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    gl2814egl2814e Member Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I guess Cryptic/PWE is 100% djck. :D Glad I didn't grind last year.

    "Well, I don't know if I believe anyone is 100% a ****..."

    I guess Rhomann Dey was wrong.
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    raiijiraiiji Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Nice Troll attempt ... but with the current changes there is no point in playing more than 2min/day (oh the horror of playing Videogames for more than 2min) ... so again thank you Cryptic for letting me spend the time on important stuff instead ...

    I was being sincere you jerk. This game has absolutely no flaws. Its Perfect. That's why they are called PERFECT World. duh!
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    bucklerpwbucklerpw Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The "space hands" are a negative to me. I hope there is an option to turn them off. So I don't have to see them.
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    takegurutakeguru Member Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Given that I've seen at least one clear case of complaining without actually having read through what is being changed and suspect there are an uncomfortable number of posts guilty of the same thing I find this supposition dubious at best.

    If they told me that this would be the last year for pearls, I'd get my dailies done, get my ships on my characters, and I wouldn't have bothered making forum posts.

    I can only assume other people feel the same way.

    Completely invalidating my last 2 years in the summer event with a warning a day before the store opens is not a good way to get my appreciation.

    That being said, I'm fine with their reason WHY they're doing it, just not the timeframe they're implementing it in.

    Makes me regret spending my money these last few days, that's for sure though.
    Thankfully I haven't wasted money on a T6 yet, can't support this kind of decision making.
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    guardianvalourguardianvalour Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    There was not a single piece of information in that posting that I liked. This is, for myself at least, as I am not presuming to speak for anyone else, very disappointing news.

    To each their own of course, although I am already dreading the stupid spam/ship emotes.
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    beameddown wrote: »
    I LOVE!!! the ship emotes!!

    I know I know, the space is going to be packed with them the first few months, but thinking long term when the "new toy" weres off, folks will be able to send out a "thumbs up" when a player gets a crit that pops the borg cube, smile when they see a friend

    etc, its got a thousand and one uses that are all good

    some bad, but I don't think the bad out weighs the good so 100% love the emotes:)

    I'm wondering if they can be used to induce performance loss...will folks be able to troll with them.
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    gl2814egl2814e Member Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    bucklerpw wrote: »
    The "space hands" are a negative to me. I hope there is an option to turn them off. So I don't have to see them.

    Like the Subspace Party Amp and it's cure? We'll only see that fix after tens of thousands of posts complaining about the space hands and two or three years have passed.

    Then we'll see numerous space hands thrown up in a futile gesture to annoy people before the fix is implemented and their use almost literally dies off...

    (As long as they don't cause lag I don't care at this point.)
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    grnlbrtnfrntgrnlbrtnfrnt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    beameddown wrote: »
    I LOVE!!! the ship emotes!!

    I know I know, the space is going to be packed with them the first few months, but thinking long term when the "new toy" weres off, folks will be able to send out a "thumbs up" when a player gets a crit that pops the borg cube, smile when they see a friend

    etc, its got a thousand and one uses that are all good

    some bad, but I don't think the bad out weighs the good so 100% love the emotes:)

    if I wanted dumb emojis bugging me I'd buy an apple watch
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    or effects causing lag.

    Yo dawg, I heard you like lag....
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    wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    by the way, Ship emotes? eh? i dont care, i want to "filter" that from my game screen.

    we can still use emotes in chats, seeing ship emotes break the game immersion.

    i am sure that emotes can be very offensive in some cultures, it could mean something bad and it not intended meant to insult, that we all knew in chats, but icon emotes.
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    potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I don't have any pearls saved, but let me know when I can turn my 1000 autographs into a Spec point.

    Better use than a ship that will most likely sit in a box only dragged out to troll people who can't get one.

    I've seen some downright disagreeable decisions the company has made, but frankly the Tidal Wave of Butthurt over this is just well over the top.

