We aren't always fighting them; we have Tholian Doffs willing to help us (their Flavor text stating they're willing to learn more about us rather than remain xenophobic) and the flavor text for the Tholian Scarf and Tholian Dress wear mention that normally trying to buy Tholian thread requires going to the Tholian Embassy to negotiate.
We aren't always fighting them; we have Tholian Doffs willing to help us (their Flavor text stating they're willing to learn more about us rather than remain xenophobic) and the flavor text for the Tholian Scarf and Tholian Dress wear mention that normally trying to buy Tholian thread requires going to the Tholian Embassy to negotiate.
Al Rivera himself said in a STOked interview that he doesn't like Federation starships, because the design constraints don't allow him to make them look like they're from Star Wars. He prefers to work with alien designs because then he can incorporate Star Wars design philosophy.
Maybe some Star Wars game would be a better fit for him then.
Fed Expenditure: 3500 Zen
KDF Expenditure: 20750 Zen
Rom Expenditure: 5000 Zen
When I saw just the Qib and Mat'Ha for the KDF...well, yeah...I finally gave in and gave up there.
Did that mean I went through and started buying up Fed boats? Nope...just 3000 Zen for a Phantom to get Reciprocity. So what's my Fed been flying? He's flying a Samsar right now. Was flying the Sarr Theln. Dorked around with both the APU and Kazon Heavy Raider. Yep, picked up a Benthan and a Hazari. Also grabbed the Plesh Brek and Chel Grett during the Winter Event.
I grew up watching TOS in syndication, remember going to see TMP with my dad as a kid. The Connie...awesome, imho. The D-7...awesome. Later with the Excelsior...nifty looking. The Bird-of-Prey...awesome. Yeah, good ships...woot, woot.
As a kid when the family (with some cousins) went to Universal down in Florida...I was a Klingon along with my cousins - it was epic!
Along comes TNG with the Galaxy. WTF is that fugly pos? DS9 with the Defiant doorstop? VOY with Intrepid? What the Hell happened? How did Trek turn into such puke city?
The Vor'cha though? Cool. The Negh'Var? There you go!
I get that different folks like different things, and that's cool - that's life...but man 'o man, all these Fed boats that folks out there clamor for...?
I'd still be flying KDF if the DR release hadn't been so absolutely pathetic and finally broken me. Course, when I rolled a Fed...I could have gone Joined Trill, probably should have, but I went ahead and bought Klingon as playable species for the toon.
I'm sitting here thinking about what these Command Battle Cruisers are likely going to be like, and though I'm interested as Hell with the mechanics - I just can't help but picture that they're just going t be more Fed fugly garbage. I've been thinking about rolling KDF again, saying TRIBBLE it...lol, everybody I knew in Inner Circle's left either to go play Elite or something else. So I might as well just go back to doing my solo KDF fleet that I've kept (I deleted the Fed one back at the end of 2013 when I decided to go all KDF and drop any Fed alts I had).
So maybe that's part of why I'm running around with the crew I do on my Federation Klingon and why I'm flying the ships I am...maybe it's some passive aggressive thing, sticking it to those Feds that keep buying all those fugly ships so Cryptic keeps making them while not making as many of the awesome KDF ships as they could.
Thing is, for me at least, it's obvious why there would be alien ships in orbit around Earth, Qo'noS, and even New Romulus.
The Federation...are the great diplomats. So wouldn't there be all sorts of alien traffic as the Federation carried out their diplomatic mission?
The Klingons...are the great conquerors. So wouldn't there be all sorts of alien traffic as the Empire showed off their spoils of war?
The Romulans...are rebuilding. So much like the Federation, would there not be all sorts of alien traffic as they were seeking new allies, setting up diplomatic missions, seeking trade partnerships, and all the rest?
That would look great. Alien races, their ships and by extension their cultures and everything that demonstrates the diversity of the galaxy as a whole is integral to the feel of Star Trek. There wouldn't be any reason to explore if there was nothing to discover.
I'm really not sure how to take this one. The statement began prefaced by an apology about not reading the thread so I expect some oversight but then your tone took a turn to the condescending and patronizing. Was it really worth your time writing as much as you did to one up people on semantics? Go find somewhere else to be clever and stick to numbers; They are your strong suit.
zing? That degree of oversimplification just makes you look like a simpleton.
The thread title could be misinterpreted if taken literally. Inside the the OP's first paragraph alien and exotic are used interchangeably. Federation, Klingon and Romulan faction ships are requested in lieu of these "other" ships.
An intentionally argumentative or foolish person might not, "get it". Which type are you?
You really brought your "A" game to derail this thread. If you have to edit your post to include this little snipe maybe you should reread the whole thread a few more times. Keep at it. You'lll figure it out.
Do I have perhaps an unwarranted amount of aggro going on in this thread? Yeah, I likely do. This isn't the first time this has come up. I skimmed through the thread, and there was somebody that stated there were too many when they did the JHAS...lol. This definitely isn't the first time it's come up, and while folks are definitely free to offer their opinions and thoughts on the matter, that doesn't mean that there aren't going to be dissenting opinions on that. But yeah, "these Aliens are fine, but these Aliens aren't fine" thing in trying to tell folks what ships they should or shouldn't be allowed to fly did tick me off.
To a lesser extent, my post regarding the Tholians is also true for the Voth. Mainly just the Doffs, and other Rebels like Nelen. While it's not likely a whole Bulwark of Voth defected, I could see the occasional Palisade or Bastion having defected over to the Alliance to work with them on studying the Spheres. Probably manned by Voth scientists who wanted out of unnecessary conflict and falsifying research; and just wanted honest knowledge (Nelen's whole mini-story over wanting to learn more about the devices rather than fight and risk catastrophic failure).
