No, its like getting into a team, and later on droping out because your performance isnt good enough to stay on the team. You can then either get back to how your performance was once, or just leave it be.
But its not like I dont enjoy your hate. Its unfounded, but appreciated.
Woodwhity, I was invited by you to DPS10K and I know from my experience its not the "community" you are trying to portrait. For me it was "look at this guy, he dared to speak his mind, that makes him a despicable creature, lets berate him". The thing I said was "maybe a setup with [Over] beams is worth looking at". Next thing, 3 or 4 guys were jumping one over another to devise a more colorful way to insult me. I left maybe 5 minutes later.
So yes, its both a friendly and helpful group. Enjoy.
And even if you invite me again, you may be sure I will not accept.
Sure, it contributes, but 845 in ISE is low. Real low. Really really really low. To the point that you have to be doing something very nonsensical with your build to achieve it
I think someone has to actually try to achieve that 845 - regular (blue) hangar pets usually get well over 1k. 845 sounds like the owner is running 15 weapon power, shoots one weapon at a time, never uses any attack pattern/attack modifier ability and spends most of the playtime watching respawn timer. Its actually hard to get numbers that low.
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Woodwhity, I was invited by you to DPS10K and I know from my experience its not the "community" you are trying to portrait. For me it was "look at this guy, he dared to speak his mind, that makes him a despicable creature, lets berate him". The thing I said was "maybe a setup with [Over] beams is worth looking at". Next thing, 3 or 4 guys were jumping one over another to devise a more colorful way to insult me. I left maybe 5 minutes later.
So yes, its both a friendly and helpful group. Enjoy.
And even if you invite me again, you may be sure I will not accept.
You know whats the sad thing about it, its debated wether crtdx3 or crtdx2 over (especially for AP) would be more powerful. So your question was actually pretty right, and it would have found common ground in higher channels.
But 10k has the problem that it is just 10k. Not so bright people are bound to be able to join, since the requirements are only 10k. Its like going to university, you might have many bright ppl there, but some idiots remain, which can get desastrous if the bright ones aint looking.
Long story short, even 10k has the typical community problem, some idiots remain and darken the fun of its members and its reputation. Its not something that will happen there, it can happen and will happen in any channel.
But 10k has the problem that it is just 10k. Not so bright people are bound to be able to join, since the requirements are only 10k. Its like going to university, you might have many bright ppl there, but some idiots remain, which can get desastrous if the bright ones aint looking.
Its fun to read this, cause the one who actually started insulting me is supposed to be one of your best and brightest.
No naming and shaming in here tho :P
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"Post your worst STF experience" seems to me like a 100% pve-thread. I am also only discussing pve-missions, as I consider pvp in this game a waste of time.
But If you go in pvp with a premade, the roles are defined and very clear. If you go with a pug, well, teambalance goes normally down the hill. But since I know pvp, I wont comment a healer for having. Not in pvp. PvP is maximizing his/her role. So everything thats not his role can be excluded.
But its different in pve. You dont have to use any slot you have for heals (or such) or situative consoles. You dont need the last 5% heal in pve.
If you go healer or high aux and dont use the vesta. use a torpedoboat. Sure, it has difficulties with shields, but for pve thats not a problem and is quite devastating if you use it with GW,TR and such.
So the comment stands, as its made for PvE.
That aside, as dps is decreased by dying, a good dps-player will be all in a pug: DD,Healer and Tank. So this is basically a whole team. I have tons of logs indicating this.
And lets be honest: At the end of the day its damage that gets the job done. And the more damage the faster its done.
Not carrying any form of healing in pve elites, is why I see soooo many supposed dps vessels, go pop continuously.
For me, even 1 death spells defeat!
2 deaths or more, looks pitiful, despite how high someone's dps can be!
Not carrying any form of healing in pve elites, is why I see soooo many supposed dps vessels, go pop continuously.
For me, even 1 death spells defeat!
2 deaths or more, looks pitiful, despite how high someone's dps can be!
If they die, they are doing something wrong. Because death=dps-loss, hence no (personal) records etc.. And I cant think of any ship, kumari aside, that would have no heal avaiable even at its fulles dps-approach. The virtue of a good player is to push the ship to the instability-line without crossing over.
As for my comment in the middle, it means, you dont have to use consoles that boost your heals or "oh-****"-abilities/consoles, which you might use in pvp. Its just a very different setting.
