if they do not allow at least the venture skin parts on it i will be very surprised and sadden by that choice at it looks like an evolution of the galaxy
lets ponder what lovely station setup such a nice looking ship might have shall we? hopefully its not another COM/LTC eng, like all the other tier6 cruisers so far.
ideally, id like to see this
COM eng LTC tac LTC sci LT eng ENS uni
~7 turn rate
1.1 shield mod at least
probably 4/3/3 consoles to go with it, eventually 5/3/3 with fleet
repeat after me, tier 5U and tier 6 are totally even guys, they are just as good! what cruiser would you even bother to upgrade if you had this? maybe the avenger, with its 5 fore weapon goodness
lets ponder what lovely station setup such a nice looking ship might have shall we? hopefully its not another COM/LTC eng, like all the other tier6 cruisers so far.
ideally, id like to see this
COM eng LTC tac LTC sci LT eng ENS uni
~7 turn rate
1.1 shield mod at least
probably 4/3/3 consoles to go with it, eventually 5/3/3 with fleet
repeat after me, tier 5U and tier 6 are totally even guys, they are just as good! what cruiser would you even bother to upgrade if you had this? maybe the avenger, with its 5 fore weapon goodness
That would be nifty; but which of those would be the hybrid slot I wonder?
Honestly though, I'm expecting it to be Lt Tac and LT Com Eng; so that it doesn't overshadow the Eclipse (I like your layout better though).
That would be nifty; but which of those would be the hybrid slot I wonder?
Honestly though, I'm expecting it to be Lt Tac and LT Com Eng; so that it doesn't overshadow the Eclipse (I like your layout better though).
its not an intel ship. those intel ships we got, might be the only ones, ever. there may be future tier 6 ships with other specializations other then intel, but those are yet to exist. the non intel ships getting released at launch, like this one, are almost certainly going without any specialization.
the eclipse, with its intel COM station, wouldn't be overshadowed at ALL. its got a built in LTC tac, and with the TLC eng too, thats really handy for getting all the eng essentials, and having room for maybe 3 Intel powers, easy
its not an intel ship. those intel ships we got, might be the only ones, ever. there may be future tier 6 ships with other specializations other then intel, but those are yet to exist. the non intel ships getting released at launch, like this one, are almost certainly going without any specialization.
the eclipse, with its intel COM station, wouldn't be overshadowed at ALL. its got a built in LTC tac, and with the TLC eng too, thats really handy for getting all the eng essentials, and having room for maybe 3 Intel powers, easy
I dunno, both cruisers having Lt Comm Tac slots just seems unlikely to me. They really seem to be pushing the aggressiveness of the Intel ships; if the non-intel cruiser had a LT Comm Tac slot too, then the Eclipse doesn't stand out as a DPS ship quite as much. I hope to be wrong.
Anyway... according to the Operations Pack blog, all the ships (at least, all the ones that were in the initial announcement) will have room for intel boffs; the inter ships are distinguished by having them at Commander rank, while the others don't.
its not an intel ship. those intel ships we got, might be the only ones, ever. there may be future tier 6 ships with other specializations other then intel, but those are yet to exist. the non intel ships getting released at launch, like this one, are almost certainly going without any specialization.
the eclipse, with its intel COM station, wouldn't be overshadowed at ALL. its got a built in LTC tac, and with the TLC eng too, thats really handy for getting all the eng essentials, and having room for maybe 3 Intel powers, easy
It was confirmed that every T6 ship upon the release of Delta Rising would come with at least one hybrid slot. That said, it might not specifically be Intel. Maybe some BOFF station that allows any specialization, Intel or any future specialization Cryptic decides to give us.
Just speculation though as to what the station will be.
It was confirmed that every T6 ship upon the release of Delta Rising would come with at least one hybrid slot. That said, it might not specifically be Intel. Maybe some BOFF station that allows any specialization, Intel or any future specialization Cryptic decides to give us.
