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  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    nightken wrote: »
    Feds don't need everything. Leave something for the other factions.

    Their are ZERO reason to give everything to one faction in muti-faction game.

    You want something from another faction roll that facton.

    stop asking for everyone else's stuff already.

    There is also no reason for using "their" instead of "there" in that sentence, yet you did.
  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    There is also no reason for using "their" instead of "there" in that sentence, yet you did.


    Actually I have two.

    1. My grammar sucks.

    2. I just got off a shift at the factory were I work so I'm not paying as much attention to the auto correct on my tablet as I should.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'd be fine with Starfleet Orions, as long as they do not get access to the Orion uniforms on Fed side. They would be like the Starfleet Klingons already available.

    Gorn uniform problems would make it a lot harder to convert them to Starfleet in game.
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    There is also no reason for using "their" instead of "there" in that sentence, yet you did.

    There is also zero reason for pointing out a small error in a sentence that did not prevent me (non-native english) from understanding said sentence. It just serves no point really other than to annoy another person.


    As for the OP. One, the KDF does NOT equal TRIBBLE-Germany. They originally were the USSR of Star Trek, then they turned to some kind of Feudal Japan. They never were people to commit genocide (discounting the Tribbles), have a fascist government, a totalitarian state and so on.

    Two, the Federation is no longer at war with the Klingons. To be fighting their ally (which they are with Heralds whooping peoples butts all over the quadrant) for a separatist group that has also attacked the Romulan Republic (see Tau Dewa patrols), a Federation ally, would be kind of dumb really. The Gorn we do play are members of the KDF by choice, they are not the insurgency. So there really is absolutely zero storyline foundation for Gorn Fed.

    Three. Orions. They never were a part of the Federation. Except for a few doffs and boffs, they never joined Starfleet. That Orions don't agree with D'ian and the Empire on occasion should be obvious (look at Nimbus for example). But that doesn't mean they will join Starfleet en masse. Or that Starfleet would be accepting them for that matter.

    Four. Romulans and Remans? You do realize these are the only two unique species inside that faction, right? The rest are liberated borg and alien, which are in both other factions as well. The refugee camp thing in fed space makes sence. But those people would probably simply remain in those camps/colonies over time, farm here, govern there. They would be a close, inward group, not keen on fighting for Starfleet. The Remans are now part of the Taris faction, Obisek faction, regular settelers or part of the Flotilla. I don't see them joining Starfleet. Not even the KDF, they have no history together at all.
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    robert359 wrote: »
    I could really go for the cross faction team thing. Especially after a character completes Fluid Dinamics (I think that is the one where the war between the Feds and Klingons ends).

    to a certain extent I agree with this, there are many instances where cross faction teaming would make sense like new rom & nimbus 3.
    but blanket cross faction teaming I would say no, although the current war is over it is not the first conflict and I dare say it may not be the last.
    fed<>kdf wars come and go like the seasons, sure we are all friends now, but will it last? maybe, maybe not.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited May 2015
    phalanx01 wrote: »
    Doesn't seem like it'll ever happen but I don't see why both factions can't visit each others hubs. War is over, we're allies now and with max Marauding/Diplomacy, why not allow cross faction teaming for BZs and visit all the places that are available to both factions? It'd make it a lot easier for KDF players to team across the board at any rate and would likely boost the KDF population a bit as well because the thing that causes most people to stick Fed is the inability to team with the "opposing" faction.



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  • olliereportolliereport Member Posts: 721
    edited May 2015
    nightken wrote: »
    Feds don't need everything. Leave something for the other factions.

    Their are ZERO reason to give everything to one faction in muti-faction game.

    You want something from another faction roll that facton.

    stop asking for everyone else's stuff already.

    agree

    and no grammar slammer, this is a quick-form discussion, one step away from texting, argue the idea
  • dmtdmt Member Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    To rahmkota19:

    I don't see the Kingons as TRIBBLE-Germany, I see the Gorn as a defeated people living right next to a superpower (The Federation) that is willing to go to war for them.

    Secondly, which Orions on Nimbus aren't with the Syndicate. The big bad Orion (Hassan) is one of the higher-ranking members, taking orders only from Melani D'ian.

