May I ask you something: if you allow whatever race in whatever faction, would it still be STO then?
STO is not canon. STO is a hodge-podge of canon ideas thrown together to make Cryptic and CBS money. People flying Undine ships is not canon - let alone the dozens of other species' ships.
If you can accept that your officer is flying a Wells Tiimeship how can you not accept that your officer is also a member of the Orion race who did not side with the Klingons when they were conquered?
Why is one right and the other wrong?
And as I have pointed out a couple of times, there are many other games which have Factions, that allow you to buy playable species from the other Faction. It is not uncommon in games.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Well, that could very well be, but let's take a look where the Orion are positioned...
In Klingon space, right? :P
The KDF can have Joined Trill Captains. Where are the Trill positioned, again?
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
STO is not canon. STO is a hodge-podge of canon ideas thrown together to make Cryptic and CBS money. People flying Undine ships is not canon - let alone the dozens of other species' ships.
If you can accept that your officer is flying a Wells Tiimeship how can you not accept that your officer is also a member of the Orion race who did not side with the Klingons when they were conquered?
Why is one right and the other wrong?
And as I have pointed out a couple of times, there are many other games which have Factions, that allow you to buy playable species from the other Faction. It is not uncommon in games.
You already have the option though. Just make an alien and be done with it.
The feds already get everything, particularly when you consider the alien gen. As far as Orion clothing goes or something of that nature? That is faction specific and for good reasons. The KDF have more in common with pirates. The Federation is a naval organization, and the RR are a rag tag bunch just getting their **** together.
And you still do not understand that this game is not about Factions. It is about players who want what they want - and that includes using 200 year old Starships which have no place in a 25th Century setting; let alone all the alien ships.
There is nothing realistic or canon going on here. It is simply gamers with money wanting to live out their geekiness. If someone wants to be the first Orion in Starfleet, so be it. If someone wants to be the first Andorian in the KDF, so be it. It is all just about having fun. That vast majority of players in this game do not PvP and there are tons of ways to get to 30k+ DPS without needing Rom Boffs or whatever.
It is a game. People just want to have fun playing it their way rather then just the way you want them to play it.
Oh it is about factions. It's inescapable, actually. It's immediate right there on Character Creation :rolleyes:
Character and faction based uniforms. Then of course the ships. Then there's the missions that are still faction specific. And not to mention the queues that still exist that are faction specific.
The KDF can have Joined Trill Captains. Where are the Trill positioned, again?
The KDF don't have access to a lot of clothing that the feds get either though. Irrelevant argument.
That being said, I've rolled a trill before on KDF and it makes for a fun backstory having read Fleet of Worlds by Larry Niven where I posit that my character has never had contact with anyone outside of the Klingon Empire and everything she knows including language and culture come from the Klingon Empire.
I remember when, in order to make a Klingon, you HAD to have a Fed at least what was it, level 30?
At least that got fixed!
The first thing I did when I got the option FINALLY to make a Gorn Klingon, was to delete my Fed.
And just because they already had far more back then.
Just not right.
Well, here's an idea: delete every and all race save for the Federation, and go from there?
Since basically, it's where this is going at, unless I missed something?
The KDF don't have access to a lot of clothing that the feds get either though. Irrelevant argument.
That being said, I've rolled a trill before on KDF and it makes for a fun backstory having read Fleet of Worlds by Larry Niven where I posit that my character has never had contact with anyone outside of the Klingon Empire and everything she knows including language and culture come from the Klingon Empire.
And maybe someone wants to play an Orion who has never had contact with his species - just as Worf had no contact with Klingons after he was adopted by humans.
The point is lots of people want to do something different. You wanted to have an unusual Trill. Someone else wants to have an unusual Orion, or a Rom Faction who wants to have an unusual Vulcan, like Spock. At the end of the day the game did not break because you were given Trill to play as a KDF. It will not break if the OP is given an Orion to play as a Rom or Fed.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Well, here's an idea: delete every and all race save for the Federation, and go from there?
Since basically, it's where this is going at, unless I missed something?
No, this is not where this is going. This is nothing more then paying customers wanting to do something less common - and being willing to spend money to do so. This is about a KDF player who wants to have an aggressive Andorian as his Captain. A Rom player who wants to have a Vulcan disciple of Spock as his Captain. A Fed player who wants to have an Orion, or whatever.
The races do not make the Factions. The stories played and the ships used make the Faction. The race chosen is just part of the character's story.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
And maybe someone wants to play an Orion who has never had contact with his species - just as Worf had no contact with Klingons after he was adopted by humans.
