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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Oh look, they actually found a ship uglier than the Intel ships to include.
  • luddimusluddimus Member Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Cool whats next, Delta reinforcements pack with a Talaxian freighter as the star prize??:cool:
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  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    acvoelcker wrote: »
    this = TRUTH!!!

    +100 for this post!!

    Devs, please make this ship a 3 pack bundle with SCI, TAC and ENG variants!!! (with a 3 piece console set for the Dauntless class only)

    Trendy,

    Can you seduce the Devs somehow to make a 3pack of the Dauntless?

    Don't know, maybe a sexy Dance of the 7 veils or something. Or maybe it would help If Smirk joins in with a Pole dance. :D
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Trendy,

    Can you seduce the Devs somehow to make a 3pack of the Dauntless?

    Don't know, maybe a sexy Dance of the 7 veils or something. Or maybe it would help If Smirk joins in with a Pole dance. :D

    careful, they may just lock you up in a cell and the next thing you know trendy is sitting nearby cooking bacon and torturing you with the smell of food and smirk coming in with a freshly made baguette, and some brown sauce.
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  • chiefbrexchiefbrex Member Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    STO is not a Star Trek simulator. It is a game designed with the intent of making players happy while playing it. This is the game where a 22nd Century NX can be seen flying next to a 23rd Century Connie, which is flying next to a 24th Century Centaur, which is flying next to a 25th Century ShiKahr. The game is not trying to be an accurate example of canon. It is designed to let each Trek fan geek-out in their own way.

    The Dauntless is a ship from canon, thus some people will want to fly it. They do not care why it is there, only that it is there for them to use.

    You missed my point entirely. The NX Enterprise, and the TOS Connie, as well as the TMP Connie, being in-game, were also bad decisions. Especially since the Constitution class was retired and completely removed from service. Not to mention, Gene Roddenberry wanted TNG to stand on it's own, without too much cross over from TOS. So, those ships you listed are in the same category as the ships I named.
    In Enterprise, they showed Dauntless class ships fighting in the 26th century.

    The inference has long been that the Federation would eventually build their own.

    Or, perhaps, the production team on Enterprise was just too damn lazy to create new ship designs for a scene lasting roughly 10 seconds, so they simply used whatever ship models they had on hand; for I recall also seeing the Rhode Island and the Prometheus in the same shot... And Gene Roddenberry himself said, not everything you see on the Star Trek series should be taken canon...

    So, my point still stands. Cryptic is doing nothing but throwing stuff at players they think they'll like and waste money on. This is no longer a Star Trek game. This is Craptic's "cash-cow". And they clearly don't know how to milk it properly. Then again, they've never HAD a real cash-cow game before. Ultimately, I'm just sick and tired of seeing the Star Trek franchise abused so horrendously by a bunch of losers like Cryptic.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    chiefbrex wrote: »
    You missed my point entirely. The NX Enterprise, and the TOS Connie, as well as the TMP Connie, being in-game, were also bad decisions. Especially since the Constitution class was retired and completely removed from service. Not to mention, Gene Roddenberry wanted TNG to stand on it's own, without too much cross over from TOS. So, those ships you listed are in the same category as the ships I named.
    No, my friend. You missed the point entirely. STO is not a Trek canon simulator. It is not saying it is canon. It is not pretending to be anything more then a Trek fanboy wish list game. If you are a TOS fan it has TOS ships, uniforms, gear, etc. If you are a TNG fan it has TNG ships, uniforms, gear, etc. It is the same for Enterprise fans, Voyager fans, DS9 fans, Animated Series fans, etc. The game is trying to be a little bit of everything for every type of Trek fan. It is not trying to be a pure canon extension. It is here so that TOS fans can giggle and have fun right along side Voyager fans. It is a game, not a canon simulator.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    careful, they may just lock you up in a cell and the next thing you know trendy is sitting nearby cooking bacon and torturing you with the smell of food and smirk coming in with a freshly made baguette, and some brown sauce.

    Did my therapist tell you my deepest wildest dreams? :eek:
  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    chiefbrex wrote: »
    Not to mention, Gene Roddenberry wanted TNG to stand on it's own, without too much cross over from TOS. So, those ships you listed are in the same category as the ships I named.

