Why did you guys even make the event reputation tab? It's pointless now.
Since there is no point accumulation over the course of a year, the Event "reputation" tab has always been worthless, except as a place holder for the current event. If there was actually a "reputation" -style progression, we would get some number of points for each event completed, toward some attractive reward at the end of the year. But of course, Cryptic is too miserly for such a reward system, so place-holder it is...
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Some would say planning ahead for one's future and taking steps now to make life more convenient for yourself later is a positive trait that should be encouraged.
True, but this is a game. What could have been working 6 months ago might not be now, so forward planning in software development cannot always be done by planning ahead and keeping with any decisions or plans that had previously been thought of!
From where I sit Cryptic hasn't "screwed" anyone out of anything.
What exactly is the problem?
I have to disagree here. And this is one of the things i haven't seen really addressed in this thread is the precedent Cryptic is setting here by retiring the Risan ships and a form of 'currency'. Ships that were effectively purchased or earned with money.
Time=money
Keys-Lobi-Pearls=money
Now that they have done this once, whats to stop them from doing it again. Not just with the other seasonal events, winter, anniversary, but with other in game currency. Many billionares in STO have tens of thousand of Lobi. Whats to say that the next lockbox retires Lobi and the Lobi store becomes the (insert new currency here) store. Nothing is stopping them from doing this except player outrage. (not that seems to stop them).
Also now that Risan ships are retired, what other ships are we going to lose? Any event ships that have lingered are certainly on the chopping block. But again whats stopping them there. Such and such c-store ships doesn't sell well, retired. No longer claimable even though you payed money for it. New T6 iconic ship. All old variants retired and only made available in a ship mega pack. The list could go on.
In the end, i earned the 'outdated' Risan ships for those current toons and all my future ones. And was lead to believe i was unlocking something for the life of my account. Now i see thats not true and worries me how 'unlocked' and 'available to all toons' some this content really is.
Regarding grind - I've not played too many MMOs, but those I have played have all been exactly the same - you do X to get Y!
People DID X, Risa event grind, to get Y, 'holiday ship tokens', then get told almost at the last min, nope, we're canceling the ship tokens, you have to do X all over again.
Add this to recent surprises such as "yeah know that do X for Y thing called patrol missions, well now it's do X for 1/2 Y, m'kay?", and Dyson Battle Zone "know that do X for Y liizard hunting thing, now you get less Y for the same X, assuming you get any Y at all", or "know that X for Y doff thing, now it's all X and no Y".
There seem to have been more "Less Y for more X" in the last 3 weeks than in the previous 4 months.
The Risa "Veteran Player Punative X for no Y" announcement is the icing on the cake.
Based of previous Risa Event ships, and speculation on the forums, it's probable that this years ship is one that is no damn use to any of my 4 alts, so should I spend time grinding X for it?
How many other players who might normally be expected to attend the event, won't bother, because theres no point for them. New players drawn in by Delta Recruit, who wont bother getting a ship thats not for them just for a console to make a set, that they can never complete?
Personally, my biggest gripe with this is the spec point sale, widening the gap even further, old alts buying spec points that I'll never see, because the ability to earn them in game has also been subjected to the slash & burn tactics.
Then having widened the gap further than ever, we're told the gap is closing?
Seriously, these moves over the last few weeks do seem like a deliberate policy designed to discourage new Delta Recruit players from staying around.
What exactly is the point of a 'welcome new player' event being followed by a "new players not welcome here' event?
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Oh thank god, I was SUPER worried that I would have to spend the entire summer working to earn a living.
But I guess I can put my worries to rest and play the summer event for 8 hours a day instead.
Thanks Perfect World!
P.S. LOL wait a minute... It tottally splipped my mind that I'll actuall have a full 24 hours a day now to play STO since I won't have to work, derp :P
...I sure hope my mother's basement isn't being rented out to someone else for the summer.