The point is lots of people want to do something different. You wanted to have an unusual Trill. Someone else wants to have an unusual Orion, or a Rom Faction who wants to have an unusual Vulcan, like Spock. At the end of the day the game did not break because you were given Trill to play as a KDF. It will not break if the OP is given an Orion to play as a Rom or Fed.
And they can do that with the Alien Generator...like I said it's greed...I bet the OP and most others just want the skimpy clothing of the Orions and racial traits of the Romulans...I bet you most people don't give a a flying frigate about the races or their culture...or making some special snowflake.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
No, this is not where this is going. This is nothing more then paying customers wanting to do something less common - and being willing to spend money to do so. This is about a KDF player who wants to have an aggressive Andorian as his Captain. A Rom player who wants to have a Vulcan disciple of Spock as his Captain. A Fed player who wants to have an Orion, or whatever.
The races do not make the Factions. The stories played and the ships used make the Faction. The race chosen is just part of the character's story.
Yeah I saw an Andorian at Klingon academy recently. Looked cool.
I myself, already have a character that's an Orion.... my first actually, made back when you had to get a Fed to level 8 before you could play a KDF char.
Yeah... I decided I wanted to play an Orion before I started playing the game for whatever reason.
And they can do that with the Alien Generator...like I said it's greed...I bet the OP and most others just want the skimpy clothing of the Orions and racial traits of the Romulans...I bet you most people don't give a a flying frigate about the races or their culture...or making some special snowflake.
When I bought the Klingon Captain species I did not look to see what Traits it had - same with Ferengi, Caitian, and the rest. I bought them because I thought it might be cool to have them as playable at some point.
And as I said above, any idiot can get to 30k DPS without a Rom Captain.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
And maybe someone wants to play an Orion who has never had contact with his species - just as Worf had no contact with Klingons after he was adopted by humans.
The point is lots of people want to do something different. You wanted to have an unusual Trill. Someone else wants to have an unusual Orion, or a Rom Faction who wants to have an unusual Vulcan, like Spock. At the end of the day the game did not break because you were given Trill to play as a KDF. It will not break if the OP is given an Orion to play as a Rom or Fed.
My trill can't have access to Fed faction clothing and honestly, I could have made one without species and it wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest. I happened to get the joined trill through either some giveaway or code or something that I had, that's all.
You can make an Orion through the alien gen, so I don't get why this is an issue?
When I bought the Klingon Captain species I did not look to see what Traits it had - same with Ferengi, Caitian, and the rest. I bought them because I thought it might be cool to have them as playable at some point.
And as I said above, any idiot can get to 30k DPS without a Rom Captain.
So then what's the point since you can make them all with the alien gen? The only thing unique about the various species is a name, which is mostly irrelevant, and a trait.
Basically, you're asking for a trait and then doubling back and claiming you didn't want one.
So then what's the point since you can make them all with the alien gen? The only thing unique about the various species is a name, which is mostly irrelevant, and a trait.
Basically, you're asking for a trait and then doubling back and claiming you didn't want one.
Not everyone has the patience to make an alien. My main is the Efrosian from my avatar. I cannot tell you how frustrating it was for me to make him. I would buy an Efrosian in a heartbeat rather then go through the alien template again. But that is just me.
And I will point out, again, that I am not asking for Traits or clothing. I was simply reaffirming the idea that not everyone PvPs in STO and most do not really focus on the numbers side of the game. Most are just here wanting to play whatever makes them feel cool while they are playing - same for races as ships. I am still flying my Fleet Sovereign even though there are many new T6 ships which are probably mathematically better. Most of us do not need the best of something to have fun playing STO.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Not everyone has the patience to make an alien. My main is the Efrosian from my avatar. I cannot tell you how frustrating it was for me to make him. I would buy an Efrosian in a heartbeat rather then go through the alien template again. But that is just me.
And I will point out, again, that I am not asking for Traits or clothing. I was simply reaffirming the idea that not everyone PvPs in STO and most do not really focus on the numbers side of the game. Most are just here wanting to play whatever makes them feel cool while they are playing - same for races as ships. I am still flying my Fleet Sovereign even though there are many new T6 ships which are probably mathematically better. Most of us do not need the best of something to have fun playing STO.
Actually, there's an idea wrapped in your post that I totally can support. There should be a way to just click a species in alien gen specifically. That way, you aren't constrained to the trouble it takes to make one of them and get them exactly correct. I'd welcome that.
