Maybe 2 much alien ships in sto>>>>????

asgardfurry · February 2015

Design of alien/exotic ships is verry good but sometimes when you are surronded by all jems,kobali,breen etc ships i dont have feeling im in star trek universe,maybe cryptic put 2 much ships that dont really represent star trek...what do yo think,maybe more fed,klingon,romulan ships in future...

And yeah 5 anniversary >>>>kobali ship????really guys,ship looks good,not bad ship to fly but..5 year sto and we get some strange alien ship...thats just f...up...

What do you think about this>??

More alien ships or more genuine sto ships??

Feel free to add your opinion abou this and suggestions..

Cheers;)

z3ndor99 · February 2015

Im flying a vaadwaur ship on my main so.....

mistressbenihime · February 2015

asgardfurry wrote: »

Design of alien/exotic ships is verry good but sometimes when you are surronded by all jems,kobali,breen etc ships i dont have feeling im in star trek universe,maybe cryptic put 2 much ships that dont really represent star trek...what do yo think,maybe more fed,klingon,romulan ships in future...

And yeah 5 anniversary >>>>kobali ship????really guys,ship looks good,not bad ship to fly but..5 year sto and we get some strange alien ship...thats just f...up...

What do you think about this>??

More alien ships or more genuine sto ships??

Feel free to add your opinion abou this and suggestions..

Cheers;)

I think there should be more federation and especially more romulan and klingon inspired ships.

they don't need to be canon from the show and movies they just need to look as if they are the 2410 versions of those ships. essentially share design elements whit them.

the connie and galaxy class share design element so do k'tinga and BoP. you can see clearly the are ships form the same factions. that's all I ask for whit new ships that cryptic designs. so far odyssey and guardian classes have done a great job at that.
personally I like the intel ships. they are a rather big departure from what we have known and therefore not universally loved. but when you consider what they meant to represent and other design influences that went into them they look the way they are supposed to look. they all look like they could be their faction version of a stealth ship.

eiledon · February 2015

We are getting to the point that there are very few prestige canon Fed/KDF/Rom ships that are not in the game already. We also have had a lot of custom faction specific ships courtesy of Dyson/LoR/Intel upgrades.

The kobali command ship is a free t6 multifaction ship. Free - so very little monetary return on design time. What they do get out of it is players in game and thus more chance that they will spend money either on other sale items or to open lockboxes and get lobi to speed up aquiring the samsar. Yes in the past they have supplied different ships for each faction, however that is increased cost for the same return they get for making one ship. it's just business.

Also in canon there are more alien races and thus different ship types than just federation/rom/kdf? The fact that the dev's are dipping into this heritage to give new ships that players may like is actually pretty good imho, Rather than random "oooh that looks flash but it isnt really trek".

evilmark444 · February 2015

I agree wholeheartedly OP, I don't feel like part of the federation anymore when I'm sitting next to jem, card, Tholian, breen, species 8472, etc etc at Earth Space Dock. Back when the first non-faction related spa came out they said they would be very rare as ordered by CBS ... now I feel like actual federation ships are the minority, even though they have more designs in game than any other group.

A perfect compromise? Give us a toggle in settings that makes all non-faction ships look like a random faction ship client side. Probably too time consuming though, and would likely eat up our RAM.

Bottom line? At ESD I'd rather see a sea of Norways than a mix of every race in the galaxy.

risian4 · February 2015

The problem is there's not that much canon ships left to be added to the game. And by that, I mean ships that were on screen for longer than a few seconds.

Even if they would add more FED/ROM/KDF ships, they would likely have to be Cryptic designs or designs related to the books like the Luna and the Vesta. So they would still not be 'true' Federation ships.

starkaos · February 2015

The problem is that there are only so many ways that a Starfleet, Klingon, or Romulan ship can be designed before there is too much design overlap. Cryptic also has to deal with the problem of ship designs from other Star Trek games, other Science Fiction shows and novels, and fan designs. It is much easier to create a completely new alien ship or one that was only shown in one episode.

mvp333 · February 2015

I kind of want to see each lockbox alien ship given an alternate hull for each faction that looks like a hybrid/mix of technologies between the faction and the lockbox ship. A Federation Jem'Hadar Attack Ship alt skin might have a Miranda-style saucer and normal (albeit flattened) engineering section with a deflector, but with "bug wing" plates covering the back part of the ship and rounded nacelles, not to mention the Jem'Hadar hull option. A Klingon Nicor Bio-Cruiser alt skin might look like a Bird of Prey with a tripod head and thicker, more organic wing and hull shapes. Etc.

