However I would like to be able to accumulate the unused refinement allowances to roll over for a few days or so, or be able to bring forward the next few days of refinement so I don't have to log in every day, which has become annoying given the recent log-in server troubles and also not everyone can log in every day as they seem to want
The monthly sub/life subscription allows you to do just that, up to a weeks worth I think?
I know people have a LOT more unrefined dilithium than I do, some people have it in the millions, the 8500 a day cap sucks. I only ever bother doing the 5k dil mining daily from the [Dilithium Mining Claim], of which I have about 70 sitting in my inventory...
The only other way to refine more is another 1k from the NPC at the academy, but you either need 800 day veteran or a lifetime sub.
I'm sort of on the fence, I'm somewhat of a dilithium farmer. With reserves of ore numbering into several millions, and roughly about equal amounts of refined dilithium. Whilst I wouldn't overly object to the refining cap being raised, I wouldn't actively support it.
For example the minute the T5 ship upgrade possibilities were announced based on the assumption of a single upgrade costing any where from 500 to 1000 zen I immediately set about converting a small percentage of my available reserves into zen so I can upgrade every ship I have right off the bat if I wanted. So Based on the market at the time, and knowing a portion of my friends in game intended to do the same I traded enough dilithium in at 174 per zen to net over 20k in Zen.
We spent a good few hours looking in on the exchange from then on the dil exchange has continued to climb and I think it will continue to do so up to and including the release of DR.
I've heard and seen people complaining about how high the dil exchange is, even hurling accusations at cryptic. Because they think cryptic is manipulating the market.
Why wouldn't or don't I support raising the dil cap, well simply put if I was allowed to refine all my reserves in one hit, now bear in mind my stock is spread out over several toons. I'd convert the entire haul into zen. And if everyone else did the same, where do you think the exchange would be? Because I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be at the 186 mark it is/was. I think we'd be seeing exchange prices in the 200-300 range and then people would really start complaining.
If you want access to more dilithium refining capacity then roll more toons and make better use of the features that cryptic so kindly gave us in game.
I agree with this guy he just told my story lol If I can add anything to this well written post its this Start saving your refined dilthium I started saving my dil the moment they announced delta rising. Im only refining now not spending
I agree with the op, but because it is cryptic, dont expect any raise on the dil cap. In fact, this could be just another strategy to force players to "look" other ways to throw money in the game. We could have a long talk about the dili exchange as well, or the ridiculous rewards in fleet credits you get from contributing with dilithium in your fleet, and other things. But dilithium is the base of the currency in this game and the base to gather ZEN, so cryptic will do watever it takes to keep the dilithium ammounts as lower as possible. That way you will always look other ways to gather watever you want. Meaning, money.
Judging by the last time I played Neverwinter (about a year), astral diamonds weren't as plentiful as dilithium currently is, hence the higher AD cap. Also, AD is extensively used for the auction house, since gold in that game has very little use.
However, things may have changed since then. I'll have to check it out again at some point.
I know people have a LOT more unrefined dilithium than I do, some people have it in the millions, the 8500 a day cap sucks. I only ever bother doing the 5k dil mining daily from the [Dilithium Mining Claim], of which I have about 70 sitting in my inventory...
The only other way to refine more is another 1k from the NPC at the academy, but you either need 800 day veteran or a lifetime sub.
I'm not sure there is a limit to what you can stock. I usually do about 300,000 percharacter during the dilithium weekend. This takes about 2 months to refine - which is usually close to the next wekeend.
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just raising the refine level would be a disaster for the economy and even though your intentions are pure there are those who would take advantage, what would help out in the upcoming changes would be the ability to use unrefined dilithium for some key services like upgrading weapons.
