Okay...I want a decent Sci ship or Carrier for Romulans...and I'm willing to pay for it! So I should get it then right?
I want Elite Fleet Plasma with a decent second proc...I want Bio-Molecular Plasma weapons.
Two out of three wont take heavy development...
How about more equal factions? How about they don't develop many Fed ships and work on only Romulan and Klingon?How about Feds get nothing exclusive for a year?
Oh...and I want a Scimitar fleet Uniform...or would that be Falchion uniform?
How about some plasma and disruptor wing cannons?
I'm not asking for anything truly unreasonable...and this is all stuff the Feds have...but will I get any of it? No...so I'd like to keep what little my Republic has from being absorbed by greedy Feds...
The plasma weaponry is possible at some point... As for the faction 'disparity' people keep claiming allow me to educate you. 73% of the player base is Federation the remaining 27% is split among the Romulans and KDF. They DO give those factions attention it's just 1/4 of what they give to the Federation faction for obvious reasons. Well obvious to anyone that completed economics and logic in High School. :rolleyes:
So let's do some math shall we? If Cryptic neglects the Federation faction for an entire year and 3/4 of the players leave that means the games revenue drops to almost nothing and either A) Cryptic fires everyone and development slows to a complete standstill or STO shuts down for ever. Probably the latter.
I can just see KDF and Romulan players scream and rage when that happens...
I'll keep my wing cannons and such thank you very much. If you want my unique items it'll cost you some Bridge Officers and battle cloaks. The Feds are simply a diverse faction where you can be almost anything you want. The other factions are more niche. But they get way cooler toys (singularity core, completely universal boff stations, cloak, battle cloak, piracy, Romulan traits etc.) so pull your head out of your **** and smell the roses. Things are perfectly fine.
The plasma weaponry is possible at some point... As for the faction 'disparity' people keep claiming allow me to educate you. 73% of the player base is Federation the remaining 27% is split among the Romulans and KDF. They DO give those factions attention it's just 1/4 of what they give to the Federation faction for obvious reasons. Well obvious to anyone that completed economics and logic in High School. :rolleyes:
So let's do some math shall we? If Cryptic neglects the Federation faction for an entire year and 3/4 of the players leave that means the games revenue drops to almost nothing and either A) Cryptic fires everyone and development slows to a complete standstill for everyone or STO shuts down for ever. Probably the latter.
I can just see KDF and Romulan players scream and rate when that happens...
My point was no matter how light or heavy I wish for I'm not going to get jack...unless Feds get something as well...
So I'm basically saying...get away from my Romulans...you Feds have more than enough junk already...stop stealing everything everyone else has.
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My point was no matter how light or heavy I wish for I'm not going to get jack...unless Feds get something as well...
So I'm basically saying...get away from my Romulans...you Feds have more than enough junk already...stop stealing everything everyone else has.
I edited my post with an extra paragraph ^^ that should answer your argument well enough.
But in case you have difficulty finding it I'll just retate what I said: FED is the faction of diversity where you can be almost anything you want and rightly so since it's the most played faction by FAR. The other two factions are more niche but they also get much cooler toys (singularity powers, completely universal BOFF stations, cloak, battle cloak, enhanced battlecloak, piracy, various other OP space traits)
Your strength is in uniqueness and our strength is in diversity.
I should point out that the OP had nothing to do with game balance and everything to do with the shows portrayal of the Federation. They are a diverse open-minded society that accepts nearly everyone. Much like the modern day United States. In that context it makes perfect sense for a member of nearly any species to be part of the Federation at some point. It is Canon, the highest level of holy scripture for Trekkie nerds. :P
Alright, I got to page 5 before I got bored of reading, but it's still a topic that hits close to home as a KDF-centric player that's been here since a pre-ordered release that was sold as a full-faction before it became a monster faction.
Normally, I'd agree with EVERYONE saying that the Feds have enough and that before adding more content to them, the KDF and RR both need a lot more of a content injection.
HOWEVER
I have a few things to say about this particular issue... First of all, while I want more content for Klingons and in turn the sneaky Rommie bastages can also have more, additional playable races ought not to be on the list. Reason? The KDF are Imperial-minded; all those who are not Klingon are citizens of the Empire only on paper, and are subjugated races for all intents and purposes. Sure, they can be respected and honoured and distinguish themselves in combat, but they are second-class citizens; their inclusion as "official" captains of our ships is a matter of dominance, and their ships being included in the defense force are more to appease entire worlds of a conquered populace. If the Klingons gain any further "member" races, it's because they've been conquered. Who have we outright conquered in the past 5 years?
And the Romulans... Also Imperial in their mindset, with added xenophobia. The Remans are their ONLY truly conquered people, and even within the Republic the best that could be hoped for is that they may serve positions as an important Romulan's right hand. Beyond Remans, even Romulan Farmers would have difficulty trusting any outsider to be a neighbour. An ally in galactic affairs? Okay, they can handle that, it's a new era after all. But a mix of untrustworthy, untested aliens at the helm of the greatest technology and hardware the Romulans have ever created? You'd have better luck convincing the Tal Shiar and Republic to reconcile. I'm sorry, but when you have numerous centuries of xenophobia ingrained as a way of life, it simply won't be discarded in a few years because of a little infighting.