My worst experience has to be on Undine Assault. Me, flying a mirror qin full AP loadout, a defiant retrofit, 2 ha'paax's and a galaxy-x. we completely wiped out every rift lane, but as soon as we got to the killer, everyone left except for me and the defiant. we tried our best to kill that thing, but 20 minutes later it was down to 20% hp and regened to 100%. at that point we just went "TRIBBLE it." and both left. still dont know why they left, maybe they did it just for accolades? :rolleyes:
"sometimes the greatest ideas come from the biggest mistakes."
(unless it's Cryptic.)
Here is my compilation of players who AFK in STFs: [grumblegrumbleyourmom]
Well, you definately ARE new here, cause you listed only a handful. I seem to remember way over 50 of those guys, and thats not even a beginning of the list.
You DO realize that listing them anywhere will do no harm to them (they don't care anyway), and may cause harm to YOU? Naming and shaming is against forum rules.
Only reason to actually compile a list is to show it off and complain about own inability to sensibly dealing with the issue.
May 2013, automatic permanent ban for mentioning gold-seller sites pwebranflakes: this system is currently in place and working the way it should. moradum: I got banned for saying "I started my day with cutting off 3 MM off of the bottom of my cabinet"
My worst experience has to be on Undine Assault. Me, flying a mirror qin full AP loadout, a defiant retrofit, 2 ha'paax's and a galaxy-x. we completely wiped out every rift lane, but as soon as we got to the killer, everyone left except for me and the defiant. we tried our best to kill that thing, but 20 minutes later it was down to 20% hp and regened to 100%. at that point we just went "TRIBBLE it." and both left. still dont know why they left, maybe they did it just for accolades? :rolleyes:
It's entirely possible it was a shared network issue. Seen it happen to others and have had it happen to me. Bunch of people on my friends list will just simultaneously disconnect.
I had a horrible experience today! Queued for public KGE thinking whatever my character can take on all of the collective and win.
I got myself a team where only one, or two persons are responding to textual stimuli. No problem just keep going, but I noticed soon that my sci toon is doing more dmg then almost all of my team.
That can't be good knowing from experience.
One was shooting with some antiproton dual pistols, the other a fancy undine lobi store pistol TRIBBLE, the third had a assault blaster rifle thing and the last one the crystalline sword.
Somehow we did get to the last room, cleared the borg.
All that we needed to do next is to go to the room and start to destroying the nods. I m not good at extending that thing from the room so I asked if anyone wants the room ...30 sec nothing.... noone responding........I decided to go myself but soon 2 followed me.
Go away! I can do this alone but no they started to spam the a1 b2 a3 b2 OMG. I went back to the nods waiting for b3 but what after min the two of the returned as well. So back and forth, back and forth until some other dude left the match.
The two Sisyphus went afk and only me and the guy with the crystalline sword were trying to do it alone but I m only a sci and I m no one man team.
So even we decided in the end to leave the game.
Is this the fault of the game making everyone feds who fly 500 year old ships and its possible for them to be lvl 50 and have no clue about ground combat . They dont even use chat, but you know if you pm someone there is that sound notifying you, so if they are not responding does that mean that they dont even use sound?
Or is it that this is the first time that they played it? But still when cryptic releases a new mission even though I dont know anything I try to follow the group, so why cant these guys at least shoot what I shoot even if they dont know a thing? And why does the game allow them queue for the elites then?
I think most people, or at least new players, don't actually know how to use the chat window.
I normally join a mission and say hello, and 9 times out of 10 nobody will reply. Often you'll not see a single message in any chat window during most pugs. I don't think it's just a pug problem, its the same in a lot of non-combat zones with the exception of ESD/First City and the battlezone command (which is just spammed with team requests).
Most games you don't even get a GG or anything at the end.
Then you've got people who plainly don't care and will outright ignore any messages or team chat, they're the sort of people who drop you in it by going Rambo on the right side in ISE and mess it up whilst everyone else goes left.
Had a really bad HSE experience, but I can't put it down to the players. The Borg just seemed to have been doing seriously uber damage this time. In fact a lot of the elite content seems to have given elite NPCs a stealth buff.
What is with people today? I've had two runs in ISE where everyone's brains craps out the second they reach the first Transformer. Everything's fine and dandy, but once two Spheres shows up, it seems like half the team goes "AAAAAAAAH!" and runs off to fight them instead of pouring every last ounce of DPS into blowing up the Transformer. What, is it because I'm flying a TSABC that it means that you got uber DPS on your side and you can just run off and do whatever you want? C'mon, people!
Then you've got people who plainly don't care and will outright ignore any messages or team chat, they're the sort of people who drop you in it by going Rambo on the right side in ISE and mess it up whilst everyone else goes left.