MMOs are always changing how they do things, just because they chose to do something last year does not mean they have to do it again next year.
The same goes for players. Just because they did something in the past doesn't mean they will continue to do it.
Does this drive for "metrics" mean they are trying to make the game appear more popular so that they can get a better price for it? Is Cryptic/PWE planning to sell STO soon and move on to the next project like Cryptic did with City of Heroes?
Oh thank god, I was SUPER worried that I would have to spend the entire summer working to earn a living.
But I guess I can put my worries to rest and play the summer event for 8 hours a day instead.
Thanks Perfect World!
P.S. LOL wait a minute... It tottally splipped my mind that I'll actuall have a full 24 hours a day now to play STO since I won't have to work, derp :P
...I sure hope my mother's basement isn't being rented out to someone else for the summer.
Nice Troll attempt ... but with the current changes there is no point in playing more than 2min/day (oh the horror of playing Videogames for more than 2min) ... so again thank you Cryptic for letting me spend the time on important stuff instead ...
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In a job or business time equals money. In a free to play game time is something you dedicate by your own choice and with no reward other than self-satisfaction. If you are not satisfied with the return you are under no obligation to continue.
So the fact that you see no tangible problem with what they are doing makes you obligated to continue on rambling??
trendy, you failed to make me laugh.
no new ships, and all these "reps" are boring, and "Funless"
Fun is dead, fun got killed, and they say what is Fun?, get back to Grind and give me more money!
that how i percieved.
since they also destroyed fun in Neverwinter, as one of thier player said in NWO forum, it is no longer as MMO or rpg, it becoming more "Refining Simulator" and same for STO is becoming Repuation Simulator and very grindfest.
remember those fun "exploring the Expanses" in randomized encounters, they are fun, it made the game feel more RPG, now it is gone and taken out, becoming funless, all we do is to repeat
same old missions to get 3-4 different sets.
that is poor tactic to pull on players, i dont care if they stockpile on pearls or other items "saving for next year", i dont give a damn if anyone get on first day, we all evently get ours.
i really hate to see some curreincies goes away after end of event, you guys are not thinking of other players who has limited time to play or to partipate the timed events, now they will "AVOID IT" since they knew they get screwed if they spend time trying to earn when the event ended.
due to "summer real life shedules", many were going to local and cross-states conventions, fund-raising cookouts, state/county fairs, camps, and other local festivals and wedding decorations.
it may also drive a final blow for some players to be forced to quit and may never will buy any new brands from Cryptic Studio, it is already ruined, and then PWE got greedy and now it ruined even more.
it made me think that these devs got tired of thier job? if not, then suit guys are playing number games and cant get enough and they want more?
my question is, "Where is RPG Fun?", are you business folks are moving the games to "handheld console phones", away from PC format?
just my opinion, games are meant for fun and entertianment, now these "rep" tactic is unappealing and more grindy and very time demanding in very little timeframe we have.
you folks are thinking without your heart and soul, and your pockets is doing more thinking, maybe that why they laid off these good folks with hearts and kept money grabbers to stay in jobs.
I do not see much of a problem with the Pearls going as it is a fairly good trade off and it won't effect any current progress that has been made on already slotted vessels because players will still get their ship after it is completed. However what does get me is why these ships won't be making a return this year, after all they did a T6 carrier for last year's Christmas event without any problems and I would like to know more about their decision, I'm wondering only out of curiousity.
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Nice Troll attempt ... but with the current changes there is no point in playing more than 2min/day (oh the horror of playing Videogames for more than 2min) ... so again thank you Cryptic for letting me spend the time on important stuff instead ...
I was being sincere you jerk. This game has absolutely no flaws. Its Perfect. That's why they are called PERFECT World. duh!
Given that I've seen at least one clear case of complaining without actually having read through what is being changed and suspect there are an uncomfortable number of posts guilty of the same thing I find this supposition dubious at best.