Just speculation though as to what the station will be.
i recall reading the opposite. and them over and over saying not all tier 6 ships would be able to slot intel boffs, tier 6 =/= intel ship, but all intel ships = tier 6 basically. if you can point out exactly were they said that?
We really wanted this tier of starships to stand out and offer some unique features not found anywhere else. These ships can (but dont always) have hybrid bridge officer seats that can slot Specialist Bridge Officers. These special officers have access to two complete pools of bridge officer abilities. One of these pools is a complete suite of all new bridge officer abilities, while the other is an existing profession: Tactical, Science or Engineering. Its important to note that while these ships dont always feature a Specialist Bridge Officer seat, all of the Tier 6 ships launching with Delta Rising will feature at least one of these special seats.
Going off of that, it would seem that the Guardian should have at least one hybrid intel slot. Since it isn't an intel ship itself, I would assume that it should be a lower rank seat.
Going off of that, it would seem that the Guardian should have at least one hybrid intel slot. Since it isn't an intel ship itself, I would assume that it should be a lower rank seat.
i think we will see tomorrow, at least a blog for this if not the 5 fore weapon raptor and light warbird cruiser, according to twitter. they have contradicted themselves on this a bunch, and have said plenty they wish they could take back before they had everything half figured out. like assuring people the bug would be upgradable to tier 6.
if i had to guess what it would get intel wise, if it ends up with a LTC eng, that slot will be hybrid, and if not and its awesome, an LT eng at most, maybe an ENS too.
someone answer the phone, cause i just called it! nothing about compatibility with older ship skins unfortunately. thats what i would do if i were cryptic. tier 6 versions of older faction ships, that are a new skin but can use old costume parts too
lol I see they gave the guardian the suggested galaxy boff layout and console layout most of us have asked for years. Don't count on being able to use Galaxy or Ambassador pieces on the guardian guys, I seriously don't see them throwing us a bone. I don't think there will be ANY T5 ship parts useable on ANY T6 ship, they seem to want to keep them completely different.
Not to meantion cryptic has basicly given up on ship part swapping. Atleast compared to the original STO.
someone answer the phone, cause i just called it! nothing about compatibility with older ship skins unfortunately. thats what i would do if i were cryptic. tier 6 versions of older faction ships, that are a new skin but can use old costume parts too
yep! they also give a slight boost to turn and inertia like i suggested eon aggo for the gal x.
6.5 turn ( little boost, very good and they surprised me with the inertia, 35!! )
lt commander tact ( at last! ) and lt commander sci ( wow! )
good hull capacity, good console repartition, it don't have 4 tact console but 3 is good enought.
that what the galaxy retrofit should have been from the beguining.
it also have the potential to be much better than the galaxy x.
that is as much as we can hope for an efficient version of the galaxy retrofit.
but the fact that they don't give it galaxy part is coherent with cryptic behavior concerning the galaxy.
exelsior fan can have the ship they love at an efficient level in this game, ambassador's fans, same story, even for the minority of stargazer fan this is also possible.
galor fan, ferengi fan ( is that exist? ), all the tos klingons ship ( i am not sure about this, but i think that all new, meaning 2409, klingons ship have the ability to use tos ship part ), xindi fan....
they all, exept the tos constitution an efficient version at tier 5.... but that is not allowed for the galaxy.
anyway i think yeodred will be quite pleased, i don't known if this design is good enought for him tho.
someone answer the phone, cause i just called it! nothing about compatibility with older ship skins unfortunately. thats what i would do if i were cryptic. tier 6 versions of older faction ships, that are a new skin but can use old costume parts too
yeah I saw the layout and I was like OMG DDIS!!!!
lol
It's a good boff layout too. It might be a hard choice between the guardian and an T5U odyssey for me.
that view is kind of underwhelming. those were mini nacelles in the pylon? omfg why, thats pointless, they wouldn't do anything, or even be stronger then the drive coils in the impulse engine. god i hate it when they do stupid TRIBBLE on designs that violate basic trek tech logic. how exactly is the pylon structurally sound when they cut out a chunk of the frame and stick something soft right in the middle of it?
