It is stated just that you will need new project with new items to grind for every year. The old ships will be (propably) accessible on the new projects too.
But - oh man - this year was first that i "pre-grind" for next Winter Event and they just block me :mad:
They kind of did say that .... if you miss out on the current Event Ship during Year X, you'll miss out forever ...
Can I slot a new project for a Risian Corvette or Risian Luxury Cruiser?
No. These ships are being retired with the start of the 2015 Lohlunat Festival.
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
Starship emotes.... don't quite see the need for them nor the appeal. I personally think Dev time could have been much, much better spent, but nothing we can do about it now.
For me, these are right up there on the silly meter along with the magic pony fairy rainbow coins that rain from the sky in the Dyson BG.
Like fixing the bug on Advanced Dyson Destroyers so I can play my othe 3 toons oh no what am I saying they are to (stupi) busy making STARSHIP EMOTES EVERYONE COME ONE COME ALL STARSHIP EMOTES DO YOU DPS PEOPLE LOVE THE EMOTES PLEASE SAY YES.
Sorry Destiny at least has devs that LISTEN to all of the COMMUNITY OR FROM THE DEV POV THE FRACKING CUSTOMERS HERE.
Here's a good compromise: put the new ships on the new currencies, but allow the players to slot the previous ships (for previous currencies) ONE LAST TIME
Then you still get to encourage grinding to buff your miserable playtime metrics, and players don't get told that they are just little coppertops in your matrix
I don't know about others but for me making new toons just got more unwanted.
Looks like i will need to just put more playtime in my old toons
Well STO's "Alt-friendliness" is like a bipolar monkey on crack with multiple personalities ...
+ Play Delta Recruits ! Make a new Toon ! Get extra Stuff ...
- You want an easy way to level multiple Toons ... too bad we're nerfing Doffing XP ...
+ Never mind how about those useful Sponsorship Tokens i.E.
- You want to have all the fancy old Event Ships & maybe complete your Console-Set ... sorry you're screwed ... especially if you're a Delta Recruit ...
+ Never mind you can still have your "Event-Ship-Discount" ... but only if you're doing it on every toon during Year X ... otherwise you're screwed again & it's worthless ...
etc etc ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
or ( done in a lot of other MMO's ) : an NPC where you can exchange the old currency for the new one at no cost ( and with a 1 to 1 rate ) ... that way you don't get the feeling you did the entire grind last year for naught .I don't even have any pearls myself but I can spot a very bad idea from a mile off and this is a corker ...:)
put the old ships in lobi-store and place some kind of exchange-NPC ingame .
As someone that tries to play with as little extra "fluff" on my screen, I really hate the idea of Starship Emotes. I've turned off shield facing FX, all number floaters, etc. I'm still hoping for a way to turn off the "Sensor Analysis" arrow on Sci ships...
Also, though my metrics will show I never spend time (had time*) to do the Summer Event stuff, I am really against what I'm seeing. I can extrapolate to the Winter Event getting some same treatment and I LOVE the Winter Event.
Just as I was looking forward to the future after the Sector Space revamp, seeing some new FEs, and the team bringing in more VOs, this has really soured my outlook again.
Have us do a daily mission 25 times for a special ship, which will be rendered obsolete in a few months, only to be removed from being able to purchase a few months later?
If this is the case for future events I'll have to put serious thought into if the events are worth doing... Perhaps not.
I wasn't terribly pleased with the T5 Intrepid and Galaxy being dropped in the dust bin with the T6 variants. This just adds to the frustration of T5(U) vs. T6, more so even with all the Delta Recruits running around, many created with the firm impression that the summer/winter event ships would be available during their respective events.
I'm not going to hold any hope of getting a Chel Grett, Plesh Brek, or Sarr Theln on my Delta Recruit, and I'm certainly not going to be making any more alts if this trend continues.
Oh, just a reminder, Delta Recruits (or any new characters made after the 5th Anniversary event) can't as of yet get a Kobali Cruiser, and I'm losing hope of ever getting one of those for my Delta Recruit too.
I'm somewhat unconcerned about the starship emotes, they can be useful in a firefight, and also fuel for trolls. Eh 6 of one, half-a-dozen of another.
Seriously Cryptic, put the Corvette and Cruiser in a store somewhere, I don't care if it's the Dil store, C-Store, or even one of those vendors on Risa, charge a bundle of Favors for them, but leave them available for purchase!!!