    .
    Well he failed as there were load of crossover with TOS Naked Now was a rehash of the naked time. Mccoy was in Encounter at Farpoint, Scotty Was in Relics. Spock was in Unification. The main crossover Kirk in Generation fighting side by Side with Picard. the TOS in Trials and Tribbilations yes a cut and paste job but a very good crossover.

    Tuvok was in Generations playing himself. Voy had Sulu in it.

    Star Trek is full of Crossovers some bad some good some pointless.

    But TOS is as much canon as the rest of the STverse (JJTrek not withstanding). But in a time of war that STo was in upon release the would have been had pressed to make new ships and the cheaper option would be to dig older ships out of museums and moth balls so Connies would be a option. Not really the NX class but it depends how mant Starfleet had as museum pieces.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    robeasom wrote: »
    Well he failed as there were load of crossover with TOS Naked Now was a rehash of the naked time. Mccoy was in First Contact,
    Also, do not forget that McCoy was in Encounter at Farpoint - the very first episode of TNG. Admiral McCoy was given a tour of the Enterprise D by Lt. Commander Data. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • raj011raj011 Member Posts: 987 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Do you think the Dauntless have a different Quantum Slipstream Drive or will it be similar to the ones that already on other ships? There is the standard QSD which you can travel for 30 seconds at Transwarp base speed 20, Advanced QSD on the Odyssey Star Cruiser, which you can travel for 1 min at Transwarp base speed 22 and there is the Vesta's QSD, which it has a different QSD called Chroniton Integrated Slipstream Drive, with a Transwarp base speed 25 plus it has 4X Slipstream turn rate modifier but no mention if it has a time limit so could someone post that information please. Should the QSD of the Dauntless be more advanced or less advanced since the technology was discovered in 2374 by the crew of the Voyager. Also did they download all the information on the Dauntless when they were exploraing the ship?
  • eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    dirlettia wrote: »
    I'd have thought this would have been the perfect opportunity for the ship to have been cross faction :(


    KDF is dead... it only survive as a way to grind dilithium. It's hard, but it's so the STO goes. :(
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  • shadowfirefly00shadowfirefly00 Member Posts: 1,026 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    From a purely aesthetic standpoint, this would be one of those ships for which the 'stealth' hull material would work quite well.
  • chiefbrexchiefbrex Member Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    robeasom wrote: »
    Well he failed as there were load of crossover with TOS Naked Now was a rehash of the naked time. Mccoy was in First Contact,

    WRONG. McCoy was seen in "Encounter at Farpoint." He was used to "pass the torch" from the TOS cast to the TNG cast.
    robeasom wrote: »
    the TOS in Trials and Tribbilations yes a cut and paste job but a very good crossover.

    This was Deep Space Nine. A series that Gene Roddenberry had nothing to do with, as he passed away in 1991, 2 years before DS9 went on the air. DS9 was strictly a Berman thing. So, epic-fail.
    robeasom wrote: »
    Tuvok was in Generations playing himself.
    Wrong again. Tim Russ was playing an unnamed officer in Star Trek: Generations, aboard the USS Enterprise-B. At that time, Tuvok, would've already left Starfleet, according to his backstory, as established during, "Flashback".
    robeasom wrote: »
    Voy had Sulu in it.
    You're right. But that was VOYAGER! My comment was about TNG. You're trying to lump DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise in with TNG, with regard to cross overs, in an attempt to debunk my previous comment. Try reading first, then keeping your example to the specific one given. In this case, TNG.
    robeasom wrote: »
    Star Trek is full of Crossovers some bad some good some pointless.
    There a few cross overs, yes. I wouldn't say "full". And you've clearly misinterpreted my point. Then again, you're desperate to prove me wrong, so that's understandable.
    robeasom wrote: »
    But TOS is as much canon as the rest of the STverse (JJTrek not withstanding). But in a time of war that STo was in upon release the would have been had pressed to make new ships and the cheaper option would be to dig older ships out of museums and moth balls so Connies would be a option. Not really the NX class but it depends how mant Starfleet had as museum pieces.