If they told me that this would be the last year for pearls, I'd get my dailies done, get my ships on my characters, and I wouldn't have bothered making forum posts.
I can only assume other people feel the same way.
Completely invalidating my last 2 years in the summer event with a warning a day before the store opens is not a good way to get my appreciation.
That being said, I'm fine with their reason WHY they're doing it, just not the timeframe they're implementing it in.
Makes me regret spending my money these last few days, that's for sure though.
Thankfully I haven't wasted money on a T6 yet, can't support this kind of decision making.
There was not a single piece of information in that posting that I liked. This is, for myself at least, as I am not presuming to speak for anyone else, very disappointing news.
To each their own of course, although I am already dreading the stupid spam/ship emotes.
I know I know, the space is going to be packed with them the first few months, but thinking long term when the "new toy" weres off, folks will be able to send out a "thumbs up" when a player gets a crit that pops the borg cube, smile when they see a friend
etc, its got a thousand and one uses that are all good
some bad, but I don't think the bad out weighs the good so 100% love the emotes:)
I'm wondering if they can be used to induce performance loss...will folks be able to troll with them.
The "space hands" are a negative to me. I hope there is an option to turn them off. So I don't have to see them.
Like the Subspace Party Amp and it's cure? We'll only see that fix after tens of thousands of posts complaining about the space hands and two or three years have passed.
Then we'll see numerous space hands thrown up in a futile gesture to annoy people before the fix is implemented and their use almost literally dies off...
(As long as they don't cause lag I don't care at this point.)
I know I know, the space is going to be packed with them the first few months, but thinking long term when the "new toy" weres off, folks will be able to send out a "thumbs up" when a player gets a crit that pops the borg cube, smile when they see a friend
etc, its got a thousand and one uses that are all good
some bad, but I don't think the bad out weighs the good so 100% love the emotes:)
if I wanted dumb emojis bugging me I'd buy an apple watch
by the way, Ship emotes? eh? i dont care, i want to "filter" that from my game screen.
we can still use emotes in chats, seeing ship emotes break the game immersion.
i am sure that emotes can be very offensive in some cultures, it could mean something bad and it not intended meant to insult, that we all knew in chats, but icon emotes.
I don't have any pearls saved, but let me know when I can turn my 1000 autographs into a Spec point.
Better use than a ship that will most likely sit in a box only dragged out to troll people who can't get one.
I've seen some downright disagreeable decisions the company has made, but frankly the Tidal Wave of Butthurt over this is just well over the top.
Or maybe I am just irked that years ago they put the Fleet Vo'quv and B'rel at Shipyard Tier V and yet Neww T6 ships need less developed Shipyards for their fleet variants....
Heck looks like we will see a T6 BoP before my fleet finishes its Klingon Shipyard.
Event Currency being phased out, this game has bigger problems than getting stuck up on that.
Edit: Now to the Devs, Sell a Package to grant access to disco ball & space emote free instances and I'll shell out some money.
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Heavy Cruiser & a Movie Era Style AoY Utility Cruiser
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Since there is no point accumulation over the course of a year, the Event "reputation" tab has always been worthless, except as a place holder for the current event. If there was actually a "reputation" -style progression, we would get some number of points for each event completed, toward some attractive reward at the end of the year. But of course, Cryptic is too miserly for such a reward system, so place-holder it is...
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No ---- Like every other "event" they will spend the next 3 weeks fixing the event......
True, but this is a game. What could have been working 6 months ago might not be now, so forward planning in software development cannot always be done by planning ahead and keeping with any decisions or plans that had previously been thought of!
I have to disagree here. And this is one of the things i haven't seen really addressed in this thread is the precedent Cryptic is setting here by retiring the Risan ships and a form of 'currency'. Ships that were effectively purchased or earned with money.