Here's a good compromise: put the new ships on the new currencies, but allow the players to slot the previous ships (for previous currencies) ONE LAST TIME
Then you still get to encourage grinding to buff your miserable playtime metrics, and players don't get told that they are just little coppertops in your matrix
see... that's stupid but sensible. What they are proposing is just stupid..... bottom line is the players enjoyment, happiness, etc etc should come first. If the players are happy they will play. If they play there is a higher chance of them spending money. But there is some degree of gambling so PWE/Cryptic decides to endeavor to reduce that gamble no matter the cost.
No it doesn't, its saying current projects wont be reset at the start of the event due to the currency changes but will be reset if you don't complete them by the time the new event ends, all pretty simple to understand really
Because nothing says Star Trek starships in space like floating emotes over our star ships. Man this should drive the RPers nuts. When do we get other emojis like Apple?
Let me start by saying that my rage is not nor will ever be directed toward you Trendy. You are just a messenger sent by "them".
With that, NO, don't give me this "equal footing" nonsense. This is nothing more than you yanking EARNED items out from under us because many of us have built up the pearls to get the ship day 1 and not bother with running the mission again to get more. That of course would throw all your metrics out the window. Let it be known that many like me, run the blasted mission just to save up for no reason other than to get them or to save for next year. This is pathetic!:mad:
Starship emotes?! What a waste of time. Oh look a big blue thumb, just reminds me of how much I hate Facebook.
Can we expect this kind of thing with the Winter and Anniversary Events?
If the decision had been made back then, then they probably would have announced. Once the event was up and running the devs would have been working on their next job... it has nothing to with respecting the player base - they are working on the event now and the decisions was made now, players are now informed.
Midnightshadow7,
I understand that the Devs are busy working up new and appealing things to add or improve with the game and that they have to move on quickly. But nowhere is it required to IMPLEMENT the decision immediately. Since the events are annual, there should have been at least some review at the conclusion of the event and some strong plans for the following year.
From your response, I gain the impression that the Devs don't plan a year in advance. That a change is decided in the last minute, for good or evil, and implemented immediately, Thus drawing a lot of unpleasant commentary.
I stand by what I said before. Notice given far enough ahead for the players to make good decisions is a show of respect. This last minute change to the rules before the event begins is not.
i still believe that the changes being made are fine, but they should go into effect at the END of the event, not the beginning. This would give both old and new players time to decide how they wanted to proceed with this year's events and with all the annual events that will follow.
Announcing that pearls will not be transferable to the following year's event would best be done before the players have grinded the pearls, not after the fact. Fine, if Cryptic want to change the policy, ok. But let us use last year's pearls which we already earned, and announce at the beginning of this summer that the new currency is only good for the current year, from now on.
And by the way, I think seeing the new ship around on sector space from the first day is a strong motivator to go on with the grind. Unless, of course, Cryptic isn't confident people will go on with it after seeing it or reading reviews.
Have us do a daily mission 25 times for a special ship, which will be rendered obsolete in a few months, only to be removed from being able to purchase a few months later?
yeah, that already happen with Neverwinter, just very recently, all the stuffs we had are obsolute, and now mobs are lot more deadly, and with one-shot bugs, and newer armor are way too weak, many players are protesting, and now in STO, player still protesting, and guess what, they went ahead to do very harmful changes and took away, one player i knew, he had over 2,000 marks and they put cap on it down to 500 marks, he was robbed, but these marks are now useless, i had up to 200 marks, and they are no good and i had to trade in for junk stuffs before they are gone.
now i see same tactic used by Cryptic with alt currencies and marks are being taken away, they dont care amount of time involved to earn marks/seals so we could get tier 2 upgrades.
this is another new low blow, PWE/Cryptic are no longer trusted, watch in few weeks, massive exodus. this also made some players stop spending for zens because they got screwed when these items became a new junks.
yeah, it is "free to play", but i wont spend any more, it was last straw and got broken. this game is becoming no more than just to say hello to other online game friends, and do small things, since Que for missions are now dead and too quiet, then how do i need reps???
"we will be retiring the Risian Lohlunat Pearls and introducing a new item for earning your summer starship"
Reinventing the wheel again I see. Why are they doing this again? They reinvented the crafting materials for no good reason and now they are reinventing the pearls. They really should stop doing things that make no real difference, it does nothing but cause extra work for short time uses like converting old materials. If they had not reinvented the crafting materials then that conversion system would have been unnecessary and the same goes for the pearls.
Last year many people spent extra time playing the event because it meant they could get the next years ship early.
What you have done to those people is invalidate their extra time. This is going to have a knock on effect this year, where those players will likely not spend extra time playing the game, which would probably negatively affect this years statistics/metrics which is likely the opposite of what you're trying to achieve.