My, that is a lot of glowy things. Hmm... not really its best side in my opinion; I'd say the front view makes up for it, but we do spend much more time seeing our ships from behind.
I have to say, it's a bit of an oddity to me. I'm not sure what to think of it yet, I'll need to see it in game from every angle, compare the size, etc...So far I'm not feeling that special thing that'd make me fall in love with the ship, like I felt for the Mat'Ha ever since I saw the concept art for ex. I think I'll just stick with an upgraded Galaxy-R for my char that flies these type of ships, I know I love that ship even with all her flaws.
I need to take a good closer look of the saucer, it seems to me that it's kinda flat on the underside and I don really like that. Also need to see a better view of the shape streching from the neck towards the saucer and see how it looks, it does seem to have the "hand" holding the saucer thing Cryptic is doing for some reason (like the Venture for ex.) and I must say that can kinda' "kill" a ship for me.
Well, they need to tone up on the glitter on ships a bit, IMHO. I hope one of the ship artists is reading this and considers - sometimes less is more. For one, the 3 impluse engines are a bit of an overkill for me. If the saucer doesn't separate, there's no point to the aditional 2 impulse engines, the middle one would sufice and the ship would look prettier in my opinion. Like the Ambassador Class.
The engineering hull and the backside of the neck and the transfer towards the engineering hull is designed perfectly, really looks nice. I also do like the warp nacelles, they've done something new and refreshing with the design and it looks nice and apropriate. I just hope we'll have the option to "unify" the split bussard collectors, not really liking that.
However, I'm with ddis on the "smaller nacelles" inside the pylons part. Not only that it's not sound from an engineering standpoint of hull structure and adding anything of value to warp preformance, but it also looks just like more pointless glitter and a bit of an overkill in that regard.
The complete stat set of the ship, everything included (Boff layout, console layout, hull, shelds, turn rate, masteries, ship trait) is what my wildest dreams are made of. That said, I'm still starting of in a upgraded Galaxy- R when DR comes. When I see the Guardian live, I'll see if it gives me that "ahaa!" moment for me to really enjoy using one. I'll get one eventually nevertheless, since it's a very good looking ship all in all and a good exaple of modern design follwing the line of the classic and traditional - that is something I respect and want to support.
It's official: the Guardian obsoletes every T5-U Fed cruiser in the game, save for the Avenger which still has 5 forward weapons, DHCs, and cloak.
Who cares about "obsoleting"? It's nos ecret that the newest released ships will always be the best and I still use my Galaxy and will continue to do so, I still use my Nebula and will continue to do so.
What's more rage inducing is the pointless "fluff texts" Cryptic comes up with. *Now* Starfleet has the technology to create a ship with multi-mission capability and an equilibrated layout for tac and sci operations? that's supposedly every single Starfleet ship in existance. *ragesqueal*
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I liked the look for the most part until we saw the rear.
That third impulse drive in the middle either needs to move lower into the neck/engineering section or be removed or the side 2 removed and leave the middle in the saucer.
Not sure what the mini nacelles are doing or why they are there would look better if they were removed imo.
Lastly the back of the neck is throwing me although it's hard to pin down what exactly. Too wide at the saucer and the slope is more curved when the rest of it and the ship is angular maybe? Something needs to be tweaked on it.
The saucer proportion to the rest of the engineering hull size seems off too at least in width.
Other than that I will probably pick it up and the boff/stats are great! Then again I like collecting ships and tend to fly several during a session.
CrypticQuack posted on Reddit that the mini nacelles can be removed if you want. Customization options are neck, pylons, mini nacelles. These are 'some' of the customization options. In any case, I like her.
CrypticQuack posted on Reddit that the mini nacelles can be removed if you want. Customization options are neck, pylons, mini nacelles. These are 'some' of the customization options. In any case, I like her.
Good to know. Wonder what the alt parts look like? Can't wait to see.