Aside from that, we are still in a war with the Voth, but with the Undine, we technically came to a ceasefire with them thanks to Tuvok. Though that wouldn't explain how we managed to keep Undine ships alive and operational.
And of course, there's the Elachi too, but capturing of their ships is explainable due to the Feds and KDF (and especially the Romulans) trying to figure out what they're doing making off with entire crews and attacking with no apparent reason, and trying to capture their ships intact enough to DL the data since they apparently just suicide rather than talk.
Ferengi D'Kora is expected; the flavor text outright states they're selling them to make some profit.
Breen? No real possibility as to why we have them (from a possible plot perspective) besides just saying Q wanted us to have combat-capable refrigerators.
Vaadwaur? Given we have been fighting them, it's not unexpected that we ended up salvaging a few and putting some to the test to figure out how they work and if there's anything useful that could be reverse-engineered for future Alliance use.
While it's true that it breaks some of the Star Trek immersion on the Fed side, it's to be expected on the KDF side, as war trophies. And possibly the Romulan side, given that they're trying to rebuild and doing whatever they can to survive. Maybe they're using most of their fleet ships as civlian transports from surviving colonies, and thus take intact enemy ships and use them as impromptu weapons of war (possibly supported by the fact there's so few ships that they can natively use).
Now that I think about it, there is a bit more of a grey zone in which the non-Faction ships are allowed to exist without breaking immersion too much. It just so happens that due to them being rather potent in order to sell, they are favored by gaming standard, rather than by a story/immersion standard. And like I said previously, Cryptic's not about to change that when they make bank off each Lobi/Lockbox ship as opposed to one-time purchases of Faction-specific ships. Which results in many players choosing to use them as opposed to more seriously RP'ing their Faction.
If Fleet Intel ships come, it's possible the ESD parking lot will swing back to Fed ships. Predominantly of the Eclipse/Phantom/Pathfinder/Scryer/Guardian lines, as it was prior to the Vaadwaur Lockbox and Anniversary event. It usually ends up that way; players flock to the newest stuff, play with it for awhile (and for many now, play them just for the Masteries) then go back to their favorite ship. It happened prior to the Winter event, then after the Winter event. The Manasa might still be played regularly after; given how relatively high-spec it is compared to similar escorts. But the Kobali, given the split stance on it, will likely only be played for its Mastery Trait and to gain its Warp Core/Singularity Core and the Console.
Not that it was a factor in me doing so, but merely more palletable to do so. As I drifted into playing KDF more & more as to Federation, I found using Lock Box ships more acceptable.
With my main themed as a KDF privateer, Its easy to justify having a few alien ships in my her shipyard. I just find it stranger to use them as a Federation Captain.
My Feds main ship is a T5U ambassador, while KDF side:
My Gorn Sci uses both the Krenn & Korath.
My Ferasan Tact uses a Jem Dreadnought.
My Main a KDF Engineer compliment her Mat'ha and T5U Fleet Tor'kaht with a Narcine, Sheshar, Monbosh, Heavy Hunter, and as of tonight the Kobali Cruiser.
I feel about the Romulans, much the way I do about the Feds and my Romulan Tact uses the T'Varo & Faeht.
I would like to see more ships treated like the Krenn & Korath were, but with actually slight differences between the three factions ships. Much like the minor differences in the Dyson destroyers between each faction.
I would love to see a lockbox with the TyphoonshipsJupiter for Feds, as the Lockbox & Lobi ships.
KDF can get repurposed Gorn/Orion/Nausican NPC dreadnoughts.
They would really only have to come up with some Hulking Romulan Dreadnought, or two.
These ships would also be perfect Command specialization ships.
Thanks for the Advanced Light Cruiser, Allied Escort Bundles, Jem-Hadar Light Battlecruiser, and Mek'leth
New Content Wishlist
T6 updates for the Kamarag & Vor'Cha
Heavy Cruiser & a Movie Era Style AoY Utility Cruiser
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Do I have perhaps an unwarranted amount of aggro going on in this thread? Yeah, I likely do. This isn't the first time this has come up. I skimmed through the thread, and there was somebody that stated there were too many when they did the JHAS...lol. This definitely isn't the first time it's come up, and while folks are definitely free to offer their opinions and thoughts on the matter, that doesn't mean that there aren't going to be dissenting opinions on that. But yeah, "these Aliens are fine, but these Aliens aren't fine" thing in trying to tell folks what ships they should or shouldn't be allowed to fly did tick me off.
I'm no better and possibly worse; my handle isn't niceguy or goodfellow. There isn't much passive in my aggressive; When I perceive a personal slight (justified or unjustified) I can be nastier than is warranted. I should not have goaded you and our exchange might have been more amicable if I could have resisted my need to include each of those last sentences; And the last post you quoted in it's entirety.
There are probably many things Star Trek that we might agree on or at least share a civil discussion. Sometimes I need to remind myself that what I came here for. No hugs :P
The problem is there's not that much canon ships left to be added to the game. And by that, I mean ships that were on screen for longer than a few seconds.
Even if they would add more FED/ROM/KDF ships, they would likely have to be Cryptic designs or designs related to the books like the Luna and the Vesta. So they would still not be 'true' Federation ships.
Past Star Trek game developers that allowed you to play different factions in a Trek game went through the trouble of making a lot of non-canon factions ships to flesh out the lineups for the sake of parity. Canon-wise, non-starfleet design counts are very limited.
Games like Starfleet Command Series, Birth of the Federation got a lot of work to have indigenous non-starfleet ships. Starfleet Command 2, for instance, had the Gorn as a playable group and they received a whole slew of ships that were never onscreen for the TV or movies (because no Gorn ship has ever been shown onscreen).