    Thirdly, the backstory for STO, states that the Federation, as of 2398, allows for dual citizenship.
  • olliereportolliereport Member Posts: 721
    edited May 2015
    you know, you can already make an alien char into just about everything

    as for gorn, no, our gorn are sacred

    the gorn are unapologetically unequivocally KDF, the world would be a poorer place if the ethos was diluted

    I mean look at those teeth, it looks like they eat people or something, that just can't be fed

    though it was awesome when they would show up in your club for dancing
  • olliereportolliereport Member Posts: 721
    edited May 2015
    KDF have long been written as stand ins for russia, not old TRIBBLE-germany. other world events got written in other ways too.

    it's a pity the tv show and movies are kind of dead, there's lots of source material. rise of russia and thug diplomacy. rise of china, russia/china alliance. religious extremism/fanaticism.
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    dmt wrote: »
    To rahmkota19:

    I don't see the Kingons as TRIBBLE-Germany, I see the Gorn as a defeated people living right next to a superpower (The Federation) that is willing to go to war for them.

    Secondly, which Orions on Nimbus aren't with the Syndicate. The big bad Orion (Hassan) is one of the higher-ranking members, taking orders only from Melani D'ian.

    Thirdly, the backstory for STO, states that the Federation, as of 2398, allows for dual citizenship.

    A friendly discussion. I like.

    The Gorn are not just defeated. They are annexated and intergrated in the Klingon Empire. There are thousands of Gorn in the KDF voluntary. There are fleets of Gorn ships doing the will of the Empire. The KDF fleet itself even uses Gorn ships for Klingon captains. Heck, the most frequently spotted Ambassador for the Empire is S'taass, a Gorn.
    The Empire, which annexated and intergrated the Gorn, is a major power, not a superpower. But neither is the Federation. And the two happen to be each others allies. Which means the Federation has come to accept the annexation of Gornar by the Empire.
    All that is left of an independent hegemony is a small, insignificant rebellion, which harrasses a couple of Republic Warbirds, fails miserably in attacking a Klingon Fleet Starbase, and USED to own a single canyon on Nimbus III. Thats it.

    Orions, my point exactly. SOmetimes, the Syndicate works with the Empire. And sometimes, they fight each other. Being Orion does not mean being KDF. For many, it means Syndicate membership, which can mean fighting the Empire. Like on Nimbus III, where Orions fight Orions, as in KDF versus Syndicate. And if I recall my background story, didnt' D'ian ally all the Orions with the Empire in exchange for a homeworld? Which is where you would find the rest of the Orions. Not in Starfleet.

    As for the dual citizenship, point taken. Doesn't mean we see Gorn, Orions, Romulans or Remans joining Starfleet.
  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    phalanx01 wrote: »
    Doesn't seem like it'll ever happen but I don't see why both factions can't visit each others hubs. War is over, we're allies now and with max Marauding/Diplomacy, why not allow cross faction teaming for BZs and visit all the places that are available to both factions? It'd make it a lot easier for KDF players to team across the board at any rate and would likely boost the KDF population a bit as well because the thing that causes most people to stick Fed is the inability to team with the "opposing" faction.

    I have to agree with this, it basically says it all.

    I do, however, disagree about Cryptic's decision to end the war, that seems more like a case of Cryptic not wanting to make KDF specific missions so let's just end the hostilities and make everyone play the same ones... not 100% happy with that.

    We can all hope once this Iconian War ends the Klingons will want to start up again with the Federation.

    I would play my KDF toons more often, but with the current state of the faction it's looking more and more like a 'splinter faction' of the Federation, except without the hot Akira class starships... :P

    Oh, almost forgot about the orignial argument about Kdf races. I'm not opposed to Starfleet getting Orions, Gorn, and a few of the other Kdf specific races, however, if that's done KDF should also get some of the Starfleet specific races; Andorians, Vulcans, etc... This would reduce the 'Faction uniqueness' even further, but with the 'Alien' race one could already make a KDF Andorian, Vulcan or a Starfleet Orion (I've actually seen this done many times). Also worth noting I believe I remember seeing a Starfleet Gorn (Alien) wandering around ESD once or twice, though I'm sure the player had to glitch the tailor to get that to work...
  • dmtdmt Member Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The Gorn may be integrated into the Klingon Empire but even then (taken from 'Coliseum') more than 77% of Gorn captives choose to help another Gorn before assisting a Klingon, even if that choice resulted in the death of the Klingon.

    Admittably I don't know how many Gorn Hakeev had captured for his arena in the Nopada system but 77% is a decent figure to base the fact that the Gorn aren't happy on.

    If the Federation, and the Klingon Empire, aren't superpowers, can I ask which factions you think are?
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    phalanx01 wrote: »
    Doesn't seem like it'll ever happen but I don't see why both factions can't visit each others hubs. War is over, we're allies now and with max Marauding/Diplomacy,

    technically not true according to sto canon, there is a cease fire and thats about it. there is noting to show the war has really ended until cryptic begin in an eipsode dedicated to a diplomatic conference on the issue. until them, both sides are technically still at war under the order of holding fire.

    if you want to take it the way the op did with real life, during ww2 in the trenches, there were times where the war would stop for a day or two and both sides would come out of the trenches and play a game of soccer/football and then resuming the war afterwards, that was a temporary cease fire, but the TRIBBLE and the allies were still at war and enemies even so.
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  • pweistheworstpweistheworst Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I don't support giving the FEDs access to all races ... unless the KDF and ROM factions get access to all races as well.

