With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
This is messed up cryptic this is how you thank your players that have stuck with you all this time and have been active in this game and grind the hell out of the stupid event just to turn around and make the ships that they have already earned into trash when you added T6 and now that was not good enough kick in the stomach you are going to give us another kick below the belt and make the leftover pearls and make them worthless and give them trash so you can say it is fair trade BS Then Cryptic turns around and says that way it is fair for everyone how is that fair for the person like myself that has 11+ Admirals who worked like a dog and grinded my days away to get what I have compared to the player that just started last month and has one 1 captain how does this make that fair If you are going to use that type of logic then you should have wiped out all the charters from the server before you started the delta event and made everyone start from scratch
Personally with this being the case I am not going to do the summer event any more on any of my charterers or on any of my accounts again if you are going to reset the event each and every year .We have to grind ourselves to death it is not worth it especially just so you can turn around and release a T6U or a T7 ship and make everything we worked for turn into garbage again
All FACTIONS ALL RANK SHOULD BOYCOTT THE SUMMER EVENT and everyone should put a post up stating that they are Boycotting the summer event if they are going to and want to send a message to cryptic because what good is a event if no one shows up for it
I agree with him
im not going to it if this goes ahead....
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wanted to beat the Delta Meme n00bs LOL
Join Date a player made up is NOT correct!
Maybe work in Warp Burst Capacitor to start it off?
Maybe with Singularity Jump?
Forgetting about Subspace Beacon and going with Form Up or Subspace Interception?
With Form Up it might be fun, cause of also having access to the Pilot Maneuvers.
Work in Rock 'n Roll...
...how about a Fluidic Jump?
Then everybody can decide to give a thumbs up or thumbs down.
It's odd to me how the dev team want every one to play the game on their terms. Why does it matter if players bank for the next event? I personally didn't, but I'm annoyed for the people that did. I suppose it's good they are offering some kind of reward to lessen the rage, but I still think this is a stupid change.
If it is for exclusivity, unfortunately Cryptic you may want to try a different line or just reverse the decision now, because your exclusivity street credit has been long gone for quite sometime.
Again, don't post much but this is bull**** Cryptic.
You are purposely forcing players to grind, i.e. repetitively play something, that usually isn't fun, for some new summer event currency. Changing the currency effectively forces the players to play the content, so as usual its down to metrics.
Not everyone can afford the money or time to obtain large amounts of whatever to get all the new shinies. I did have the time last year and the year before to accrue a few hundred pearls. This year I will not. I was hoping that it would be enough to buy whatever I wanted this year and now, as usual, you change the goalposts.
At least you are offering some things to spend the pearls on, I'll give you that, but this really is TRIBBLE poor. Two fingers up to the established long time players. Agaiin.
Whoever is making these decisions needs to stop before your all the players leave and the game is ruined. I suspect its Gecko again but whoever, just stop it. I'd rather take my money and time elsewhere than be forced to grind specific content here.
Again, don't post much but this is bull**** Cryptic.
You are purposely forcing players to grind, i.e. repetitively play something, that usually isn't fun, for some new summer event currency. Changing the currency effectively forces the players to play the content, so as usual its down to metrics.
Not everyone can afford the money or time to obtain large amounts of whatever to get all the new shinies. I did have the time last year and the year before to accrue a few hundred pearls. This year I will not. I was hoping that it would be enough to buy whatever I wanted this year and now, as usual, you change the goalposts.
At least you are offering some things to spend the pearls on, I'll give you that, but this really is TRIBBLE poor. Two fingers up to the established long time players. Agaiin.
Whoever is making these decisions needs to stop before your all the players leave and the game is ruined. I suspect its Gecko again but whoever, just stop it. I'd rather take my money and time elsewhere than be forced to grind specific content here.
The delta recruit system has been a great gift to the playerbase of STO with all the dil and marks to the recruit as well as your other toons for just being there, but yet you are crying about two sub par tier 5 ships? These ships were just novelties, anything they have planned this summer would be a definite improvement! As for the pearls they never said you could use them forever, and they are offering some neat things in exchange when they don't have too. So in essence the elitist hoarders are crying over spilled milk, in the words of the eagles "get over it"
I'll also add that saving up pearls from previous events gives players breathing room in case they take a vacation(it is summer after all) or would just like to relax and stroll through the event without feeling the need to front end everything.
I haven't read the entire thread because it's 59 pages long. I'm just dropping in to say that this is absolute bovine-excrement. Not only are you TRIBBLE over people who tried to get ahead next year, because apparently simply playing the game is an exploit or something now, but you're also making it impossible to get older ships, including the set bonuses that come with their consoles? You really thought this was a good idea? Really?