    I never said Star Trek: TOS wasn't canon. I just passed along a comment that Gene Roddenberry, himself, made about his own franchise - that not everything you see on Star Trek should be considered canon. As for your explanation as to Starfleet pulling mothballed ships out of drydock to serve in the Klingon War is implausible. For starters, Most Constitution class ships would've been dismantled. There might be one or two as museum pieces, but not an entire fleet's worth. And considering that there was relative peace from the time of Nemesis, til now, Starfleet would've had time to build enough ships that they wouldn't NEED to pull out mothballed ships to "sustain" the fleet. And they sure as hell wouldn't use ships from other Empires and Species, to "sustain" the fleet. Nor would Starfleet R&D develop a parallel design to Tauros' "Dauntless" design. There'd be no need. Especially since they just developed the Vesta Class, a ship design already designed for use with Quantum Slipstream.

    And I'm entitled to my opinion on this matter. I stand by the fact that I consider the addition of the Dauntless ridiculous. Next, they'll be adding the "warship Voyager" variant to the Intrepid Class, simply because "it's canon," and because "players" want it. Well, I'm a player too. And there's a lot I want to see in this game. But I'm not getting what I want. Why should others get what they want. Like I said, all Cryptic is doing is throwing stuff at players to make money. And you can sit there and say that this is not a "Trek simulator," but it IS. It's a simulation of the Star Trek Universe. And Craptic is throwing everything from Star Trek, from all series and movies, into it all at once. And it's just starting to get to a point where it's becoming too much. Not to mention that the KDF and Romulan factions are getting absolutely NOTHING from Craptic. If they want to throw stuff at players to use, do it to the KDF and Romulans. Leave the Federation faction alone. Although, it might be too late to ask for that, seeing as how they can't even get the Intrepid interior right.
  • nrobbiecnrobbiec Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    chiefbrex wrote: »
    And you can sit there and say that this is not a "Trek simulator," but it IS. It's a simulation of the Star Trek Universe.

    It's more based on the Star Trek universe than it is meant to be an active part of it. As stated too little in the game would make sense if you were to translate it to the TV/film universe, the multitude of alien ships, choosing from various uniforms. In my opinion the Enterprise episode "Terra Prime" was the last installment of the canon, everything after that is up in the air.

    It's a game, it's just meant to be fun and fanservice-y. And it's free, so in order for the business to stay afloat they need to offer additional material that stands the highest chance of making money. If that means it's disproportionately weighted to the Fed faction that's just the way it is, it's not like they ignore constructive feedback, hell they made the Romulan faction because it was wanted.

    There are less ships for the others so to say "absolutely NOTHING" is incorrect, if you said "practically nothing" that would be a more appropriate if subjective analysis. No one can tell you you're not entitled to your opinion but it seems it could be articulated in a more constructive way and ultimately you don't have to pay a penny to play the game so there's no need to lash out it's not like your paying for a service that does not meet your needs.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    It's more based on the Star Trek universe than it is meant to be an active part of it. As stated too little in the game would make sense if you were to translate it to the TV/film universe, the multitude of alien ships, choosing from various uniforms. In my opinion the Enterprise episode "Terra Prime" was the last installment of the canon, everything after that is up in the air.

    It's a game, it's just meant to be fun and fanservice-y. And it's free, so in order for the business to stay afloat they need to offer additional material that stands the highest chance of making money. If that means it's disproportionately weighted to the Fed faction that's just the way it is, it's not like they ignore constructive feedback, hell they made the Romulan faction because it was wanted.

    There are less ships for the others so to say "absolutely NOTHING" is incorrect, if you said "practically nothing" that would be a more appropriate if subjective analysis. No one can tell you you're not entitled to your opinion but it seems it could be articulated in a more constructive way and ultimately you don't have to pay a penny to play the game so there's no need to lash out it's not like your paying for a service that does not meet your needs.
    don't bother. he's just one of those roddenberry fanboys who think the sun rises and sets on what gene did, but he doesn't even realize gene got himself fired off of tng.

    the guy doesn't understand that all 6 tv series have different fan groups and that they all want to be reprsented in the game. he wants sto to be his way or no way, and then disguises his arrogance under an 'i get an opinion too' tag. lucky for us cryptic doesn't care what his opinion is. they added the dauntless because of the fans who have asked about it for years on the forum.
  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Also, do not forget that McCoy was in Encounter at Farpoint - the very first episode of TNG. Admiral McCoy was given a tour of the Enterprise D by Lt. Commander Data. :)

    Oops I meant farpoint not First contact
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    chiefbrex wrote: »
    WRONG. McCoy was seen in "Encounter at Farpoint." He was used to "pass the torch" from the TOS cast to the TNG cast.


