continually coming out with new things. It's not like one would be ignored forever and ever in favor of another.
There should be a pursuit of freedom and self-determination for multiple factions in STO. I don't like the idea of a few Romulan players being able to oppress other players who might want to play the Dominion or a member of the Ferengi Alliance or Orion Syndicate.
They should be free to start their own new lives away from a system of government they consider a failure. But, I understand where you're coming from, even if I don't agree.
I don't see why there should be an "us" or "them" option when Cryptic is able to work on many things at once. The Romulans still get updates every now and again despite Cryptic continually coming out with new things. It's not like one would be ignored forever and ever in favor of another.
I don't see why there should be an "us" or "them" option when Cryptic is able to work on many things at once. The Romulans still get updates every now and again despite Cryptic continually coming out with new things. It's not like one would be ignored forever and ever in favor of another.
Now you're being facetious, right?
No, I'm just not being overly cynical. Romulans still get attention, just not as much as the Federation. This isn't a trend that is going to stop anytime soon, and nothing is going to magically change Cryptic's mind about it, else they'd have done so already.
What I am seeing is Cryptic being more inclusive and allowing more freedom between the current three factions, breaking down the walls of not only sector space, but the socio-political walls that separate the Romulans, Federation, and KDF from one another.
If we stop focusing on our petty differences and come to realize all players are equal -- then I think there is a better opportunity for the Romulans to get more attention to paid to them.
Because then it isn't a Romulan issue anymore, it's a "Delta Alliance" issue, and with less limitations in place, it's easy for attention given to the Federation to bleed over into the Romulan and KDF side.
If we add more mini-factions to the Delta Alliance, then they are similarly treated equally, as they would share in the social circles of the Federation, KDF, or RR. Which in turn means more players. More options. More chances for cooperations. More chances to spread freedom and break down the walls the governments in Star Trek have built around themselves.
I don't see why there should be an "us" or "them" option when Cryptic is able to work on many things at once. The Romulans still get updates every now and again despite Cryptic continually coming out with new things. It's not like one would be ignored forever and ever in favor of another.
Now you're being facetious, right?
No, I'm just not being overly cynical. Romulans still get attention, just not as much as the Federation. This isn't a trend that is going to stop anytime soon, and nothing is going to magically change Cryptic's mind about it, else they'd have done so already.
What I am seeing is Cryptic being more inclusive and allowing more freedom between the current three factions, breaking down the walls of not only sector space, but the socio-political walls that separate the Romulans, Federation, and KDF from one another.
If we stop focusing on our petty differences and come to realize all players are equal -- then I think there is a better opportunity for the Romulans to get more attention to paid to them.
Because then it isn't a Romulan issue anymore, it's a "Delta Alliance" issue, and with less limitations in place, it's easy for attention given to the Federation to bleed over into the Romulan and KDF side.
If we add more mini-factions to the Delta Alliance, then they are similarly treated equally, as they would share in the social circles of the Federation, KDF, or RR. Which in turn means more players. More options. More chances for cooperations. More chances to spread freedom and break down the walls the governments in Star Trek have built around themselves.
I see this rather as another opportunity to show Cryptic how they can facilitate the transformation of the RRF into a full faction. They've said no to several things in the past and later changed their minds, so the fact that one of them said no to a full faction for RRF can also be reversed, if we stick together and give them a reason to do so. I've offered them several methods by which to facilitate giving us our own full faction, and this is another way of doing so. I'm looking at a much bigger picture than some seem to think I am.
I would personally advise you to suck it up and join a Fed/KDF Armada. It may offend your roleplay sensibilities but is that really worths depriving your fleet members from the dilithium discounts/xp bonuses?
As a member of that particular fleet, I fully support @protogoth. No, not because she's the fleet's praetor, but because I fully agree with her. All my Romulan characters are in Romulan fleets, because they are Romulan. I didn't want to join a Fed or a KDF fleet that accepts Rommies. I wanted to be in a Rommie fleet. I'm disappointed we can't join our "sister" fleets in such an Armada, but I can understand the reasons.
What I don't want is to become a minor member of a Fed or KDF huge Armada. I can be a minor member of a Romulan armada, yes, but I hadn't made such choices up until now to abandon them. If the price is a slow progress of my fleet, so be it. All the reason for me to put more effort and resources into it.
It's fine of non-Roms don't care. But don't tell us we shouldn't care.
We will not be assimilated! Resistance is NOT futile!
I see this rather as another opportunity to show Cryptic how they can facilitate the transformation of the RRF into a full faction. They've said no to several things in the past and later changed their minds, so the fact that one of them said no to a full faction for RRF can also be reversed, if we stick together and give them a reason to do so. I've offered them several methods by which to facilitate giving us our own full faction, and this is another way of doing so. I'm looking at a much bigger picture than some seem to think I am.
