I say... Too many speculations based on non-released into yet....
Wouldn't it be better to form all such kinds of thoughts once all the full information is received???
Just my thought!
Not everything being said here is speculation. Some of us are making suggestions and arguing for those suggestions.
nowhere did I say... "ALL" replies were speculations... I just simply stated that there were too many, and it would be best till official info was released on it.... which it has been... Tribble is already running the version with it!
I say... Too many speculations based on non-released into yet....
Wouldn't it be better to form all such kinds of thoughts once all the full information is received???
Just my thought!
Not everything being said here is speculation. Some of us are making suggestions and arguing for those suggestions.
nowhere did I say... "ALL" replies were speculations... I just simply stated that there were too many, and it would be best till official info was released on it.... which it has been... Tribble is already running the version with it!
TO someone in a test Fleet on Tribble....please check to see if there is a way to limit how much an Upper Tier fleet can contribute to a Lower Tier fleet's project. You know, so folks in the Lower Tier fleet have a chance to contribute?
Or is it a free-for-all where all can contribute any amount the minute the project is slotted....and the greed takes over?
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
"There are a number of reasons why the combining of Fleets into an Armada is a boon to both ends of the population spectrum:
A larger community
Larger fleets can contribute to their beta or gamma fleets
All get bonuses – skill point bonus and dilithium discounts are based on the combined level of all fleets in the Armada and where each sits within the hierarchy. Gammas get the largest dilithium discount as they need it the most. Conversely, they get a smaller skillpoint bonus. Alphas earn smaller dilithium discounts, but get a greater skillpoint bonus. Mid-tier betas get a balance of both."
Alpha fleets can contribute to Beta and Gamma fleets, Beta fleets may be able to contribute to their Gamma fleets. However if I am correct on their wording, Gamma fleets cannot contribute to their Beta or Alpha fleets, and Beta fleets cannot contribute to their Alpha fleets.
vegeta brings up a good point. While this can be a benefit to smaller fleets, the possibility of some of the larger fleets basically "Taking over" the smaller fleets for their benefit or imposing "Rules" for maintaining membership in their Armada exists.
We still gotta consider Fleet Atomony, as there are hardcore fleets, RP fleets, and casual fleets out there. How would a hardcore fleet leading an Armada deal with an RP or casual fleet? I can see Casuals not imposing anything on other fleets in the Armada, but will that work both ways?
A big part of this will be how free fleets are to leave armadas. The harder it is to leave the more the large fleet can bully the little one. If it is as simple as personal membership in a fleet then bullying is less of an issue as the smaller fleet can pack up and move elsewhere.
Please, Borticus, look seriously into overcoming the technical hurdles. As many others in this thread have noted, a lot of Fed fleets have KDF "siblings" that would benefit greatly from this system.
Please, Borticus, look seriously into overcoming the technical hurdles. As many others in this thread have noted, a lot of Fed fleets have KDF "siblings" that would benefit greatly from this system.
to quote Bort
"The Armada System will not allow for cross-faction organizations when it launches.
We plan to spend some time later on exploring whether or not doing so would be technically feasible, and what repercussions it might entail."
I wonder if several individual Alt fleets could join up to form an armada?
Will it be possible for 5 players who have fleets just for their main characters and their alts be able to join together?
And if so, is there any real advantage in doing so?
I play the game for fun and I'm usually a chits & giggles kinda guy.
Even though I consider myself a casual player, some days I will play for 8 or 9 hours.
I've never joined a preexisting fleet with any of my toons because of exactly that reason.
I run my TRIBBLES GALORE Fleet in a pretty lackadaisical fashion and have never even thought about inviting any other players to join me.
But I think it might be interesting to join together with others who have a similar attitude toward the game but want to keep their Fleet storage to themselves.
hmmmnnn...
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
vegeta brings up a good point. While this can be a benefit to smaller fleets, the possibility of some of the larger fleets basically "Taking over" the smaller fleets for their benefit or imposing "Rules" for maintaining membership in their Armada exists.
We still gotta consider Fleet Atomony, as there are hardcore fleets, RP fleets, and casual fleets out there. How would a hardcore fleet leading an Armada deal with an RP or casual fleet? I can see Casuals not imposing anything on other fleets in the Armada, but will that work both ways?