...Of course, this'll never happen, but... a man can dream, can he not?

neoakiraii · February 2015

I think people should fly whatever they want, and the Trek purest should get over it.

evilmark444 · February 2015

neoakiraii wrote: »

I think people should fly whatever they want, and the Trek purest should get over it.

Well, I offered a solution that would allow everyone to be happy ... but I guess only people with your mindset are alowed an opinion. I'm not a purest by any stretch, but this does annoy me a great deal.

svindal777 · February 2015

If Sisko can fly a jem'hadar ship then my fed can fly a phallic Kobali ship.

nimbull · February 2015

Lockbox keys are a money maker, that is why there are so many lockbox ships and not faction specific ships other then mostly Federation coming out.

cookiecrook · February 2015

neoakiraii wrote: »

I think people should fly whatever they want, and the Trek purest should get over it.

I completely agree! If people want to fly a T6 Connie, so be it. If people want to fly a T6 Talaxian Freighter, so be it. The best thing that could ever happen to STO would be the ability to play any ship at any level and allow the player to upgrade or refit that ship as they rank up. As much as I don't care for loc boxes, just think how many more of them PWE could sell if a level 5 player could fly a Vaadwaur cruiser or a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship for their first mission.

generalmoco · February 2015

This thread makes me wonder if my temporal destroyer qualifies as alien ship. Yer the lobi one

k20vtec · February 2015

Agree, too many people are flying those Alien ships.

evilmark444 · February 2015

nimbull wrote: »

Lockbox keys are a money maker, that is why there are so many lockbox ships and not faction specific ships other then mostly Federation coming out.

Everyone seems to be overlooking my post, but I gave a suggestion that would improve the aesthetics of the game for those who prefer faction only ships without impacting lock boxes or the desire by some to fly non-faction ships.

omegasprime · February 2015

The only way I would fly an alien ship is to get the Ship trait. I do have to say that I am a little disappointed in getting a not faction ship for the anniversary. I don't care if the ship is cannon or not, I just want to see more faction related ship.

svindal777 · February 2015

More alien ships means less time wasted on KDF ships.

kostamojenx · February 2015

Sometimes I miss the pre-lockbox days...

Fed ships were fed ships and everyone used Phasers and Quantum torpedos...

But those days are gone

hyperionx09 · February 2015

I for one prefer the variety, and don't mind forking out the necessary EC to get myself one, in addition to the Zen I fork out for C-Store ships I like.

We don't have any means of actually capturing an NPC ship to claim as our own (Homeworld loyalist; Salvage Corvettes FTW), so being able to use alien ships is the next best thing.

Additionally, as others have said, we're close to hitting the limit of canon starships for all factions without delving into "loosely canon" side materials or into ship designs still held by other companies (like the Fed Typhon Carrier and Valkyrie Fighters). Fortunately, Specializations and their accompanying ships are helping to offset that with a number of originals.

I do support the idea of Lockbox/Lobi/Event ships being able to use Faction-side Material skins and if Cryptic was willing to go the extra mile, some slight Faction-specific visual options. But at least allowing use of Faction Material skins would go a long way. Though I feel a few ships shouldn't ever use the skins; such as the Obelisk Carrier (technically being an advanced yet ancient relic no side would still know much about). The Samsar I think would look pretty sexy in the Fed Material 6 skin, or look neatly "Intel-like" with access to the Fed Upgrade skin.

kodachikuno · February 2015

asgardfurry wrote: »

Design of alien/exotic ships is verry good but sometimes when you are surronded by all jems,kobali,breen etc ships i dont have feeling im in star trek universe,maybe cryptic put 2 much ships that dont really represent star trek...what do yo think,maybe more fed,klingon,romulan ships in future...

And yeah 5 anniversary >>>>kobali ship????really guys,ship looks good,not bad ship to fly but..5 year sto and we get some strange alien ship...thats just f...up...

What do you think about this>??

More alien ships or more genuine sto ships??

Feel free to add your opinion abou this and suggestions..

Cheers;)

Ive kinda felt similarly of late... I look at my romulan ship roster and see 2 ships that are romulan and 6 that are from not klink/fed/rom like Risan or Breen etc. I dont care if they're canon designs or not, just give us some more kdf/romulan/gorn vessels.... TRIBBLE the feds they already have 10x the options the other 2 have combined and far more bits to mix and match to make franken ships

salazarraze · February 2015

and still no K'vort...

erei1 · February 2015

The game should use a ship costume system. Where you have for example the Kobali cruiser, but use the Galaxy appearance.
Would be deactivated for PVP, and have some limits, for example you would have to unlock the appearance first. And perhaps limit to ship type (science vessel appearance for sci ship, but not for cruisers for example). Also, obviously, no cross faction skin (no Romulan ship looking like a Fed one).