There are two ways of looking at this situation:
1 the guy is an idiot and/or new.
2 you should be flatterd that he has trusted you and three randoms to do the near side without him
There are two ways of looking at this situation:
1 the guy is an idiot and/or new.
2 you should be flatterd that he has trusted you and three randoms to do the near side without him
BEST quote I've read today, bethshepard! LMAO!!
I have to concur with some of the recent posters on Borg STFs. The Borg are getting stealth patched, imho. Some runs have been really different in recent plays.
And we're either getting more newbies into the game, or ? I had a similar experience where players aren't destroying the transformers, but going after the Borg. Last night, two players decided to try destroying the transwarp gate before taking out either side. Two of the other players were going "WTF?!" and bailed after those players were chatting, "Help us!"
Um, yeah... they needed help. <g>
It's one of those times where you realize a.) half the team is gone; b.) lost cause when you're playing Elite with Captain Dunsel (x2); and c.) you endure the penalty and lockout because the STF is not going to complete any time quick.
(Yes, I've hanged on when players have bailed. This was a truly lost cause.)
Seems like a lot of the groups i've been getting recently have bad players who think they are good, or good players who think that everyone else is bad. Unfortunately for me i always end up getting mistaken for a bad player. Despite my username on here and my handle in game i'm actually not a new player :P I know what my ship can handle, i know how to observe other ships in my group to see what they can handle.
A really good one that has caused people to call me all kinds of names is Cure Elite. I actually have my pattern down for that place. Go left and downwards, kill bop, kill lower nanite, get upper nanite to low health and wait for next bop wave, kill next bop wave, kill upper nanite, nuke Negvhar (actually not a problem for most of my ships), kill next set of nanites, kill bop, kill raptor, kill rest of nanites, work on cube, kill cube immediately after last set of BoP, Evasive Manuevers and sprint to middle kill Raptors (doesnt take me long) if needed go to right side and help with their raptors. And thats it...like clockwork i do the same thing every time. If the other sides finish first it doesnt matter, spawning Raptors and the Roaming Negvhar+Raptor just end up all getting killed at the same time. People will freak out though when i pop my cube first because everyone else "isnt ready" but then they usually shut up once i go over and clean everything up.
Another good one is KVE and i get yelled at in there too but partly because my method of solo'ing the right side is kinda unorthodox hehe. Kill cube, go right, kill probes, go to right transformer kill rear nanites, shoot cube to get aggro, evasive manuever sprint to probes and kill them, kill two front nanites on the left transformer, nuke left side cube, next wave of probes is usually in range by now, kill them, right hand cube will also be getting into range. Since i have aggro on it cause i shot at it before i sprinted away he'll be coming towards me to the left side. Kill rear nanites on left, sprint back to front kill transformer and any probes that come near. When transformer on left is dead wait for next wave of probes and kill them then quickly kill right side before next wave of probes, then kill gate.
Had a weird run on ISE last night, only slightly spoiled by some idiot in a DSSV dropping grav wells on the generators and not on the swarm of nanite spheres that were cruising in. Luckily a couple of us were paying attention and flattened them with some cannon and torp volleys.
Was a bit annoying but added to the challenge so I didn't mind too much.
Seems to be a lot of that going on these days, players using abilities for completely the wrong purpose. I can only assume they are new.
Had a run last night, not bad with an uber scimi. Everything is getting battered down quickly. Except when I go left, I see him with no gens on that side, FAWing the spheres bouncing on the transformer. He got them down quick sure, no doubt he's got way more DPS than me. Still, no need to ruin an optional by trying to go it alone .
Potentially topping last night's ISE foolishness, just been through one of the most frustrating KSE games i've ever had.
We flatten the tac cube pretty easily and then I go right and everyone else goes left.
I kill the probes and start on the generators etc. Then all of a sudden everyone else is on the right too. But what was really bad was they'd not even killed the 2 probes that started over there before they raced over to where I was. Plus when they were on the right they were too busy trying to speed through the generators & transformers that they again ignored the probes.
So now i'm trying to cover both sides and avoid the two right side cubes they've spawned and not dealt with.
I got sick of covering for their incompetence and moved left to try and solo it myself but we'd already lost the optional as they'd ignored all the probes going past them whilst i'd been busy on the left ones.
Then i'm on the left and spawn a cube to take it out only to be surrounded by spheres and probes as they'e just blown the gate but not actually come over to help. I promptly died in a ball of fire as i was overwhelmed.