That said, what I think the OP might consider if he's looking for something 'unique' is the following suggestion. Why not push to have an officer exchange that players can participate in? As it is, we have Boff exchanges when reaching max diplomacy/marauding rank. How about Players are required to max that doff rank, and then undergo a mission that allows them to be 'exchanged' to a chosen faction? Though it's unlikely that they'd be able to keep their ships (which would then be locked on their attained side), and instead be granted a ship token upon completing this mission for a T-5 ship, retaining Boffs, currency, and bank items? The migration allowed by such a mission could allow a rather substantial shuffle all across the board.
Barring that, perhaps since the requested species are so easily created as Aliens, the OP simply consign himself (as the rest of us did) to make our own and be content with the appearance - which is about all the specialness that can be shown off.
I edited my post with an extra paragraph ^^ that should answer your argument well enough.
But in case you have difficulty finding it I'll just retate what I said: FED is the faction of diversity where you can be almost anything you want and rightly so since it's the most played faction by FAR. The other two factions are more niche but they also get much cooler toys (singularity powers, completely universal BOFF stations, cloak, battle cloak, enhanced battlecloak, piracy, various other OP space traits)
Your strength is in uniqueness and our strength is in diversity.
Which is exactly what Feds aim to take...till we have nothing unique left and you have everything powerful.
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As an addendum to my initial response in this topic, I'd like to also point out that not all FED players desired KDF/Romulan species strictly to take advantage of certain superior traits, as STO is more than just min/maxing your characters and builds - I myself have a shoddy aliengen Romulan and Cardassian in Starfleet simply for personal headcanon RP purposes.
I don't think the OP is asking for the floodgates to be opened, but rather, the ability to buy other faction's species like with Klingons and Caitians.
I'd also like to ask - what is the worst possible outcome of "the FEDs getting everything the KDF and RRF have"? Apart from simply losing their uniqueness?
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The Federation has always been accepting of all races. Klingons are even a playable race for the Federation. Can we get some more? such as
Orion There have been a few Orions in Starfleet, most notably Gaila in the new alternate timeline "Star Trek".
Orions would be easy to do, as they are already a race. All that would be required would be to port the
race over from KDF to Fed.
You realize that, through the alien race, you can pretty much make you own Orion, right? Unfortunately for most of the people who would want "true" Orion fed characters, loincloths and bikinis aren't exactly part of the Starfleet dress code.
As an addendum to my initial response in this topic, I'd like to also point out that not all FED players desired KDF/Romulan species strictly to take advantage of certain superior traits, as STO is more than just min/maxing your characters and builds - I myself have a shoddy aliengen Romulan and Cardassian in Starfleet simply for personal headcanon RP purposes.
I don't think the OP is asking for the floodgates to be opened, but rather, the ability to buy other faction's species like with Klingons and Caitians.
I'd also like to ask - what is the worst possible outcome of "the FEDs getting everything the KDF and RRF have"? Apart from simply losing their uniqueness?
If the answer isn't as obvious as a slap in the face to you then you're just another greedy Fed and you're a reason why the other two factions suffer.
Feds have sucked the KDF dry like a vampire...why play the KDF when you have taken everything from them?
Why should a new player play the KDF when they can play Feds and have access to all the KDF has and more?
Let me put it simpler for you!
Lets say the KDF has cake, pie, and cookies...but the Federation has cake, pie, cookies, waffles, pancakes, ice cream, various fruits, and all kinda of condiments...why choose just a few options when you can have any desert you want, even healthier options?
There is little reason to make a character other than a Fed...and you just want to greedily take what little reasons there are to for yourself.
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The plasma weaponry is possible at some point... As for the faction 'disparity' people keep claiming allow me to educate you. 73% of the player base is Federation the remaining 27% is split among the Romulans and KDF. They DO give those factions attention it's just 1/4 of what they give to the Federation faction for obvious reasons. Well obvious to anyone that completed economics and logic in High School. :rolleyes:
Before you go toting that TRIBBLE statistic yet again, please consider its ridiculousness in a game where you can make multiple characters of all three factions. I have KDF and FED and RR characters, yet consider myself primarily a KDF-player. Does this translate? Not really, because even though I've relegated my Romulan to little more than a doffer and sometimes-dil-farmer, I take more care in my Fed alt (about 40% of my play-time). Considering the time invested playing that alt, the statistic would lump me in to probably a 40/60 split in time played with my KDF character. Does that mean I want a 40/60 split on new goods for those factions? Nope. I would be happier with a 5/95 % split, as my primary interest is a good, fun KDF experience.
While this could be dismissed as anecdotal, all my RL friends that still play are also this style of demographic, and all the players I USED to play with were like this too.