The problem was too many people getting the shiny new ship on day 1 and not needing to come back and play for the rest of the event. Regarding the new characters, as long as you already have the ship on one of your characters your alt can still get the ship for playing the event once.
i think you dont understand this
most peoples do this event for the ship, not because of the event itself
they 'worked' for the pearls in the past events
they did the same as you would do in the next summer event, you will farm those new items to get the ship, no ?
so they did the same, but in the last event
who cares if someone gets the ship at first day, or in 21 days, if they want the next ship 2016, they have to farm again 1000 pearls
everyone did the same work for one ship, you have to get 1000 pearls
but it doesnt matter if its in an old event done or in the new event
iam sure some peoples like the new event, and i will play it too
but this is just wrong, what you and cryptic think about this
I wouldn't call the Risian ships "sub-par", they are both actually quite good in their respective roles.
The Luxury Cruiser particularly is a great ship for Roms, because it's about the only choice for an "Assault Cruiser" ( a 4 x 4 weap. cruiser that can actually turn more than 360 deg. per year) It's quite a good ship stat wise.
The only reason I think you don't see more of them, is that people don't like the "look" or the mere thought of flying around space and fighting battles in the love boat.
And the corvette is quite a nimble, and well laid out little escort. It's by no means the "best" but it's a darn sight better than many other ships.
I just hope they re-evaluate their decision to remove them from availability. Stick them in the Zen/Lobi/GPL stores if needs be.
What does it matter WHEN I do my 25 dailies to get my currency?
First, seasonal currency is EARNED through completing extra dailies the past season (or bought from the Lobi store). To devalue this currency after it was earned seems a bit unfair, an expiration warning should probably have been given at the time the currency is earned, not before it is about to be spent.
Second, taking the time to earn extra seasonal currency is an INVESTMENT. I am saying that: 1. I will probably still be playing this game next year. 2. I am willing to spend extra time now so I can zip around in that new ship a few days early. 3. I care about this game enough so that should something in real life comes up I can still get the ship on time without waiting a year.
Three, by making ships exclusive and unobtainable after this year: console sets can not be completed for new players/characters. If for any reason I can not complete the 25 dailies this year I will need to open up my wallet and play the lobi lottery for a variable number of crystals. Then play the currency lottery for a variable number of seasonal currency until I have whats needed or I miss out on the ship forever.
Conclusion: If you want to fly that new ship early- spend some money. If you can't make 25 days of grinding- spend some money NOW- or else miss out on this ship forever.
The delta recruit system has been a great gift to the playerbase of STO with all the dil and marks to the recruit as well as your other toons for just being there, but yet you are crying about two sub par tier 5 ships? These ships were just novelties, anything they have planned this summer would be a definite improvement! As for the pearls they never said you could use them forever, and they are offering some neat things in exchange when they don't have too. So in essence the elitist hoarders are crying over spilled milk, in the words of the eagles "get over it"
The ships are decent enough.
And for plenty of DRs, they're better than the ships they get for free at 40.
I know I haven't spent a dime on my DRs, and I'm certain others are the same.
The point is they did not need to change the currency. All they needed to do was make a conversion from pearls--->favors near the end so people could pick up some stuff. They do this in neverwinter and it works.
Or they could give away a risan bridge officer for pearls. People would go for that if they did it right. If they added new intel/command/pilot ones even better. They only appear for summer event so people will log on.
250 pearls = green boff
500 pearls = blue boff
700 pearls = purple boff
1500 pearls = Ultra rare boff
2000 pearls = epic boff
I can guarantee people would save their pearls and spend them on stuff like this. Its an easy fix and you don't have to change over to a new currency every event. I could turn this game around in less than 6 months and probably make them more money than they've made in a year!!
Not surprised, not entirely happy but not completely raging.
I saved up pearls, autographs, etc for the next year, in order to get the new ship day 1. I don't think it was ever right to LET me do that and devalues the event...
But...
By my reading of the blog and seems to be with what they are intending to do, they have gone too far.
If I have already unlocked a previous years ship, I should be able to 'purchase' it again on any character on my account for 1 days worth of participation in the current years event.
Not being able to slot these past year missions is total bull**** and means that my new characters (DELTA RECRUITS that you convinced me to create) can never get the set bonuses nor have the fun in those older vessels... A player should be able to slot the projec for any ship any year, but only that year's tokens would work that year.
Secondly, if I participate in the event for a ship that I haven't already unlocked (be it this year's one or a previous years one) and for some reason am unable to finish project - you know real life and all - then losing all my progress and not being able to finish it next year is also TOTAL BULL****.