I got back in only to see them again ignoring the probes and had to race over to catch three that were inches from escaping. What was worse was the idiot sat at the vortex going 1-on-1 with a sphere but ignoring the probes next to him.
When we finally got to Donatra I just gave up and sat by the Vortex to watch the fun. Every time I got my guns lined up on her and had all my buffs up they would all rush into her face and she cloaked. This happened maybe 10+ times whilst i'm yelling into the team chat to keep back...silence.
It took them another 10 mins to kill her, although I eventually went back to help as it was pretty daft watching them all getting thalaron splatted repeatedly.
And I finally have a run worthy of this impressive thread...
Deciding it has become time to become more well-rounded as a ground player, I decided to start doing STF ground missions seriously, having only ever once before done Starbase 82 when I was still a fairly new player. I was all set up to go: I already had enough Omega Marks and Dilithium from space missions and Borg Red Alerts to get my Mk XII Honor Guard set. My Gorn toon has lots of lovely Skills Points in ground, and already had some of the nicer lockbox Traits to help in melee and survival on New Romulus. I had read the STO Wiki articles and walkthroughs on STF Ground, and decided it was time to start.
So after a few okay runs in Starbase 82 and Cure Ground, I joined the pug queue for Khitomer Ground Normal.
Ground. Pug. Yes, I know.
The first time I tried this mission, I was added to a pug that was already half-way through, and by the time I found the team, it was up to just before the boss fight. This time, I was there at the beginning. So I gave my usual speil, "Hi all... I'm new to this mission so will follow others lead". Nothing. Then the usual running around. I remembered that I could just rush past the first set of Borg as a couple of others did. Went back to heal a player. Got into the multilevel room, kill drones. And then...
"Node Alpha Two". Okay, no idea what that means but I'll just follow the other player. One who was rushing around doing very little. Then someone started up in team chat with "A2! A2!", then a little later "It's full of Drones!". Not terribly helpful. Then another player with "Get out of the room". Then a little later, it descended into "Noob" and "Idiot" (well, the less nice version thereof).
I had no idea who these two were talking to. I tried to clarify. I reminded them I was new, I told them I didn't understand what they meant. I even went so far as to say along the lines of, "Yes okay I've got how I'm a noob and an idiot, let's move past that shall we to what exactly I need to do". Another one word response along the lines of "A2" and" Drones!", with the other "Leave the room and go back into the corridor!"
The timer ticked down till we lost the optional. Finally, happening to stumble onto where another player was, who was shooting at the node when the forcefield went down, I took position and did the same. A couple of goes and I got the hang of it, as one player kept saying "noob" and "Get out back to the corridor!"
Yes, first time run and I had two trolls fighting each other for the Troll Crown.
And to top it off, another player chimed in, realizing they had been on the wrong chat channel (which happens), but it was really too late to do much by that time.
So I point out "Okay from what I can piece together from scattered in between the insults, what you need me to do is to go to each node, and fire at the node when the shield goes down?" and get the usual trollish set of responses back. Lovely.
Well, we quickly clear the rest of the nodes, destroy the Chamber, then head to the boss. I take on the Reman Borg, and he doesn't even get my shields down. That battle really only lasted a minute. And to think... actual, useful explanatory instructions meant I could have been useful and there's a good chance we would have gained the optional as well.
I went back to read the Wiki on that STF and it made perfect sense, as things do when you have some familiarity. And a few days later, after a run of Deferi Invasion Zone Hards with a pre-made team including some fleet colleagues, I get told in passing that many such missions have walkthroughs on YouTube :eek:
Do KAGE with a team from Public EliteSTF, they're always good and generally helpful.
I got IGE optional with them once. That was a beastly awesome run.
Then there was that one time when I pugged for IGE because maschoism, and got a Dental who Leeroyed every single room with a sword and kicked the living tar out of the Borg. We only lost optional (at 8/10) because they somehow froze him and the sci who was playing medic borked up on his heals. That Dental guy was a freaking BEAST. He went toe-to-toe with an elite tac drone utterly without fear, did a leaping charge that took out like half of Becky's HP while she was above the central platform, and generally outperformed the rest of the team--even me in my KHG MK 12 set with Adapted KHG rifle as my spare weapon.
generally outperformed the rest of the team--even me in my KHG MK 12 set with Adapted KHG rifle as my spare weapon.
STO Basics: Skill>>>Equipment. A good player will make even underperforming gear superior, but even the most superior gear is trash in the hands of a bad one.