Before you go toting that TRIBBLE statistic yet again, please consider its ridiculousness in a game where you can make multiple characters of all three factions. I have KDF and FED and RR characters, yet consider myself primarily a KDF-player. Does this translate? Not really, because even though I've relegated my Romulan to little more than a doffer and sometimes-dil-farmer, I take more care in my Fed alt (about 40% of my play-time). Considering the time invested playing that alt, the statistic would lump me in to probably a 40/60 split in time played with my KDF character. Does that mean I want a 40/60 split on new goods for those factions? Nope. I would be happier with a 5/95 % split, as my primary interest is a good, fun KDF experience.
While this could be dismissed as anecdotal, all my RL friends that still play are also this style of demographic, and all the players I USED to play with were like this too.
Most game content is completely faction agnostic, so if you're playing a Federation alt for 40% of the time it is because you decided to invest your entertainment time this way. That means you are 40% of a Federation player. You are likely to purchase a shiny new ship for the alt you're spending 40% of your time developing. You are likely to grind or purchase dilithium to upgrade the gear of the alt you're spending 40% of your time developing. You are going to lengthen your attention to the game when a new specialization tree, reputation, or other end game character building system is added for both your Klingon and Federation player.
You can claim the demographics are bull**** because you don't like what they imply and you can tell us about all the people in your social circle that feel the same. But what you feel in your heart amounts to much less than what you do with your time and money.
Most game content is completely faction agnostic, so if you're playing a Federation alt for 40% of the time it is because you decided to invest your entertainment time this way. That means you are 40% of a Federation player. You are likely to purchase a shiny new ship for the alt you're spending 40% of your time developing. You are likely to grind or purchase dilithium to upgrade the gear of the alt you're spending 40% of your time developing. You are going to lengthen your attention to the game when a new specialization tree, reputation, or other end game character building system is added for both your Klingon and Federation player.
You can claim the demographics are bull**** because you don't like what they imply and you can tell us about all the people in your social circle that feel the same. But what you feel in your heart amounts to much less than what you do with your time and money.
I'm sorry, but why is this still going? There's been really good suggested ideas on how to make alien gen work better in terms of easy to click canon races, and giving it an option to make a Race: "..." tag specifically for aliengen so that it would be different from C-store races while giving the race you create or choose some RP value. That way everyone can benefit and the KDF and RR don't have to feel like there is something being taken away from them.
Honestly, we're all in the same boat at the end of the day. It's not good business to ignore the niche players that want to fly a Rom or KDF anymore than it's good business to ignore the most iconic faction in Star Trek. We should be looking for ways to maintain faction uniqueness while at the same time giving the most to everyone.
Personally, the current state of alien gen isn't bothersome to me in the least, and I certainly don't want KDF clothing options to go to Starfleet when it comes to Orions and the like. It would be too out of place and canon breaking. STO may deviate from canon when the time comes to sell a lockbox or occasionally for story purposes, but for the purposes of RP and some suspension of disbelief or maintaining the illusion, the factions really should stay what they are.
The OP (and myself) are merely asking for certain KDF/RRF species and races to be available as C-store purchases to FED players (the reverse situation of KDF/RRF buying FED races would be nice, too).
Besides, the KDF and RRF have unique missions that won't fit the FED storyline anyway, and we're certainly not asking for FED players to fly KDF warbirds either. Nor are we asking for access to Q'onos or Republic Command.
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Most game content is completely faction agnostic, so if you're playing a Federation alt for 40% of the time it is because you decided to invest your entertainment time this way. That means you are 40% of a Federation player. You are likely to purchase a shiny new ship for the alt you're spending 40% of your time developing. You are likely to grind or purchase dilithium to upgrade the gear of the alt you're spending 40% of your time developing. You are going to lengthen your attention to the game when a new specialization tree, reputation, or other end game character building system is added for both your Klingon and Federation player.
You can claim the demographics are bull**** because you don't like what they imply and you can tell us about all the people in your social circle that feel the same. But what you feel in your heart amounts to much less than what you do with your time and money.
Except that this game is a grindfest. Not only that, it's a resource/time-gated grindfest, which essentially requires the use of alts to get further ahead; to claim that I'm more likely to spend money on an alt because I use it might hold water in a game that doesn't follow this kind of model, but alas, it does, which means I could spend 80% of my time NOT on my main, and I'm still no closer to spending money on my not-main-characters because of the design of the game.
I'm not a Federation player because I spend the time on a Federation alt. I'm a Farmer because I'm spending time on a farming alt. And it still skews the stats.
The OP (and myself) are merely asking for certain KDF/RRF species and races to be available as C-store purchases to FED players (the reverse situation of KDF/RRF buying FED races would be nice, too).
Besides, the KDF and RRF have unique missions that won't fit the FED storyline anyway, and we're certainly not asking for FED players to fly KDF warbirds either. Nor are we asking for access to Q'onos or Republic Command.
