Gorgonzilla (sp?) already specifically said that T6 ships will have 10 consoles and T5-U11 will have 11 consoles. Said earlier in the this very thread.
I suck at copying in these forums....
If you could just find the page number that would be nice. With all the thread merges I cant find anything anymore.
Gorgonzilla (sp?) already specifically said that T6 ships will have 10 consoles and T5-U11 will have 11 consoles. Said earlier in the this very thread.
Then, I officially don't see what the problem is. 500 Zen is easy to get, and if you're a subscriber, impossible to not get.
This, combined with the ship-levelling system, is finally adding incentive to bond with your ship and not just switch it every month for for whatever the new hotness in the C-Store is.
Many posters have mentioned that this is a business and that the powers that be need to make money. IMO this is a very FLAWED way to look at the situation. Its the kind of thinking that drove Zynga into dust - cheap, poorly thought out gimmicky cash grabs like what we've been enduring.
Is STO a product? - Yes
What is that product? - A GAME!!!
What is a game supposed to be? - ... fun?
I see people sucking up to this and similar decisions and they are entitled to that opinion as I am mine. IMO this process could have been done in a much more thoughtful and FUN way. Hell, it could have been done in a way that might have been pleasurable to pay/grind for. Upgrading should have been part of the new R&D system. Something you could do after crafting a complete Aegis set for example. Wow - and that only took 5 seconds of thought to come up with.
But no - it seems that it has turned into another attempt to assimilate my credit card and after paying for C-Store items for the last 5 years - why do so many not understand the frustration? If they're really going to go this way - I think T5 C-Store ships should be free to upgrade as well. We didn't pay to have the 3rd-best tier, we paid for what we thought was top end game content. Sure its an MMO and things need to change from time to time - but to continue to go about initiatives this way will only get you so far for so long.
A game can't be fun if the devs all show up for work hungry from their night sleeping on the streets because you want everything free.
You have no right to be frustrated at them trying to make a living.
Aw dude . . . you completely missed the point.
I never said that I wanted it all for free - in fact I suggested something that took me five seconds of thought that would perhaps make me WANT to pay for it. (see original post)
Neither you or I put money into a product because Devs are starving. Come on. You put money into a game because its fun. I'll use Zynga as an example again - they've gone to dust because of their proven failed method of micro transactions stopped being fun for consumers, ergo they tanked. Nobody is throwing money at them out of a sympathy to make a living or eat. In fact - the poor products they produce speak directly to their stock.
I never said that I wanted it all for free - in fact I suggested something that took me five seconds of thought that would perhaps make me WANT to pay for it. (see original post)
You actually didn't have a part in the original post where you paid for it.
Even if you did, there'd be an equal number of people screaming "I HAVE TO GRIND CRAFTING JUST TO UPGRADE A SHIP I BOUGHT!!!!"
T5U-10: Upgraded from regular Level 45 ship with 9 consoles. It gets the upgrade bonuses and 10 consoles.
T5U-11: Upgraded from lockbox/fleet/package ships. Starts with 10 consoles, percentage bonuses. Ends up with 11 consoles, retains percentage bonuses, gains upgrade bonuses.
T6: 10 consoles, no percentage bonuses, but has starship trait and "bonus bridge officer" power or maybe seating (we don't know yet for sure?)
Am I right with this? Because unless the traits/powers are very powerful, that would mean that T5-U11 ships are mechanically superior.
Hrmm, let me rewrite that in the way that I've been looking at it first - even if it's just repeating what you've said (cause I'm still pouring in the caffeine, forgot to sleep last night).
T5U-10: Upgrades of those 9 console T5 ships that can be upgraded. They receive +1 console, taking them to 10 consoles (thus my referring to them as T5-U10 or T5U-10 as you did...I prefer your T5U-10 actually, and will start doing that). They scale HP as you level to 60. They have access to the same 4 levels of Starship Mastery that all ships of that category/type do (ie, all Escorts have the same 4 passives).