I dont wont to imply you are a bad one, I think you are a middle tier player, but instead of being in awe and marvel about that player, you should just start working on yourself to get in the same league as he is, then even ground pugs will get easy.
Seems to be a lot of that going on these days, players using abilities for completely the wrong purpose. I can only assume they are new.
Thats not new; I see "players" dropping GW on transformers in ISE, choosing small increase in their DPS over buying more time for the whole team. Get used to it. Hell, some people even drop Tykens on generators because they do 200-ish damage per second...
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STO Basics: Skill>>>Equipment. A good player will make even underperforming gear superior, but even the most superior gear is trash in the hands of a bad one.
I dont wont to imply you are a bad one, I think you are a middle tier player, but instead of being in awe and marvel about that player, you should just start working on yourself to get in the same league as he is, then even ground pugs will get easy.
Well, to be fair, I was putting out respectable damage, doing basic tactics like shooting the heavy tac drones first because they do absurd damage and keeping my buffs on constant rotation (I had a kit specced for tactical buffs), but I was staying about 10 meters back and using my sniper rifle. This Dental guy was getting up close and personal and absolutely demolishing the Borg.
I think that I may have had slightly higher DPS, but this guy killed at least twice as many Borg as me, because he was able to do direct-to-HP damage AND take everything the Borg dished out.
I can save most KGE pugs with optional, but I can't save optional for a bad IGE or CGE pug yet. Only a matter of time, I guess.
I am my own worst STF report.
No Really.
There we were working the Undine Infiltration on Elite. I was distracted and died a couple of times no worries really. Its a very forgiving STF.
Then We were fighting the boss and I dropped the cover shield.....it locked me AND another player against the wall. had to use the /stuck command to get out.
I was suitably embarrassed.
"Face Palm" all around
Fyremouse
Proud to be a Lifer.
I earned my 1000 days the hard way and I still come back...
I found my fleet by pugging IGE (Omega Combat Division). I got lucky and got a team with four of them, and they showed me exactly how to do the optional (the only reason I kept queueing for it). I was impressed with them, they were impressed with me, they invited me and that's that.
My worst experiences always happen in KAGE (Khitomer In Stasis now). It's surprising how many people queue for that with no idea how to do it. I mean they're not even smart enough to just follow the team and learn as they go, as I did when I found my fleet in IGE. They run around and get lost, they enter the room and spawn borg, they stick around and fight instead of running to the next power node even when the team tells them not to, and they don't communicate at all. When all the nodes are destroyed and two or three of us run to the boss, they're running around the large room not knowing what to do.
It's like they're bots or they're letting their children play. It's not a question of DPS or even inexperience, it's sheer idiocy.
I am my own worst STF report.
No Really.
There we were working the Undine Infiltration on Elite. I was distracted and died a couple of times no worries really. Its a very forgiving STF.
Then We were fighting the boss and I dropped the cover shield.....it locked me AND another player against the wall. had to use the /stuck command to get out.
I was suitably embarrassed.
"Face Palm" all around
Fyremouse
Think we have all been there
My most embarrassing STF was a CSE where I fell asleep at the keyboard after being awake for over 24 hours.
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Woodwhity, I was invited by you to DPS10K and I know from my experience its not the "community" you are trying to portrait. For me it was "look at this guy, he dared to speak his mind, that makes him a despicable creature, lets berate him". The thing I said was "maybe a setup with [Over] beams is worth looking at". Next thing, 3 or 4 guys were jumping one over another to devise a more colorful way to insult me. I left maybe 5 minutes later.
So yes, its both a friendly and helpful group. Enjoy.
And even if you invite me again, you may be sure I will not accept.
I think someone has to actually try to achieve that 845 - regular (blue) hangar pets usually get well over 1k. 845 sounds like the owner is running 15 weapon power, shoots one weapon at a time, never uses any attack pattern/attack modifier ability and spends most of the playtime watching respawn timer. Its actually hard to get numbers that low.
pwebranflakes: this system is currently in place and working the way it should.
moradum: I got banned for saying "I started my day with cutting off 3 MM off of the bottom of my cabinet"
You know whats the sad thing about it, its debated wether crtdx3 or crtdx2 over (especially for AP) would be more powerful. So your question was actually pretty right, and it would have found common ground in higher channels.
But 10k has the problem that it is just 10k. Not so bright people are bound to be able to join, since the requirements are only 10k. Its like going to university, you might have many bright ppl there, but some idiots remain, which can get desastrous if the bright ones aint looking.