I don't think it would happen though as cryptic want to squeeze as much revenue as possible from DR and who can blame them.
they want to get as many people buying dilithium as possible and the more the price of dilithium falls on the exchange the better for cryptic.
they want all those impatient people out there buying up lots of dil for lots and lots of money.
the only thing you can do is be patient, see what items you are likely to get from in game drops, you might not need to upgrade as much as you think, then when you have a nice stash of dil have a look at what items you really, really want to upgrade like special sets and such, don't do the 'upgrade now' feature and just wait for the timer, I know we all hate waiting but it will save you a ton of dil.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I'm for raising the dil cap for refining. I have a lifer in my fleet sitting on HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF UNREFINEd DIL.; and me a F2P player can easily get to the 8k limit in two hours or so. and refining 20K of dil and convert it to zen now only gives me roughly 100 zen or so.
This NEEDS to happen for everyone and you wallet warriors can shut up about it.
This NEEDS to happen for everyone and you wallet warriors can shut up about it.
Don't be stupid.
People who actually spend money will be able to buy more Dilithium for their Zen, due to the inevitable inflation from the increased supply.
Us "wallet warriors" only stand to benefit. Those who are already cap every day will see no benefit, as the price level will match their increased supply. Those who don't hit cap every day, the actual casual players, will suffer from the depreciation of dilithium.
i see alot of people yapping about the dil exchange.... SERIOUSLY!
the term "wallet warriors" is kinda accurate as i see so many people defending the idea of the 8k cap purely on that basis!!!
are you guys paid by the company to say that or are you simply dense by nature?
case in point utilising the dil exchange as the "holy grail", and the be all and end all of the STO game with in game currency is totally asinine.
point in fact:
pretty much every thing from Reputation stores to early game stores to fleet stores etc, fleet projects,rep etc all now require significant amounts of dil to purchase in combination with other elements like EC or FC..
the game has changed since the 8k cap came into effect. more elements of the game require "refined dilithium" and in plentiful quantities now.... yet the refining cap has NOT evloved with that game elements added.. that as of now HAS TO CHANGE! or shortly after Delta Rising launches you WILL see a decline in users playing the game, as the grind is more CHORE than PLAY!! and thats even if you buy ZEN as well in all this (and alot of you know this so chime up and say it! for a change)
people talk about supply and demand.. well in game theres plenty of suplies and demand but paying the equivilant of a small fortune is ok! yet "DELIBERATELY" capping the F2P players and even the casual gold members who buy a little zen to refine via the exchange on top of their monthly subscription every now and again is the exact nature of what is wrong with the overalll marketing and game design we are putting up with here..
your hurting the single players. the smaller to medium fleets and overall confidence in your product generally with that still being at that level!
Cryptic i challenge you.. PROOVE ME WRONG! and with the launch of Delta Rising.. humour you consumer base and throw them a bone by at least increasing this cap to no less than 15-20k.. you know it wont affect your zen sales or the dil exchange. but it will show good faith on your part to show your listening to your consumers, for once!
I notice nobody has responded to the last post. Guest that proves we are right since the defenders of the 8k cap haven't responded and try to bury this thread
i see alot of people yapping about the dil exchange.... SERIOUSLY!
the term "wallet warriors" is kinda accurate as i see so many people defending the idea of the 8k cap purely on that basis!!!
are you guys paid by the company to say that or are you simply dense by nature?
case in point utilising the dil exchange as the "holy grail", and the be all and end all of the STO game with in game currency is totally asinine.
point in fact:
pretty much every thing from Reputation stores to early game stores to fleet stores etc, fleet projects,rep etc all now require significant amounts of dil to purchase in combination with other elements like EC or FC..
the game has changed since the 8k cap came into effect. more elements of the game require "refined dilithium" and in plentiful quantities now.... yet the refining cap has NOT evloved with that game elements added.. that as of now HAS TO CHANGE! or shortly after Delta Rising launches you WILL see a decline in users playing the game, as the grind is more CHORE than PLAY!! and thats even if you buy ZEN as well in all this (and alot of you know this so chime up and say it! for a change)
people talk about supply and demand.. well in game theres plenty of suplies and demand but paying the equivilant of a small fortune is ok! yet "DELIBERATELY" capping the F2P players and even the casual gold members who buy a little zen to refine via the exchange on top of their monthly subscription every now and again is the exact nature of what is wrong with the overalll marketing and game design we are putting up with here..
your hurting the single players. the smaller to medium fleets and overall confidence in your product generally with that still being at that level!