I'm curious to know, then, what the OP (and you) would think of the idea of the officer exchange? Considering the character in question would begin as, say, KDF< the player would get to experience KDF gameplay and then through a mission or other unlock become an "exchange officer" for another faction, to foster cooperation. That way players actually get a taste of the faction the character comes from (which may even alter your choice, but probably not), provide team-up availability (or not) for other up-and-coming characters of the original faction, and in the end you get a TRIED & TRUE KDF character (with all the trait perks, but not the clothing) that you can now play with? I find that solution far more agreeable than the proposed "Let's just pay to steal* another faction's race."
*Taking it away like that is essentially a theft of culture, however you want to look at it. Besides, wouldn't it feel better to have earned it in the above way?
I'm curious to know, then, what the OP (and you) would think of the idea of the officer exchange? Considering the character in question would begin as, say, KDF< the player would get to experience KDF gameplay and then through a mission or other unlock become an "exchange officer" for another faction, to foster cooperation. That way players actually get a taste of the faction the character comes from (which may even alter your choice, but probably not), provide team-up availability (or not) for other up-and-coming characters of the original faction, and in the end you get a TRIED & TRUE KDF character (with all the trait perks, but not the clothing) that you can now play with? I find that solution far more agreeable than the proposed "Let's just pay to steal* another faction's race."
*Taking it away like that is essentially a theft of culture, however you want to look at it. Besides, wouldn't it feel better to have earned it in the above way?
Meh, they'll still whine. Why can't anyone just except an updated alien gen that's easier to use and allows for a "race:" section that differentiates between C-store or Faction races and races made by alien gen thereby negating the problems with traits, faction uniqueness, costumes, and simultaneously giving tried and true RP'ers exactly what they've been looking for? Is that too pragmatic of a solution?
The OP (and myself) are merely asking for certain KDF/RRF species and races to be available as C-store purchases to FED players (the reverse situation of KDF/RRF buying FED races would be nice, too).
Besides, the KDF and RRF have unique missions that won't fit the FED storyline anyway, and we're certainly not asking for FED players to fly KDF warbirds either. Nor are we asking for access to Q'onos or Republic Command.
Sure...and it's not fishy at all that the Romulans have desirable racial traits and the Orions have desirable clothing choices? :rolleyes:
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Meh, they'll still whine. Why can't anyone just except an updated alien gen that's easier to use and allows for a "race:" section that differentiates between C-store or Faction races and races made by alien gen thereby negating the problems with traits, faction uniqueness, costumes, and simultaneously giving tried and true RP'ers exactly what they've been looking for? Is that too pragmatic of a solution?
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
I'm curious to know, then, what the OP (and you) would think of the idea of the officer exchange? Considering the character in question would begin as, say, KDF< the player would get to experience KDF gameplay and then through a mission or other unlock become an "exchange officer" for another faction, to foster cooperation. That way players actually get a taste of the faction the character comes from (which may even alter your choice, but probably not), provide team-up availability (or not) for other up-and-coming characters of the original faction, and in the end you get a TRIED & TRUE KDF character (with all the trait perks, but not the clothing) that you can now play with? I find that solution far more agreeable than the proposed "Let's just pay to steal* another faction's race."
*Taking it away like that is essentially a theft of culture, however you want to look at it. Besides, wouldn't it feel better to have earned it in the above way?
I think my own opinions were based mainly on having BOff species from other factions - the player character's race should still be restricted. So I don't see how your player character exchange program is related to this.
Sure...and it's not fishy at all that the Romulans have desirable racial traits and the Orions have desirable clothing choices? :rolleyes:
I couldn't care less what racial traits my BOffs have. I pick BOff species for aesthetic diversity, not a set of stats that tell me how much more pew pew I can get out it. If there's a BOff species I like the appearance of, I'd go out of my to get it, even if it lowers my DPS or whatever.
In the unlikely event I had an Orion BOff, I'd force them into proper Starfleet uniforms.
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I think my own opinions were based mainly on having BOff species from other factions - the player character's race should still be restricted. So I don't see how your player character exchange program is related to this.
A Boff is much different than the character, true, and yeah, my suggestion wouldn't suit you as much as others.
Thing is, you *can* get an Orion Bridge Officer, stats included, already. Max your diplomacy and go claim an exchange officer. Heck, you can even get the skimpy outfit to go with it.
I couldn't care less what racial traits my BOffs have. I pick BOff species for aesthetic diversity, not a set of stats that tell me how much more pew pew I can get out it. If there's a BOff species I like the appearance of, I'd go out of my to get it, even if it lowers my DPS or whatever.
In the unlikely event I had an Orion BOff, I'd force them into proper Starfleet uniforms.
Well, as above, max diplomacy. However, if it's really just about the look and nothing further, I'm tempted to suggest as an alternative what's already been said: go alien. It works perfectly for just the look.
Thing is, you *can* get an Orion Bridge Officer, stats included, already. Max your diplomacy and go claim an exchange officer. Heck, you can even get the skimpy outfit to go with it.
I got max diplomacy prior to LoR, although I never claimed a foreign faction BOff.
The thing is, even if one claims a foreign faction BOff, they are still forced to wear their original faction uniform. This is fine for people who want the skimpy Orion outfit, but other folks might want that Orion to wear a proper Starfleet or RRF uniform.