The mission should stay slotted with whatever progress I gained, then next year the input becomes whatever next years tokens are.
I am hoping that this is a misunderstanding with the Blog and people's interpretation of the solution. I understand why Devs do not want overspill earnings from previous events to count towards a new event - and to be honest I am ok with that.
However, the solution as presented/understood by the community goes way to far and is like knocking in a nail with a quantum torpedo.
Retire previous year's tokens but do not prevent players from picking older year's missions/ships (whether they are already unlocked or not). Also do not wipe players progress in projects come the end of the event. Allow them to carry it over and complete with participation next year.
PS - I am of course only talking about Ship events as are different from standard Mirror/CE events. The ships synergise with each other (set bonuses, access to pets etc). There is no such synergy between the Zeframe shotgun and a antiproton torp so making those items one shot only (and nt being able to slot the projects in subsequent runs of the event) makes sense. (However equally a players progress should they not finish should carry over and be able to complete next time around)
All they are saying is that they don't want people to save up resources, so they can get the new ship faster, and on the side, force people to grind more to get the new and the old ships.
I havn't seen a single mention (apart from players of cause) that the ships will be unobtainable in the future.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
the ships really arent that decent, a patrol escort given at level 40 could run circles around the corvette, the assault cruiser as well could shoot the risian cruser outta the sky so to speak. As for spending money if you got your delta recruit to 50 and completed all the missions you would have at least 5 mil ec in the bank if not more, plus all the dil and marks to boot. i'd imagine after finishing everything you would have more than enough to at least get fleet ship modules or upgrade tokens to get a better ship. Like i said before they give you a great gift and you cry about the crumbs they are taking away when there is no need to.
Some of us have characters we want those ships on and now will never get a chance at them. That is most uncool. If we have unspent pearls, why not let us buy the ships with them? Add them to the buyback store so people who were here to earn the pearls but missed out on the ships somehow don't get screwed over. People are furious and I don't blame them, I was really needing the Cruiser myself for a character I forgot to slot the project on in time and now I'm being told I can't have it ever? That absolutely infuriates me.
Don't just take something away without giving people a last chance at it.
Seconded. The should never prevent slotting of older ships (regardless of whether you have already unlocked it or not).
Ship events are different from the other Mirror/CE events as the ships synergise with each other (set bonuses on consoles, access special pets etc). There is no synergy to the Zephram shotgun and the Antiproton torp, so making these items one off kinda makes sense (although I do think they should be put in the lobi store after the event).
Their solution is just so complicated and wrong. Much more simple would have been the following...
Don't touch the projects at all. Leave them - 1000 pearls for ships you haven't unlocked (including a new one each time around) and 40 for ones that you have. If you select but don't complete a project it stays slotted for as long as you want.
Don't touch the tokens earned each event. This summer you still earn pearls and can still slot them in older incomplete missions or this year's new mission.
On the day that the event ends (and obviously now before this year's event starts) a token conversion occurs on everyone's accounts. Any pearls/autographed pics etc. are turned into a different currency. These 'new' tokens cannot be slotted on the ship projects, but are currency for the reward store. You could have a different currency/store for each event (eg lohnunat pearls become gems, autographed pictures become autographed baseball cards) or preferably have just one event participation token and one reward store as described.
This way people cannot store progress ahead of time, do not lose progress in a project if they are unable to complete it during the event and ARE GIVEN THE CHOICE of what they want their progress to count for. (Perhaps I want to earn the T5-U corvette for my DR's rather than whatever T6 monstrosity you are cooking up)
I COMPLETELY agree with jackal1701apw. This was the first time i'd have reserved pearls to shorten times. I was annoyed when they said they'd be gone to avoid just that, but i understood because its not "legit". About project issues, you could've wiped them out when the next year event begins, so everyone has the opportunity. Not everyone can be playing all the summer you know?
But what's with retiring the old ships? I don't understand the reasoning that led there. you don't want deltas to have decent ships for free? Thats nonsense. Many players who purchased c-store ships, many through exchanged zen from dil, can access those ships -> Deltas with T-6 Ships
Whats the point in not letting them have a t-5?
You want to make them exclusive ships for each year? Thats nonsense too. You were making console sets for breen and risian ships. Now you gotta wipe that out too, because it wouldn't be fair to the new players and alts you were so eager to make us create. Way to go...
These seasonal events were made for fun (and grind of course). I just CANT understand why are you doing this. Please reconsider that ship issue.
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BOYCOTT THE SUMMER EVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Totally doable. Just name your ship the U.S.S., I.K.S., or R.R.W. Shark and equip the Subspace Jump console. Instant Subspace Jump the Shark emote.