Cryptic i challenge you.. PROOVE ME WRONG! and with the launch of Delta Rising.. humour you consumer base and throw them a bone by at least increasing this cap to no less than 15-20k.. you know it wont affect your zen sales or the dil exchange. but it will show good faith on your part to show your listening to your consumers, for once!
thanks for reading
you mean like crafting revamp... asked for didn't go over well.
DR was voted for.... people still whine
bug fixs and revamped contentv is this years main focus... people whining about not enough new stuff and their not doing enough bug fixs and revamps.
and don't get me started and new ships or moar cloak/better cloak fed threads
history says trusting the fanbase is a bad call.
and of course their will be a drop after DR people show up to see what the noise is about then leave again because they get bored.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
It is unlikely Cryptic will raise the 8k refinement limit because it acts a as source of revenue for them. People who are unwilling to grind or do not have the time to grind yet still want "everything" would then need to scale back their wants or purchase Zen to then exchange for refined dilithium. Since along with DR there will be more places for dilithium to go to, it represents an opportunity for Cryptic to earn some real money from this F2P game.
People can whine / express their opinions all they want, but I think in the end the cap will never be increased unless perhaps enough players ban together to boycott STO altogether and swear never to play STO ever again until Cryptic increases the cap. Would I like to see a cap increase sure, however, I am pragmatic enough to know it is not going to happen anytime soon.
The options are:
1. Continue to play STO and just deal with it without spending a penny. Prioritize the projects that you want to spend your refined dilithium on.
2. Pony up some real cash from time to buy some Zen for whatever you want to do. (I have purchased a little bit of Zen when Cryptic offers a 15% bonus a couple of times).
3. Say "Good Riddance" to STO and never look back. If the game is really pissing you off, then why continue to play? You may or may not be a hardcore Star Trek fan, but even people who consider themselves hardcore have a breaking point at which they will simply get up and leave.
Keep in mind that no one is forcing you to play STO other than perhaps yourself.
ok so the crafting and stuff was not well received!! fair point.... consider though
if it takes as long as it does (as they claim) to incorporate all elements in to a pack as big as Delta Rising)..
AND
they are adding to that element additions to a crafting system that upgrades your weapons etc via crafting. that costs (can ya guesss) more dil!!!!!
do we see a reasonable point here..
whining about stuff is one thing .. common sense and EXPLOITING the gripes is essentially a massive middle finger.
so i dont agree with the idea of anyone defending this subject.. you can talk all you want
the element in question is BALANCE!!!! BALANCE FOLKS.... between zen and DIL for all players .. cryptic needs to adress THAT!! and to scream the dannnged point THAT IS THE ISSUE! so please dont come back with the circular arguiment again anyone please as you know there is logic in this as a game design and marketing play... grow a set and for once really THINK! on this one as STO wont last more than 4 more years MAX with this distributionand market stratagy!
People who farm dilithium for zen will be worse off.
People who farm dilithium to spend directly will be a bit better off.
Not a good trade-off imo.
The zen market being accessible is more important than finishing rep projects a bit quicker.
Yep. 'Cuz people generally do not realize that there is a connection to the perceived amount of refined dilithium in the game and the people who are willing to exchange their Zen for refined dilithium.
Simply stated, if I am selling Zen for 150 dilithium and the refinement cap increases to 12k per day, then I know people will potentially have more refined dilithium, therefore I would increase my "ask price" to 225 dilithium which is a 50% increase that correlates to the refinement cap increase.
It can be argued that most people will not have the time to max out the 12k daily refinement limit. But the expectations of Zen sellers is that there will be people who can do and therefore the is justification enough to ask for more dilithium for their Zen.
the element in question is BALANCE!!!! BALANCE FOLKS.... between zen and DIL for all players .. cryptic needs to adress THAT!! and to scream the dannnged point THAT IS THE ISSUE! so please dont come back with the circular arguiment again anyone please as you know there is logic in this as a game design and marketing play... grow a set and for once really THINK! on this one as STO wont last more than 4 more years MAX with this distributionand market stratagy!