So, if you could go into alien gen and just click "Orion" would you be alright with that? That way it isn't an official race of the Federation, but clearly a unique character in the mix much like Warf, Data, Spock*, Nelix, Seven, Odo, etc.?
*with the exception of T'Pal in Enterprise, I was always given the impression that Vulcans avoided Starfleet like the plague until after Spock.
Actually, there's an idea wrapped in your post that I totally can support. There should be a way to just click a species in alien gen specifically. That way, you aren't constrained to the trouble it takes to make one of them and get them exactly correct. I'd welcome that.
So, if you could go into alien gen and just click "Orion" would you be alright with that? That way it isn't an official race of the Federation, but clearly a unique character in the mix much like Warf, Data, Spock*, Nelix, Seven, Odo, etc.?
*with the exception of T'Pal in Enterprise, I was always given the impression that Vulcans avoided Starfleet like the plague until after Spock.
I've already seen Talaxian's KDF side. From my understanding these are lifer subs rewards. As far as Orion goes. You can MAKE one already. It's just a green skinned human. I've seen people who have done this already to make an Orion on teh Federations side. In totality they're probably better off using it that way. The Orion passives are, well, not the best. And Seduce is situational use at best. I don't mind it one bit that someone did this. As far as them getting the actual Orion clothing. We'll, leave that to the KDF.
Federation Klingons can already be bought in the C-Store.
Spock, half-vulcan. Can either use Vulcan(much advised here) or the alien template.
Data, meh... just play a human with no emotions.
Seven, again, Liberated Borg in the C-Store.
Changelings... no, we'll just leave them on the other side of the worm hole.
Using the Alien template, all you're losing, other than COSTUMES, is that races sub-optimal racial passives. Its a bit more time consuming to create the race you're after. But if you're serious about actully playing it, and not after the Costumes, the passives, the ships, or gear.
And if you aren't actually serious enough to make the character. Why give people the Option to easy create and alien? And yes I know how time consuming creating a race via alien is. I've created two. One a Federatin Romulan from back before The Romulan Rep and New Romulus was introduced in to the game and one that I made for well just for the sake of making it.
So yes, when you boil it down, what people really want are the passives, the clothes, the gear, and the ships. And as long as they can get that and still play as a full time Federation Officer, they're happy. Because let's face it. Where in this post do you see any KDF or Romulan Players asking for anything from the other Factions? Sure both could use more ships and races. Is it likely to happen, no. But we aren't asking for anything the Federation has.
Unless you have a lifetime subscription then the race numbers are
Fed = 17 (3 as premium unlocks)
Kdf = 8 (2 as premium unlock)
Rom = 3 (1 as premium unlock or award for completing T5 Rom rep)
As Both Liberated Borg and Talaxians are LTS only
STO is not canon. STO is a hodge-podge of canon ideas thrown together to make Cryptic and CBS money. People flying Undine ships is not canon - let alone the dozens of other species' ships.
If you can accept that your officer is flying a Wells Tiimeship how can you not accept that your officer is also a member of the Orion race who did not side with the Klingons when they were conquered?
Why is one right and the other wrong?
And as I have pointed out a couple of times, there are many other games which have Factions, that allow you to buy playable species from the other Faction. It is not uncommon in games.
The Orions were not conquered....
The Orion syndicate leader Melani D'ian opened negotiations for assistance with the Breen Confederacy and the Klingon Empire in 2388. In 2394 the Orions and Klingons signed a treaty allowing the syndicate to rule Ter'jas Mor as a vassal state to the empire.
Neither were the Nausicaans....
In 2405 the Nausicaans sign a nonaggression pact with the Klingon Empire.
Or the Letheans.....
Seeing the rising strength of the Klingon Empire, the Letheans have offered their services to J'mpok. They have not been granted full citizenship, however, and continue to look for ways to prove their worth.
Ferasans.....(simply a counter balance to Caitians in the Federation)
The fierce Ferasans have joined the Klingon Defense Force!
Starting this Thursday (May 17, 2012), around 10AM PDT, the KDF's new Ferasan playable species and Bridge Officers will be available
Gorn Hegemony is the only conquered member of the empire....
The Gorn Hegemony falls to the Klingon Empire in 2403 after an orbital blockade.
No, this is not where this is going. This is nothing more then paying customers wanting to do something less common - and being willing to spend money to do so. This is about a KDF player who wants to have an aggressive Andorian as his Captain. A Rom player who wants to have a Vulcan disciple of Spock as his Captain. A Fed player who wants to have an Orion, or whatever.
