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  • blazeritterblazeritter Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    iconians wrote: »
    If Cryptic is sending a message, it is that they simply are not reliable or dependable on a long-term scale...
    They are hurting the faith that the players are putting in them. Players want to know the time and effort they put into the game will pay off for them in the end.

    In fairness, I believe they have demonstrated this several times over. The T6 Intrepid right after T5U Intrepid upgrades (with no warning), the Jem'Hadar Attack/Strike Ship, the T6 "Iconic Ships" after saying no existing ships would be made full T6, I would personally add the Fleet T6 as they add nothing that is "T6," and the list goes on.
  • crunn2crunn2 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    One Fed is named Capt Hairy Pants.
    The other Fed is named xXxBoBxXx.
    The Romulan is named LagMonster.
    The KDF is named IceColdNinja.

    ...is the Romulan giving the thumbs up emote above his or her ship really going to break the Star Trek immersion one had been feeling up to that point?

    Show player names - Disabled (or target only)

    I hope the emotes can also be disabled
    Same goes for this whole currency/ship retirement idea.

    Anyway more than 50 pages of almost unanimous complaints in just a few hours, should be enough for them to reconsider.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Unique stuff given for a currency we are and will not be able to have anymore ?
    I seriously hope those rewards will be available for everyone during the event, one way or another, for the many like myself who didn't hoard the pearls.
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  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'm okay with the emotes for now but Cryptic is absolutely tasteless so you just know things are going to pop up like Rikers face and an audio message "I'm Jonathon Frakes and I'd like to thank you for logging in to Star Trek Online" or Neelix spouting B.S. like "you really cooked his skorzeezian goose!"
  • captainkroncaptainkron Member Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    If only you all knew how much this tread has sapped my 25 toons will to continue the fight against the Iconians :/

    Rock and Roll here I come!!!
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  • cronos722cronos722 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Change currency = Fine

    Retiring previous ships = Don't Do It

    Buyback store = Don't Care

    Emotes = Don't Care
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Okay, let me see if I understand this correctly.

    1) The special currency in a limited time Event which I do not play is not going to be available after the Event closes.

    2) If I had any of the special currency from last year's limited time Event right now, I could trade it in for some somewhat useful items.

    3) Due to this change, people will not be able to farm the Event after they get this year's "free" ship so they can get a head start on next year's "free" ship.

    4) Since these ships are becoming limited time offers, if people do not have last year's "free" ship already they will not be able to acquire it by using special currency from this year's limited time event.

    5) Some people object to this change because: reasons.

    6) Yawn. Okay, but remember to wake me when we get to the part where I am supposed to be all righteously indignant about this change. I wouldn't want to miss it.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    cidstorm wrote: »
    I'm okay with the emotes for now but Cryptic is absolutely tasteless so you just know things are going to pop up like Rikers face and an audio message "I'm Jonathon Frakes and I'd like to thank you for logging in to Star Trek Online" or Neelix spouting B.S. like "you really cooked his skorzeezian goose!"

    Hey now, why stop there. It would also be a way for advertising...subscribers (including LTS) would be excluded; but F2Pers could have little avatars pop up above them initially advertising games on ARC or the like. Then they could move on from there...Feds advertising Pepsi, KDF advertising Coke, and Roms advertising Starbucks.
  • shurato2099shurato2099 Member Posts: 588 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'm still here!!

    I do not recall any blog ever saying that they could keep them and use them next year. Player, including me, collected them on the off chance that we could use them again, but this was never guaranteed. Previously this was allowed, but sorry I do not see the issue with this changing!

    I also not see how it hurts people coming in to play the event. So far we have only had this one bit of information about the event - we still do not know what other rewards, trade ins etc will be added for those players once they have done their 25 runs and got the ship - there could be other things up for grabs. What I'm saying is it is too early still to be shouting about it and that we should wait until we know about the rewards, about how long we'll get to play the event, what other rewards will be offered to players after collecting the new ship and hearing about what will happen to alts who don't have previous ships that another main/alt has already collected.
    Until I know more facts, I am not shouting doom about this event.

    We've had exchanges for items for many past events and even crafting... somethings will go to the GPL store, but I think they will be the smaller items imho. This is no different than before, except so far, this time, it is stuff that I actually like!