Okay, I admit it...
I am simply a sheep.
I play STO because it is fun so far. Plus I do not throw my dilithium at everything. If Cryptic was to suddenly cut the refinement cap down to 4k, then I would pause and re-evaluate the situation. If I am still having fun, then I will just continue to play. However, if it pisses me off to no end where I simply go into a rage anytime someone utters "STO" then I will simply abandon the game.
You can always abandon STO to help hasten it's demise...
Yep. 'Cuz people generally do not realize that there is a connection to the perceived amount of refined dilithium in the game and the people who are willing to exchange their Zen for refined dilithium.
Simply stated, if I am selling Zen for 150 dilithium and the refinement cap increases to 12k per day, then I know people will potentially have more refined dilithium, therefore I would increase my "ask price" to 225 dilithium which is a 50% increase that correlates to the refinement cap increase.
It can be argued that most people will not have the time to max out the 12k daily refinement limit. But the expectations of Zen sellers is that there will be people who can do and therefore the is justification enough to ask for more dilithium for their Zen.
some people can, and some people can't. Today in roughly 2 hours reach the 8k cap. Alot items are more than 8k in dil.
some people can, and some people can't. Today in roughly 2 hours reach the 8k cap. Alot items are more than 8k in dil.
Yeah, I certainly do not have the time to max out the refinement limit on all my 5 toons; especially during the weekdays. Weekends are possible, but I like to get outta the house every now and then for better reasons than just to go to work.
Sure, things costs more than 8k refined dilithium; it is like the carrot and the stick. That's what the grind is for it seems that is how MMO's operate. It generally should not be much of an issue for people who can prioritize what they want. Well... it's probably better to state they are more able to cope with the issue vs. someone who want to everything at once and also have instant gratification.
And on that note, it is time for me to log into STO to grind for some dilithium ore...
Yeah, I certainly do not have the time to max out the refinement limit on all my 5 toons; especially during the weekdays. Weekends are possible, but I like to get outta the house every now and then for better reasons than just to go to work.
Sure, things costs more than 8k refined dilithium; it is like the carrot and the stick. That's what the grind is for it seems that is how MMO's operate. It generally should not be much of an issue for people who can prioritize what they want. Well... it's probably better to state they are more able to cope with the issue vs. someone who want to everything at once and also have instant gratification.
And on that note, it is time for me to log into STO to grind for some dilithium ore...
not asking to do all toons. I have about 10 toons myself. I focus on some at certain times. and we are not asking for much. 15k would be fine.
the term "wallet warriors" is kinda accurate as i see so many people defending the idea of the 8k cap purely on that basis!!!
Either you have no idea what you're talking about, or I'm not understanding what you're saying.
I'm interpreting "wallet warrior" to refer to those people who pay real money to buy Zen. That is, they use their wallets.
Why would "wallet warriors" defend the 8k cap?
The supply of Dil vs Zen right now has the price at 185 Dil for 1 Zen. If the cap raises to 16k, that doubles the rate Dil enters the economy. That's an increase in the supply of Dil. The supply of Zen has not changed, so prices should shoot up to at least 300 Dil for 1 Zen.
This means that if you're a "wallet warrior" and open your wallet to buy Zen, you're now able to buy almost double the amount of Dil. The prices of Dilithium goods in-game, if unchanged, is now cheaper for the "wallet warrior".
Inflation of Dil relative to Zen is good for the "wallet warriors" who spend money, and is bad for those who don't spend money.
Either you have no idea what you're talking about, or I'm not understanding what you're saying.
I'm interpreting "wallet warrior" to refer to those people who pay real money to buy Zen. That is, they use their wallets.
Why would "wallet warriors" defend the 8k cap?
The supply of Dil vs Zen right now has the price at 185 Dil for 1 Zen. If the cap raises to 16k, that doubles the rate Dil enters the economy. That's an increase in the supply of Dil. The supply of Zen has not changed, so prices should shoot up to at least 300 Dil for 1 Zen.