Anyways, there was a time, long, long ago, in a galaxy, far, far away, that you could definitely tell apart a KDF team from a Fed team. Not so anymore when you look at ships. Most esp when there was PVP, because Lockbox/Lobi ships by design were in general, superior to faction ships.
Fed ships were fed ships and everyone used Phasers and Quantum torpedos...
But those days are gone
I miss those days everytime some new gimicky system comes out. We knew we were in trouble the day the Cardie box hit but I never would have imagine that STO would take the direction it did since DR.
i like all the choices of ships but they came at the cost of immersion for me
Design of alien/exotic ships is verry good but sometimes when you are surronded by all jems,kobali,breen etc ships i dont have feeling im in star trek universe,maybe cryptic put 2 much ships that dont really represent star trek...what do yo think,maybe more fed,klingon,romulan ships in future...
I agree with the sentiment but I'm at a loss in regard to a good way to fix the problem.
The only effective way that I can imagine would be to implement an incentive system that drives players toward the "desirable" ships ... with the classic Trek ships having the best stats or earning bonus XP or something. But that will create a whole nuther level of griping and whining.
There are to many ships of enemy factions in starfleet and this brakes the immersion to be a member of starfleet.
Yes this is Star Trek and there are a lot of civilizations in our galaxy and many of them are warp cultures with there own ships. But Star Trek: Online only know three factions: Federation, Klingons and Romulans!
It is okay to fly an enemy ship for an intel mission like Sisko does. Or to capture an enemy ship in war and use this like Dukat does. But in Star Trek Online there are so many enemy ships in your own faction.
The last time people has seen Breen ships in orbit was the Breen attack on earth in Dominion war. No there are still enemies but Breen ships are everywhere.
It brakes my immersion to be in a team with Breen, Undine and Vadwaur ships to defend our starbase.
What iam flying?
My federation engineer loves his Galaxy class and his Excelsior class vessel. I use phasers and quantum or photon torps on them. He also loves his Tuffli freighter.
My vulcan science officer does not longer serve in starfleet. He was temporarily laid of from work and serve know the vulcan science academy. He doesn't wear a starfleet uniform and has only vulcans in his team and command a D'Kyr vessel. That the members of starfleet use still there own design and own ships you can see in DS9 1.12 "Vortex" where Odo transfer a person to a vulcan science ship in gamma quadrant. So there is a story behind this character. And a D'Kyr is not an enemy ship.
Flying a D'Kora can also be interpreted on the same way. A Ferengi starfleet officer has retired and became a Ferengi officer.
So iam using no enemy ships on my characters.
The problem ist, that a lot of classic starfleet design vessels are already in the game and Cryptic has to make money. So they make new stronger ships and these stronger ships are mostly enemy faction ships you fight against in the story missions. Its cheaper for Cryptic to tranform these ships in player ships as work on new faction designs for player ships. But i think it is the wrong way.
Maybe it is also the wrong way to put to many new ships into the game. Trekkies maybe already flying there favorite ship. I love my Galaxy class and my D'Kyr and i don't want to change these ships on my characters. But both classes are not the strongest in game. But i don't want to fly a strong enemy faction ship only to be strong. I want to fly my favorite ships from the series and movies!
A way would be a fourth (neutral) faction for mercenaries, pirates or something else.
I agree with the OP - and prefer to fly ships native to the faction too. The alien ships I own, I generally only take out for a bit of single player fun every now and again.
I like darthpetersen´s idea for a neutral faction, and am in fact building a Delta Quadrant version of that right now, using a Talaxian captain, the Kobali and Hierarchy boffs supplemented with Alien-as-DQ-race ones, all in the Kobali uniform, with likely either the Kazon raider and/or the Samsar as final ship. That's nice for a breakout character, but would never cover every "lock box faction". At the very least, the larger ships pose questions of manpower (Jem'Hadar dread) or impracticle interior designs (Narcine, 8472 and Tholian).
If it's purely a question of performance, the way I'd prefer things to go would be the "Tempest-route", with existing designs getting an upgraded version which could allow for the basic skins to carry over, like with the Tempest and the Pathfinder. Those ships performed quite well and I'd really like to see that line expanded to include some of the other old original designs like the star cruiser and the deep space and recon science vessels. Those wanting to fly a better Galaxy or Defiant could do so that way.
Design of alien/exotic ships is verry good but sometimes when you are surronded by all jems,kobali,breen etc ships i dont have feeling im in star trek universe,maybe cryptic put 2 much ships that dont really represent star trek...what do yo think,maybe more fed,klingon,romulan ships in future...
And yeah 5 anniversary >>>>kobali ship????really guys,ship looks good,not bad ship to fly but..5 year sto and we get some strange alien ship...thats just f...up...
What do you think about this>??
More alien ships or more genuine sto ships??
Feel free to add your opinion abou this and suggestions..
Cheers;)
I agree
I fly 90% of fed - kdf - rommie ships. only 2 chars use Jhas and Jhdread or Chell'Grett. I like to fly the BoP, Raptor, my Mogai or the Patrol Escort.
What I would like to see is bonuses like Romulans that have plasma bonuses.
for example : Andorians that flies an Andorian ship gets a bonuses or Ferengi that flies D'Kora, Caitian in the Atrox, etc
+ I think feds should have a bonuses to use phaser and KDF one for using disruptor.
Like this all other players using alien ships with alien weapons would have less advantages.
But it's a dream.
It's the fault of players that there are so many alien ships because they buy them so cryptic continue in this way. It's sad.
Cryptic has put everyone at same level but Star Trek universe is not that It's not what has been created by Roddenberry!
When I read players that want cardassian playable or borg ships ..... I think the game is becoming less and less Trek !
Wake up Cryptic ! This is not a normal mmorpg, It's Star Trek Online !