Long story short, even 10k has the typical community problem, some idiots remain and darken the fun of its members and its reputation. Its not something that will happen there, it can happen and will happen in any channel.
Its fun to read this, cause the one who actually started insulting me is supposed to be one of your best and brightest.
No naming and shaming in here tho :P
pwebranflakes: this system is currently in place and working the way it should.
moradum: I got banned for saying "I started my day with cutting off 3 MM off of the bottom of my cabinet"
Not carrying any form of healing in pve elites, is why I see soooo many supposed dps vessels, go pop continuously.
For me, even 1 death spells defeat!
2 deaths or more, looks pitiful, despite how high someone's dps can be!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
If they die, they are doing something wrong. Because death=dps-loss, hence no (personal) records etc.. And I cant think of any ship, kumari aside, that would have no heal avaiable even at its fulles dps-approach. The virtue of a good player is to push the ship to the instability-line without crossing over.
As for my comment in the middle, it means, you dont have to use consoles that boost your heals or "oh-****"-abilities/consoles, which you might use in pvp. Its just a very different setting.
Ok, enough with the naming and shaming...
(unless it's Cryptic.)
Well, you definately ARE new here, cause you listed only a handful. I seem to remember way over 50 of those guys, and thats not even a beginning of the list.
You DO realize that listing them anywhere will do no harm to them (they don't care anyway), and may cause harm to YOU? Naming and shaming is against forum rules.
Only reason to actually compile a list is to show it off and complain about own inability to sensibly dealing with the issue.
pwebranflakes: this system is currently in place and working the way it should.
moradum: I got banned for saying "I started my day with cutting off 3 MM off of the bottom of my cabinet"
It's entirely possible it was a shared network issue. Seen it happen to others and have had it happen to me. Bunch of people on my friends list will just simultaneously disconnect.
I got myself a team where only one, or two persons are responding to textual stimuli. No problem just keep going, but I noticed soon that my sci toon is doing more dmg then almost all of my team.
That can't be good knowing from experience.
One was shooting with some antiproton dual pistols, the other a fancy undine lobi store pistol TRIBBLE, the third had a assault blaster rifle thing and the last one the crystalline sword.
Somehow we did get to the last room, cleared the borg.
All that we needed to do next is to go to the room and start to destroying the nods. I m not good at extending that thing from the room so I asked if anyone wants the room ...30 sec nothing.... noone responding........I decided to go myself but soon 2 followed me.
Go away! I can do this alone but no they started to spam the a1 b2 a3 b2 OMG. I went back to the nods waiting for b3 but what after min the two of the returned as well. So back and forth, back and forth until some other dude left the match.
The two Sisyphus went afk and only me and the guy with the crystalline sword were trying to do it alone but I m only a sci and I m no one man team.
So even we decided in the end to leave the game.
Is this the fault of the game making everyone feds who fly 500 year old ships and its possible for them to be lvl 50 and have no clue about ground combat . They dont even use chat, but you know if you pm someone there is that sound notifying you, so if they are not responding does that mean that they dont even use sound?
Or is it that this is the first time that they played it? But still when cryptic releases a new mission even though I dont know anything I try to follow the group, so why cant these guys at least shoot what I shoot even if they dont know a thing? And why does the game allow them queue for the elites then?
I normally join a mission and say hello, and 9 times out of 10 nobody will reply. Often you'll not see a single message in any chat window during most pugs. I don't think it's just a pug problem, its the same in a lot of non-combat zones with the exception of ESD/First City and the battlezone command (which is just spammed with team requests).
Most games you don't even get a GG or anything at the end.
Then you've got people who plainly don't care and will outright ignore any messages or team chat, they're the sort of people who drop you in it by going Rambo on the right side in ISE and mess it up whilst everyone else goes left.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
1 the guy is an idiot and/or new.
2 you should be flatterd that he has trusted you and three randoms to do the near side without him
I have to concur with some of the recent posters on Borg STFs. The Borg are getting stealth patched, imho. Some runs have been really different in recent plays.
And we're either getting more newbies into the game, or ? I had a similar experience where players aren't destroying the transformers, but going after the Borg. Last night, two players decided to try destroying the transwarp gate before taking out either side. Two of the other players were going "WTF?!" and bailed after those players were chatting, "Help us!"
Um, yeah... they needed help. <g>
It's one of those times where you realize a.) half the team is gone; b.) lost cause when you're playing Elite with Captain Dunsel (x2); and c.) you endure the penalty and lockout because the STF is not going to complete any time quick.
(Yes, I've hanged on when players have bailed. This was a truly lost cause.)