A big part of this will be how free fleets are to leave armadas. The harder it is to leave the more the large fleet can bully the little one. If it is as simple as personal membership in a fleet then bullying is less of an issue as the smaller fleet can pack up and move elsewhere.
Everyone is talking about how the big fleet might "bully" their smaller fleets. From what I hear the Beta fleets can leave any time and they take their Gamma fleets under them with them.
I also see the potential for smaller fleets to abuse the contributing power of larger fleets and then just splitting. "Peace thanks for the free help now we're gonna be alphas!"
So the way I see it, it can go both ways...
I see this as part of a great opportunity for online trust and community in gaming. But I can also already see threads being locked by Devs by naming/shaming/blacklisting fleets that are "abusive" or what other fleets might say isn't fair gaming.
Fleet Admiral Thomas Winston James a.k.a. The Grayfox Fleet Leader of:
Liberty Task Force/Liberty Honor Guard
Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
I agree with your point of view. My fleet was discussing this today, and our discussion was more along the lines of, "sweet we don't have to jump fleets to earn Fleet Credits." We would keep our Beta fleets happy just for the access to their projects.
1 and only 1 important question here: Since all the factions are unified (more-or-less) will the Armada System be cross-faction?
No.
Borticus has already been quoted in this thread as saying such.
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
I also see the potential for smaller fleets to abuse the contributing power of larger fleets and then just splitting. "Peace thanks for the free help now we're gonna be alphas!"
Well, there may not be a choice for any fleet, you will want them to move on once their holdings are completed. Otherwise, you will be in the same situation as being completed with all your holdings.
Once the fleet holdings are built out on the "Beta" and "Gamma" fleets.....your "Alpha" fleet will, potentially, need more "Beta" and "Gammas" that have incomplete projects so the membership can continue to make Fleet Credits.
Even though you will lose XP bonuses and DL discounts, you will lose the only source for Fleet Credits, too. And they have not devised another way to make up the loss of projects.
I really don't see Armadas resolve the actual problem, entirely...it moves it.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Well, there may not be a choice for any fleet, you will want them to move on once their holdings are completed.
Though after re-reading this I have to say it does sound rather outlandish. I have my doubts there is any fleet left with enough active membership and resources that can complete 13 other fleet's holdings.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Well, there may not be a choice for any fleet, you will want them to move on once their holdings are completed.
Though after re-reading this I have to say it does sound rather outlandish. I have my doubts there is any fleet left with enough active membership and resources that can complete 13 other fleet's holdings.
Here are some quick notes after messing around with the system
1. Yes, you can block Armada Invites like you would Fleet invites
2. Yes, Beta/Gamma fleets can donate to Alpha fleets
3. Yes, Alpha fleets can donate to Beta/Gamma Fleets
4. Yes, there are options to block single holdings or all holdings all together
5. Yes, there are options to block incoming/outgoing specific items donated i.e; Dilithium, DOffs, Commodities, Fleet Marks the whole shamango
6. When creating an Armada a new chat channel is auto created and available to all fleets in the Armada.
7. Yes, there is an options to "Kick" a fleet from the Armada. (although im not sure if its sub-fleets will go with it as-well)
8. Yes, there is an option to "Leave" the Armada.
On the note of the Channel (armada)
1. It is auto created upon joining an Armada
2. (Not sure if it is removed when leaving an Armada)
3. It is like "Local - Fleet - Zone" channels not a Private channel
This is all I have so far, as I was not able to get more fleets into the quick Armada that I made...
So far... all the concerns that I've seen in this thread have been address... (although I might'of overlooked as it was only a quick test)
Here are some of the concerns that have been addressed:
1. [X] - Block Request to Armada
2. [X] - Allow certain areas to be accessible in each holding
3. [X] - Block all contributions going in and out
4. pending...
Concerns I have so far
1. Holding UI when donating to another fleet via the Armada System is relevantly super compact/hard to navigate and confusing?!?... hope this get a face lift-up soon.