    Honestly, since the mission stories start out with the FED, KDF, and ROM factions doing their own thing it makes sense to limit the races at the start. However, once you reach level 60 and play through the end of the FED/KDF war and the beginning of the alliance, the game should unlock all races on your account for new characters on any faction on your account.

    That way you can create a new Reman FED, a Romulan KDF, and a Klingon ROM main character.

    Other than opening up all races to all players, I'm not interested in adding more races to FED players.
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  • dmtdmt Member Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I would accept the idea stated in the above post above my own!
  • rakija879rakija879 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I don't support giving the FEDs access to all races ... unless the KDF and ROM factions get access to all races as well.

    Honestly, since the mission stories start out with the FED, KDF, and ROM factions doing their own thing it makes sense to limit the races at the start. However, once you reach level 60 and play through the end of the FED/KDF war and the beginning of the alliance, the game should unlock all races on your account for new characters on any faction on your account.

    That way you can create a new Reman FED, a Romulan KDF, and a Klingon ROM main character.

    Other than opening up all races to all players, I'm not interested in adding more races to FED players.

    No kdf, or rom wants fed species, they are kinda dull and worn out.
    Other then the idea of cross faction teaming this thread serves no purpose.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,887 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    rakija879 wrote: »
    No kdf, or rom wants fed species, they are kinda dull and worn out.
    Other then the idea of cross faction teaming this thread serves no purpose.

    Actually...I wouldn't mind a Joined Trill on the RR :P

    But yeah other than that there isn't really anything I want...maybe Talaxians for the racials...kinda got shafted with that.

    But yeah...just seems like Feds wanting to take the unique races of the game and give nothing in return.
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  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    robert359 wrote: »
    I could really go for the cross faction team thing. Especially after a character completes Fluid Dinamics (I think that is the one where the war between the Feds and Klingons ends).

    I agree that we need cross faction teams but stay away from our gorn OP. No touchy, only looky.
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  • pacelli1pacelli1 Member Posts: 266 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I admit that I didn’t read all the comments here; please don’t freak out if I repeat something someone else has said. I like the ideas of the OP. Frankly, I would have liked to have created a Ferengi Marauder (imagine that) instead of Ferengi Feddie, but apparently you can’t play a Ferengi under the Klingon faction.

    So, why not a new faction? A “rogues” faction. You can be a Ferengi marauder or an Orion pirate or a Nausican mercenary – or literally any race. And whereas the Roms have to choose to align with the Feds or the Klinks, the rogues could “contract” with either at any time. Just a thought.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    dmt wrote: »
    Sorry to all who disagree

    What are you sorry about? You have an opinion, that is all. It is no more "right" or "correct" than anyone else's opinion, including an opinion that is the exact opposite of yours. So again, what are you sorry about?

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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,887 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    I think orions without the orion uniform would be fine for starfleet. I mean we do see them in starfleet in JJ verse.

    As for the gorn, reman and roms...NO.

    I imagine the average Fed wanting Orions is for the uniform...other wise it is rather easy to create a Orion in the AlienGen.
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Thread merge.

    Because, open thread.

    Also because, we've totally seen this discussion before.

    My own feelings on the subject are summed up here: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=23607381
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'm still in support of opening up all races (except Caitian and Ferasan probably; might cause too many catfights from an in-game lore standpoint) to all factions on an Account after reaching T4 Diplomacy/Marauding and upon completion of Surface Tension on one character.

    Just don't let them have access to their usual Faction-specific wear, like the Fed Klingons.

    And for those that do insist on wanting Fed Orions with Orion Wear, just give them Federation variants (based off all those classic and revealing wear) or more faction appropriate unique versions of standard Federation wear (instead of just open jacket options, something similar to the Terran midriff-baring and cleavage-showing jacket, so exclusive to Fed Orions; midriff-baring Odyssey, Antares, and Jupiter jackets). Then just let Feds make do with the Dyson skirt or regular skirts.

    What I want personally though; is the ability to have Liberated Borg attachment access as a Lifer, so I can customize some races to be Borg, without the Borg race bonuses, as well as customizing my crew to be Borg, without the actual Borg bonuses.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    dmt wrote: »
    This is a request to start a discussion regarding the possibility of having 'proper' Gorn, Orion, Reman and Romulan species for the Federation.