Well, as above, max diplomacy. However, if it's really just about the look and nothing further, I'm tempted to suggest as an alternative what's already been said: go alien. It works perfectly for just the look.
I already use aliengen for my Romulan (Lt. Chavek, my Security Chief's right-hand man) and Cardassians (Chief Science Officer Lt. Cmdr Corat Remara, Nurse Lt. j.g. Jil Kellat) BOffs, but I can't create a decent-looking Reman Starfleet Engineer*, nor can I change their species description from the disparaging "alien".
I already use aliengen for my Romulan (Lt. Chavek, my Security Chief's right-hand man) and Cardassians (Chief Science Officer Lt. Cmdr Corat Remara, Nurse Lt. j.g. Jil Kellat) BOffs, but I can't create a decent-looking Reman Starfleet Engineer*, nor can I change their species description from the disparaging "alien".
On this I said it while back and it can applly to alien boffs as well.
In the alien gen, add another type in selection, like name or ship name.
Race:______
That has to be filled out before you can accept the changes. Of course it would come with the default, "Alien" there until you typed in what you wanted.
I got max diplomacy prior to LoR, although I never claimed a foreign faction BOff.
The thing is, even if one claims a foreign faction BOff, they are still forced to wear their original faction uniform. This is fine for people who want the skimpy Orion outfit, but other folks might want that Orion to wear a proper Starfleet or RRF uniform.
This might be of interest to you, then, in case you're a little like me.
While I do spend probably more time than I ought to in a tailor for my Fed alt, I *do* create uniforms for both bridge crew and ground crew, and your Exchange Officers are capable of donning any unlocked set armour and thus can look in uniform if that's your thing. For example, my relatively short Fed Human has a towering Gorn Science Officer, and both look like two peas in a pod anyway because they're both wearing customized Voth Armour (as are other, Fed-specific species, so they're all "in uniform").
The part I find most odd (and mildly frustrating) is that my ACTUAL VOTH Science officer is unable to wear anything other than his ugly green tunic - not even his own species' armour (which is being worn by a better reptile, anyway .
On this I said it while back and it can applly to alien boffs as well.
In the alien gen, add another type in selection, like name or ship name.
Race:______
That has to be filled out before you can accept the changes. Of course it would come with the default, "Alien" there until you typed in what you wanted.
While not ideal, this would be a reasonable compromise.
Now all that's left to do is to persuade Cryptic to make proper Reman body parts available via aliengen...
This might be of interest to you, then, in case you're a little like me.
While I do spend probably more time than I ought to in a tailor for my Fed alt, I *do* create uniforms for both bridge crew and ground crew, and your Exchange Officers are capable of donning any unlocked set armour and thus can look in uniform if that's your thing. For example, my relatively short Fed Human has a towering Gorn Science Officer, and both look like two peas in a pod anyway because they're both wearing customized Voth Armour (as are other, Fed-specific species, so they're all "in uniform").
The part I find most odd (and mildly frustrating) is that my ACTUAL VOTH Science officer is unable to wear anything other than his ugly green tunic - not even his own species' armour (which is being worn by a better reptile, anyway .
I prefer not to wear body armor, and instead prefer the new standard Odyssey uniforms - I'm hoping that BOffs one day get additional costume slots so that I can also outfit their paperdolls with the ground expeditionary uniforms too
With the Voth defector Nelen Exil, I personally decided that in his particular case, he was re-assigned as a civilian consultant sent by the Federation Science Council, which would justify him not in uniform. But I'm sure there are perfectly valid reasons for other people who want Exil to be in a Starfleet/KDF/RRF uniform or variants on the Voth armor.
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This is a request to start a discussion regarding the possibility of having 'proper' Gorn, Orion, Reman and Romulan species for the Federation.
Although it may seem like another 'Give Feds everything thread', considering the fact that missions are increasingly being written as cross-faction, and that most of those missions are from a Fed bias, in my opinion my request makes sense.
Also I will be using real-world and Star Trek canon for my argument.
Gorn: during WW2 many Polish created their resistance against Germany (represented as the Gorn Seperatists) while others left and travelled to the UK where they joined the RAF. Using that logic you could have Gorn who joined Starfleet in order to have a proper war machine with which to fight the Klingons and free his/her? people.
Orions: The Orions in-game are represented by the Syndicate. Not every Orion would be part of that group, and not every Syndicate member would be comfortable with Melani D'ian's alliance with the Klingons.
Romulans/Remans: Although the Romulan Republic now exists, it has been 22 years since the Hobus Supernova. As during the Bajoran Occupation I can see the Federation creating refugee camps within its borders for the survivors. A case can also be made for Klingon Remans (the novelverse, which has contributed in small ways to Star Trek Online, highlighted a Klingon-Reman treaty that gave the Remans the protection of the Empire
Doesn't seem like it'll ever happen but I don't see why both factions can't visit each others hubs. War is over, we're allies now and with max Marauding/Diplomacy, why not allow cross faction teaming for BZs and visit all the places that are available to both factions? It'd make it a lot easier for KDF players to team across the board at any rate and would likely boost the KDF population a bit as well because the thing that causes most people to stick Fed is the inability to team with the "opposing" faction.