There you go. If the devs have a sense of humor, they should put a shark in the water in front of one of the ramps we jump over with our floating surf boards. And offer a leather jacket costume option.
This is messed up cryptic this is how you thank your players that have stuck with you all this time and have been active in this game and grind the hell out of the stupid event just to turn around and make the ships that they have already earned into trash when you added T6 and now that was not good enough kick in the stomach you are going to give us another kick below the belt and make the leftover pearls and make them worthless and give them trash so you can say it is fair trade BS Then Cryptic turns around and says that way it is fair for everyone how is that fair for the person like myself that has 11+ Admirals who worked like a dog and grinded my days away to get what I have compared to the player that just started last month and has one 1 captain how does this make that fair If you are going to use that type of logic then you should have wiped out all the charters from the server before you started the delta event and made everyone start from scratch
Personally with this being the case I am not going to do the summer event any more on any of my charterers or on any of my accounts again if you are going to reset the event each and every year .We have to grind ourselves to death it is not worth it especially just so you can turn around and release a T6U or a T7 ship and make everything we worked for turn into garbage again
All FACTIONS ALL RANK SHOULD BOYCOTT THE SUMMER EVENT and everyone should put a post up stating that they are Boycotting the summer event if they are going to and want to send a message to cryptic because what good is a event if no one shows up for it
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They kind of did say that .... if you miss out on the current Event Ship during Year X, you'll miss out forever ...
Like fixing the bug on Advanced Dyson Destroyers so I can play my othe 3 toons oh no what am I saying they are to (stupi) busy making STARSHIP EMOTES EVERYONE COME ONE COME ALL STARSHIP EMOTES DO YOU DPS PEOPLE LOVE THE EMOTES PLEASE SAY YES.
Sorry Destiny at least has devs that LISTEN to all of the COMMUNITY OR FROM THE DEV POV THE FRACKING CUSTOMERS HERE.
Be sure this kind of customercare will be remembernd before any future transactions with this company.
Really - oh man - i missed that one..... :eek:
But that is ... bad (censored)!
I don't know about others but for me making new toons just got more unwanted.
Looks like i will need to just put more playtime in my old toons
Then you still get to encourage grinding to buff your miserable playtime metrics, and players don't get told that they are just little coppertops in your matrix
Well STO's "Alt-friendliness" is like a bipolar monkey on crack with multiple personalities ...
+ Play Delta Recruits ! Make a new Toon ! Get extra Stuff ...
- You want an easy way to level multiple Toons ... too bad we're nerfing Doffing XP ...
+ Never mind how about those useful Sponsorship Tokens i.E.
- You want to have all the fancy old Event Ships & maybe complete your Console-Set ... sorry you're screwed ... especially if you're a Delta Recruit ...
+ Never mind you can still have your "Event-Ship-Discount" ... but only if you're doing it on every toon during Year X ... otherwise you're screwed again & it's worthless ...
etc etc ...
put the old ships in lobi-store and place some kind of exchange-NPC ingame .
Also, though my metrics will show I never spend time (had time*) to do the Summer Event stuff, I am really against what I'm seeing. I can extrapolate to the Winter Event getting some same treatment and I LOVE the Winter Event.
Just as I was looking forward to the future after the Sector Space revamp, seeing some new FEs, and the team bringing in more VOs, this has really soured my outlook again.
Have us do a daily mission 25 times for a special ship, which will be rendered obsolete in a few months, only to be removed from being able to purchase a few months later?
If this is the case for future events I'll have to put serious thought into if the events are worth doing... Perhaps not.
I wasn't terribly pleased with the T5 Intrepid and Galaxy being dropped in the dust bin with the T6 variants. This just adds to the frustration of T5(U) vs. T6, more so even with all the Delta Recruits running around, many created with the firm impression that the summer/winter event ships would be available during their respective events.
I'm not going to hold any hope of getting a Chel Grett, Plesh Brek, or Sarr Theln on my Delta Recruit, and I'm certainly not going to be making any more alts if this trend continues.
Oh, just a reminder, Delta Recruits (or any new characters made after the 5th Anniversary event) can't as of yet get a Kobali Cruiser, and I'm losing hope of ever getting one of those for my Delta Recruit too.
I'm somewhat unconcerned about the starship emotes, they can be useful in a firefight, and also fuel for trolls. Eh 6 of one, half-a-dozen of another.