    Again we do not know if any of the multiple featured episodes due out over the coming months will reward the new currency - again, I'll wait until I know more before screaming.

    No, I'm pretty sure that putting up a blog with it's little "Discuss in the Forums" link is a clear signal that we should be discussing this matter now as opposed to waiting for some later blog that may or may not even be coming.

    The blog clearly states that these are the items that will be available through the new exchange, not some of the items that will be available, and given that it goes live tomorrow as per the patch notes it is foolish to expect any kind of change to the published list on this kind of short notice. So the rewards available are the awards available, period. That part is not open for discussion.

    The FAQ also specifically states that the one currency per year, all projects cancelled at the end of the event model is going to be the process going forward. Given the marked similarity between the Summer, Winter and Anniversary events it is not a huge leap in logic to come away with the idea that this process is going to be applied to all such events in the future. And from a community that is already ill-disposed towards PWE/Cryptic with regards to such changes, one might go so far as to suggest that the assumption is to be expected.

    Finally, given what appears to be the state of the previous ships (weren't you getting confirmation on that by the way?) whatever we're offered this year had best not have anything to do with the previous console set or we're going to be going through this all over again in a few weeks.

    As to your role in this discussion: are you here to allay fears, keep a lid on things or justify the changes?
  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    cronos722 wrote: »
    Change currency = Fine

    Retiring previous ships = Don't Do It

    Buyback store = Don't Care
    Same here.

    But:
    cronos722 wrote: »
    Emotes = Don't Care
    Is it really neccessary to add even more stuff to clutter the screen?

    What about making ability activation FX optional?
    What about making Beam weapon FX from 2-8 beams to only 1 option?


    Seriously it get too much lately.
    "...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--" - (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie

    A tale of two Picards
    (also applies to Star Trek in general)
  • picardcrusherpicardcrusher Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Uggh. And I was about to congratulate the devs on getting rid of the "accidental" dilithium theft that is the crafting interface. Well, that's a big one so, I will do it anyways. The first bug that was making PWE money and got fixed in a long long time. VERY much appreciated.
    :D

    Maybe even enough to get you off the hook for the Risian currency change. But who's idea was it to give us the wonderfully immersive new sector space and then said "hey, let's put little cartoons over everyone's ships"?
    :eek:

    Please take note of the former fellow employees who are no longer with you, and don't think "but we have to do it because we spent so much money on it in the first place, so we must try it out". Don't think "oh, but our development process is so long before we can make changes".
    :confused:

    Please never introduce floating cartoon emotes. Next time you get an idea that some of the players will hate with an intensity that rivals lag, ask us how much we hate it before you introduce it. Idiots and griefers will love this. The roleplayer in me just got kicked between the legs.
    :mad:

    Trekkers want to take trek seriously, and this looks like a joke.

    Nerfing is Fraud...
  • wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by worgaus View Post
    I can't say I care for this change at all. There was nothing wrong with how it worked in the past, and now for some weird reason you've decided to lock out any new characters from the older event rewards?

    So on one hand you want us to make new characters and on the other you want to discriminate against them

    Just leave it the way it was, what difference does it make if we ground out pearls in the past or grind them out now? We still put the extra time in to do it.

    The problem was too many people getting the shiny new ship on day 1 and not needing to come back and play for the rest of the event. Regarding the new characters, as long as you already have the ship on one of your characters your alt can still get the ship for playing the event once.


    Midnight Moderator,
    problem with this "restart", to make everyone forced to earn daily "currencies", reason why some dont want to do all with the alts, and no one likes very laggy instanted zones they are in, and also that would push out many other players on "surfer racings" because it only rewards to "top 3 players", i never got a monkey pet, i gave up.
    i rather play on less players on zones, with this forced reset, and every one dont have choice, to skip this event, fed up with lags, facing many "cutthroat players" while in motion of "gathering" and suddenly you get pumped off and you had to retry,
    no one likes rude players.
    now this will make bottlenecking server with more ruder, and some will find ways to cheat.

    i wonder what Ferengi people see this, they know when business is good, and they know the "Greed" is very bad form and unprofitable, this is making ferengi run for life.
  • gameversemangameverseman Member Posts: 1,110 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Anyone whimpering about the space emotes needs to try actually playing the game for once. Notice all the constant spam stuff when ships fight, it has nothing to do with star trek at all.