My federation engineer loves his Galaxy class and his Excelsior class vessel. I use phasers and quantum or photon torps on them. He also loves his Tuffli freighter.
My vulcan science officer does not longer serve in starfleet. He was temporarily laid of from work and serve know the vulcan science academy. He doesn't wear a starfleet uniform and has only vulcans in his team and command a D'Kyr vessel. That the members of starfleet use still there own design and own ships you can see in DS9 1.12 "Vortex" where Odo transfer a person to a vulcan science ship in gamma quadrant. So there is a story behind this character. And a D'Kyr is not an enemy ship.
Flying a D'Kora can also be interpreted on the same way. A Ferengi starfleet officer has retired and became a Ferengi officer.
So iam using no enemy ships on my characters.
I have a "Cardassian" that flies the Galor and Breen ships. He is an officer of the Cardassian Navy that is assigned to assist the Federation in the conflicts against common foes.
If you can come up with stories for your own characters, why can't you come up with your own ideas for why these alien ships are in your team?
When I read players that want cardassian playable or borg ships ..... I think the game is becoming less and less Trek !
Wake up Cryptic ! This is not a normal mmorpg, It's Star Trek Online !
Why would a Cardassian playable faction be any less Star Trek than any of the other three factions? They played a major role in the DS9 story. The Romulans, by comparison, seemed to be more of a nuisance to the Federation.
There are a LOT of non-Fed ships, yeah. It has certainly damaged the emersion factor but at this point, its gone so far there is no turning back. Those Lock Box ships are so good people will always want to fly them.
There are a LOT of non-Fed ships, yeah. It has certainly damaged the emersion factor but at this point, its gone so far there is no turning back. Those Lock Box ships are so good people will always want to fly them.
So very much this. The other day I ran a FA and by sheer chance all 5 ships were Federation ships. But people will fly what they want to fly. And that usually is a good ship that fits their play style. More often than not, that means an "alien" ship.
And at the end of the day you can just do what scififan78 suggested. Head canon your own explanation. It will be just as valid as all those love children of Kirk and Picard, or Commander Shepards, or whatever back story your character has.
Me? I'm a D&D character that got lost in the Astral Plane and ended up here. So all the ships are alien to me.
Cheers from Antonio Valerio Cortez III, Half-Celestial Archduke of the Free Marches Confederacy.
Design of alien/exotic ships is verry good but sometimes when you are surronded by all jems,kobali,breen etc ships i dont have feeling im in star trek universe,maybe cryptic put 2 much ships that dont really represent star trek...what do yo think,maybe more fed,klingon,romulan ships in future...
And yeah 5 anniversary >>>>kobali ship????really guys,ship looks good,not bad ship to fly but..5 year sto and we get some strange alien ship...thats just f...up...
What do you think about this>??
More alien ships or more genuine sto ships??
Feel free to add your opinion abou this and suggestions..
Cheers;)
I think that if they would just provide some ships to all three factions, you might be right. But as it stands, 2/3 of the factions don't have enough ships --- romulans do not have a SINGLE accessible science ship (haanom is locked unless in a maxed out fleet, and dyson officer seating is not quite pure science). KDF lacks a real intel ship (the maha can't seat surgical, and the other one is not tactical). Rom lacks a carrier of any sort.
I can bet you are a fed but the anniv ships are for ALL THREE factions so making it a pizza cutter is not in the cards, it has to be alien or joint effort design. Same reason the winter prize was breen.
At this point, I don't care if its a flying shoney's big boy... ILL TAKE IT ... anything is better than NEXT TO ZERO ships that we have now.
the real reason there are so many alien ships, is simply due to the fact they tend to better and/or cheaper than the fed/kdf alternatives.
look at the risian cruiser, which is one of the best cruiser atm in the game, plus its free and has free t5u upgrade, look at the jem'hadar dread which is still a favorite ship of many, hands down one of the best carriers in the game, and then cryptic released the even better narcine.
the only faction that actually has GOOD ships consistently are the romulans, there are literally no bad romulan ships, which is why is so common to see romulans actually flying romulan ships.
if you want to barely spend money at all, stick with a ha'feh, or one of the romulan mirror lockbox ships, and you'll do good enough.
if you have money, you can get the scimitar which is superior to all lockbox ships
does either option exists with fed/kdf? no, you either stick with your dinky "assault cruiser/patrol escort", or if you have cash, go for something actually decent like a narcine or jem'dread.
and since tanking is pointless, everything is DPS, even more so now with the sacks of HP cryptic gaves us as enemies, there is no point in getting a ship that isn't capable of doing high dps easily.
The end-of-lifing of my Zen ships means I'm only flying free T5-U and free T-6 ships now which means I'm not flying any "standard" Fed ships save for the Solanae Dyson Destroyer which I got last year.
Once Cryptic makes it clear that T7 isn't on the horizon from any point in the known galaxies I might buy ships again.
Plus the Fed new designs don't look anywhere near as good as the old ones. There's nothing as sleek as a Risian Corvette in T6 or anything as so ugly it's good looking like the A-10 as the Kumaris.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
yeah there are a ton of alien ships and i can understand where your coming from, but my real issue with it is every time a romulan sits in one of them any hope of balance is lost...cough breen carrier etc
Romulans have zero ship diversity and the scimitar while being bashed for it's flavor of the month is a glass cannon where as fed/KDF tac cruiser options can probably get reasonable (or equal) DPS while having survivability not to mention having regular cloaks which already semi mitigates the romulan advantage here. (battlecloak is available to kdf/fed in the form of 3 voth consoles but that is an insanely pricy entry to it)
An expensive glass cannon since you'd want all 3 consoles for the set bonus (50$)
It does not in any way infer there shouldn't be any more development to the romulan faction ffs.