Also... stealing your idea for an avatar. It fits my opinion of this move so well, and they gave us that convenient image to rotate 180-degrees...
I agree with him
im not going to it if this goes ahead....
wanted to beat the Delta Meme n00bs LOL
Join Date a player made up is NOT correct!
Know what's really fun?
Subspace Jump Console
Trajector Jump (Delta Core)
Subspace Beacon (Intel ability)
Maybe work in Warp Burst Capacitor to start it off?
Maybe with Singularity Jump?
Forgetting about Subspace Beacon and going with Form Up or Subspace Interception?
With Form Up it might be fun, cause of also having access to the Pilot Maneuvers.
Work in Rock 'n Roll...
...how about a Fluidic Jump?
Then everybody can decide to give a thumbs up or thumbs down.
So this is going to be the Summer STOlympics.
I believe the change regarding the Lohlunat Pearls may not be such a nice idea.
Perhaps, you will consider not making these ships unobtainable?
As you can read in response to the announcement...it's not a very nice thing to do.
BTW...DON'T YOU DARE DO THIS WITH THE WINTER EVENT SHIPS.
Thank you for your consideration.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
You are purposely forcing players to grind, i.e. repetitively play something, that usually isn't fun, for some new summer event currency. Changing the currency effectively forces the players to play the content, so as usual its down to metrics.
Not everyone can afford the money or time to obtain large amounts of whatever to get all the new shinies. I did have the time last year and the year before to accrue a few hundred pearls. This year I will not. I was hoping that it would be enough to buy whatever I wanted this year and now, as usual, you change the goalposts.
At least you are offering some things to spend the pearls on, I'll give you that, but this really is TRIBBLE poor. Two fingers up to the established long time players. Agaiin.
Whoever is making these decisions needs to stop before your all the players leave and the game is ruined. I suspect its Gecko again but whoever, just stop it. I'd rather take my money and time elsewhere than be forced to grind specific content here.
Cant have people save up after all...
The delta recruit system has been a great gift to the playerbase of STO with all the dil and marks to the recruit as well as your other toons for just being there, but yet you are crying about two sub par tier 5 ships? These ships were just novelties, anything they have planned this summer would be a definite improvement! As for the pearls they never said you could use them forever, and they are offering some neat things in exchange when they don't have too. So in essence the elitist hoarders are crying over spilled milk, in the words of the eagles "get over it"
i think you dont understand this
most peoples do this event for the ship, not because of the event itself
they 'worked' for the pearls in the past events
they did the same as you would do in the next summer event, you will farm those new items to get the ship, no ?
so they did the same, but in the last event
who cares if someone gets the ship at first day, or in 21 days, if they want the next ship 2016, they have to farm again 1000 pearls
everyone did the same work for one ship, you have to get 1000 pearls
but it doesnt matter if its in an old event done or in the new event
iam sure some peoples like the new event, and i will play it too
but this is just wrong, what you and cryptic think about this
The Luxury Cruiser particularly is a great ship for Roms, because it's about the only choice for an "Assault Cruiser" ( a 4 x 4 weap. cruiser that can actually turn more than 360 deg. per year) It's quite a good ship stat wise.
The only reason I think you don't see more of them, is that people don't like the "look" or the mere thought of flying around space and fighting battles in the love boat.
And the corvette is quite a nimble, and well laid out little escort. It's by no means the "best" but it's a darn sight better than many other ships.
I just hope they re-evaluate their decision to remove them from availability. Stick them in the Zen/Lobi/GPL stores if needs be.
First, seasonal currency is EARNED through completing extra dailies the past season (or bought from the Lobi store). To devalue this currency after it was earned seems a bit unfair, an expiration warning should probably have been given at the time the currency is earned, not before it is about to be spent.
Second, taking the time to earn extra seasonal currency is an INVESTMENT. I am saying that: 1. I will probably still be playing this game next year. 2. I am willing to spend extra time now so I can zip around in that new ship a few days early. 3. I care about this game enough so that should something in real life comes up I can still get the ship on time without waiting a year.
Three, by making ships exclusive and unobtainable after this year: console sets can not be completed for new players/characters. If for any reason I can not complete the 25 dailies this year I will need to open up my wallet and play the lobi lottery for a variable number of crystals. Then play the currency lottery for a variable number of seasonal currency until I have whats needed or I miss out on the ship forever.
Conclusion: If you want to fly that new ship early- spend some money. If you can't make 25 days of grinding- spend some money NOW- or else miss out on this ship forever.
The ships are decent enough.
And for plenty of DRs, they're better than the ships they get for free at 40.