    I've resigned myself to just learning to live with the obnoxious ability visuals.

    The space emotes are a genuinely good idea. Take the thumbs up/thumbs down ones, now we have a way to show our judgment for other ships we see. A simple visual cue like these emotes makes communication a lot easier.

    How about they actually implement markers instead of pointless emotes? We shouldn't be using the emotes as markers but instead should get markers instead and say "**** the emotes".
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    How about they actually implement markers instead of pointless emotes? We shouldn't be using the emotes as markers but instead should get markers instead and say "**** the emotes".

    Are these markers washable and what brand are they? Are they non toxic? Will they stain my uniform if they leak? I must know! :3
  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 487 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Since I expect this will happen to the Winter event next year, I'm upset.
    I spent extra time this year to gather those items, so I could relax a bit next year.
    Why does it matter when we spend the time, as long as we are spending it?
    This is the dilithium nerf x10.

    Cryptic, we can't play 24/7/365, like you seem to think we can.
    I play this for Star Trek, not for an MMO. This is the only MMO I play, and will ever play.

    I don't even care about spec points. I just wanted to get what I planned with the tools you provided.

    Especially mad that if I'm short one day now, I've just wasted all the previous two weeks worth of effort.

    In the words of the Comic Book Guy: "Worst nerf ever!"

    EDIT: This is not my idea of having fun.
    LTS Since Beta (Jan 2010).
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    While I'm not raging, as it looks like I'll at least be compensated for my current pearls, I do have some concerns...

    1 - We need less of ("You weren't around two years ago for ship X, too bad!") going forward. Especially since the event ships seem to have console bonuses or pet unlocks. I have a lot of new toons that I fired up for Delta Recruitment, and some of them could benefit from a Risian ship, etc etc.

    2 - This concerns me on a go forward basis. What happens when the winter event rolls around? Will we get compensated for the next currency being retired, or will the attitude be "They should have seen the writing on the wall when we changed the summer event, they get nothing this time."? Where does this mentality stop? The same could easily be done to rep marks, or dilithium, etc.

    All in all, I don't think running these to stockpile for next time was that exploitive. It was all time that I (and many others) invested in generating the currencies. If Cryptic wants us to start at 0 each event, I'm fine with spend currencies for spec points or anything like that on a go forward basis.

    Also - those ships really should be available to new toons the next time the event runs.
    Heh, I hope they do this for Qmendations next year. I'll be laughing all the way to the bank. :D
    kozar2 wrote: »
    Half of you are talking about one thing: pearls
    Half of you are talking about another: favors

    pearls: needed a 1000 for a ship and were character bound
    favors: needed to buy everything else on Risa and were sellable on exchange.

    They are getting rid of peals. The ships weren't that good anyway. Who cares?
    I think most people are expecting a t6 pilot ship. I have to wonder if it'll be an updated version of the Risian escort.
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I havent read the entire thread, but I'm guessing the Q photos are next: I guess they cant stand the fact that some people save photos and pearls so they didnt have to grind non-frakking stop.


    This is really uncool.
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  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Over 20,000 views and more than 500+. mostly negative. replies in not even one day? I think that tells you Cryptic, that this is a bad idea.

    Retiring the 'currency' is not really an issue, I understand and can even accept the decision, an attempt to get more players involved each and every day of these events.

    I DO NOT agree with retiring the previous ships however. I would like to see all previous "event" items moved to the Zen/Lobi/GPL stores, so that new players and/or Delta Recruits have an optional way to acquire them.

    I'd also like clarification on whether the "Alt Discount" will still be used this year?
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    mreeves7a wrote: »
    Seems they're trying to fix the "save x item from last event, get reward on day one" workaround/trick (exploit?).

    Will the periodic Crystalline Entity and Mirror Invasion events also change to use a new item each time?

    The interesting thing is, it's NOT aan exploit: the first year, the free ship was the Delta ship, which is and was ****e...so I saved my marks/photos what have you. It's not an exploit, its simply smart consumerism.