I disagree with Cryptic's policy of 'one ship fits all factions' stance, and shoehorning Klingons and Romulans into what are Starfleet missions does not work for me either.
I want the factions to be distinct from each other. The only thing Cryptic has not meddled with yet are the races (except for the Fed Klingon race, but that's been in the game for a long time).
So my opinion is: if you want to play Gorn, Romulan or Orion, create a character of the proper faction.
Doesn't seem like it'll ever happen but I don't see why both factions can't visit each others hubs. War is over, we're allies now and with max Marauding/Diplomacy, why not allow cross faction teaming for BZs and visit all the places that are available to both factions? It'd make it a lot easier for KDF players to team across the board at any rate and would likely boost the KDF population a bit as well because the thing that causes most people to stick Fed is the inability to team with the "opposing" faction.
I could really go for the cross faction team thing. Especially after a character completes Fluid Dinamics (I think that is the one where the war between the Feds and Klingons ends).
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The plasma weaponry is possible at some point... As for the faction 'disparity' people keep claiming allow me to educate you. 73% of the player base is Federation the remaining 27% is split among the Romulans and KDF. They DO give those factions attention it's just 1/4 of what they give to the Federation faction for obvious reasons. Well obvious to anyone that completed economics and logic in High School. :rolleyes:
So let's do some math shall we? If Cryptic neglects the Federation faction for an entire year and 3/4 of the players leave that means the games revenue drops to almost nothing and either A) Cryptic fires everyone and development slows to a complete standstill or
I can just see KDF and Romulan players scream and rage when that happens...
I'll keep my wing cannons and such thank you very much. If you want my unique items it'll cost you some Bridge Officers and battle cloaks. The Feds are simply a diverse faction where you can be almost anything you want. The other factions are more niche. But they get way cooler toys (singularity core, completely universal boff stations, cloak, battle cloak, piracy, Romulan traits etc.) so pull your head out of your **** and smell the roses. Things are perfectly fine.
My point was no matter how light or heavy I wish for I'm not going to get jack...unless Feds get something as well...
So I'm basically saying...get away from my Romulans...you Feds have more than enough junk already...stop stealing everything everyone else has.
I edited my post with an extra paragraph ^^ that should answer your argument well enough.
But in case you have difficulty finding it I'll just retate what I said: FED is the faction of diversity where you can be almost anything you want and rightly so since it's the most played faction by FAR. The other two factions are more niche but they also get much cooler toys (singularity powers, completely universal BOFF stations, cloak, battle cloak, enhanced battlecloak, piracy, various other OP space traits)
Your strength is in uniqueness and our strength is in diversity.
Normally, I'd agree with EVERYONE saying that the Feds have enough and that before adding more content to them, the KDF and RR both need a lot more of a content injection.
HOWEVER
I have a few things to say about this particular issue... First of all, while I want more content for Klingons and in turn the sneaky Rommie bastages can also have more, additional playable races ought not to be on the list. Reason? The KDF are Imperial-minded; all those who are not Klingon are citizens of the Empire only on paper, and are subjugated races for all intents and purposes. Sure, they can be respected and honoured and distinguish themselves in combat, but they are second-class citizens; their inclusion as "official" captains of our ships is a matter of dominance, and their ships being included in the defense force are more to appease entire worlds of a conquered populace. If the Klingons gain any further "member" races, it's because they've been conquered. Who have we outright conquered in the past 5 years?
And the Romulans... Also Imperial in their mindset, with added xenophobia. The Remans are their ONLY truly conquered people, and even within the Republic the best that could be hoped for is that they may serve positions as an important Romulan's right hand. Beyond Remans, even Romulan Farmers would have difficulty trusting any outsider to be a neighbour. An ally in galactic affairs? Okay, they can handle that, it's a new era after all. But a mix of untrustworthy, untested aliens at the helm of the greatest technology and hardware the Romulans have ever created? You'd have better luck convincing the Tal Shiar and Republic to reconcile. I'm sorry, but when you have numerous centuries of xenophobia ingrained as a way of life, it simply won't be discarded in a few years because of a little infighting.
That said, what I think the OP might consider if he's looking for something 'unique' is the following suggestion. Why not push to have an officer exchange that players can participate in? As it is, we have Boff exchanges when reaching max diplomacy/marauding rank. How about Players are required to max that doff rank, and then undergo a mission that allows them to be 'exchanged' to a chosen faction? Though it's unlikely that they'd be able to keep their ships (which would then be locked on their attained side), and instead be granted a ship token upon completing this mission for a T-5 ship, retaining Boffs, currency, and bank items? The migration allowed by such a mission could allow a rather substantial shuffle all across the board.
Barring that, perhaps since the requested species are so easily created as Aliens, the OP simply consign himself (as the rest of us did) to make our own and be content with the appearance - which is about all the specialness that can be shown off.
Which is exactly what Feds aim to take...till we have nothing unique left and you have everything powerful.