Time=money
Keys-Lobi-Pearls=money
Now that they have done this once, whats to stop them from doing it again. Not just with the other seasonal events, winter, anniversary, but with other in game currency. Many billionares in STO have tens of thousand of Lobi. Whats to say that the next lockbox retires Lobi and the Lobi store becomes the (insert new currency here) store. Nothing is stopping them from doing this except player outrage. (not that seems to stop them).
Also now that Risan ships are retired, what other ships are we going to lose? Any event ships that have lingered are certainly on the chopping block. But again whats stopping them there. Such and such c-store ships doesn't sell well, retired. No longer claimable even though you payed money for it. New T6 iconic ship. All old variants retired and only made available in a ship mega pack. The list could go on.
In the end, i earned the 'outdated' Risan ships for those current toons and all my future ones. And was lead to believe i was unlocking something for the life of my account. Now i see thats not true and worries me how 'unlocked' and 'available to all toons' some this content really is.
Actually the majority of the team will have moved on.
People DID X, Risa event grind, to get Y, 'holiday ship tokens', then get told almost at the last min, nope, we're canceling the ship tokens, you have to do X all over again.
Add this to recent surprises such as "yeah know that do X for Y thing called patrol missions, well now it's do X for 1/2 Y, m'kay?", and Dyson Battle Zone "know that do X for Y liizard hunting thing, now you get less Y for the same X, assuming you get any Y at all", or "know that X for Y doff thing, now it's all X and no Y".
There seem to have been more "Less Y for more X" in the last 3 weeks than in the previous 4 months.
The Risa "Veteran Player Punative X for no Y" announcement is the icing on the cake.
Based of previous Risa Event ships, and speculation on the forums, it's probable that this years ship is one that is no damn use to any of my 4 alts, so should I spend time grinding X for it?
How many other players who might normally be expected to attend the event, won't bother, because theres no point for them. New players drawn in by Delta Recruit, who wont bother getting a ship thats not for them just for a console to make a set, that they can never complete?
Personally, my biggest gripe with this is the spec point sale, widening the gap even further, old alts buying spec points that I'll never see, because the ability to earn them in game has also been subjected to the slash & burn tactics.
Then having widened the gap further than ever, we're told the gap is closing?
Seriously, these moves over the last few weeks do seem like a deliberate policy designed to discourage new Delta Recruit players from staying around.
What exactly is the point of a 'welcome new player' event being followed by a "new players not welcome here' event?
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But I guess I can put my worries to rest and play the summer event for 8 hours a day instead.
Thanks Perfect World!
P.S. LOL wait a minute... It tottally splipped my mind that I'll actuall have a full 24 hours a day now to play STO since I won't have to work, derp :P
...I sure hope my mother's basement isn't being rented out to someone else for the summer.
That's not the issue.
If they had given proper time to this announcement, far less people would be complaining.
Tell us: "This is the last year we're doing pearls, use them now or waste your inventory holding them"
What's so demanding about this, that they have to deploy it merely weeks after making the announcement?
What does Cryptic lose for not waiting a year?
Personally, I won't be spending any time on Risa this year, unless they do something different.
I hope others agree with me and stay away.
The same goes for players. Just because they did something in the past doesn't mean they will continue to do it.
Does this drive for "metrics" mean they are trying to make the game appear more popular so that they can get a better price for it? Is Cryptic/PWE planning to sell STO soon and move on to the next project like Cryptic did with City of Heroes?
Nice Troll attempt ... but with the current changes there is no point in playing more than 2min/day (oh the horror of playing Videogames for more than 2min) ... so again thank you Cryptic for letting me spend the time on important stuff instead ...
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So the fact that you see no tangible problem with what they are doing makes you obligated to continue on rambling??
I suffered through it the first year and never went back.
The chance to get people to TRIBBLE away Lobi getting pearls before they do this to Lobi.
Man, all the complaints about ship emotes are starting to make me want ship emotes.