    Or maybe I am just irked that years ago they put the Fleet Vo'quv and B'rel at Shipyard Tier V and yet Neww T6 ships need less developed Shipyards for their fleet variants....

    Heck looks like we will see a T6 BoP before my fleet finishes its Klingon Shipyard.

    Event Currency being phased out, this game has bigger problems than getting stuck up on that.

    Edit: Now to the Devs, Sell a Package to grant access to disco ball & space emote free instances and I'll shell out some money.
    Thanks for the Advanced Light Cruiser, Allied Escort Bundles, Jem-Hadar Light Battlecruiser, and Mek'leth
    New Content Wishlist
    T6 updates for the Kamarag & Vor'Cha
    Heavy Cruiser & a Movie Era Style AoY Utility Cruiser
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    monkeybone13monkeybone13 Member Posts: 4,640 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Last year I got bored after season 9 launched and took a break, skipping the summer event.

    I was planning on grinding the Luxury Cruiseliner and the new ship this year since I never got last year's new ship.

    I'm fine with pearls being retired and a new currency being required (whoah, that rhymes LoL). I don't have any pearls left over from 2013 anyway, and even if I did I'd still be fine with a new currency.

    What I do have a problem with is the older ships being retired. I got the Corvette for only 4 characters in 2013 and I was planning on getting it for the rest of my characters along with the Cruiseliner and new ship for all of them.

    I think this decision was made to spite our delta recruits. There's still no way to get the Kobali Samsar cruiser for them, not even from the lobi store. Which means delta recruits have no way to complete the console set that goes with the c-store T6 Command Battlecruisers.

    And now we won't be able to get the old Risa ships for our delta recruits and I suspect all 3 breen ships from the winter event later this year are going to be retired. God forbid our recruits ever get any free fun ships to pilot.

    I'll be blunt: if the Corvette and Luxury Cruiseliner are being retired I'm going to skip the event again. I don't give a damn how awesome the new ship is going to be. It's not worth my time.
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    dessniperdessniper Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    With all of these "wonderful" ideas that cryptic has laid before us makes you wonder just what narcotics are legal in San Jose.
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    kylelockekylelocke Member Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    beameddown wrote: »
    BRILLIANT IDEA

    honestly, didn't think that, perfect idea, THEY SHOULD add an option, (cause others already pointed out the prospect of lag caused by all this emote stuff)

    SOLID idea, keep that pushing bro,

    no sarcasm, no joke, great sound idea

    cause really, not everyone wants to see some stupid smile face above a ship, it breaks the immersion, I get that,

    DUDE they gotta do this, this is mandatory- MAKE it optional to even see the effect

    think of when nimoy died? what were folks complaining about? those stupid disco balls, SAME THING there, just make it an option in the menu... "I don't want to dance when a disco ball is dropped" IT JUST MAKES SENSE in an MMO to have that feature

    100000% behind this option (even tho, I love emotes, and will be happy to see them, BUT AGAIN its not about me, its about those that want to play the game and immerse themselves in it, how hard can it really be to have an option to "check" click it off??)

    I'd like to see good emotes. Such as AFK powers down the ship, something tasteful rather than a holographic icon in mid space.
    "I will make the Orion Syndicate face the light of justice or burn them with it." - Captainl Kyle Nathaniel Locke, U.S.S. Excalibur NCC-98105-C
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    ageroth1ageroth1 Member Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    It's a good idea to be pushing for players to stay in the event, however that won't matter at the moment if so many of us can't play on Risa. I need to ask if reinstalling the game might be a solution to the corrupted files.

    As for Risa, I do have to ask why the ships are being pulled at the start of the event, rather than the end. This would give all new players a chance to earn them one last time, along with the new ship. I also like the idea of using a new currency each year, though I'd also like to ask if the new currency can be exchanged for new items following the end of this event or at the start of the next summer event?


    I'm also curious to see if there will be new swimwear available for this year, since it seems to be a hit. Maybe some mix and match items this time?
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    iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    True, but this is a game. What could have been working 6 months ago might not be now, so forward planning in software development cannot always be done by planning ahead and keeping with any decisions or plans that had previously been thought of!