I don't think the OP is asking for the floodgates to be opened, but rather, the ability to buy other faction's species like with Klingons and Caitians.
I'd also like to ask - what is the worst possible outcome of "the FEDs getting everything the KDF and RRF have"? Apart from simply losing their uniqueness?
If the answer isn't as obvious as a slap in the face to you then you're just another greedy Fed and you're a reason why the other two factions suffer.
Feds have sucked the KDF dry like a vampire...why play the KDF when you have taken everything from them?
Why should a new player play the KDF when they can play Feds and have access to all the KDF has and more?
Let me put it simpler for you!
Lets say the KDF has cake, pie, and cookies...but the Federation has cake, pie, cookies, waffles, pancakes, ice cream, various fruits, and all kinda of condiments...why choose just a few options when you can have any desert you want, even healthier options?
There is little reason to make a character other than a Fed...and you just want to greedily take what little reasons there are to for yourself.
Before you go toting that TRIBBLE statistic yet again, please consider its ridiculousness in a game where you can make multiple characters of all three factions. I have KDF and FED and RR characters, yet consider myself primarily a KDF-player. Does this translate? Not really, because even though I've relegated my Romulan to little more than a doffer and sometimes-dil-farmer, I take more care in my Fed alt (about 40% of my play-time). Considering the time invested playing that alt, the statistic would lump me in to probably a 40/60 split in time played with my KDF character. Does that mean I want a 40/60 split on new goods for those factions? Nope. I would be happier with a 5/95 % split, as my primary interest is a good, fun KDF experience.
While this could be dismissed as anecdotal, all my RL friends that still play are also this style of demographic, and all the players I USED to play with were like this too.
Most game content is completely faction agnostic, so if you're playing a Federation alt for 40% of the time it is because you decided to invest your entertainment time this way. That means you are 40% of a Federation player. You are likely to purchase a shiny new ship for the alt you're spending 40% of your time developing. You are likely to grind or purchase dilithium to upgrade the gear of the alt you're spending 40% of your time developing. You are going to lengthen your attention to the game when a new specialization tree, reputation, or other end game character building system is added for both your Klingon and Federation player.
You can claim the demographics are bull**** because you don't like what they imply and you can tell us about all the people in your social circle that feel the same. But what you feel in your heart amounts to much less than what you do with your time and money.
I'm sorry, but why is this still going? There's been really good suggested ideas on how to make alien gen work better in terms of easy to click canon races, and giving it an option to make a Race: "..." tag specifically for aliengen so that it would be different from C-store races while giving the race you create or choose some RP value. That way everyone can benefit and the KDF and RR don't have to feel like there is something being taken away from them.
Honestly, we're all in the same boat at the end of the day. It's not good business to ignore the niche players that want to fly a Rom or KDF anymore than it's good business to ignore the most iconic faction in Star Trek. We should be looking for ways to maintain faction uniqueness while at the same time giving the most to everyone.
Personally, the current state of alien gen isn't bothersome to me in the least, and I certainly don't want KDF clothing options to go to Starfleet when it comes to Orions and the like. It would be too out of place and canon breaking. STO may deviate from canon when the time comes to sell a lockbox or occasionally for story purposes, but for the purposes of RP and some suspension of disbelief or maintaining the illusion, the factions really should stay what they are.
The OP (and myself) are merely asking for certain KDF/RRF species and races to be available as C-store purchases to FED players (the reverse situation of KDF/RRF buying FED races would be nice, too).
Besides, the KDF and RRF have unique missions that won't fit the FED storyline anyway, and we're certainly not asking for FED players to fly KDF warbirds either. Nor are we asking for access to Q'onos or Republic Command.
Except that this game is a grindfest. Not only that, it's a resource/time-gated grindfest, which essentially requires the use of alts to get further ahead; to claim that I'm more likely to spend money on an alt because I use it might hold water in a game that doesn't follow this kind of model, but alas, it does, which means I could spend 80% of my time NOT on my main, and I'm still no closer to spending money on my not-main-characters because of the design of the game.
I'm not a Federation player because I spend the time on a Federation alt. I'm a Farmer because I'm spending time on a farming alt. And it still skews the stats.
I'm curious to know, then, what the OP (and you) would think of the idea of the officer exchange? Considering the character in question would begin as, say, KDF< the player would get to experience KDF gameplay and then through a mission or other unlock become an "exchange officer" for another faction, to foster cooperation. That way players actually get a taste of the faction the character comes from (which may even alter your choice, but probably not), provide team-up availability (or not) for other up-and-coming characters of the original faction, and in the end you get a TRIED & TRUE KDF character (with all the trait perks, but not the clothing) that you can now play with? I find that solution far more agreeable than the proposed "Let's just pay to steal* another faction's race."
*Taking it away like that is essentially a theft of culture, however you want to look at it.
Meh, they'll still whine. Why can't anyone just except an updated alien gen that's easier to use and allows for a "race:" section that differentiates between C-store or Faction races and races made by alien gen thereby negating the problems with traits, faction uniqueness, costumes, and simultaneously giving tried and true RP'ers exactly what they've been looking for? Is that too pragmatic of a solution?