This is similar to how I look at it. It's lateral thinking. This is how I think Cryptic is approaching it (judging by the FE's and constant 3-packs of T6 ships when before it was usually Federation-preferred and a bone tossed to the RR and KDF every once in a while).
"If the RR and KDF aren't a full faction -- redefine full faction."
If you break down the limitations in place. If you break down the walls that force players into the mindset of "If they give attention to this faction, they won't give attention to mine.", and make players visibly see there is only one full faction, the player faction, then you can start to see how what benefits one fraction benefits the whole.
A Klingon, a Romulan, and a Human walk into a meeting. There's a box of donuts on the table. The Human takes all but one of the donuts for himself, looks at the Klingon and says, "That Romulan is trying to take your donut!"
And predictably, the Romulan looks at the Klingon as competition -- when the truth is much more obvious. Make everybody share -- and you will have far greater odds of seeing the Romulan Republic developed into a bigger faction, because then the Delta Alliance becomes a symbiosis. What affects one faction affects them all, for better or for worse.
Well I'm just an Veteran Operative in the Klingon Intelligence Fleet, but I've never experience any Drama from Klingon Intelligence leadership, they don't tell me how to play or any of that none silliness, in fact the Leadership has encouraged casual players, Roleplayers, Doffers, and Accolade Hunters to join, so I think our Fleet, which is one of the biggest in the KDF, would be a great one to parnter with.
I'm a Veteran Operative which I think is the highest rank one can get without being an active member of the leadership, so I admit I don't know how Klingon Intelligence plans on handling this issue, but if your fleet wishes to join the Klingon Intelligence Armada can ask @phyrexianhero I make no promises as I'm in not charge, but I'd be happy to contribute to smaller fleets. I am authorized to offer invitations to join or visit however Klingon Intelligence itself (the Fleet, not Armada).
As a fleet leader, in a fleet whose Roster size has necessitated a secondary fleet, and thus micromanaging migrating characters back and forth while maintaining their rank, this will certainly help streamline or partially eliminate that process.
I will say our Collective Fleets leadership teams really look forward to the launch of this.
It is unfortunate but understandable that KDF & Fed Fleets will be kept separate, as we have a KDF sibling fleet, 10 days away from finally getting the Tier 5 Shipyard, while out primary Fed fleet is complete.
This has all the makings of being an Epic improvement for player experience and to the fleet system as a whole. For well over a year I had been wishing we could purchase larger Roster Sizes even if it came out of my own pocket.
I cannot wait.
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A Klingon, a Romulan, and a Human walk into a meeting. There's a box of donuts on the table. The Human takes all but one of the donuts for himself, looks at the Klingon and says, "That Romulan is trying to take your donut!"
And predictably, the Romulan looks at the Klingon as competition -- when the truth is much more obvious. Make everybody share -- and you will have far greater odds of seeing the Romulan Republic developed into a bigger faction, because then the Delta Alliance becomes a symbiosis. What affects one faction affects them all, for better or for worse.
Usually, as far as players go, it's the case that the Klingon looks at the Romulan as competition. And yes, the truth is much more obvious: the FedBrats are the competition, the darling favorites who still get more stuff than either of the other factions, and more often than not, they get more stuff than both the KDF and RRF put together. This is why the KDF and RRF have such small numbers (granted, it's not the only reason, but ignoring it is sticking one's head in the sand, or up one's rear), and this is why the KDF and the RRF get less stuff, which, again, is that same old Circular Reasoning and Self-Fulfilling Prophecy that is outrageously and blatantly illogical.
As far as realism (in terms of in-universe behavior), the reaction/response to the doughnut analogy you've presented would be that the Klingon and the Romulan would be more likely to both pull out weapons and gut the Human, and then divide the doughnuts between themselves.
(Wow....100 notifications on this thread in my inbox. !?!?! I got to be more careful where I leave little stupid quips)
Sorry, I have not read through all this...but have thought about it for a while....
Doesn't this move the problem of "how to get Fleet Credits" from large fleets over to smaller ones???
Allowing a larger fleet come in to contribute to holdings will effectively block the smaller fleet's members from having access to fleet projects and gaining fleet credits, themselves. Right? Or is there a way in this system to manage this?
And once the small fleet's holdings are completed...where do the small fleets go to get Fleet Credits?
Who would want to "Armada-ize" with a small fleet that does not have the "deep pockets" of a larger membership?
Are we forever going to be building Solo fleets on Alts?
ALSO, as "nice" as it sounds for larger fleet's members to be able to gain access to Fleet Credits, is it really going to help those IN the larger fleets that need it? I mean, those that have missed contributing in the past because projects were filled too quickly. I really don't see that changing. And, isn't THIS part of the problem, too?