2. Out going invites to another fleet should be able to be Cancelled by the fleet sending it (no option for that)
Hope this alleviated some of the mayor concerns while giving you a quick inside look of the Armada System. (sorry no pictures yet)
BTW yes you can copy this and reproduce it else were for confirming or giving your fleets news about the Armada System.
Our two fleets (one FED and one KDF, both are casuals from a sci-fi model building site, starshipmodeler.com) are looking at about 20 members each and most of those are alts from the 3-5 active members. I agree with concerns expressed above, and eagerly await the responses.
At the same time, I would like to feel as if there were larger fleets out there who feel they could adopt us, and not make us feel as if we were "swearing fealty" in some negative connotation. Our FED fleet is T1+ in all holdings (except of course, the new Krenim one) but the KDF fleet is just starting out...
CM
"Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure science." - Edwin Hubble
Our two fleets (one FED and one KDF, both are casuals from a sci-fi model building site, starshipmodeler.com) are looking at about 20 members each and most of those are alts from the 3-5 active members. I agree with concerns expressed above, and eagerly await the responses.
At the same time, I would like to feel as if there were larger fleets out there who feel they could adopt us, and not make us feel as if we were "swearing fealty" in some negative connotation. Our FED fleet is T1+ in all holdings (except of course, the new Krenim one) but the KDF fleet is just starting out...
CM
some of those concerns are addressed in my reply above yours btw ... you have the option to leave an Armada if its not working out, penalty free..
I wonder how they'll expand the Armada features in the future, Armada Superholdings, say each fleet within the Armada is required to build a compenent within the Armada Superholding.
I wonder how they'll expand the Armada features in the future, Armada Superholdings, say each fleet within the Armada is required to build a compenent within the Armada Superholding.
Maybe T6 Armada Ships.
The options are now limitless... It's a really great system...
6. When creating an Armada a new chat channel is auto created and available to all fleets in the Armada.
...
On the note of the Channel (armada)
1. It is auto created upon joining an Armada
2. (Not sure if it is removed when leaving an Armada)
3. It is like "Local - Fleet - Zone" channels not a Private channel
Since they are looking at built-in channels, maybe they can fix an old bug with the chat system that affects all of Cryptic's games. Users can join but not leave channels with the same name as a built-in channel. As far as I can tell, the check is case-insensitive. For the "trade" channel, there is a workaround: install CO and leave the "trade" channel from there. There is no workaround for other built-in channels like the "Team" channel or "MATCH" channel.
So more options to contribute for large fleets and some small bonus on XP and dilithium costs. That's all? That's the whole functionality of the armada system? No actual gameplay like joint attacks or something like that? This will be exciting for a week at most.
So more options to contribute for large fleets and some small bonus on XP and dilithium costs. That's all? That's the whole functionality of the armada system? No actual gameplay like joint attacks or something like that? This will be exciting for a week at most.
The system was created to help out small fleets. Keep in mind that it just only hit tribble and its in WIP. The devs ( Al Rivera) have also mentioned that this is only the beginning and will expand past 2016. So don't give up just yet.
So more options to contribute for large fleets and some small bonus on XP and dilithium costs. That's all? That's the whole functionality of the armada system? No actual gameplay like joint attacks or something like that? This will be exciting for a week at most.
Well I just hope they don't turn this into Eve Online 2...don't think that's what the community wants or needs.
Fleet Admiral Thomas Winston James a.k.a. The Grayfox Fleet Leader of:
Liberty Task Force/Liberty Honor Guard
Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
Liking this new system so far. You can go all directions with donations... which is an excellent benefit for Armadizing. Opions to restrict donations, an Armada channel... etc. Good stuff!
-AoP- Warrior's Blood (KDF Armada) / -AoP- Qu' raD qulbo'Degh / -AoP- ProjectPhoenix Join Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010
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nowhere did I say... "ALL" replies were speculations... I just simply stated that there were too many, and it would be best till official info was released on it.... which it has been... Tribble is already running the version with it!
nowhere did I say... "ALL" replies were speculations... I just simply stated that there were too many, and it would be best till official info was released on it.... which it has been... Tribble is already running the version with it!