    The thing is, that's TRIBBLE that they change the rules regularly when there's something the players like. Again, back to "Playing as intended"

    Playing As Intended:

    Play the missions WE want you to play.
    Only level the way WE want you to level.
    Log in to achieve x for the amount of time WE want.
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Checking to see about that on whether it's permanent, semi-permanent, or temporary.

    Hey Trendy, I don't want to come across as caustic...can you reply to the OTHER questions? Like, the ones people care about?

    With much love and respect.
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  • crunn2crunn2 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Anyone whimpering about the space emotes needs to try actually playing the game for once. Notice all the constant spam stuff when ships fight, it has nothing to do with star trek at all.

    I've resigned myself to just learning to live with the obnoxious ability visuals.

    The space emotes are a genuinely good idea. Take the thumbs up/thumbs down ones, now we have a way to show our judgment for other ships we see. A simple visual cue like these emotes makes communication a lot easier.

    Check your options, almost everything, including the majority of windows and all the combat numbers junk can be disabled.
    You can strip it back to a pretty clean looking experience.
    Sure there are things, that intelligence targeting thing for example is horrible.

    One non-disableable thing that still ticks me off is "Blah@Blahblah has acquired a fancy new ship" flashing across my screen every 2mins.
    Fair enough if it was just a couple times an evening, no bother. but the often rapid fire frequency of it is verily irking.
  • necriemoonnecriemoon Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    So.....


    Will the Elite Queue R&D Material Reward Package also come with Salvaged Technology? You know, like an actual Elite Queue R&D Material Reward Package does?

    Because if not, then its not an "Elite Queue R&D Material Reward Package". Its just a R&D reward box where you can choose what very rare materials you get :(

    .... Well, I mean, its still a nice chunk of R&D mats which is nice. However, without the Salvaged Tech, saying its a Elite Queue R&D Material Reward Package is inaccurate.

    Could we please get some clarification on this?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    bendalek wrote: »
    I'd also like clarification on whether the "Alt Discount" will still be used this year?

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9232203-star-trek-online%3A-retiring-lohlunat-pearls

    Second to last question in the FAQ.
    What about discounts for alts?

    Once you have earned the new 2015 starship on a single character, ships for your alt characters can still be earned with a single play through of the “Flyin’ High” daily mission.

    So they're not removing the discounts.

    It's just going to be a case of removing access to previous ships and the ability to carry over the Pearls (and whatever other items they apply this to) from year to year.

    * * * * *

    Unless you meant the already unlocked discounts and the inability to slot projects on new alts vs. the ability to slot the project at all, which they were supposed to be getting clarification for us on (though it looked like a clear no to me) but haven't gotten that so far...er...that I've seen.
  • aelogriaaelogria Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Kind of a lame thing to do. Just putting my 2 cents worth in. But its Cryptic and not caring about their customers is their MO.



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  • arxialarxial Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies. ~Bluegeek

    Nice CYA there Bluegeek, but it doesn't work like that. I neither violated the rules nor the policies, I made a statement on the validity of a dev's ego trip.
  • alopenalopen Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    astrorobla wrote: »
    Honestly this sounds like an entirely reasonable choice from a game design perspective.

    The idea behind shiny new spaceships is to get people excited about playing the game to earn them. This mechanic levels the playing field every time. And for those who just MUST open their Christmas presents a few weeks early, there is the $$$ Lobi option.

    And the rewards for pearl stashes are pretty nice, so the folk who planned ahead get something nice, just not what they were expecting.

    The recurrent theme in MMOs is that they survive by creating enticements that encourage you to grind the game. I guess I've gotten used to the idea to the point I don't expect to be able to circumvent what is clearly the intended mechanic for acquiring event ships the day they roll out.

    If you could max your spec points in a week or get all the new stuff on day 1 there's not a lot of reason to return to play.

    As for discontinuing the ships, personally I was never interested in playing them very much (most of my alts have them boxed and unused in the bank, and I don't remember the last time I went back to one). But it does suck for players who like them.