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As a member of a small fleet. I see the following happening. Join an armada, immediately all projects are filled. Queue up new ones as they finish and they fill up in a matter of minutes. I see this trend continue and the question comes to mind, how do small fleet members generate fleet credits with the large fleet members just dumping their vast resources into the smaller fleets? Other than the cumulative dilithium discount I don't see any of the benefits for small fleets NOT having more negatives. Just feels like another bone for large fleets with an "hey small fleets you can help large fleets by joining armadas."
As far as realism (in terms of in-universe behavior), the reaction/response to the doughnut analogy you've presented would be that the Klingon and the Romulan would be more likely to both pull out weapons and gut the Human, and then divide the doughnuts between themselves.
Until the Romulan and Klingon argue over how best to divide it. Then it's winner-takes-all-donuts.
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Joe's the leader of the solo-fleet Average Joe...the alpha fleet.
Joe#1, Joe#2, Joe#3 are three of Joe's alts that lead three lowbie solo-fleets...the beta fleets.
Joe#4-Joe#12 are nine more of Joe's alts that lead three lowbie solo-fleets...the gamma fleets.
Joe pumps resources into the gamma fleets first, since although the overall level of all the fleets is low and so the discount would be low, gamma would still have the highest discount allowing for them to be increased cheaper than the alpha or beta...increasing the overall level of the armada and the skillpoint increase received by the alpha fleet. Even though there's no easy shuffle, Joe can still shuffle his betas and gammas to build up the former gammas a bit to increase the skillpoint increase for the alpha. At some point, he could even rotate the alpha out to gamma status.
I would tend to agree as well...very cautiously optimistic. If it aint broken...why break it?
My Fed fleet is very small (like I'm the only one who's active most of the time) and over the years I've managed to get to T3 starbase, T3 Mine, T1 Embassy and a week or two away from T3 Spire. Now I guess it'd make sense to look for a larger fleet, who aren't comprised of people I wouldn't want to interact with, to 'take us under their wing' to help with the rest of the hurdles.
Edit: I just had the thought of what this is going to look like in chat... "Friendly, easy going beta looking for casual larger alpha".
Just sounds like now you don't have to leave a fleet, join another, donate, leave and get re-invited to yours again.
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Fleets also have unique benefits to them that ignoring said benefits could be detrimental to gameplay.
As a member of that particular fleet, I fully support @protogoth. No, not because she's the fleet's praetor, but because I fully agree with her. All my Romulan characters are in Romulan fleets, because they are Romulan. I didn't want to join a Fed or a KDF fleet that accepts Rommies. I wanted to be in a Rommie fleet. I'm disappointed we can't join our "sister" fleets in such an Armada, but I can understand the reasons.
What I don't want is to become a minor member of a Fed or KDF huge Armada. I can be a minor member of a Romulan armada, yes, but I hadn't made such choices up until now to abandon them. If the price is a slow progress of my fleet, so be it. All the reason for me to put more effort and resources into it.
It's fine of non-Roms don't care. But don't tell us we shouldn't care.
Because, you know. 50:1 vs LOL.
What if the ability to form cross-faction armadas were limited to RRF fleets (fleets which have an RRF character as their head)?
This is the only portion of the final two bits of your post that I see as "bad":
<< opens the gate to more mini-factions or fractions to join the alliance >>
and the only reason I see it as "bad" is because we need the KDF and RRF fleshed out to equity with the Feds before any other factions, half-factions, or whatever, are added.
Because then it's a limit. I think we should have less limits, not more. If there is going to be a push in STO's story to make an overall "Player" faction vs. an "Everybody else" faction, then I don't think it's a good idea to backpedal and impose more boundaries and rules.
I think freedom is more important than forcing others to live by an oppressive and arbitrary set of rules. But that's just my opinion.
Yeah, I'm not of that opinion. I don't see why there should be an "us" or "them" option when Cryptic is able to work on many things at once. The Romulans still get updates every now and again despite Cryptic continually coming out with new things. It's not like one would be ignored forever and ever in favor of another.
There should be a pursuit of freedom and self-determination for multiple factions in STO. I don't like the idea of a few Romulan players being able to oppress other players who might want to play the Dominion or a member of the Ferengi Alliance or Orion Syndicate.
They should be free to start their own new lives away from a system of government they consider a failure. But, I understand where you're coming from, even if I don't agree.
Now you're being facetious, right?
Gesundheit.
No, I'm just not being overly cynical. Romulans still get attention, just not as much as the Federation. This isn't a trend that is going to stop anytime soon, and nothing is going to magically change Cryptic's mind about it, else they'd have done so already.
What I am seeing is Cryptic being more inclusive and allowing more freedom between the current three factions, breaking down the walls of not only sector space, but the socio-political walls that separate the Romulans, Federation, and KDF from one another.
If we stop focusing on our petty differences and come to realize all players are equal -- then I think there is a better opportunity for the Romulans to get more attention to paid to them.