This means that if you're a "wallet warrior" and open your wallet to buy Zen, you're now able to buy almost double the amount of Dil. The prices of Dilithium goods in-game, if unchanged, is now cheaper for the "wallet warrior".
Inflation of Dil relative to Zen is good for the "wallet warriors" who spend money, and is bad for those who don't spend money.
The exchange already has gone up. I couple years ago it was 115 dil for 1 zen. Now it's 185 dil for 1 zen. and that's no change to cap. What has changed is the amount of things that NEED dil. Fleet projects, Fleet gear, rep gear. all need dil, and some INSANE amount of dil. And wallet warrior is someone would can regularly and easily churn out cash for zen. good for them that they do. they got a job that allows that. not every body does. I had about 5 toons grind dil to about 20k with two that got the CE event completed and in the end that gave me about 1300 zen and I'm aiming for the KDF version of the Oddy which is 5000 zen. Oh then add to the fact we need zen to upgrade our ships when DR comes out so that's either wallet or MORE DIL GRINDING. raising the cap will not hurt the game at all.
The exchange already has gone up. I couple years ago it was 115 dil for 1 zen. Now it's 185 dil for 1 zen. and that's no change to cap. What has changed is the amount of things that NEED dil. Fleet projects, Fleet gear, rep gear. all need dil, and some INSANE amount of dil. And wallet warrior is someone would can regularly and easily churn out cash for zen. good for them that they do. they got a job that allows that. not every body does. I had about 5 toons grind dil to about 20k with two that got the CE event completed and in the end that gave me about 1300 zen and I'm aiming for the KDF version of the Oddy which is 5000 zen. Oh then add to the fact we need zen to upgrade our ships when DR comes out so that's either wallet or MORE DIL GRINDING. raising the cap will not hurt the game at all.
The exchange was over 400:1 @1point also, so anything you say holds no value. I won't support the OP because he's a blatant liar. If he does NOT have time to play STO then he does NOT have time to hit the refining cap.
The exchange was over 400:1 @1point also, so anything you say holds no value. I won't support the OP because he's a blatant liar. If he does NOT have time to play STO then he does NOT have time to hit the refining cap.
dude. two hours, 2 hours I hit the cap on one toon and that is even with some delays in moving. Again the increase in cap will not hurt but help the game.
dude. two hours, 2 hours I hit the cap on one toon and that is even with some delays in moving. Again the increase in cap will not hurt but help the game.
You have no idea what damage it would cause. You're only caring about getting instant gratification and that's what buying Zen is for. Please do not even think you speak for casuals.
dude. two hours, 2 hours I hit the cap on one toon and that is even with some delays in moving. Again the increase in cap will not hurt but help the game.
But the increase in refined dilithium available will make buying zen with it more expensive.
That, Imo, is a greater harm than having to wait longer to fill rep or other projects
You have no idea what damage it would cause. You're only caring about getting instant gratification and that's what buying Zen is for. Please do not even think you speak for casuals.
But the increase in refined dilithium available will make buying zen with it more expensive.
That, Imo, is a greater harm than having to wait longer to fill rep or other projects
How is it instant. I still have to do mission to get unrefined dil. and BUYING ZEN WITH DIL HAS ALREADY INCREASE. A remember there are several more things that need dil then when the dil was introduced. and some of Cryptic's choices causes me to not want to spend actual money but still willing to play for now. Sorry man not all of us have a T5 fleet and every rep done.
How is it instant. I still have to do mission to get unrefined dil. and BUYING ZEN WITH DIL HAS ALREADY INCREASE. A remember there are several more things that need dil then when the dil was introduced. and some of Cryptic's choices causes me to not want to spend actual money but still willing to play for now. Sorry man not all of us have a T5 fleet and every rep done.