A really good one that has caused people to call me all kinds of names is Cure Elite. I actually have my pattern down for that place. Go left and downwards, kill bop, kill lower nanite, get upper nanite to low health and wait for next bop wave, kill next bop wave, kill upper nanite, nuke Negvhar (actually not a problem for most of my ships), kill next set of nanites, kill bop, kill raptor, kill rest of nanites, work on cube, kill cube immediately after last set of BoP, Evasive Manuevers and sprint to middle kill Raptors (doesnt take me long) if needed go to right side and help with their raptors. And thats it...like clockwork i do the same thing every time. If the other sides finish first it doesnt matter, spawning Raptors and the Roaming Negvhar+Raptor just end up all getting killed at the same time. People will freak out though when i pop my cube first because everyone else "isnt ready" but then they usually shut up once i go over and clean everything up.
Another good one is KVE and i get yelled at in there too but partly because my method of solo'ing the right side is kinda unorthodox hehe. Kill cube, go right, kill probes, go to right transformer kill rear nanites, shoot cube to get aggro, evasive manuever sprint to probes and kill them, kill two front nanites on the left transformer, nuke left side cube, next wave of probes is usually in range by now, kill them, right hand cube will also be getting into range. Since i have aggro on it cause i shot at it before i sprinted away he'll be coming towards me to the left side. Kill rear nanites on left, sprint back to front kill transformer and any probes that come near. When transformer on left is dead wait for next wave of probes and kill them then quickly kill right side before next wave of probes, then kill gate.
Was a bit annoying but added to the challenge so I didn't mind too much.
Seems to be a lot of that going on these days, players using abilities for completely the wrong purpose. I can only assume they are new.
We flatten the tac cube pretty easily and then I go right and everyone else goes left.
I kill the probes and start on the generators etc. Then all of a sudden everyone else is on the right too. But what was really bad was they'd not even killed the 2 probes that started over there before they raced over to where I was. Plus when they were on the right they were too busy trying to speed through the generators & transformers that they again ignored the probes.
So now i'm trying to cover both sides and avoid the two right side cubes they've spawned and not dealt with.
I got sick of covering for their incompetence and moved left to try and solo it myself but we'd already lost the optional as they'd ignored all the probes going past them whilst i'd been busy on the left ones.
Then i'm on the left and spawn a cube to take it out only to be surrounded by spheres and probes as they'e just blown the gate but not actually come over to help. I promptly died in a ball of fire as i was overwhelmed.
I got back in only to see them again ignoring the probes and had to race over to catch three that were inches from escaping. What was worse was the idiot sat at the vortex going 1-on-1 with a sphere but ignoring the probes next to him.
When we finally got to Donatra I just gave up and sat by the Vortex to watch the fun. Every time I got my guns lined up on her and had all my buffs up they would all rush into her face and she cloaked. This happened maybe 10+ times whilst i'm yelling into the team chat to keep back...silence.
It took them another 10 mins to kill her, although I eventually went back to help as it was pretty daft watching them all getting thalaron splatted repeatedly.
Deciding it has become time to become more well-rounded as a ground player, I decided to start doing STF ground missions seriously, having only ever once before done Starbase 82 when I was still a fairly new player. I was all set up to go: I already had enough Omega Marks and Dilithium from space missions and Borg Red Alerts to get my Mk XII Honor Guard set. My Gorn toon has lots of lovely Skills Points in ground, and already had some of the nicer lockbox Traits to help in melee and survival on New Romulus. I had read the STO Wiki articles and walkthroughs on STF Ground, and decided it was time to start.
So after a few okay runs in Starbase 82 and Cure Ground, I joined the pug queue for Khitomer Ground Normal.
Ground. Pug. Yes, I know.
The first time I tried this mission, I was added to a pug that was already half-way through, and by the time I found the team, it was up to just before the boss fight. This time, I was there at the beginning. So I gave my usual speil, "Hi all... I'm new to this mission so will follow others lead". Nothing. Then the usual running around. I remembered that I could just rush past the first set of Borg as a couple of others did. Went back to heal a player. Got into the multilevel room, kill drones. And then...
"Node Alpha Two". Okay, no idea what that means but I'll just follow the other player. One who was rushing around doing very little. Then someone started up in team chat with "A2! A2!", then a little later "It's full of Drones!". Not terribly helpful. Then another player with "Get out of the room". Then a little later, it descended into "Noob" and "Idiot" (well, the less nice version thereof).