The races do not make the Factions. The stories played and the ships used make the Faction. The race chosen is just part of the character's story.
And the aggressive Andorian, Romulan Vulcan and Fed Orion would and can be created in the alien gen you just don't get the species specific unlock.
And when the rogue Orion captain in Starfleet decides that since they were given access to the Orions as a Playable species then they should have access to their species ships?
The Races do make the Faction which is why they are called the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Republic.
I've already seen Talaxian's KDF side. From my understanding these are lifer subs rewards. As far as Orion goes. You can MAKE one already. It's just a green skinned human. I've seen people who have done this already to make an Orion on teh Federations side. In totality they're probably better off using it that way. The Orion passives are, well, not the best. And Seduce is situational use at best. I don't mind it one bit that someone did this. As far as them getting the actual Orion clothing. We'll, leave that to the KDF.
Federation Klingons can already be bought in the C-Store.
Spock, half-vulcan. Can either use Vulcan(much advised here) or the alien template.
Data, meh... just play a human with no emotions.
Seven, again, Liberated Borg in the C-Store.
Changelings... no, we'll just leave them on the other side of the worm hole.
Using the Alien template, all you're losing, other than COSTUMES, is that races sub-optimal racial passives. Its a bit more time consuming to create the race you're after. But if you're serious about actully playing it, and not after the Costumes, the passives, the ships, or gear.
And if you aren't actually serious enough to make the character. Why give people the Option to easy create and alien? And yes I know how time consuming creating a race via alien is. I've created two. One a Federatin Romulan from back before The Romulan Rep and New Romulus was introduced in to the game and one that I made for well just for the sake of making it.
So yes, when you boil it down, what people really want are the passives, the clothes, the gear, and the ships. And as long as they can get that and still play as a full time Federation Officer, they're happy. Because let's face it. Where in this post do you see any KDF or Romulan Players asking for anything from the other Factions? Sure both could use more ships and races. Is it likely to happen, no. But we aren't asking for anything the Federation has.
You do realize that my post was in agreement with everything you just said right? I was arguing with someone else asking for Fed side races.
As far as the species you just listed off, I didn't include them to be used as races, but as examples of why you shouldn't get Orions with Orion clothing, because your character would be just that unique.
You do realize that my post was in agreement with everything you just said right? I was arguing with someone else asking for Fed side races.
As far as the species you just listed off, I didn't include them to be used as races, but as examples of why you shouldn't get Orions with Orion clothing, because your character would be just that unique.
Yes, but after 11 years in the US Army. I found that a K.I.S.S. breakdown works better. Think of it as a power point presentation.. DEATH BY POWER POINT!
K.I.S.S.
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
Make it easier for people to understand you see. So I borrowed your post for it.
Yes, but after 11 years in the US Army. I found that a K.I.S.S. breakdown works better. Think of it as a power point presentation.. DEATH BY POWER POINT!
K.I.S.S.
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
Make it easier for people to understand you see. So I borrowed your post for it.
Actually, there's an idea wrapped in your post that I totally can support. There should be a way to just click a species in alien gen specifically. That way, you aren't constrained to the trouble it takes to make one of them and get them exactly correct. I'd welcome that.
So, if you could go into alien gen and just click "Orion" would you be alright with that? That way it isn't an official race of the Federation, but clearly a unique character in the mix much like Warf, Data, Spock*, Nelix, Seven, Odo, etc.?
*with the exception of T'Pal in Enterprise, I was always given the impression that Vulcans avoided Starfleet like the plague until after Spock.
I have no issues with that, but that is essentially what buying races does. When you buy a Klingon as a Fed you do not get Klingon clothing - other then a baldric. You must dress him in Fed clothing. So I am really not seeing much of a difference here. Charge me $5.00 to play as a Gorn. I am fine with that. As i said, this is a common practice in many Faction-based games - such as being able to play a Chiss Jedi in SWTOR or a Sith Twi'lek.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
If you buy the Joined Trill in the C-Store. Orions aren't a C-Store Race.
And what the OP was asking for was a way to buy them in the C-Store, just like the Joined Trill, Caitian, etc. The Ferengi, Caitians, Joined Trill, etc were not in the C-Store either, until they were added.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The Races do make the Faction which is why they are called the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Republic.
And yet you can currently play a Joined Trill in the KDF and a Klingon in the Federation, so it must not really matter all that much after all.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The Syndicate is not the Orion Government, this is one of the absurdities of STO were in order to add a playable race to the Klingon Defense Force they come with that ... "idea".