TO someone in a test Fleet on Tribble....please check to see if there is a way to limit how much an Upper Tier fleet can contribute to a Lower Tier fleet's project. You know, so folks in the Lower Tier fleet have a chance to contribute?
Or is it a free-for-all where all can contribute any amount the minute the project is slotted....and the greed takes over?
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
"There are a number of reasons why the combining of Fleets into an Armada is a boon to both ends of the population spectrum:
A larger community
Larger fleets can contribute to their beta or gamma fleets
All get bonuses – skill point bonus and dilithium discounts are based on the combined level of all fleets in the Armada and where each sits within the hierarchy. Gammas get the largest dilithium discount as they need it the most. Conversely, they get a smaller skillpoint bonus. Alphas earn smaller dilithium discounts, but get a greater skillpoint bonus. Mid-tier betas get a balance of both."
Alpha fleets can contribute to Beta and Gamma fleets, Beta fleets may be able to contribute to their Gamma fleets. However if I am correct on their wording, Gamma fleets cannot contribute to their Beta or Alpha fleets, and Beta fleets cannot contribute to their Alpha fleets.
We come in peace, SHOOT TO KILL!
A big part of this will be how free fleets are to leave armadas. The harder it is to leave the more the large fleet can bully the little one. If it is as simple as personal membership in a fleet then bullying is less of an issue as the smaller fleet can pack up and move elsewhere.
Also the added recruiting messages in zone!!!
I already know one small X fleet I will not ally with!!
would that be "The 1st Fleet"???? wait... nvm thats not a small fleet... :brian TRIBBLE:
to quote Bort
Will it be possible for 5 players who have fleets just for their main characters and their alts be able to join together?
And if so, is there any real advantage in doing so?
I play the game for fun and I'm usually a chits & giggles kinda guy.
Even though I consider myself a casual player, some days I will play for 8 or 9 hours.
I've never joined a preexisting fleet with any of my toons because of exactly that reason.
I run my TRIBBLES GALORE Fleet in a pretty lackadaisical fashion and have never even thought about inviting any other players to join me.
But I think it might be interesting to join together with others who have a similar attitude toward the game but want to keep their Fleet storage to themselves.
hmmmnnn...
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Everyone is talking about how the big fleet might "bully" their smaller fleets. From what I hear the Beta fleets can leave any time and they take their Gamma fleets under them with them.
I also see the potential for smaller fleets to abuse the contributing power of larger fleets and then just splitting. "Peace thanks for the free help now we're gonna be alphas!"
So the way I see it, it can go both ways...
I see this as part of a great opportunity for online trust and community in gaming. But I can also already see threads being locked by Devs by naming/shaming/blacklisting fleets that are "abusive" or what other fleets might say isn't fair gaming.
Fleet Leader of:
Liberty Task Force/Liberty Honor Guard
Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians
U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
Game Handle: Grayfox@GrayfoxJames
Website: https://www.libertytaskforce.com
Armada (STOFA Member Fleet): https://www.libertytaskforce.com/stofa
Discord: https://discord.gg/bGp9N7z
Twitter: STOFA@LTFGrayfox
Email: CSDynamix@Hotmail.com
I agree with your point of view. My fleet was discussing this today, and our discussion was more along the lines of, "sweet we don't have to jump fleets to earn Fleet Credits." We would keep our Beta fleets happy just for the access to their projects.
No.
Borticus has already been quoted in this thread as saying such.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Well, there may not be a choice for any fleet, you will want them to move on once their holdings are completed. Otherwise, you will be in the same situation as being completed with all your holdings.
Once the fleet holdings are built out on the "Beta" and "Gamma" fleets.....your "Alpha" fleet will, potentially, need more "Beta" and "Gammas" that have incomplete projects so the membership can continue to make Fleet Credits.
Even though you will lose XP bonuses and DL discounts, you will lose the only source for Fleet Credits, too. And they have not devised another way to make up the loss of projects.