I had no idea who these two were talking to. I tried to clarify. I reminded them I was new, I told them I didn't understand what they meant. I even went so far as to say along the lines of, "Yes okay I've got how I'm a noob and an idiot, let's move past that shall we to what exactly I need to do". Another one word response along the lines of "A2" and" Drones!", with the other "Leave the room and go back into the corridor!"
The timer ticked down till we lost the optional. Finally, happening to stumble onto where another player was, who was shooting at the node when the forcefield went down, I took position and did the same. A couple of goes and I got the hang of it, as one player kept saying "noob" and "Get out back to the corridor!"
Yes, first time run and I had two trolls fighting each other for the Troll Crown.
And to top it off, another player chimed in, realizing they had been on the wrong chat channel (which happens), but it was really too late to do much by that time.
So I point out "Okay from what I can piece together from scattered in between the insults, what you need me to do is to go to each node, and fire at the node when the shield goes down?" and get the usual trollish set of responses back. Lovely.
Well, we quickly clear the rest of the nodes, destroy the Chamber, then head to the boss. I take on the Reman Borg, and he doesn't even get my shields down. That battle really only lasted a minute. And to think... actual, useful explanatory instructions meant I could have been useful and there's a good chance we would have gained the optional as well.
I went back to read the Wiki on that STF and it made perfect sense, as things do when you have some familiarity. And a few days later, after a run of Deferi Invasion Zone Hards with a pre-made team including some fleet colleagues, I get told in passing that many such missions have walkthroughs on YouTube :eek:
That was my last ever STF Ground pug.
I got IGE optional with them once. That was a beastly awesome run.
Then there was that one time when I pugged for IGE because maschoism, and got a Dental who Leeroyed every single room with a sword and kicked the living tar out of the Borg. We only lost optional (at 8/10) because they somehow froze him and the sci who was playing medic borked up on his heals. That Dental guy was a freaking BEAST. He went toe-to-toe with an elite tac drone utterly without fear, did a leaping charge that took out like half of Becky's HP while she was above the central platform, and generally outperformed the rest of the team--even me in my KHG MK 12 set with Adapted KHG rifle as my spare weapon.
Good times.
And that is why you wouldnt want PESTF-Channcel, because if you make a premade, you should get optional 99% of time.
STO Basics: Skill>>>Equipment. A good player will make even underperforming gear superior, but even the most superior gear is trash in the hands of a bad one.
I dont wont to imply you are a bad one, I think you are a middle tier player, but instead of being in awe and marvel about that player, you should just start working on yourself to get in the same league as he is, then even ground pugs will get easy.
Thats not new; I see "players" dropping GW on transformers in ISE, choosing small increase in their DPS over buying more time for the whole team. Get used to it. Hell, some people even drop Tykens on generators because they do 200-ish damage per second...
pwebranflakes: this system is currently in place and working the way it should.
moradum: I got banned for saying "I started my day with cutting off 3 MM off of the bottom of my cabinet"
Well, to be fair, I was putting out respectable damage, doing basic tactics like shooting the heavy tac drones first because they do absurd damage and keeping my buffs on constant rotation (I had a kit specced for tactical buffs), but I was staying about 10 meters back and using my sniper rifle. This Dental guy was getting up close and personal and absolutely demolishing the Borg.
I think that I may have had slightly higher DPS, but this guy killed at least twice as many Borg as me, because he was able to do direct-to-HP damage AND take everything the Borg dished out.
I can save most KGE pugs with optional, but I can't save optional for a bad IGE or CGE pug yet. Only a matter of time, I guess.
No Really.
There we were working the Undine Infiltration on Elite. I was distracted and died a couple of times no worries really. Its a very forgiving STF.
Then We were fighting the boss and I dropped the cover shield.....it locked me AND another player against the wall. had to use the /stuck command to get out.
I was suitably embarrassed.
"Face Palm" all around
Fyremouse
I earned my 1000 days the hard way and I still come back...
My worst experiences always happen in KAGE (Khitomer In Stasis now). It's surprising how many people queue for that with no idea how to do it. I mean they're not even smart enough to just follow the team and learn as they go, as I did when I found my fleet in IGE. They run around and get lost, they enter the room and spawn borg, they stick around and fight instead of running to the next power node even when the team tells them not to, and they don't communicate at all. When all the nodes are destroyed and two or three of us run to the boss, they're running around the large room not knowing what to do.
It's like they're bots or they're letting their children play. It's not a question of DPS or even inexperience, it's sheer idiocy.
Think we have all been there
My most embarrassing STF was a CSE where I fell asleep at the keyboard