    Games are supposed to feel rewarding. If players did more work than was necessary last year, in anticipation that they would not need to work as much this year, then that says two things to me.

    1: The players in question can be reasonably expected to play this game for another year, if for no other reason than to return next year. If players are complaining about this, then this is more than just the usual "Cryptic bad!" echo chamber, because at the very least the people complaining are expecting to stick around the game for at least another year.

    This is a good thing.

    2: The players in question are smart enough and clever enough to plan ahead. Since this is a positive trait more people should have, then this is something that should be nurtured and planned around -- not planned for.

    If Cryptic sees this as a problem, that says two things to me.

    1: Cryptic does not care (or care enough) whether or not players can be reasonably expected to stick around for another year. This hurts player morale.

    2: Cryptic does not care (or care enough) that players are smart enough or clever enough to plan ahead. This is a bad thing because it punishes the idea that people should think of their own future. In a Star Trek game, I think this sets a bad example ethically, morally, and socially, and in terms of gameplay.

    Yes, I could put money I've earned into investments and they could turn out toxic and worthless. However, there is a reasonable expectation that what I am investing in would net me gains instead of losses.

    If Cryptic is sending a message, it is that they simply are not reliable or dependable on a long-term scale. If the summer/winter events are anything to judge by, it is that Cryptic is saying they do not care if I stick around for another year. That I should not be reasonably expected to believe they are thinking beyond a 6 month timetable.

    They are hurting the faith that the players are putting in them. Players want to know the time and effort they put into the game will pay off for them in the end. Since the Lobi Store allows players to bypass the grind for event ships, then clearly it is intended that players are able to get new ships faster than usual.

    But since this would hurt Lobi Store sales, this is not a matter of time spent in the game -- it is a matter of monetization.

    This is a clear case where monetization is more important than a rewarding gameplay experience. Cryptic, I sincerely believe is deserving of every bit of scrutiny they are getting from this.
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    echelonalphaechelonalpha Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    This seems like a perfectly reasonable change, the rewards for doing these events should feel unique to those that actually participated in that years event.
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    crunn2crunn2 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Ship emotes? what the hell does that mean?
    If I see one pokemon-style emersion-breaking childish cartoon stupid smiley face on my supposed adult trek game there's going to be trouble.
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    dongemaharudongemaharu Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    By the way, is this store exclusive to pearl holders, or will it be available for every new Risan currency from now on?
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    sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Sorry MidlightShadow7, if you're still about, I understand you trying to allay the fears of everyone here but this was a far less than perfect introduction to the summer event this year. I, too, have to take a side of opposition here.

    I understand that there are people who already have "tons" of the pearls... That's cool... If you go right ahead and dedicate your lives to the event thing every 20 hours like clockwork your reward IS to not have to wait around and do more for getting the ship. That can be it's own reward. Some of us, though, barely even squeak through as it is. For us, getting the ship on the last day or so is a MAJOR accomplishment even if it's just to us. So seeing this change, that looks like it only starts with the summer event but I have suspicions will be rolled over into winter and anniversary events I have my own points to make against this news.


    1. If you keep changing the currency every year you also doom the idea that you "want players to play" your new content by them either not participating at all(because then it becomes a yearly "hassle" not a event) or even further compartmentalizing them into not playing any longer than necessary. Either way you'll have people playing STO, regardless of the event going on, and it will do nothing but make the players coming back a frustrated mess because they saved up(as every older blog told them they could) and now they have to start over. This can cause those players to turn right back off from STO, Especially the ones who came back for Delta Recruit.

    2. Why open an exchange market for pearls and not tell us if there is any foresight about then making that store a "summer token exchange" because by admitting that they are changing the currency every year this means that the store as they've just introduced it is ONLY for Risian Pearl exchange. What about the players who have zero pearls? And those who wind up with an excess of new currencies? Putting stuff inthe GPL store? Funny. I've NEVER had the GPL to buy any of the "toys" they put in there for-cost... Will an emot turn into one of those ship holograms at 50k 100K, 250k 500k? HAH! What do I look like a lifeless Dabo Zombie? I'm not and it'll become another toy I'll never touch simply because it's insanely expensive.