(Flying Arkif Retrofit atm)
On a side note: the Fed roster caters to pretty much every role you could think of and those wanting a scimitar experience can opt for plenty of options. (some cloaked and some that don't even to cloak)
Let's not even go into the 6 t6's with 6 traits (the guardian cruiser looks nigh unkillable) for feds to choose from.
yeah there are a ton of alien ships and i can understand where your coming from, but my real issue with it is every time a romulan sits in one of them any hope of balance is lost...cough breen carrier etc
with the exception of the bridge officer and captain racial trait, there is not one bit of difference between a rom or a fed in these ships. Yes, that makes roms significantly stronger in any ship. But then again, that is the bulk of why the scimitar is so good too. Try flying a scim with an alien engineer crewed by vulcans and get back to me on how OP the ship is.
I will trade you all day long. You can have my scimitar if I can have your scryer. Im keeping my faeht, though.. :P
There are a LOT of non-Fed ships, yeah. It has certainly damaged the emersion factor but at this point, its gone so far there is no turning back. Those Lock Box ships are so good people will always want to fly them.
Yes, but Lock Box Ship don't must automatically means alien ship. There could be Founding races lock boxes, or even if we get another enemy lock box ships in it could be done similar to deysone destroyers - hybrid of alien technology with faction designs.
with the exception of the bridge officer and captain racial trait, there is not one bit of difference between a rom or a fed in these ships. Yes, that makes roms significantly stronger in any ship. But then again, that is the bulk of why the scimitar is so good too. Try flying a scim with an alien engineer crewed by vulcans and get back to me on how OP the ship is.
I will trade you all day long. You can have my scimitar if I can have your scryer. Im keeping my faeht, though.. :P
the racial trait and boff traits are triple that of a fed
fed is sitting at 6.5% crit 76% sev
rom is sitting at 21% crit 95% sev
same gear setup no fleet tact consoles on breen ship
i know theres ways of closing the gap a little bit, i hear you can get romulan boffs from fleet stuff for the fed side, but i also was told i would get a good boffs with space traits for getting diplo 4..
I apologize for not understanding the complaint about a complaint being made that Star Trek has aliens in it. Of course the tone would be condescending and patronizing...it's Star Trek...aliens were kind of a big thing. So a complaint about aliens in Star Trek Online not being very Star Trek is a complete and total wtf/facepalm moment. So yeah, I don't get where I was making a semantics argument in the least. I read a complaint about too many alien ships in Star Trek...and...it just blew my mind. What's next? Complaining that too much time is spent amongst the stars in Star Trek Online because stars aren't very Star Trek? :rolleyes:
No, ankokuneko having to point out something so simple...makes all sorts of folks look like simpletons.
Fed and Klingon 3rd rate ships is why krono's and ESD have so many alien ships in orbit
Romulan and lockbox ships are just that much better
On the frontier there were many alien ships to be seen....Not in orbit around ESD
Virus you not understanding what the OP ment is mindblowing to me
There should be a way to upgrade Klingon fed and romulan ships to be equal to any lock box ship in that ships class
when you open the lockbox there should be a option to upgrade my defiant to equal this lock box ship ( escort ) instead of using the lockbox ship....its only a skin....A LOT of people would like it to look like there favorite ship
cryptic makes more cash the players are happy
we have
escorts
science
destroyers
Cruisers
4 main ship types plus shuttles
when we open up a lock box lets say its a science ship I should be able upgrade my romulan science ship to the stats of the lock box science ship
I keep my ships skin with the new upgrades from the new ship
win win win
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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We aren't always fighting them; we have Tholian Doffs willing to help us (their Flavor text stating they're willing to learn more about us rather than remain xenophobic) and the flavor text for the Tholian Scarf and Tholian Dress wear mention that normally trying to buy Tholian thread requires going to the Tholian Embassy to negotiate.
It's one of those odd little details.
And that's a fair point.
Maybe some Star Wars game would be a better fit for him then.
I was really disappointed, not completely surprised - but surprised enough to still be disappointed by the announced ships for Delta Rising.
Just looking at Zen boats before Delta Rising...
My Fed Ships
Oberth Science Vessel (500 Zen)
Science Vessel Refit (Free/750 Zen)
Advanced Research Vessel (1000 Zen)
Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit (Free/2000 Zen)
Vulcan D'Kyr Science Vessel (2000 Zen)
My KDF Ships
B'Rotlh Bird-of-Prey (Free/500 Zen)
Qaw'Dun Bird-of-Prey (750 Zen)
Dacoit Flight-Deck Cruiser (1000 Zen)
Ning'tao Bird-of-Prey (1000 Zen)
Phalanx Science Vessel (1000 Zen)
SuQob Raptor (Free/1000 Zen)
Vandal Destroyer (1000 Zen)
Draguas Support Vessel (1500 Zen)
B'rel Bird-of-Prey (2000 Zen)
Kar'Fi Battle Carrier (2000 Zen)
Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser (Free/2000 Zen)
Varanus Support Vessel (2000 Zen)
Bortasqu' Command Cruiser (2500 Zen)
Garumba Siege Destroyer (2500 Zen)
Mogh Battle Cruiser (2500 Zen)
My Rom Ships
T'varo Warbird (500 Zen)
T'varo Warbird Retrofit (2000 Zen)
Haakona Advanced Warbird (2500 Zen)
Fed Expenditure: 3500 Zen
KDF Expenditure: 20750 Zen
Rom Expenditure: 5000 Zen
When I saw just the Qib and Mat'Ha for the KDF...well, yeah...I finally gave in and gave up there.
Did that mean I went through and started buying up Fed boats? Nope...just 3000 Zen for a Phantom to get Reciprocity. So what's my Fed been flying? He's flying a Samsar right now. Was flying the Sarr Theln. Dorked around with both the APU and Kazon Heavy Raider. Yep, picked up a Benthan and a Hazari. Also grabbed the Plesh Brek and Chel Grett during the Winter Event.