Now this would been so bad if they actually done something with it instead of just remember from time to time about it, there is a lot of potential on both the Orion Syndicate and Gorn in the Klingon Empire but we just get some hints.
And even with the Treaty in 2394 the first thing Melani D'ian did was send 1,500 Orion females to server in the great house.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I didnt want to bring this up but if I recall Joined Trill were a Digital Deluxe bonus and also they were a Federation only option, Cryptic then changed so they could be KDF (and this is why Joined Trills long ago were the only ones with Kit and armor visuals in the whole of the KDF) since it was the only bonus that was fraction restricted.
I know why they are there. My point is if you can suspend disbelief to play a Joined Trill, Talaxian, alien concoction, whatever in the KDF and have it still make sense to the game canon and story then it is not a huge stretch to suspend disbelief for an Andorian, Vulcan, whatever. And the same is true for the Fed and Rom Factions.
At the end of the day it being called the Klingon Empire, or Romulan Republic, or Federation means nothing to the playable character - or even Boffs when you consider Diplomacy trades and various Mission rewards like the Hirogen, Reman, etc. The game really does not care what you are playing.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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If you can accept that your officer is flying a Wells Tiimeship how can you not accept that your officer is also a member of the Orion race who did not side with the Klingons when they were conquered?
Why is one right and the other wrong?
And as I have pointed out a couple of times, there are many other games which have Factions, that allow you to buy playable species from the other Faction. It is not uncommon in games.
If only it were more canon.
It would attract FAR more people then.
But you're right, it's almost a circus attraction.
You already have the option though. Just make an alien and be done with it.
The feds already get everything, particularly when you consider the alien gen. As far as Orion clothing goes or something of that nature? That is faction specific and for good reasons. The KDF have more in common with pirates. The Federation is a naval organization, and the RR are a rag tag bunch just getting their **** together.
Oh it is about factions. It's inescapable, actually. It's immediate right there on Character Creation :rolleyes:
Character and faction based uniforms. Then of course the ships. Then there's the missions that are still faction specific. And not to mention the queues that still exist that are faction specific.
The KDF don't have access to a lot of clothing that the feds get either though. Irrelevant argument.
That being said, I've rolled a trill before on KDF and it makes for a fun backstory having read Fleet of Worlds by Larry Niven where I posit that my character has never had contact with anyone outside of the Klingon Empire and everything she knows including language and culture come from the Klingon Empire.
At least that got fixed!
The first thing I did when I got the option FINALLY to make a Gorn Klingon, was to delete my Fed.
And just because they already had far more back then.
Just not right.
Well, here's an idea: delete every and all race save for the Federation, and go from there?
Since basically, it's where this is going at, unless I missed something?
The point is lots of people want to do something different. You wanted to have an unusual Trill. Someone else wants to have an unusual Orion, or a Rom Faction who wants to have an unusual Vulcan, like Spock. At the end of the day the game did not break because you were given Trill to play as a KDF. It will not break if the OP is given an Orion to play as a Rom or Fed.
The races do not make the Factions. The stories played and the ships used make the Faction. The race chosen is just part of the character's story.
And they can do that with the Alien Generator...like I said it's greed...I bet the OP and most others just want the skimpy clothing of the Orions and racial traits of the Romulans...I bet you most people don't give a a flying frigate about the races or their culture...or making some special snowflake.
I myself, already have a character that's an Orion.... my first actually, made back when you had to get a Fed to level 8 before you could play a KDF char.
Yeah... I decided I wanted to play an Orion before I started playing the game for whatever reason.
My character Tsin'xing
And as I said above, any idiot can get to 30k DPS without a Rom Captain.
My trill can't have access to Fed faction clothing and honestly, I could have made one without species and it wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest. I happened to get the joined trill through either some giveaway or code or something that I had, that's all.
You can make an Orion through the alien gen, so I don't get why this is an issue?
So then what's the point since you can make them all with the alien gen? The only thing unique about the various species is a name, which is mostly irrelevant, and a trait.
Basically, you're asking for a trait and then doubling back and claiming you didn't want one.
Hmmm, maybe they should make a butt-naked Orion... I'll bet THAT would sell big time. XD
And I will point out, again, that I am not asking for Traits or clothing. I was simply reaffirming the idea that not everyone PvPs in STO and most do not really focus on the numbers side of the game. Most are just here wanting to play whatever makes them feel cool while they are playing - same for races as ships. I am still flying my Fleet Sovereign even though there are many new T6 ships which are probably mathematically better. Most of us do not need the best of something to have fun playing STO.