CrypticQuack posted on Reddit that the mini nacelles can be removed if you want. Customization options are neck, pylons, mini nacelles. These are 'some' of the customization options. In any case, I like her.
awesome. all these ships that don't have a bunch of costume options, should have slight variants made for certain parts like this
CrypticQuack posted on Reddit that the mini nacelles can be removed if you want. Customization options are neck, pylons, mini nacelles. These are 'some' of the customization options. In any case, I like her.
And with that, I have no problems with the ship left. Most excellent.
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ideally, id like to see this
COM eng
LTC tac
LTC sci
LT eng
ENS uni
~7 turn rate
1.1 shield mod at least
probably 4/3/3 consoles to go with it, eventually 5/3/3 with fleet
repeat after me, tier 5U and tier 6 are totally even guys, they are just as good! what cruiser would you even bother to upgrade if you had this? maybe the avenger, with its 5 fore weapon goodness
That would be nifty; but which of those would be the hybrid slot I wonder?
Honestly though, I'm expecting it to be Lt Tac and LT Com Eng; so that it doesn't overshadow the Eclipse (I like your layout better though).
its not an intel ship. those intel ships we got, might be the only ones, ever. there may be future tier 6 ships with other specializations other then intel, but those are yet to exist. the non intel ships getting released at launch, like this one, are almost certainly going without any specialization.
the eclipse, with its intel COM station, wouldn't be overshadowed at ALL. its got a built in LTC tac, and with the TLC eng too, thats really handy for getting all the eng essentials, and having room for maybe 3 Intel powers, easy
I dunno, both cruisers having Lt Comm Tac slots just seems unlikely to me. They really seem to be pushing the aggressiveness of the Intel ships; if the non-intel cruiser had a LT Comm Tac slot too, then the Eclipse doesn't stand out as a DPS ship quite as much. I hope to be wrong.
Anyway... according to the Operations Pack blog, all the ships (at least, all the ones that were in the initial announcement) will have room for intel boffs; the inter ships are distinguished by having them at Commander rank, while the others don't.
Just speculation though as to what the station will be.
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i recall reading the opposite. and them over and over saying not all tier 6 ships would be able to slot intel boffs, tier 6 =/= intel ship, but all intel ships = tier 6 basically. if you can point out exactly were they said that?
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7001833-tier-6-ships
Going off of that, it would seem that the Guardian should have at least one hybrid intel slot. Since it isn't an intel ship itself, I would assume that it should be a lower rank seat.
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i think we will see tomorrow, at least a blog for this if not the 5 fore weapon raptor and light warbird cruiser, according to twitter. they have contradicted themselves on this a bunch, and have said plenty they wish they could take back before they had everything half figured out. like assuring people the bug would be upgradable to tier 6.
if i had to guess what it would get intel wise, if it ends up with a LTC eng, that slot will be hybrid, and if not and its awesome, an LT eng at most, maybe an ENS too.
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someone answer the phone, cause i just called it! nothing about compatibility with older ship skins unfortunately. thats what i would do if i were cryptic. tier 6 versions of older faction ships, that are a new skin but can use old costume parts too
Not to meantion cryptic has basicly given up on ship part swapping. Atleast compared to the original STO.
yep! they also give a slight boost to turn and inertia like i suggested eon aggo for the gal x.
6.5 turn ( little boost, very good and they surprised me with the inertia, 35!! )
lt commander tact ( at last! ) and lt commander sci ( wow! )
good hull capacity, good console repartition, it don't have 4 tact console but 3 is good enought.
that what the galaxy retrofit should have been from the beguining.
it also have the potential to be much better than the galaxy x.
that is as much as we can hope for an efficient version of the galaxy retrofit.
but the fact that they don't give it galaxy part is coherent with cryptic behavior concerning the galaxy.
exelsior fan can have the ship they love at an efficient level in this game, ambassador's fans, same story, even for the minority of stargazer fan this is also possible.
galor fan, ferengi fan ( is that exist? ), all the tos klingons ship ( i am not sure about this, but i think that all new, meaning 2409, klingons ship have the ability to use tos ship part ), xindi fan....