I grew up watching TOS in syndication, remember going to see TMP with my dad as a kid. The Connie...awesome, imho. The D-7...awesome. Later with the Excelsior...nifty looking. The Bird-of-Prey...awesome. Yeah, good ships...woot, woot.
As a kid when the family (with some cousins) went to Universal down in Florida...I was a Klingon along with my cousins - it was epic!
Along comes TNG with the Galaxy. WTF is that fugly pos? DS9 with the Defiant doorstop? VOY with Intrepid? What the Hell happened? How did Trek turn into such puke city?
The Vor'cha though? Cool. The Negh'Var? There you go!
I get that different folks like different things, and that's cool - that's life...but man 'o man, all these Fed boats that folks out there clamor for...?
I'd still be flying KDF if the DR release hadn't been so absolutely pathetic and finally broken me. Course, when I rolled a Fed...I could have gone Joined Trill, probably should have, but I went ahead and bought Klingon as playable species for the toon.
I'm sitting here thinking about what these Command Battle Cruisers are likely going to be like, and though I'm interested as Hell with the mechanics - I just can't help but picture that they're just going t be more Fed fugly garbage. I've been thinking about rolling KDF again, saying TRIBBLE it...lol, everybody I knew in Inner Circle's left either to go play Elite or something else. So I might as well just go back to doing my solo KDF fleet that I've kept (I deleted the Fed one back at the end of 2013 when I decided to go all KDF and drop any Fed alts I had).
So maybe that's part of why I'm running around with the crew I do on my Federation Klingon and why I'm flying the ships I am...maybe it's some passive aggressive thing, sticking it to those Feds that keep buying all those fugly ships so Cryptic keeps making them while not making as many of the awesome KDF ships as they could.
I don't know...I need a smoke...meh.
That would look great. Alien races, their ships and by extension their cultures and everything that demonstrates the diversity of the galaxy as a whole is integral to the feel of Star Trek. There wouldn't be any reason to explore if there was nothing to discover.
One of your posts...yes, where you just offered your opinion like other folks. And your other posts?
Do I have perhaps an unwarranted amount of aggro going on in this thread? Yeah, I likely do. This isn't the first time this has come up. I skimmed through the thread, and there was somebody that stated there were too many when they did the JHAS...lol. This definitely isn't the first time it's come up, and while folks are definitely free to offer their opinions and thoughts on the matter, that doesn't mean that there aren't going to be dissenting opinions on that. But yeah, "these Aliens are fine, but these Aliens aren't fine" thing in trying to tell folks what ships they should or shouldn't be allowed to fly did tick me off.
What's next? See that image in my signature?
Klingon Captain
Romulan Tac Officer
Talaxian Engineer
Hierarchy Sci Officer
Nausicaan Engineer
Yep...I'm Starfleet.
Who am I offending with my crew? Because it's not someway they think it should be...meh.
Aside from that, we are still in a war with the Voth, but with the Undine, we technically came to a ceasefire with them thanks to Tuvok. Though that wouldn't explain how we managed to keep Undine ships alive and operational.
And of course, there's the Elachi too, but capturing of their ships is explainable due to the Feds and KDF (and especially the Romulans) trying to figure out what they're doing making off with entire crews and attacking with no apparent reason, and trying to capture their ships intact enough to DL the data since they apparently just suicide rather than talk.
Ferengi D'Kora is expected; the flavor text outright states they're selling them to make some profit.
Breen? No real possibility as to why we have them (from a possible plot perspective) besides just saying Q wanted us to have combat-capable refrigerators.
Vaadwaur? Given we have been fighting them, it's not unexpected that we ended up salvaging a few and putting some to the test to figure out how they work and if there's anything useful that could be reverse-engineered for future Alliance use.
While it's true that it breaks some of the Star Trek immersion on the Fed side, it's to be expected on the KDF side, as war trophies. And possibly the Romulan side, given that they're trying to rebuild and doing whatever they can to survive. Maybe they're using most of their fleet ships as civlian transports from surviving colonies, and thus take intact enemy ships and use them as impromptu weapons of war (possibly supported by the fact there's so few ships that they can natively use).
Now that I think about it, there is a bit more of a grey zone in which the non-Faction ships are allowed to exist without breaking immersion too much. It just so happens that due to them being rather potent in order to sell, they are favored by gaming standard, rather than by a story/immersion standard. And like I said previously, Cryptic's not about to change that when they make bank off each Lobi/Lockbox ship as opposed to one-time purchases of Faction-specific ships. Which results in many players choosing to use them as opposed to more seriously RP'ing their Faction.
If Fleet Intel ships come, it's possible the ESD parking lot will swing back to Fed ships. Predominantly of the Eclipse/Phantom/Pathfinder/Scryer/Guardian lines, as it was prior to the Vaadwaur Lockbox and Anniversary event. It usually ends up that way; players flock to the newest stuff, play with it for awhile (and for many now, play them just for the Masteries) then go back to their favorite ship. It happened prior to the Winter event, then after the Winter event. The Manasa might still be played regularly after; given how relatively high-spec it is compared to similar escorts. But the Kobali, given the split stance on it, will likely only be played for its Mastery Trait and to gain its Warp Core/Singularity Core and the Console.
With my main themed as a KDF privateer, Its easy to justify having a few alien ships in my her shipyard. I just find it stranger to use them as a Federation Captain.
My Feds main ship is a T5U ambassador, while KDF side:
My Gorn Sci uses both the Krenn & Korath.
My Ferasan Tact uses a Jem Dreadnought.
My Main a KDF Engineer compliment her Mat'ha and T5U Fleet Tor'kaht with a Narcine, Sheshar, Monbosh, Heavy Hunter, and as of tonight the Kobali Cruiser.