Because then it isn't a Romulan issue anymore, it's a "Delta Alliance" issue, and with less limitations in place, it's easy for attention given to the Federation to bleed over into the Romulan and KDF side.
If we add more mini-factions to the Delta Alliance, then they are similarly treated equally, as they would share in the social circles of the Federation, KDF, or RR. Which in turn means more players. More options. More chances for cooperations. More chances to spread freedom and break down the walls the governments in Star Trek have built around themselves.
I see this rather as another opportunity to show Cryptic how they can facilitate the transformation of the RRF into a full faction. They've said no to several things in the past and later changed their minds, so the fact that one of them said no to a full faction for RRF can also be reversed, if we stick together and give them a reason to do so. I've offered them several methods by which to facilitate giving us our own full faction, and this is another way of doing so. I'm looking at a much bigger picture than some seem to think I am.
We will not be assimilated! Resistance is NOT futile!
This is similar to how I look at it. It's lateral thinking. This is how I think Cryptic is approaching it (judging by the FE's and constant 3-packs of T6 ships when before it was usually Federation-preferred and a bone tossed to the RR and KDF every once in a while).
"If the RR and KDF aren't a full faction -- redefine full faction."
If you break down the limitations in place. If you break down the walls that force players into the mindset of "If they give attention to this faction, they won't give attention to mine.", and make players visibly see there is only one full faction, the player faction, then you can start to see how what benefits one fraction benefits the whole.
A Klingon, a Romulan, and a Human walk into a meeting. There's a box of donuts on the table. The Human takes all but one of the donuts for himself, looks at the Klingon and says, "That Romulan is trying to take your donut!"
And predictably, the Romulan looks at the Klingon as competition -- when the truth is much more obvious. Make everybody share -- and you will have far greater odds of seeing the Romulan Republic developed into a bigger faction, because then the Delta Alliance becomes a symbiosis. What affects one faction affects them all, for better or for worse.
I'm a Veteran Operative which I think is the highest rank one can get without being an active member of the leadership, so I admit I don't know how Klingon Intelligence plans on handling this issue, but if your fleet wishes to join the Klingon Intelligence Armada can ask @phyrexianhero I make no promises as I'm in not charge, but I'd be happy to contribute to smaller fleets. I am authorized to offer invitations to join or visit however Klingon Intelligence itself (the Fleet, not Armada).
I will say our Collective Fleets leadership teams really look forward to the launch of this.
It is unfortunate but understandable that KDF & Fed Fleets will be kept separate, as we have a KDF sibling fleet, 10 days away from finally getting the Tier 5 Shipyard, while out primary Fed fleet is complete.
This has all the makings of being an Epic improvement for player experience and to the fleet system as a whole. For well over a year I had been wishing we could purchase larger Roster Sizes even if it came out of my own pocket.
I cannot wait.
Usually, as far as players go, it's the case that the Klingon looks at the Romulan as competition. And yes, the truth is much more obvious: the FedBrats are the competition, the darling favorites who still get more stuff than either of the other factions, and more often than not, they get more stuff than both the KDF and RRF put together. This is why the KDF and RRF have such small numbers (granted, it's not the only reason, but ignoring it is sticking one's head in the sand, or up one's rear), and this is why the KDF and the RRF get less stuff, which, again, is that same old Circular Reasoning and Self-Fulfilling Prophecy that is outrageously and blatantly illogical.
As far as realism (in terms of in-universe behavior), the reaction/response to the doughnut analogy you've presented would be that the Klingon and the Romulan would be more likely to both pull out weapons and gut the Human, and then divide the doughnuts between themselves.
Sorry, I have not read through all this...but have thought about it for a while....
Doesn't this move the problem of "how to get Fleet Credits" from large fleets over to smaller ones???
Allowing a larger fleet come in to contribute to holdings will effectively block the smaller fleet's members from having access to fleet projects and gaining fleet credits, themselves. Right? Or is there a way in this system to manage this?
And once the small fleet's holdings are completed...where do the small fleets go to get Fleet Credits?
Who would want to "Armada-ize" with a small fleet that does not have the "deep pockets" of a larger membership?
Are we forever going to be building Solo fleets on Alts?
ALSO, as "nice" as it sounds for larger fleet's members to be able to gain access to Fleet Credits, is it really going to help those IN the larger fleets that need it? I mean, those that have missed contributing in the past because projects were filled too quickly. I really don't see that changing. And, isn't THIS part of the problem, too?
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
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Until the Romulan and Klingon argue over how best to divide it. Then it's winner-takes-all-donuts.
Wouldn't it be better to form all such kinds of thoughts once all the full information is received???
Just my thought!
It's never too early to jump to extreme conclusions!
Away with you and your logical ideals. :P
Not everything being said here is speculation. Some of us are making suggestions and arguing for those suggestions.