Actually, there's an idea wrapped in your post that I totally can support. There should be a way to just click a species in alien gen specifically. That way, you aren't constrained to the trouble it takes to make one of them and get them exactly correct. I'd welcome that.
So, if you could go into alien gen and just click "Orion" would you be alright with that? That way it isn't an official race of the Federation, but clearly a unique character in the mix much like Warf, Data, Spock*, Nelix, Seven, Odo, etc.?
*with the exception of T'Pal in Enterprise, I was always given the impression that Vulcans avoided Starfleet like the plague until after Spock.
If you buy the Joined Trill in the C-Store. Orions aren't a C-Store Race.
I've already seen Talaxian's KDF side. From my understanding these are lifer subs rewards. As far as Orion goes. You can MAKE one already. It's just a green skinned human. I've seen people who have done this already to make an Orion on teh Federations side. In totality they're probably better off using it that way. The Orion passives are, well, not the best. And Seduce is situational use at best. I don't mind it one bit that someone did this. As far as them getting the actual Orion clothing. We'll, leave that to the KDF.
Federation Klingons can already be bought in the C-Store.
Spock, half-vulcan. Can either use Vulcan(much advised here) or the alien template.
Data, meh... just play a human with no emotions.
Seven, again, Liberated Borg in the C-Store.
Changelings... no, we'll just leave them on the other side of the worm hole.
Using the Alien template, all you're losing, other than COSTUMES, is that races sub-optimal racial passives. Its a bit more time consuming to create the race you're after. But if you're serious about actully playing it, and not after the Costumes, the passives, the ships, or gear.
And if you aren't actually serious enough to make the character. Why give people the Option to easy create and alien? And yes I know how time consuming creating a race via alien is. I've created two. One a Federatin Romulan from back before The Romulan Rep and New Romulus was introduced in to the game and one that I made for well just for the sake of making it.
So yes, when you boil it down, what people really want are the passives, the clothes, the gear, and the ships. And as long as they can get that and still play as a full time Federation Officer, they're happy. Because let's face it. Where in this post do you see any KDF or Romulan Players asking for anything from the other Factions? Sure both could use more ships and races. Is it likely to happen, no. But we aren't asking for anything the Federation has.
Fed = 17 (3 as premium unlocks)
Kdf = 8 (2 as premium unlock)
Rom = 3 (1 as premium unlock or award for completing T5 Rom rep)
As Both Liberated Borg and Talaxians are LTS only
The Orions were not conquered....
The Orion syndicate leader Melani D'ian opened negotiations for assistance with the Breen Confederacy and the Klingon Empire in 2388. In 2394 the Orions and Klingons signed a treaty allowing the syndicate to rule Ter'jas Mor as a vassal state to the empire.
Neither were the Nausicaans....
In 2405 the Nausicaans sign a nonaggression pact with the Klingon Empire.
Or the Letheans.....
Seeing the rising strength of the Klingon Empire, the Letheans have offered their services to J'mpok. They have not been granted full citizenship, however, and continue to look for ways to prove their worth.
Ferasans.....(simply a counter balance to Caitians in the Federation)
The fierce Ferasans have joined the Klingon Defense Force!
Starting this Thursday (May 17, 2012), around 10AM PDT, the KDF's new Ferasan playable species and Bridge Officers will be available
Gorn Hegemony is the only conquered member of the empire....
The Gorn Hegemony falls to the Klingon Empire in 2403 after an orbital blockade.
And the aggressive Andorian, Romulan Vulcan and Fed Orion would and can be created in the alien gen you just don't get the species specific unlock.
And when the rogue Orion captain in Starfleet decides that since they were given access to the Orions as a Playable species then they should have access to their species ships?
The Races do make the Faction which is why they are called the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Republic.
You do realize that my post was in agreement with everything you just said right? I was arguing with someone else asking for Fed side races.
As far as the species you just listed off, I didn't include them to be used as races, but as examples of why you shouldn't get Orions with Orion clothing, because your character would be just that unique.
Yes, but after 11 years in the US Army. I found that a K.I.S.S. breakdown works better. Think of it as a power point presentation.. DEATH BY POWER POINT!
K.I.S.S.
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
Make it easier for people to understand you see. So I borrowed your post for it.
Right, right. I like
At the end of the day it being called the Klingon Empire, or Romulan Republic, or Federation means nothing to the playable character - or even Boffs when you consider Diplomacy trades and various Mission rewards like the Hirogen, Reman, etc. The game really does not care what you are playing.