I know I haven't spent a dime on my DRs, and I'm certain others are the same.
Or they could give away a risan bridge officer for pearls. People would go for that if they did it right. If they added new intel/command/pilot ones even better. They only appear for summer event so people will log on.
250 pearls = green boff
500 pearls = blue boff
700 pearls = purple boff
1500 pearls = Ultra rare boff
2000 pearls = epic boff
I can guarantee people would save their pearls and spend them on stuff like this. Its an easy fix and you don't have to change over to a new currency every event. I could turn this game around in less than 6 months and probably make them more money than they've made in a year!!
Not surprised, not entirely happy but not completely raging.
I saved up pearls, autographs, etc for the next year, in order to get the new ship day 1. I don't think it was ever right to LET me do that and devalues the event...
But...
By my reading of the blog and seems to be with what they are intending to do, they have gone too far.
If I have already unlocked a previous years ship, I should be able to 'purchase' it again on any character on my account for 1 days worth of participation in the current years event.
Not being able to slot these past year missions is total bull**** and means that my new characters (DELTA RECRUITS that you convinced me to create) can never get the set bonuses nor have the fun in those older vessels... A player should be able to slot the projec for any ship any year, but only that year's tokens would work that year.
Secondly, if I participate in the event for a ship that I haven't already unlocked (be it this year's one or a previous years one) and for some reason am unable to finish project - you know real life and all - then losing all my progress and not being able to finish it next year is also TOTAL BULL****.
The mission should stay slotted with whatever progress I gained, then next year the input becomes whatever next years tokens are.
I am hoping that this is a misunderstanding with the Blog and people's interpretation of the solution. I understand why Devs do not want overspill earnings from previous events to count towards a new event - and to be honest I am ok with that.
However, the solution as presented/understood by the community goes way to far and is like knocking in a nail with a quantum torpedo.
Retire previous year's tokens but do not prevent players from picking older year's missions/ships (whether they are already unlocked or not). Also do not wipe players progress in projects come the end of the event. Allow them to carry it over and complete with participation next year.
PS - I am of course only talking about Ship events as are different from standard Mirror/CE events. The ships synergise with each other (set bonuses, access to pets etc). There is no such synergy between the Zeframe shotgun and a antiproton torp so making those items one shot only (and nt being able to slot the projects in subsequent runs of the event) makes sense. (However equally a players progress should they not finish should carry over and be able to complete next time around)
...#LLAP...
All they are saying is that they don't want people to save up resources, so they can get the new ship faster, and on the side, force people to grind more to get the new and the old ships.
I havn't seen a single mention (apart from players of cause) that the ships will be unobtainable in the future.
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Seconded. The should never prevent slotting of older ships (regardless of whether you have already unlocked it or not).
Ship events are different from the other Mirror/CE events as the ships synergise with each other (set bonuses on consoles, access special pets etc). There is no synergy to the Zephram shotgun and the Antiproton torp, so making these items one off kinda makes sense (although I do think they should be put in the lobi store after the event).
Their solution is just so complicated and wrong. Much more simple would have been the following...
Don't touch the projects at all. Leave them - 1000 pearls for ships you haven't unlocked (including a new one each time around) and 40 for ones that you have. If you select but don't complete a project it stays slotted for as long as you want.
Don't touch the tokens earned each event. This summer you still earn pearls and can still slot them in older incomplete missions or this year's new mission.
On the day that the event ends (and obviously now before this year's event starts) a token conversion occurs on everyone's accounts. Any pearls/autographed pics etc. are turned into a different currency. These 'new' tokens cannot be slotted on the ship projects, but are currency for the reward store. You could have a different currency/store for each event (eg lohnunat pearls become gems, autographed pictures become autographed baseball cards) or preferably have just one event participation token and one reward store as described.
This way people cannot store progress ahead of time, do not lose progress in a project if they are unable to complete it during the event and ARE GIVEN THE CHOICE of what they want their progress to count for. (Perhaps I want to earn the T5-U corvette for my DR's rather than whatever T6 monstrosity you are cooking up)
...#LLAP...
But what's with retiring the old ships? I don't understand the reasoning that led there. you don't want deltas to have decent ships for free? Thats nonsense. Many players who purchased c-store ships, many through exchanged zen from dil, can access those ships -> Deltas with T-6 Ships
Whats the point in not letting them have a t-5?
You want to make them exclusive ships for each year? Thats nonsense too. You were making console sets for breen and risian ships. Now you gotta wipe that out too, because it wouldn't be fair to the new players and alts you were so eager to make us create. Way to go...
These seasonal events were made for fun (and grind of course). I just CANT understand why are you doing this. Please reconsider that ship issue.