I'm pretty sure a lot of people would make their ship look like a "proper" fed/rom/kdf ship.

azniadeet · February 2015

To OPs point, I would love to see more focus on factional ships... even if they're original designs.

hyperionx09 · February 2015

Or Cryptic can just sell combat-useable (deactivates only in PvP) Ship Holo-emitters similar to the non-combat GPL ones.

One time use, 100 Zen. Remains active for 7 days (auto-disables when entering PvP). Cannot be sold on the Exchange. Must be equipped into a Device Slot. Can be toggled on or off. Holo-emitter visuals (that show it's a holo-emitter "skin") deactivated while in combat.

Then everyone can pretend the Guardian, Samsar, or Odyssey is a Galaxy, the Phantom is a Defiant, the Eclipse is a Sovereign, the Scimitar is a Faeht (or a Faeht is a Scimitar), or the Qib is a Bortesqu.

Of course, for equal-opportunity purposes, Cryptic could sell Lobi and Lockbox Holoemitters of Lobi/Lockbox ships. Which ARE tradeable on the Exchange.

Then we could really see if players prefer to pretend they're flying faction ships, or prefer to fly non-faction ships.

jarfaru · February 2015

I agree with the OP. But i let it go. Nothing we can do about where the game is headed anymore.

artan42 · February 2015

Maybe if we got the:

D5, TAS D7, K'Vort, ENT BoP, Neg'Var refit, Augment BoP, K'toch Shuttle, Norway, Yeager, Freedom, New Orleans, Niagara, Challenger, Venture type Galaxy, Springfield, the other 5 Nebula variants, the other 4 Miranda variants (including Soyuz and Antares), pilot Constitution, Curry, Raging Queen, Daedalus, the 3 Excelsior study models, a true Olympic, the refit Sovereign, the Sydney, Probert's Ambassador, Bradford type, USS Jupp, Medusa Class, Ptolemy Class, Saladin, Romulan D7 (TOS and TAS).

Then we can add a few more alien ships.

jarfaru · February 2015

They could have nixed it by not making ships tiers also. Them you would see more VA flying different fed ships.

admrenlarreck · February 2015

My 2 ec are,

As to the OP's point I agree with the too many alien ships in the game. This is supposed to be Star Trek, but its turned into Federation Universe Online. Of course that's the purist in me, and I have had to ignore it, As long as you don't think of this as a Pure Star Trek you will be ok.

I like the costume option but other than Holoemitters their wont be one. The reason being that the 3d model's have to have the skin fitted to it, so if this would be put in game then say the type 6 material would have to be applied to each and every single ship one at a time by Taco, and he works hard enough as it is. then multiply that by the number of skins available, and well you get the idea.

As for the Intel ships design I see the elements of Star fleet design in two of the 3 Fed, and all of the Rom/kdf ships. Eclipse is the Heavy cruiser, Phantom is the Defiant, but for the life of me I can't figure out the Scryer, other than a perpetual design.

hmmm ok that was 3 ec.

robertcrayven · February 2015

- The Odyssey is not a Cryptic design, which is one reason that it looks like it would fit within the Trek universe. Put any fan-made or canon design next to a Cryptic-designed ship, and you'll immediately see the difference. Cryptic has historically been terrible at coming up with their own Federation designs.

- Al Rivera himself said in a STOked interview that he doesn't like Federation starships, because the design constraints don't allow him to make them look like they're from Star Wars. He prefers to work with alien designs because then he can incorporate Star Wars design philosophy.

So between having a design team that's terrible at coming up with Federation starship designs, and a former Executive Producer that doesn't like Federation starships because they don't scream "Star Wars," it's easy to see what some of the other hurdles the game is facing are when it comes to getting new Federation ships in-game, and why we have an overabundance of alien designs, and Federation designs that seem out of place.

meimeitoo · February 2015

I kinda agree with the OP.

CBS let them use alien ships, provided they be rare. Hence the lockbox. The latter yields, approximately, a 0.02% chance to get the Grand Prize ship. I'm sure CBS thought that was fair, perhaps not fully realizing there's far more of these ships flying around than just that 0.02%.

But yeah, nothing we can do about that any more. That (alien) ship has sailed.

Maybe 2 much alien ships in sto>>>>????

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