    For me what sucks is I started the grind on a few toons and lost interest in the ships. So I have 280 pearls spent on the corvette on one toon for instance, I'd love to have the pearls and buy a spec point. But they are locked up already. That's what sucks, because now I have no choice but to finish the grind or kiss my previous work good bye. There should at least be a refund option for those grinds since they are wasted efforts for a T5U ships that it is now outdated but I could have slowly grinded for.
  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 487 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    crunn2 wrote: »
    Check your options, almost everything, including the majority of windows and all the combat numbers junk can be disabled.
    You can strip it back to a pretty clean looking experience.
    Sure there are things, that intelligence targeting thing for example is horrible.

    One non-disableable thing that still ticks me off is "Blah@Blahblah has acquired a fancy new ship" flashing across my screen every 2mins.
    Fair enough if it was just a couple times an evening, no bother. but the often rapid fire frequency of it is verily irking.

    Check your options.
    Those fly-by's can be turned off too.
    Click the button in the lower-right of the chat window, click 'Notification settings', then uncheck 'Gameplay Announcements' Fly-in.
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  • dongemaharudongemaharu Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I too would like to quote this:
    Originally Posted by iconians View Post
    Games are supposed to feel rewarding. If players did more work than was necessary last year, in anticipation that they would not need to work as much this year, then that says two things to me.

    1: The players in question can be reasonably expected to play this game for another year, if for no other reason than to return next year. If players are complaining about this, then this is more than just the usual "Cryptic bad!" echo chamber, because at the very least the people complaining are expecting to stick around the game for at least another year.

    This is a good thing.

    2: The players in question are smart enough and clever enough to plan ahead. Since this is a positive trait more people should have, then this is something that should be nurtured and planned around -- not planned for.

    If Cryptic sees this as a problem, that says two things to me.

    1: Cryptic does not care (or care enough) whether or not players can be reasonably expected to stick around for another year. This hurts player morale.

    2: Cryptic does not care (or care enough) that players are smart enough or clever enough to plan ahead. This is a bad thing because it punishes the idea that people should think of their own future. In a Star Trek game, I think this sets a bad example ethically, morally, and socially, and in terms of gameplay.

    Yes, I could put money I've earned into investments and they could turn out toxic and worthless. However, there is a reasonable expectation that what I am investing in would net me gains instead of losses.

    If Cryptic is sending a message, it is that they simply are not reliable or dependable on a long-term scale. If the summer/winter events are anything to judge by, it is that Cryptic is saying they do not care if I stick around for another year. That I should not be reasonably expected to believe they are thinking beyond a 6 month timetable.

    They are hurting the faith that the players are putting in them. Players want to know the time and effort they put into the game will pay off for them in the end. Since the Lobi Store allows players to bypass the grind for event ships, then clearly it is intended that players are able to get new ships faster than usual.

    But since this would hurt Lobi Store sales, this is not a matter of time spent in the game -- it is a matter of monetization.

    This is a clear case where monetization is more important than a rewarding gameplay experience. Cryptic, I sincerely believe is deserving of every bit of scrutiny they are getting from this.
  • vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    So all you people who want to fly around a Risian ship on day one, better be prepared to hemorrhage a load of lobi. :rolleyes:

    TBH, personally I don't have a problem jumpin through whatever flamin hoops they throw at me to get the ship, provided it's a real good one..

    Oh and how I do hope the new ship is a real good one ! :D

    I'm glad they are offering SOMETHING at least, in exchange for the pearls.
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  • jonpen1jonpen1 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    beameddown wrote: »
    I LOVE!!! the ship emotes!!

    I know I know, the space is going to be packed with them the first few months, but thinking long term when the "new toy" weres off, folks will be able to send out a "thumbs up" when a player gets a crit that pops the borg cube, smile when they see a friend

    etc, its got a thousand and one uses that are all good

    some bad, but I don't think the bad out weighs the good so 100% love the emotes:)

    No, there is no good to this. Its a completely stupid, silly thing to do. It destroys immersive effect. It completely goes against all efforts to make a better background, better looking ships..then through stupid, goofy, childish (and non genre) emotes that detract from enjoyment of the game by people who might actually give a darn about star trek.

    If they include an option where you can turn off emotes, so you can't see them, that would be fair. Those annoyed by them wouldn't have to see them.

    Otherwise, a big middle finger to whatever greedy idiot who decided to cater to the lowest common level of immature, juvenile player at the expense of everyone else.
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