    3. Speaking of excess new currency you can almost forget that. As I normally consider myself a casual player, when they introduced the Feature Episodes that gave us 400 [event] tokens at the start of events, I laid back in my chair with approval and and said "Alt friendly indeed.... now I only need to do this on one character and get them to 1k. Then I just have to run the little event game for the 40 on all my other characters and not bother playing any more than I absolutely have to. Then i can go back to leveling my reputation/helping my fleet." Normally those feature episodes were/are tied into specific, time-gated rewards, like the one we have in Blood of the Ancients, and the ONLY characters I've really run that mission on has been my Delta Recruit, for the tech upgrade, and my KDF Orion, for the special reward (Disruptor) being the actual weapon type she uses. Unless the Summer Events Feature Episode(if there is one) is a universal reward, like the Engie console from Delta Flight I don't see myself running off to play that mission for the 400 pearls on every character. Hell I doubt I'd do that even if they DID open the pearl exchange for the other summer currencies unless they added a mark exchange package.

    4. The one thing most people have just missed form the blog, and the design team as a whole, is that they've just admitted to handing us a live shrapnel grenade... That grenade bringing us an explosion in new, quickly outdated, currencies that will just as quickly fill up cryptic's storage debt(something they just cleaned to give us more bank, ship, character, and costume slots) as a grenade in a crowded market fills a hospital. If they do this with the Winter Event and then the Anniversary Event too that's going to be a 3-fold increase in currencies yearly on top of the introduction of all new currencies in the form of reputations, fleet holdings, or what ever other currency for season/expansion ideas they may provide going forward. We already have back-logged exchanges from the conversion of Nukara into the reputation system, the update of Andorian Phasers into the fleet holding upgrades, the Christmas bauble exchange, the Risan Favors exchange, Prototype Console exhange..... Now we want to add up to 3 yearly currencies that go absolutely nowhere after the event too? insane!
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    We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    crunn2 wrote: »
    Ship emotes? what the hell does that mean?
    If I see one pokemon-style emersion-breaking childish cartoon stupid smiley face on my supposed adult trek game there's going to be trouble.

    It's in the blog...

    LL&P: http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/arc/b1/26/b1267c430c3a4eeafbcf55690b4d27e41431539005.png

    Thumbs Up: http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/arc/a5/11/a511b6ce90d62b88330036de9df22f171431474052.gif

    ...as a pair of examples.

    Where there are going to be four packs:
    Starship Emote Pack: "Smile" and "Sad"
    Starship Emote Pack: "Thumbs Up" and "Thumbs Down"
    Starship Emote Pack: "Live Long and Prosper"
    Starship Emote Pack: "Rock, Paper, Scissors"
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    orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    This seems like a perfectly reasonable change, the rewards for doing these events should feel unique to those that actually participated in that years event.

    Reasonable? Changing the currencies, I can live with, this part is 'reasonable'. Inconvienient, yes, though I can understand why Cryptic would do this, they want people to actually do the Event dailies to earn the prize, during the event, and not 'stockpile' resources for next year.

    What is unreasonable is removing the Corvette, and Cruiser, this makes it impossible for new alts to get the ships that our older characters have...

    If Cryptic made the old Corvette, and Cruiser available by some other means outside of the event daily I'd be ok with this, or at the very least less upset with it...:(
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    kylelockekylelocke Member Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    ageroth1 wrote: »
    It's a good idea to be pushing for players to stay in the event, however that won't matter at the moment if so many of us can't play on Risa. I need to ask if reinstalling the game might be a solution to the corrupted files.