I really don't see Armadas resolve the actual problem, entirely...it moves it.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Join Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010
Though after re-reading this I have to say it does sound rather outlandish. I have my doubts there is any fleet left with enough active membership and resources that can complete 13 other fleet's holdings.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
1. Yes, you can block Armada Invites like you would Fleet invites
2. Yes, Beta/Gamma fleets can donate to Alpha fleets
3. Yes, Alpha fleets can donate to Beta/Gamma Fleets
4. Yes, there are options to block single holdings or all holdings all together
5. Yes, there are options to block incoming/outgoing specific items donated i.e; Dilithium, DOffs, Commodities, Fleet Marks the whole shamango
6. When creating an Armada a new chat channel is auto created and available to all fleets in the Armada.
7. Yes, there is an options to "Kick" a fleet from the Armada. (although im not sure if its sub-fleets will go with it as-well)
8. Yes, there is an option to "Leave" the Armada.
On the note of the Channel (armada)
1. It is auto created upon joining an Armada
2. (Not sure if it is removed when leaving an Armada)
3. It is like "Local - Fleet - Zone" channels not a Private channel
This is all I have so far, as I was not able to get more fleets into the quick Armada that I made...
So far... all the concerns that I've seen in this thread have been address... (although I might'of overlooked as it was only a quick test)
Here are some of the concerns that have been addressed:
1. [X] - Block Request to Armada
2. [X] - Allow certain areas to be accessible in each holding
3. [X] - Block all contributions going in and out
4. pending...
Concerns I have so far
1. Holding UI when donating to another fleet via the Armada System is relevantly super compact/hard to navigate and confusing?!?... hope this get a face lift-up soon.
2. Out going invites to another fleet should be able to be Cancelled by the fleet sending it (no option for that)
Hope this alleviated some of the mayor concerns while giving you a quick inside look of the Armada System. (sorry no pictures yet)
BTW yes you can copy this and reproduce it else were for confirming or giving your fleets news about the Armada System.
Cheers and see you around Captains!
At the same time, I would like to feel as if there were larger fleets out there who feel they could adopt us, and not make us feel as if we were "swearing fealty" in some negative connotation. Our FED fleet is T1+ in all holdings (except of course, the new Krenim one) but the KDF fleet is just starting out...
CM
some of those concerns are addressed in my reply above yours
Maybe T6 Armada Ships.
The options are now limitless... It's a really great system...
Since they are looking at built-in channels, maybe they can fix an old bug with the chat system that affects all of Cryptic's games. Users can join but not leave channels with the same name as a built-in channel. As far as I can tell, the check is case-insensitive. For the "trade" channel, there is a workaround: install CO and leave the "trade" channel from there. There is no workaround for other built-in channels like the "Team" channel or "MATCH" channel.
Reports from STO:
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1159273/unable-to-leave-team-channel
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1136893/chat-channels-conflict
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1144031/cant-leave-trade-chat
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1141877/i-cannot-leave-a-channel
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1147727/cant-leave-a-chat-channel
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1147973/sticked-chat-channel-trade-from-champion-online
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1160399/cannot-leave-from-chat-channel
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1160620/private-channels-tab
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1161405/trade-channel-stuck-and-cant-be-removed
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1166307/cannot-leave-trade-channel
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1171511/cant-leave-chat-channel
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1181898/cannot-leave-a-chat-channel
Reports from Neverwinter:
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/518913/new-official-trade-channel-vs-old-player-made-trade-channel
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/524158/cant-leave-custom-channel
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/528935/chat-cant-leave-trade-channel-custom
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/533965/cannot-leave-custom-channel
Thank you!
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
The system was created to help out small fleets. Keep in mind that it just only hit tribble and its in WIP. The devs ( Al Rivera) have also mentioned that this is only the beginning and will expand past 2016. So don't give up just yet.
Well I just hope they don't turn this into Eve Online 2...don't think that's what the community wants or needs.
Fleet Leader of:
Liberty Task Force/Liberty Honor Guard
Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians
U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
Game Handle: Grayfox@GrayfoxJames
Website: https://www.libertytaskforce.com
Armada (STOFA Member Fleet): https://www.libertytaskforce.com/stofa
Discord: https://discord.gg/bGp9N7z
Twitter: STOFA@LTFGrayfox
Email: CSDynamix@Hotmail.com
Join Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010
I will update it there so the information is visable and does not get lost....