    .

    I realised that just this afternoon serves me right with posting before I have a cup of coffee
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  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Since they did say there will be some part customizations for DR ships, wish one variant has very wide nacelle config., to resemble the proteus class, or better yet bring the proteus class to DR.

    Ship size: in the magazine, it says it's about half of the intrepid. Using ship comparison chart, it would be no bigger than the defiant. It should then have escort-like speed and maneuverability.

    Deep space exploration with such a small ship and crew sounds risky should that super slipstream drive be knocked offline or encounter some situation that needs more manpower to solve. No cloak? How would particle synthesis make up for that, and how would it down-scale 95% of ships that are larger than it? Would starfleet use the schematics to build a larger version to solve these issues?

    Nice ship otherwise, glad it comes with intel skin options. I'd now definitely buy a fed DR pack if they ever put one on the C-store as I wasn't fond of the scryer whatsoever. Although I hope they come with many more abilities than listed, or will just go back to inferior-upgraded 3-pack vesta.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,327 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I am thinking back to how many threads of people asking why the dauntless wasn't in game yet and a bunch of people saying various excuses that are now meaningless because its coming.
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  • theantisainttheantisaint Member Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    What about the Guardian? That's the ship I really want information on.
  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    What about the Guardian? That's the ship I really want information on.

    We are supposed to be getting a blog about that sometime today.
  • vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    chiefbrex wrote: »
    And I'm entitled to my opinion on this matter.
    Yes, Yes you are, and while someone like myself appreciates it for what it's worth, in the long run, you know what they say about opinions. ;)
    chiefbrex wrote: »
    Next, they'll be adding the "warship Voyager" variant to the Intrepid Class, simply because "it's canon," and because "players" want it. Well, I'm a player too. And there's a lot I want to see in this game. But I'm not getting what I want. Why should others get what they want. Like I said, all Cryptic is doing is throwing stuff at players to make money.

    It's just a game.... Just keep repeating this and breath easy.

    It really isn't the keeper of Trek lore. Even the series back flipped all over the place, reusing this ship, or that one. To that end, The dauntless class WAS REUSED as a Federation ship, in Enterprise "Azati Prime".
    Circle of causality complete.
    "In an alternate timeline, the Federation appeared to have adopted this design by the 26th century, with at least one Dauntless-class starship participating in the pivotal Battle of Procyon V. (ENT: "Azati Prime")"
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Dauntless_class

    I worry about people like you, I used to be one. It's just not healthy, or worth it even.

    There are going to be A LOT of things added to this game that are going to get you all bubble and fizzy. Bet on this.

    My advise to you is to just roll with it, or if you feel that strongly about it, stop supporting it, or just leave. Cause it really is as simple as all that.
    chiefbrex wrote: »
    And Craptic is throwing everything from Star Trek, from all series and movies, into it all at once. And it's just starting to get to a point where it's becoming too much.

    Cryptic is going to do, what Cryptic is going to do. No point in letting your blood pressure get all outa wack over it. Honestly, just try to enjoy, what YOU enjoy about the game. That's all I can offer you.

    BTW, insult Cryptic, and they will just ignore you, valid feedback or not - FACT.

    Cryptic is motivated by three things really:
    1. Getting people to play the game
    2. Getting people to spend money on the game.
    3. Achieving #1, and 2, as cost effectively as possible
    And they will do all kinds of seemingly wacky things that will leave you scratching your head to those ends.
    chiefbrex wrote: »
    Not to mention that the KDF and Romulan factions are getting absolutely NOTHING from Craptic. If they want to throw stuff at players to use, do it to the KDF and Romulans. Leave the Federation faction alone.
    The KDF has been up about this from launch, MANY others have rightfully posted post after post about this. Many have been banned for these posts, or simply walked never to be heard from again. And yet here we still are......