    As for Risa, I do have to ask why the ships are being pulled at the start of the event, rather than the end. This would give all new players a chance to earn them one last time, along with the new ship. I also like the idea of using a new currency each year, though I'd also like to ask if the new currency can be exchanged for new items following the end of this event or at the start of the next summer event?


    I'm also curious to see if there will be new swimwear available for this year, since it seems to be a hit. Maybe some mix and match items this time?

    It says that you can exchange the currency for items in the second paragraph and it is fair to say that the Buyback store will change the currency after each event during the maintence period to close it however I can only see things being added such as small boosts.
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    gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    iconians wrote: »
    Games are supposed to feel rewarding. If players did more work than was necessary last year, in anticipation that they would not need to work as much this year, then that says two things to me.

    1: The players in question can be reasonably expected to play this game for another year, if for no other reason than to return next year. If players are complaining about this, then this is more than just the usual "Cryptic bad!" echo chamber, because at the very least the people complaining are expecting to stick around the game for at least another year.

    This is a good thing.

    2: The players in question are smart enough and clever enough to plan ahead. Since this is a positive trait more people should have, then this is something that should be nurtured and planned around -- not planned for.

    If Cryptic sees this as a problem, that says two things to me.

    1: Cryptic does not care (or care enough) whether or not players can be reasonably expected to stick around for another year. This hurts player morale.

    2: Cryptic does not care (or care enough) that players are smart enough or clever enough to plan ahead. This is a bad thing because it punishes the idea that people should think of their own future. In a Star Trek game, I think this sets a bad example ethically, morally, and socially, and in terms of gameplay.

    Yes, I could put money I've earned into investments and they could turn out toxic and worthless. However, there is a reasonable expectation that what I am investing in would net me gains instead of losses.

    If Cryptic is sending a message, it is that they simply are not reliable or dependable on a long-term scale. If the summer/winter events are anything to judge by, it is that Cryptic is saying they do not care if I stick around for another year. That I should not be reasonably expected to believe they are thinking beyond a 6 month timetable.

    They are hurting the faith that the players are putting in them. Players want to know the time and effort they put into the game will pay off for them in the end. Since the Lobi Store allows players to bypass the grind for event ships, then clearly it is intended that players are able to get new ships faster than usual.

    But since this would hurt Lobi Store sales, this is not a matter of time spent in the game -- it is a matter of monetization.

    This is a clear case where monetization is more important than a rewarding gameplay experience. Cryptic, I sincerely believe is deserving of every bit of scrutiny they are getting from this.

    Just finished reading all 47+ pages of this thread.

    Posting to say THIS is the best analysis of the situation yet.

    Also, I know two people who are in the same situation as takeguru. Meaning they only log in weekly and have spent two years working on the risian corvette project. Because the project gets removed at the beginning of the event, not the end, they lose two years of work for nothing. Beingnless than level 60, they can't get spec points either.

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=23834671&postcount=402

    Not a good decision in my opinion.
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    voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Y'know what, every time they make a boneheaded move from now on, I'm not going to bother spending my time shouting in a vacuum. I'll just say "You're fired." and go on with whatever else I was doing. Far more efficient. :)

    You're fired.
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    dashnochrisdashnochris Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Just chiming in to add my voice to the choruses of:

    1) Please give us the option to disable the client-side view of starship emotes, and

    2) Please reconsider the decision to retire older event-locked starships.

    I don't mind a starship being event-locked. Previously, if I missed an event (as I've done with the previous Risian events, due to summertime obligations IRL), it didn't sting so much knowing that I'd get another chance the following year. And the discounting of an event ship's price (when additional alts purchased it after it was unlocked on an account) had me very much looking forward to finally being able to participate in the Risian event this year, as my various alts would have the ability to get the older ships plus the new one if at least 3 of them did the currency grind.

    The retirement of the old Risian ships would seem to foreshadow the same thing happening to other event starships. This would be VERY disappointing, especially for those of us who might be creating a new alt with a backstory specifically geared toward seeing him/her commanding one of those older event ships.

    --Chris
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