Sure...and it's not fishy at all that the Romulans have desirable racial traits and the Orions have desirable clothing choices? :rolleyes:
... Nah, that's too easy a solution.
:P
I think my own opinions were based mainly on having BOff species from other factions - the player character's race should still be restricted. So I don't see how your player character exchange program is related to this.
I couldn't care less what racial traits my BOffs have. I pick BOff species for aesthetic diversity, not a set of stats that tell me how much more pew pew I can get out it. If there's a BOff species I like the appearance of, I'd go out of my to get it, even if it lowers my DPS or whatever.
In the unlikely event I had an Orion BOff, I'd force them into proper Starfleet uniforms.
A Boff is much different than the character, true, and yeah, my suggestion wouldn't suit you as much as others.
Thing is, you *can* get an Orion Bridge Officer, stats included, already. Max your diplomacy and go claim an exchange officer. Heck, you can even get the skimpy outfit to go with it.
Well, as above, max diplomacy. However, if it's really just about the look and nothing further, I'm tempted to suggest as an alternative what's already been said: go alien. It works perfectly for just the look.
Yeah, in this case I draw the line at player characters.
I got max diplomacy prior to LoR, although I never claimed a foreign faction BOff.
The thing is, even if one claims a foreign faction BOff, they are still forced to wear their original faction uniform. This is fine for people who want the skimpy Orion outfit, but other folks might want that Orion to wear a proper Starfleet or RRF uniform.
I already use aliengen for my Romulan (Lt. Chavek, my Security Chief's right-hand man) and Cardassians (Chief Science Officer Lt. Cmdr Corat Remara, Nurse Lt. j.g. Jil Kellat) BOffs, but I can't create a decent-looking Reman Starfleet Engineer*, nor can I change their species description from the disparaging "alien".
*I guess there's always Photoshop.
On this I said it while back and it can applly to alien boffs as well.
In the alien gen, add another type in selection, like name or ship name.
Race:______
That has to be filled out before you can accept the changes. Of course it would come with the default, "Alien" there until you typed in what you wanted.
This might be of interest to you, then, in case you're a little like me.
While I do spend probably more time than I ought to in a tailor for my Fed alt, I *do* create uniforms for both bridge crew and ground crew, and your Exchange Officers are capable of donning any unlocked set armour and thus can look in uniform if that's your thing. For example, my relatively short Fed Human has a towering Gorn Science Officer, and both look like two peas in a pod anyway because they're both wearing customized Voth Armour (as are other, Fed-specific species, so they're all "in uniform").
The part I find most odd (and mildly frustrating) is that my ACTUAL VOTH Science officer is unable to wear anything other than his ugly green tunic - not even his own species' armour (which is being worn by a better reptile, anyway
While not ideal, this would be a reasonable compromise.
Now all that's left to do is to persuade Cryptic to make proper Reman body parts available via aliengen...
I prefer not to wear body armor, and instead prefer the new standard Odyssey uniforms - I'm hoping that BOffs one day get additional costume slots so that I can also outfit their paperdolls with the ground expeditionary uniforms too
With the Voth defector Nelen Exil, I personally decided that in his particular case, he was re-assigned as a civilian consultant sent by the Federation Science Council, which would justify him not in uniform. But I'm sure there are perfectly valid reasons for other people who want Exil to be in a Starfleet/KDF/RRF uniform or variants on the Voth armor.
Although it may seem like another 'Give Feds everything thread', considering the fact that missions are increasingly being written as cross-faction, and that most of those missions are from a Fed bias, in my opinion my request makes sense.
Also I will be using real-world and Star Trek canon for my argument.
Gorn: during WW2 many Polish created their resistance against Germany (represented as the Gorn Seperatists) while others left and travelled to the UK where they joined the RAF. Using that logic you could have Gorn who joined Starfleet in order to have a proper war machine with which to fight the Klingons and free his/her? people.
Orions: The Orions in-game are represented by the Syndicate. Not every Orion would be part of that group, and not every Syndicate member would be comfortable with Melani D'ian's alliance with the Klingons.
Romulans/Remans: Although the Romulan Republic now exists, it has been 22 years since the Hobus Supernova. As during the Bajoran Occupation I can see the Federation creating refugee camps within its borders for the survivors. A case can also be made for Klingon Remans (the novelverse, which has contributed in small ways to Star Trek Online, highlighted a Klingon-Reman treaty that gave the Remans the protection of the Empire
Their are ZERO reason to give everything to one faction in muti-faction game.
You want something from another faction roll that facton.
stop asking for everyone else's stuff already.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
I want the factions to be distinct from each other. The only thing Cryptic has not meddled with yet are the races (except for the Fed Klingon race, but that's been in the game for a long time).
So my opinion is: if you want to play Gorn, Romulan or Orion, create a character of the proper faction.
I could really go for the cross faction team thing. Especially after a character completes Fluid Dinamics (I think that is the one where the war between the Feds and Klingons ends).
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