Seriously Cryptic, put the Corvette and Cruiser in a store somewhere, I don't care if it's the Dil store, C-Store, or even one of those vendors on Risa, charge a bundle of Favors for them, but leave them available for purchase!!!
see... that's stupid but sensible. What they are proposing is just stupid..... bottom line is the players enjoyment, happiness, etc etc should come first. If the players are happy they will play. If they play there is a higher chance of them spending money. But there is some degree of gambling so PWE/Cryptic decides to endeavor to reduce that gamble no matter the cost.
No it doesn't, its saying current projects wont be reset at the start of the event due to the currency changes but will be reset if you don't complete them by the time the new event ends, all pretty simple to understand really
With that, NO, don't give me this "equal footing" nonsense. This is nothing more than you yanking EARNED items out from under us because many of us have built up the pearls to get the ship day 1 and not bother with running the mission again to get more. That of course would throw all your metrics out the window. Let it be known that many like me, run the blasted mission just to save up for no reason other than to get them or to save for next year. This is pathetic!:mad:
Starship emotes?! What a waste of time. Oh look a big blue thumb, just reminds me of how much I hate Facebook.
Can we expect this kind of thing with the Winter and Anniversary Events?
.....
Metrics.
I think this game has finally jumped the shark!
Jumped the shark it has flown right over it. The game is now a joke. Well done Cryptic
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
... all the way to the bank.
Midnightshadow7,
I understand that the Devs are busy working up new and appealing things to add or improve with the game and that they have to move on quickly. But nowhere is it required to IMPLEMENT the decision immediately. Since the events are annual, there should have been at least some review at the conclusion of the event and some strong plans for the following year.
From your response, I gain the impression that the Devs don't plan a year in advance. That a change is decided in the last minute, for good or evil, and implemented immediately, Thus drawing a lot of unpleasant commentary.
I stand by what I said before. Notice given far enough ahead for the players to make good decisions is a show of respect. This last minute change to the rules before the event begins is not.
i still believe that the changes being made are fine, but they should go into effect at the END of the event, not the beginning. This would give both old and new players time to decide how they wanted to proceed with this year's events and with all the annual events that will follow.
And by the way, I think seeing the new ship around on sector space from the first day is a strong motivator to go on with the grind. Unless, of course, Cryptic isn't confident people will go on with it after seeing it or reading reviews.
Is this to be the new trend?
Have us do a daily mission 25 times for a special ship, which will be rendered obsolete in a few months, only to be removed from being able to purchase a few months later?
yeah, that already happen with Neverwinter, just very recently, all the stuffs we had are obsolute, and now mobs are lot more deadly, and with one-shot bugs, and newer armor are way too weak, many players are protesting, and now in STO, player still protesting, and guess what, they went ahead to do very harmful changes and took away, one player i knew, he had over 2,000 marks and they put cap on it down to 500 marks, he was robbed, but these marks are now useless, i had up to 200 marks, and they are no good and i had to trade in for junk stuffs before they are gone.
now i see same tactic used by Cryptic with alt currencies and marks are being taken away, they dont care amount of time involved to earn marks/seals so we could get tier 2 upgrades.
this is another new low blow, PWE/Cryptic are no longer trusted, watch in few weeks, massive exodus. this also made some players stop spending for zens because they got screwed when these items became a new junks.
yeah, it is "free to play", but i wont spend any more, it was last straw and got broken. this game is becoming no more than just to say hello to other online game friends, and do small things, since Que for missions are now dead and too quiet, then how do i need reps???
Reinventing the wheel again I see. Why are they doing this again? They reinvented the crafting materials for no good reason and now they are reinventing the pearls. They really should stop doing things that make no real difference, it does nothing but cause extra work for short time uses like converting old materials. If they had not reinvented the crafting materials then that conversion system would have been unnecessary and the same goes for the pearls.
That would be a tough one to do...but place the shark there and have the ship jump over it. Cool emote!
Last year many people spent extra time playing the event because it meant they could get the next years ship early.
What you have done to those people is invalidate their extra time. This is going to have a knock on effect this year, where those players will likely not spend extra time playing the game, which would probably negatively affect this years statistics/metrics which is likely the opposite of what you're trying to achieve.
Now I'm thinking the meme with the Ancient Aliens guy. And I think he has more credibility at this point.
Personally with this being the case I am not going to do the summer event any more on any of my charterers or on any of my accounts again if you are going to reset the event each and every year .We have to grind ourselves to death it is not worth it especially just so you can turn around and release a T6U or a T7 ship and make everything we worked for turn into garbage again
All FACTIONS ALL RANK SHOULD BOYCOTT THE SUMMER EVENT and everyone should put a post up stating that they are Boycotting the summer event if they are going to and want to send a message to cryptic because what good is a event if no one shows up for it