DILX is still low, you obviously weren't around when it was high. If you don't have all reps T5 then you don't need DIL as much as you have less options to use it. Rep projects cost Marks, Expertise and Energy Credits, the reward DIL. You need to make choices as to what gear you want, owning every set isn't very intelligent if you're low on resources. Upgrading every item makes even less sense. You should really step back and evaluate why you play STO. If you can't ahve fun it might be time to take a break.
DILX is still low, you obviously weren't around when it was high. If you don't have all reps T5 then you don't need DIL as much as you have less options to use it. Rep projects cost Marks, Expertise and Energy Credits, the reward DIL. You need to make choices as to what gear you want, owning every set isn't very intelligent if you're low on resources. Upgrading every item makes even less sense. You should really step back and evaluate why you play STO. If you can't ahve fun it might be time to take a break.
and you need to evaluate how the game has evolved. 8k cap is now too small. again be a free to play player can get to the cap in two hours or less. Several of my fleet mates have TONS of unrefined ore they can't refined thanks to the current limit. Now we are not asking for no cap just a slightly higher one most agree to 15k.
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The monthly sub/life subscription allows you to do just that, up to a weeks worth I think?
https://i.imgur.com/qX1t50f.png
I know people have a LOT more unrefined dilithium than I do, some people have it in the millions, the 8500 a day cap sucks. I only ever bother doing the 5k dil mining daily from the [Dilithium Mining Claim], of which I have about 70 sitting in my inventory...
The only other way to refine more is another 1k from the NPC at the academy, but you either need 800 day veteran or a lifetime sub.
I agree with this guy he just told my story lol If I can add anything to this well written post its this Start saving your refined dilthium I started saving my dil the moment they announced delta rising. Im only refining now not spending
Is it?? thats the first notice i have lol. :P
AD is pretty much worthless. Hyperinflation.
Your "help" will send the price for Zen skyrocketing, completely cutting "casual" players out of being able to buy Zen with Dil.
As it stands, the cap is on a per-character basis, and dilithium is shared across characters. Just make more characters.
I'm not sure there is a limit to what you can stock. I usually do about 300,000 percharacter during the dilithium weekend. This takes about 2 months to refine - which is usually close to the next wekeend.
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I don't think it would happen though as cryptic want to squeeze as much revenue as possible from DR and who can blame them.
they want to get as many people buying dilithium as possible and the more the price of dilithium falls on the exchange the better for cryptic.
they want all those impatient people out there buying up lots of dil for lots and lots of money.
the only thing you can do is be patient, see what items you are likely to get from in game drops, you might not need to upgrade as much as you think, then when you have a nice stash of dil have a look at what items you really, really want to upgrade like special sets and such, don't do the 'upgrade now' feature and just wait for the timer, I know we all hate waiting but it will save you a ton of dil.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Somebody verified that limit for dilithium ore: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1146171
This NEEDS to happen for everyone and you wallet warriors can shut up about it.
Don't be stupid.
People who actually spend money will be able to buy more Dilithium for their Zen, due to the inevitable inflation from the increased supply.
Us "wallet warriors" only stand to benefit. Those who are already cap every day will see no benefit, as the price level will match their increased supply. Those who don't hit cap every day, the actual casual players, will suffer from the depreciation of dilithium.
i see alot of people yapping about the dil exchange.... SERIOUSLY!
the term "wallet warriors" is kinda accurate as i see so many people defending the idea of the 8k cap purely on that basis!!!
are you guys paid by the company to say that or are you simply dense by nature?
case in point utilising the dil exchange as the "holy grail", and the be all and end all of the STO game with in game currency is totally asinine.
point in fact:
pretty much every thing from Reputation stores to early game stores to fleet stores etc, fleet projects,rep etc all now require significant amounts of dil to purchase in combination with other elements like EC or FC..
the game has changed since the 8k cap came into effect. more elements of the game require "refined dilithium" and in plentiful quantities now.... yet the refining cap has NOT evloved with that game elements added.. that as of now HAS TO CHANGE! or shortly after Delta Rising launches you WILL see a decline in users playing the game, as the grind is more CHORE than PLAY!! and thats even if you buy ZEN as well in all this (and alot of you know this so chime up and say it! for a change)
people talk about supply and demand.. well in game theres plenty of suplies and demand but paying the equivilant of a small fortune is ok! yet "DELIBERATELY" capping the F2P players and even the casual gold members who buy a little zen to refine via the exchange on top of their monthly subscription every now and again is the exact nature of what is wrong with the overalll marketing and game design we are putting up with here..
your hurting the single players. the smaller to medium fleets and overall confidence in your product generally with that still being at that level!