    Romulans? - There was a time when the KDF would have killed for what the Romulans have now. It's all a matter of perspective.
    chiefbrex wrote: »
    Leave the Federation faction alone.
    Not gonna happen. Revenue is the motivator here. Cryptic claims to have the numbers that support this.
    Best to make peace with this. or else you're just gonna keep being miserable over something that's not gonna change.
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  • tucana66tucana66 Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lovegun154 wrote: »
    It would be nice to have a Tactical variation of the Dauntless. Such a nice design.

    In listening to Priority One's latest podcast, Cryptic's Phil "Gorgonzolla" Z. stated that the Dauntless is "the Experimental Science Vessel".

    Makes me wonder if there are new Captain traits or consoles which will make this a true "experimental" sci ship...
  • z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yeah the priority one podcast phil talks about a tactical focused science ship, with the experimental side of it as well. He said 3 tac consoles, 5 sci consoles an 2 engi consoles, apart from that we will just have to see very soon.
  • tucana66tucana66 Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    westx211 wrote: »
    I am thinking back to how many threads of people asking why the dauntless wasn't in game yet and a bunch of people saying various excuses that are now meaningless because its coming.
    But, but...

    The Dauntless is in game... as a player title. :rolleyes:
  • raj011raj011 Member Posts: 987 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    raj011 wrote: »
    Do you think the Dauntless have a different Quantum Slipstream Drive or will it be similar to the ones that already on other ships? There is the standard QSD which you can travel for 30 seconds at Transwarp base speed 20, Advanced QSD on the Odyssey Star Cruiser, which you can travel for 1 min at Transwarp base speed 22 and there is the Vesta's QSD, which it has a different QSD called Chroniton Integrated Slipstream Drive, with a Transwarp base speed 25 plus it has 4X Slipstream turn rate modifier but no mention if it has a time limit so could someone post that information please. Should the QSD of the Dauntless be more advanced or less advanced since the technology was discovered in 2374 by the crew of the Voyager. Also did they download all the information on the Dauntless when they were exploraing the ship?

    Here is the link about the Dauntless Class plus other news on Tier 6 ships, Guardian Class is on the previous page. Now we know what type of QSD the Dauntless Classes will have, it is called Hyper-Advanced QSD and it does not give any more information on it.
  • vosorosvosoros Member Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Well that settles it, with the Dauntless class information release...this will be my new ship when Delta Rising releases.

    Combine the particle synthesis console with my trusty photonic displacer console and photonic fleet ability, and folk won't know what the hell's going on with them.

    ;)

    Also, my delta flyer shuttle will look like my starships baby!

    :P
  • xanothosxanothos Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    WOW REALLY ?? Cryptic, or Arc or whoever is running STO , $125.00 CASH!!!! for 1 ship , Now I think the company has gone and lost its marbles , this is a bit ridiculous , I don't care what ship it is , NO SHIP IS WORTH THIS MUCH!!! yeah yeah yeah , I know , I don't have to buy it , but to make such a ludicrous offer is beyond my comprehension. I paid the 1 time fee of $200 for my lifetime membership THAT WAS WORTH IT !! Hell I bet the expansion wont even be more than $40 - $60 , and yet they want $125 for a single ship. If they are offering up the expansion with T6 ships for each race faction Fed, Kling, Rom , and a preorder got you the Dauntless fine , or I could also accept the Dauntless going to the Veterans as a veteran reward ship too also acceptable, but by itself for that much money .. Im sorry but No Damn Way!
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,327 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    xanothos wrote: »
    WOW REALLY ?? Cryptic, or Arc or whoever is running STO , $125.00 CASH!!!! for 1 ship , Now I think the company has gone and lost its marbles , this is a bit ridiculous , I don't care what ship it is , NO SHIP IS WORTH THIS MUCH!!! yeah yeah yeah , I know , I don't have to buy it , but to make such a ludicrous offer is beyond my comprehension. I paid the 1 time fee of $200 for my lifetime membership THAT WAS WORTH IT !! Hell I bet the expansion wont even be more than $40 - $60 , and yet they want $125 for a single ship. If they are offering up the expansion with T6 ships for each race faction Fed, Kling, Rom , and a preorder got you the Dauntless fine , or I could also accept the Dauntless going to the Veterans as a veteran reward ship too also acceptable, but by itself for that much money .. Im sorry but No Damn Way!

    You rrealize its part of a pack that includes like 12 ships for a total of 125 its not 125 just for the dauntless.
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