I feel about the Romulans, much the way I do about the Feds and my Romulan Tact uses the T'Varo & Faeht.
I would like to see more ships treated like the Krenn & Korath were, but with actually slight differences between the three factions ships. Much like the minor differences in the Dyson destroyers between each faction.
I would love to see a lockbox with the TyphoonshipsJupiter for Feds, as the Lockbox & Lobi ships.
KDF can get repurposed Gorn/Orion/Nausican NPC dreadnoughts.
They would really only have to come up with some Hulking Romulan Dreadnought, or two.
These ships would also be perfect Command specialization ships.
I'm no better and possibly worse; my handle isn't niceguy or goodfellow. There isn't much passive in my aggressive; When I perceive a personal slight (justified or unjustified) I can be nastier than is warranted. I should not have goaded you and our exchange might have been more amicable if I could have resisted my need to include each of those last sentences; And the last post you quoted in it's entirety.
There are probably many things Star Trek that we might agree on or at least share a civil discussion. Sometimes I need to remind myself that what I came here for. No hugs :P
Past Star Trek game developers that allowed you to play different factions in a Trek game went through the trouble of making a lot of non-canon factions ships to flesh out the lineups for the sake of parity. Canon-wise, non-starfleet design counts are very limited.
Games like Starfleet Command Series, Birth of the Federation got a lot of work to have indigenous non-starfleet ships. Starfleet Command 2, for instance, had the Gorn as a playable group and they received a whole slew of ships that were never onscreen for the TV or movies (because no Gorn ship has ever been shown onscreen).
Anyways, there was a time, long, long ago, in a galaxy, far, far away, that you could definitely tell apart a KDF team from a Fed team. Not so anymore when you look at ships. Most esp when there was PVP, because Lockbox/Lobi ships by design were in general, superior to faction ships.
I miss those days everytime some new gimicky system comes out. We knew we were in trouble the day the Cardie box hit but I never would have imagine that STO would take the direction it did since DR.
i like all the choices of ships but they came at the cost of immersion for me
I agree with the sentiment but I'm at a loss in regard to a good way to fix the problem.
The only effective way that I can imagine would be to implement an incentive system that drives players toward the "desirable" ships ... with the classic Trek ships having the best stats or earning bonus XP or something. But that will create a whole nuther level of griping and whining.
There are to many ships of enemy factions in starfleet and this brakes the immersion to be a member of starfleet.
Yes this is Star Trek and there are a lot of civilizations in our galaxy and many of them are warp cultures with there own ships. But Star Trek: Online only know three factions: Federation, Klingons and Romulans!
It is okay to fly an enemy ship for an intel mission like Sisko does. Or to capture an enemy ship in war and use this like Dukat does. But in Star Trek Online there are so many enemy ships in your own faction.
The last time people has seen Breen ships in orbit was the Breen attack on earth in Dominion war. No there are still enemies but Breen ships are everywhere.
It brakes my immersion to be in a team with Breen, Undine and Vadwaur ships to defend our starbase.
What iam flying?
My federation engineer loves his Galaxy class and his Excelsior class vessel. I use phasers and quantum or photon torps on them. He also loves his Tuffli freighter.
My vulcan science officer does not longer serve in starfleet. He was temporarily laid of from work and serve know the vulcan science academy. He doesn't wear a starfleet uniform and has only vulcans in his team and command a D'Kyr vessel. That the members of starfleet use still there own design and own ships you can see in DS9 1.12 "Vortex" where Odo transfer a person to a vulcan science ship in gamma quadrant. So there is a story behind this character. And a D'Kyr is not an enemy ship.
Flying a D'Kora can also be interpreted on the same way. A Ferengi starfleet officer has retired and became a Ferengi officer.
So iam using no enemy ships on my characters.
The problem ist, that a lot of classic starfleet design vessels are already in the game and Cryptic has to make money. So they make new stronger ships and these stronger ships are mostly enemy faction ships you fight against in the story missions. Its cheaper for Cryptic to tranform these ships in player ships as work on new faction designs for player ships. But i think it is the wrong way.
Maybe it is also the wrong way to put to many new ships into the game. Trekkies maybe already flying there favorite ship. I love my Galaxy class and my D'Kyr and i don't want to change these ships on my characters. But both classes are not the strongest in game. But i don't want to fly a strong enemy faction ship only to be strong. I want to fly my favorite ships from the series and movies!
A way would be a fourth (neutral) faction for mercenaries, pirates or something else.
I like darthpetersen´s idea for a neutral faction, and am in fact building a Delta Quadrant version of that right now, using a Talaxian captain, the Kobali and Hierarchy boffs supplemented with Alien-as-DQ-race ones, all in the Kobali uniform, with likely either the Kazon raider and/or the Samsar as final ship. That's nice for a breakout character, but would never cover every "lock box faction". At the very least, the larger ships pose questions of manpower (Jem'Hadar dread) or impracticle interior designs (Narcine, 8472 and Tholian).
If it's purely a question of performance, the way I'd prefer things to go would be the "Tempest-route", with existing designs getting an upgraded version which could allow for the basic skins to carry over, like with the Tempest and the Pathfinder. Those ships performed quite well and I'd really like to see that line expanded to include some of the other old original designs like the star cruiser and the deep space and recon science vessels. Those wanting to fly a better Galaxy or Defiant could do so that way.
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I agree
I fly 90% of fed - kdf - rommie ships. only 2 chars use Jhas and Jhdread or Chell'Grett. I like to fly the BoP, Raptor, my Mogai or the Patrol Escort.