they all, exept the tos constitution an efficient version at tier 5.... but that is not allowed for the galaxy.
anyway i think yeodred will be quite pleased, i don't known if this design is good enought for him tho.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
yeah I saw the layout and I was like OMG DDIS!!!!
lol
It's a good boff layout too. It might be a hard choice between the guardian and an T5U odyssey for me.
i don;t hate it the secondary warp nacelles embedded in the pylons are interesting
http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/arc/be/cd/becdc0e7711c82eee63ed3f24c347ba01411431366.png
that view is kind of underwhelming. those were mini nacelles in the pylon? omfg why, thats pointless, they wouldn't do anything, or even be stronger then the drive coils in the impulse engine. god i hate it when they do stupid TRIBBLE on designs that violate basic trek tech logic. how exactly is the pylon structurally sound when they cut out a chunk of the frame and stick something soft right in the middle of it?
My, that is a lot of glowy things. Hmm... not really its best side in my opinion; I'd say the front view makes up for it, but we do spend much more time seeing our ships from behind.
Oh well, nobody is perfect.
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I need to take a good closer look of the saucer, it seems to me that it's kinda flat on the underside and I don really like that. Also need to see a better view of the shape streching from the neck towards the saucer and see how it looks, it does seem to have the "hand" holding the saucer thing Cryptic is doing for some reason (like the Venture for ex.) and I must say that can kinda' "kill" a ship for me.
Well, they need to tone up on the glitter on ships a bit, IMHO. I hope one of the ship artists is reading this and considers - sometimes less is more. For one, the 3 impluse engines are a bit of an overkill for me. If the saucer doesn't separate, there's no point to the aditional 2 impulse engines, the middle one would sufice and the ship would look prettier in my opinion. Like the Ambassador Class.
The engineering hull and the backside of the neck and the transfer towards the engineering hull is designed perfectly, really looks nice. I also do like the warp nacelles, they've done something new and refreshing with the design and it looks nice and apropriate. I just hope we'll have the option to "unify" the split bussard collectors, not really liking that.
However, I'm with ddis on the "smaller nacelles" inside the pylons part. Not only that it's not sound from an engineering standpoint of hull structure and adding anything of value to warp preformance, but it also looks just like more pointless glitter and a bit of an overkill in that regard.
The complete stat set of the ship, everything included (Boff layout, console layout, hull, shelds, turn rate, masteries, ship trait) is what my wildest dreams are made of. That said, I'm still starting of in a upgraded Galaxy- R when DR comes. When I see the Guardian live, I'll see if it gives me that "ahaa!" moment for me to really enjoy using one. I'll get one eventually nevertheless, since it's a very good looking ship all in all and a good exaple of modern design follwing the line of the classic and traditional - that is something I respect and want to support.
Who cares about "obsoleting"? It's nos ecret that the newest released ships will always be the best and I still use my Galaxy and will continue to do so, I still use my Nebula and will continue to do so.
What's more rage inducing is the pointless "fluff texts" Cryptic comes up with. *Now* Starfleet has the technology to create a ship with multi-mission capability and an equilibrated layout for tac and sci operations? that's supposedly every single Starfleet ship in existance. *ragesqueal*
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That third impulse drive in the middle either needs to move lower into the neck/engineering section or be removed or the side 2 removed and leave the middle in the saucer.
Not sure what the mini nacelles are doing or why they are there would look better if they were removed imo.
Lastly the back of the neck is throwing me although it's hard to pin down what exactly. Too wide at the saucer and the slope is more curved when the rest of it and the ship is angular maybe? Something needs to be tweaked on it.
The saucer proportion to the rest of the engineering hull size seems off too at least in width.
Other than that I will probably pick it up and the boff/stats are great! Then again I like collecting ships and tend to fly several during a session.
Good to know. Wonder what the alt parts look like? Can't wait to see.
awesome. all these ships that don't have a bunch of costume options, should have slight variants made for certain parts like this
And with that, I have no problems with the ship left. Most excellent.
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so you can't make it look like the galaxy at all?