Cryptic i challenge you.. PROOVE ME WRONG! and with the launch of Delta Rising.. humour you consumer base and throw them a bone by at least increasing this cap to no less than 15-20k.. you know it wont affect your zen sales or the dil exchange. but it will show good faith on your part to show your listening to your consumers, for once!
thanks for reading
you mean like crafting revamp... asked for didn't go over well.
DR was voted for.... people still whine
bug fixs and revamped contentv is this years main focus... people whining about not enough new stuff and their not doing enough bug fixs and revamps.
and don't get me started and new ships or moar cloak/better cloak fed threads
history says trusting the fanbase is a bad call.
and of course their will be a drop after DR people show up to see what the noise is about then leave again because they get bored.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
People can whine / express their opinions all they want, but I think in the end the cap will never be increased unless perhaps enough players ban together to boycott STO altogether and swear never to play STO ever again until Cryptic increases the cap. Would I like to see a cap increase sure, however, I am pragmatic enough to know it is not going to happen anytime soon.
The options are:
1. Continue to play STO and just deal with it without spending a penny. Prioritize the projects that you want to spend your refined dilithium on.
2. Pony up some real cash from time to buy some Zen for whatever you want to do. (I have purchased a little bit of Zen when Cryptic offers a 15% bonus a couple of times).
3. Say "Good Riddance" to STO and never look back. If the game is really pissing you off, then why continue to play? You may or may not be a hardcore Star Trek fan, but even people who consider themselves hardcore have a breaking point at which they will simply get up and leave.
Keep in mind that no one is forcing you to play STO other than perhaps yourself.
People who farm dilithium for zen will be worse off.
People who farm dilithium to spend directly will be a bit better off.
Not a good trade-off imo.
The zen market being accessible is more important than finishing rep projects a bit quicker.
if it takes as long as it does (as they claim) to incorporate all elements in to a pack as big as Delta Rising)..
AND
they are adding to that element additions to a crafting system that upgrades your weapons etc via crafting. that costs (can ya guesss) more dil!!!!!
do we see a reasonable point here..
whining about stuff is one thing .. common sense and EXPLOITING the gripes is essentially a massive middle finger.
so i dont agree with the idea of anyone defending this subject.. you can talk all you want
the element in question is BALANCE!!!! BALANCE FOLKS.... between zen and DIL for all players .. cryptic needs to adress THAT!! and to scream the dannnged point THAT IS THE ISSUE! so please dont come back with the circular arguiment again anyone please as you know there is logic in this as a game design and marketing play... grow a set and for once really THINK! on this one as STO wont last more than 4 more years MAX with this distributionand market stratagy!
Yep. 'Cuz people generally do not realize that there is a connection to the perceived amount of refined dilithium in the game and the people who are willing to exchange their Zen for refined dilithium.
Simply stated, if I am selling Zen for 150 dilithium and the refinement cap increases to 12k per day, then I know people will potentially have more refined dilithium, therefore I would increase my "ask price" to 225 dilithium which is a 50% increase that correlates to the refinement cap increase.
It can be argued that most people will not have the time to max out the 12k daily refinement limit. But the expectations of Zen sellers is that there will be people who can do and therefore the is justification enough to ask for more dilithium for their Zen.
Okay, I admit it...
I am simply a sheep.
I play STO because it is fun so far. Plus I do not throw my dilithium at everything. If Cryptic was to suddenly cut the refinement cap down to 4k, then I would pause and re-evaluate the situation. If I am still having fun, then I will just continue to play. However, if it pisses me off to no end where I simply go into a rage anytime someone utters "STO" then I will simply abandon the game.