Cause most of them involve the :rolleyes: smiley...and...that would be an awesome ship emote! :P
no new ships, and all these "reps" are boring, and "Funless"
Fun is dead, fun got killed, and they say what is Fun?, get back to Grind and give me more money!
that how i percieved.
since they also destroyed fun in Neverwinter, as one of thier player said in NWO forum, it is no longer as MMO or rpg, it becoming more "Refining Simulator" and same for STO is becoming Repuation Simulator and very grindfest.
remember those fun "exploring the Expanses" in randomized encounters, they are fun, it made the game feel more RPG, now it is gone and taken out, becoming funless, all we do is to repeat
same old missions to get 3-4 different sets.
that is poor tactic to pull on players, i dont care if they stockpile on pearls or other items "saving for next year", i dont give a damn if anyone get on first day, we all evently get ours.
i really hate to see some curreincies goes away after end of event, you guys are not thinking of other players who has limited time to play or to partipate the timed events, now they will "AVOID IT" since they knew they get screwed if they spend time trying to earn when the event ended.
due to "summer real life shedules", many were going to local and cross-states conventions, fund-raising cookouts, state/county fairs, camps, and other local festivals and wedding decorations.
it may also drive a final blow for some players to be forced to quit and may never will buy any new brands from Cryptic Studio, it is already ruined, and then PWE got greedy and now it ruined even more.
it made me think that these devs got tired of thier job? if not, then suit guys are playing number games and cant get enough and they want more?
my question is, "Where is RPG Fun?", are you business folks are moving the games to "handheld console phones", away from PC format?
just my opinion, games are meant for fun and entertianment, now these "rep" tactic is unappealing and more grindy and very time demanding in very little timeframe we have.
you folks are thinking without your heart and soul, and your pockets is doing more thinking, maybe that why they laid off these good folks with hearts and kept money grabbers to stay in jobs.
you had made me very sad.
or effects causing lag.
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I guess Rhomann Dey was wrong.
I was being sincere you jerk. This game has absolutely no flaws. Its Perfect. That's why they are called PERFECT World. duh!
If they told me that this would be the last year for pearls, I'd get my dailies done, get my ships on my characters, and I wouldn't have bothered making forum posts.
I can only assume other people feel the same way.
Completely invalidating my last 2 years in the summer event with a warning a day before the store opens is not a good way to get my appreciation.
That being said, I'm fine with their reason WHY they're doing it, just not the timeframe they're implementing it in.
Makes me regret spending my money these last few days, that's for sure though.
Thankfully I haven't wasted money on a T6 yet, can't support this kind of decision making.
To each their own of course, although I am already dreading the stupid spam/ship emotes.
I'm wondering if they can be used to induce performance loss...will folks be able to troll with them.
Like the Subspace Party Amp and it's cure? We'll only see that fix after tens of thousands of posts complaining about the space hands and two or three years have passed.
Then we'll see numerous space hands thrown up in a futile gesture to annoy people before the fix is implemented and their use almost literally dies off...
(As long as they don't cause lag I don't care at this point.)
if I wanted dumb emojis bugging me I'd buy an apple watch
Yo dawg, I heard you like lag....
we can still use emotes in chats, seeing ship emotes break the game immersion.
i am sure that emotes can be very offensive in some cultures, it could mean something bad and it not intended meant to insult, that we all knew in chats, but icon emotes.
Better use than a ship that will most likely sit in a box only dragged out to troll people who can't get one.
I've seen some downright disagreeable decisions the company has made, but frankly the Tidal Wave of Butthurt over this is just well over the top.
Or maybe I am just irked that years ago they put the Fleet Vo'quv and B'rel at Shipyard Tier V and yet Neww T6 ships need less developed Shipyards for their fleet variants....
Heck looks like we will see a T6 BoP before my fleet finishes its Klingon Shipyard.
Event Currency being phased out, this game has bigger problems than getting stuck up on that.
Edit: Now to the Devs, Sell a Package to grant access to disco ball & space emote free instances and I'll shell out some money.