    Although it may seem like another 'Give Feds everything thread', considering the fact that missions are increasingly being written as cross-faction, and that most of those missions are from a Fed bias, in my opinion my request makes sense.

    Also I will be using real-world and Star Trek canon for my argument.

    Gorn: during WW2 many Polish created their resistance against Germany (represented as the Gorn Seperatists) while others left and travelled to the UK where they joined the RAF. Using that logic you could have Gorn who joined Starfleet in order to have a proper war machine with which to fight the Klingons and free his/her? people.

    Orions: The Orions in-game are represented by the Syndicate. Not every Orion would be part of that group, and not every Syndicate member would be comfortable with Melani D'ian's alliance with the Klingons.

    Romulans/Remans: Although the Romulan Republic now exists, it has been 22 years since the Hobus Supernova. As during the Bajoran Occupation I can see the Federation creating refugee camps within its borders for the survivors. A case can also be made for Klingon Remans (the novelverse, which has contributed in small ways to Star Trek Online, highlighted a Klingon-Reman treaty that gave the Remans the protection of the Empire
    Well there was one Romulan world that did officially apply to become part of the Federation during the Romulan civil war. It's not clear what their current status I at this time though.
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    Two, the Federation is no longer at war with the Klingons. To be fighting their ally (which they are with Heralds whooping peoples butts all over the quadrant) for a separatist group that has also attacked the Romulan Republic (see Tau Dewa patrols), a Federation ally, would be kind of dumb really. The Gorn we do play are members of the KDF by choice, they are not the insurgency. So there really is absolutely zero storyline foundation for Gorn Fed.

    Three. Orions. They never were a part of the Federation. Except for a few doffs and boffs, they never joined Starfleet. That Orions don't agree with D'ian and the Empire on occasion should be obvious (look at Nimbus for example). But that doesn't mean they will join Starfleet en masse. Or that Starfleet would be accepting them for that matter.

    Four. Romulans and Remans? You do realize these are the only two unique species inside that faction, right? The rest are liberated borg and alien, which are in both other factions as well. The refugee camp thing in fed space makes sence. But those people would probably simply remain in those camps/colonies over time, farm here, govern there. They would be a close, inward group, not keen on fighting for Starfleet. The Remans are now part of the Taris faction, Obisek faction, regular settelers or part of the Flotilla. I don't see them joining Starfleet. Not even the KDF, they have no history together at all.
    Actually... there is no "Obisek faction". Obisek is part of the Republic.

    As for Orions... they look hot even if they're wearing a Fed uniform. :P
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  • nadiezjanadiezja Member Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I wouldn't have a problem with more races being unlockable cross-faction... but it should require significant investment by the player in that race's original faction to do so.
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Actually... there is no "Obisek faction". Obisek is part of the Republic

    Well, those serving under Obisek are not a part of the Republic Flotilla. So they make up a secondary militia within the Republic. Which is why I think they are a separated faction from the Flotilla.
    dmt wrote: »
    The Gorn may be integrated into the Klingon Empire but even then (taken from 'Coliseum') more than 77% of Gorn captives choose to help another Gorn before assisting a Klingon, even if that choice resulted in the death of the Klingon.

    Admittably I don't know how many Gorn Hakeev had captured for his arena in the Nopada system but 77% is a decent figure to base the fact that the Gorn aren't happy on.

    If the Federation, and the Klingon Empire, aren't superpowers, can I ask which factions you think are?

    The Gorn example is not too weird. That is a simple matter of racism. If you would release a Bajoran and let him choose to liberate a Bajoran or a Cardassian, they would pick the Bajoran. Cardassia is a protectorate of the Federation, of which Bajor is a member. Heck, there is an episode in which the Cardassians want to return an Orb to Bajor in the Cardassian arc. They are doing their best to ensure good relations. But some things take time to heal within. That does not mean the Bajorans and Cardassians would not fight side-by-side against, say, the Iconians.

    And about superpowers, here is how I see it. In the Milky Way, the Borg and the Dominion. Both rule a huge amount of space (the Dominion being the only power in the Gamma Quadrant, the Borg controlling vast sections of space capable of conquering anything they want if they just direct enough recourses. With the arrival of the Iconians, they and the Herald together also form a superpower, who I estimate to rule at least 25% of Andromeda, but still facing opposition there.
    The "playable" factions are major powers, but none of them is up to the same level of power as say the Dominion. If only one of them would attack the Dominion, they would loose. Together, they can act as a superpower, but not separate.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Thread merge.

    Because, open thread.

    Also because, we've totally seen this discussion before.

    My own feelings on the subject are summed up here: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=23607381

    Shouldn't this whole thread be on this board?

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