You can always abandon STO to help hasten it's demise...
some people can, and some people can't. Today in roughly 2 hours reach the 8k cap. Alot items are more than 8k in dil.
Yeah, I certainly do not have the time to max out the refinement limit on all my 5 toons; especially during the weekdays. Weekends are possible, but I like to get outta the house every now and then for better reasons than just to go to work.
Sure, things costs more than 8k refined dilithium; it is like the carrot and the stick. That's what the grind is for it seems that is how MMO's operate. It generally should not be much of an issue for people who can prioritize what they want. Well... it's probably better to state they are more able to cope with the issue vs. someone who want to everything at once and also have instant gratification.
And on that note, it is time for me to log into STO to grind for some dilithium ore...
not asking to do all toons. I have about 10 toons myself. I focus on some at certain times. and we are not asking for much. 15k would be fine.
Either you have no idea what you're talking about, or I'm not understanding what you're saying.
I'm interpreting "wallet warrior" to refer to those people who pay real money to buy Zen. That is, they use their wallets.
Why would "wallet warriors" defend the 8k cap?
The supply of Dil vs Zen right now has the price at 185 Dil for 1 Zen. If the cap raises to 16k, that doubles the rate Dil enters the economy. That's an increase in the supply of Dil. The supply of Zen has not changed, so prices should shoot up to at least 300 Dil for 1 Zen.
This means that if you're a "wallet warrior" and open your wallet to buy Zen, you're now able to buy almost double the amount of Dil. The prices of Dilithium goods in-game, if unchanged, is now cheaper for the "wallet warrior".
Inflation of Dil relative to Zen is good for the "wallet warriors" who spend money, and is bad for those who don't spend money.
The exchange already has gone up. I couple years ago it was 115 dil for 1 zen. Now it's 185 dil for 1 zen. and that's no change to cap. What has changed is the amount of things that NEED dil. Fleet projects, Fleet gear, rep gear. all need dil, and some INSANE amount of dil. And wallet warrior is someone would can regularly and easily churn out cash for zen. good for them that they do. they got a job that allows that. not every body does. I had about 5 toons grind dil to about 20k with two that got the CE event completed and in the end that gave me about 1300 zen and I'm aiming for the KDF version of the Oddy which is 5000 zen. Oh then add to the fact we need zen to upgrade our ships when DR comes out so that's either wallet or MORE DIL GRINDING. raising the cap will not hurt the game at all.
The exchange was over 400:1 @1point also, so anything you say holds no value. I won't support the OP because he's a blatant liar. If he does NOT have time to play STO then he does NOT have time to hit the refining cap.
dude. two hours, 2 hours I hit the cap on one toon and that is even with some delays in moving. Again the increase in cap will not hurt but help the game.
You have no idea what damage it would cause. You're only caring about getting instant gratification and that's what buying Zen is for. Please do not even think you speak for casuals.
But the increase in refined dilithium available will make buying zen with it more expensive.
That, Imo, is a greater harm than having to wait longer to fill rep or other projects
How is it instant. I still have to do mission to get unrefined dil. and BUYING ZEN WITH DIL HAS ALREADY INCREASE. A remember there are several more things that need dil then when the dil was introduced. and some of Cryptic's choices causes me to not want to spend actual money but still willing to play for now. Sorry man not all of us have a T5 fleet and every rep done.
DILX is still low, you obviously weren't around when it was high. If you don't have all reps T5 then you don't need DIL as much as you have less options to use it. Rep projects cost Marks, Expertise and Energy Credits, the reward DIL. You need to make choices as to what gear you want, owning every set isn't very intelligent if you're low on resources. Upgrading every item makes even less sense. You should really step back and evaluate why you play STO. If you can't ahve fun it might be time to take a break.
and you need to evaluate how the game has evolved. 8k cap is now too small. again be a free to play player can get to the cap in two hours or less. Several of my fleet mates have TONS of unrefined ore they can't refined thanks to the current limit. Now we are not asking for no cap just a slightly higher one most agree to 15k.