What I would like to see is bonuses like Romulans that have plasma bonuses.
for example : Andorians that flies an Andorian ship gets a bonuses or Ferengi that flies D'Kora, Caitian in the Atrox, etc
+ I think feds should have a bonuses to use phaser and KDF one for using disruptor.
Like this all other players using alien ships with alien weapons would have less advantages.
But it's a dream.
It's the fault of players that there are so many alien ships because they buy them so cryptic continue in this way. It's sad.
Cryptic has put everyone at same level but Star Trek universe is not that It's not what has been created by Roddenberry!
When I read players that want cardassian playable or borg ships ..... I think the game is becoming less and less Trek !
Wake up Cryptic ! This is not a normal mmorpg, It's Star Trek Online !
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I have a "Cardassian" that flies the Galor and Breen ships. He is an officer of the Cardassian Navy that is assigned to assist the Federation in the conflicts against common foes.
If you can come up with stories for your own characters, why can't you come up with your own ideas for why these alien ships are in your team?
Why would a Cardassian playable faction be any less Star Trek than any of the other three factions? They played a major role in the DS9 story. The Romulans, by comparison, seemed to be more of a nuisance to the Federation.
So very much this. The other day I ran a FA and by sheer chance all 5 ships were Federation ships. But people will fly what they want to fly. And that usually is a good ship that fits their play style. More often than not, that means an "alien" ship.
And at the end of the day you can just do what scififan78 suggested. Head canon your own explanation. It will be just as valid as all those love children of Kirk and Picard, or Commander Shepards, or whatever back story your character has.
Me? I'm a D&D character that got lost in the Astral Plane and ended up here. So all the ships are alien to me.
I think that if they would just provide some ships to all three factions, you might be right. But as it stands, 2/3 of the factions don't have enough ships --- romulans do not have a SINGLE accessible science ship (haanom is locked unless in a maxed out fleet, and dyson officer seating is not quite pure science). KDF lacks a real intel ship (the maha can't seat surgical, and the other one is not tactical). Rom lacks a carrier of any sort.
I can bet you are a fed but the anniv ships are for ALL THREE factions so making it a pizza cutter is not in the cards, it has to be alien or joint effort design. Same reason the winter prize was breen.
At this point, I don't care if its a flying shoney's big boy... ILL TAKE IT ... anything is better than NEXT TO ZERO ships that we have now.
look at the risian cruiser, which is one of the best cruiser atm in the game, plus its free and has free t5u upgrade, look at the jem'hadar dread which is still a favorite ship of many, hands down one of the best carriers in the game, and then cryptic released the even better narcine.
the only faction that actually has GOOD ships consistently are the romulans, there are literally no bad romulan ships, which is why is so common to see romulans actually flying romulan ships.
if you want to barely spend money at all, stick with a ha'feh, or one of the romulan mirror lockbox ships, and you'll do good enough.
if you have money, you can get the scimitar which is superior to all lockbox ships
does either option exists with fed/kdf? no, you either stick with your dinky "assault cruiser/patrol escort", or if you have cash, go for something actually decent like a narcine or jem'dread.
and since tanking is pointless, everything is DPS, even more so now with the sacks of HP cryptic gaves us as enemies, there is no point in getting a ship that isn't capable of doing high dps easily.
Once Cryptic makes it clear that T7 isn't on the horizon from any point in the known galaxies I might buy ships again.
Plus the Fed new designs don't look anywhere near as good as the old ones. There's nothing as sleek as a Risian Corvette in T6 or anything as so ugly it's good looking like the A-10 as the Kumaris.
An expensive glass cannon since you'd want all 3 consoles for the set bonus (50$)
It does not in any way infer there shouldn't be any more development to the romulan faction ffs.
(Flying Arkif Retrofit atm)
On a side note: the Fed roster caters to pretty much every role you could think of and those wanting a scimitar experience can opt for plenty of options. (some cloaked and some that don't even to cloak)
Let's not even go into the 6 t6's with 6 traits (the guardian cruiser looks nigh unkillable) for feds to choose from.
with the exception of the bridge officer and captain racial trait, there is not one bit of difference between a rom or a fed in these ships. Yes, that makes roms significantly stronger in any ship. But then again, that is the bulk of why the scimitar is so good too. Try flying a scim with an alien engineer crewed by vulcans and get back to me on how OP the ship is.
I will trade you all day long. You can have my scimitar if I can have your scryer. Im keeping my faeht, though.. :P
Yes, but Lock Box Ship don't must automatically means alien ship. There could be Founding races lock boxes, or even if we get another enemy lock box ships in it could be done similar to deysone destroyers - hybrid of alien technology with faction designs.
the racial trait and boff traits are triple that of a fed
fed is sitting at 6.5% crit 76% sev
rom is sitting at 21% crit 95% sev
same gear setup no fleet tact consoles on breen ship
i know theres ways of closing the gap a little bit, i hear you can get romulan boffs from fleet stuff for the fed side, but i also was told i would get a good boffs with space traits for getting diplo 4..
ill believe it when i see it or read it
Fed and Klingon 3rd rate ships is why krono's and ESD have so many alien ships in orbit
Romulan and lockbox ships are just that much better
On the frontier there were many alien ships to be seen....Not in orbit around ESD
Virus you not understanding what the OP ment is mindblowing to me
There should be a way to upgrade Klingon fed and romulan ships to be equal to any lock box ship in that ships class
when you open the lockbox there should be a option to upgrade my defiant to equal this lock box ship ( escort ) instead of using the lockbox ship....its only a skin....A LOT of people would like it to look like there favorite ship
cryptic makes more cash the players are happy
we have
escorts
science
destroyers
Cruisers
4 main ship types plus shuttles
when we open up a lock box lets say its a science ship I should be able upgrade my romulan science ship to the stats of the lock box science ship
I keep my ships skin with the new upgrades from the new ship
win win win
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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