T5U-11: Upgrades of 10 console T5 ships. They retain the advantages they have over T5 9 console ships (which is usually the +1 console (thus 10 consoles to start), +10% hull and shields). They receive +1 console, taking them to 11 consoles. They scale HP as you level to 60. They have access to the same 4 levels of Starship Mastery that all ships of that category/type do (ie, all Escorts have the same 4 passives).
T6: Are "upgrades" of the "standard" T5 level. They have +1 console compared to a "standard" T5 ship, thus they have 10 consoles (the same as a T5U-10 upgrade). As a "standard" T6 ship, they do not have the +10% hull and shields (nor the console, 10 not 11). They scale HP as you level to 60 (just like the T5U-10 and T5U-11's).
Then it gets complicated, imho, because of a lack of information. Continuing with the T6 ships...
They receive +1 BOFF ability. We do not know what rank this 13th BOFF power is. Could it be Lt? LCdr? Cmdr? Without additional information on that...oh well, eh?
The T6 ships at launch will have hybrid BOFF seats/stations. They will have at least one, but the T6 blog mentions the potential of multiple seats. Not all T6 ships that are released will have such hybrid seats. Some folks have read the blogs and see it as an additional seat. I didn't read it that way (no mention of it) - but some clarification on that could put those discussions to rest. We do know that the Specialist BOFFs in those seats will have access to two pools of abilities, the standard pool for the station (Tac/Eng/Sci) as well as their Specialist pool. This means you'll need to choose between a Specialist ability and a normal (Tac/Eng/Sci) power for each slot in the seat. Without additional information on those Specialist powers/abilities...and without knowing the species and their space traits...oh well, eh?
At Level 5 of Starship Mastery, they unlock the Starship Trait for that category of ship. You cannot unlock that Starship Trait on a T5-U ship. You can, however, use that Starship Trait on a T5-U ship. T6 ships will not be the only way to unlock Starship Traits - they will not be the only Starship Traits available, yadda-yadda-yadda.
Which is why I have said they haven't sold me on T6 yet, cause they haven't given me information on T6 that would balance it out - can assume and speculate all sorts of things, but until we get the blogs detailing some of that stuff next week or later...well, yeah, eh?
Why the hell you people rush to conclusions? Maybe T5-U will have some other bonus to make the equal with T6, or maybe T6 skillz wont be so good. + They are supposed to make money, you are in essence playing the game for free, nobody said you need to spend money to be good. This is one rare game where F2P isn't PTW...
Sorry dude, how do you not see this as pay to win? The only way to upgrade a T5 ship is to pay. (And they have already clearly stated that an upgrade will not be as good as a T6 ship) The only way mentioned to obtain a T6 ship is to pay. That is nothing BUT Pay to win since if you don't pay you are automatically at a disadvantage. STO has become the newest PTW. There is NOTHING in those blogsd but pay to win.
You actually didn't have a part in the original post where you paid for it.
Even if you did, there'd be an equal number of people screaming "I HAVE TO GRIND CRAFTING JUST TO UPGRADE A SHIP I BOUGHT!!!!"
What I said was:
" Hell, it could have been done in a way that might have been pleasurable to pay/grind for. Upgrading should have been part of the new R&D system. Something you could do after crafting a complete Aegis set for example. Wow - and that only took 5 seconds of thought to come up with. "
Now imagine if I came up with concepts as my JOB and actually spent more than 5 seconds thinking of something.
Again - maybe it wouldn't have pleased everyone - but I'll bet there are a lot of peeps that would like the idea of customizing their ships first hand. *EDIT* - I'd pay Zen for components to make that happen if it was done right.
Sorry dude, how do you not see this as pay to win? The only way to upgrade a T5 ship is to pay. (And they have already clearly stated that an upgrade will not be as good as a T6 ship) The only way mentioned to obtain a T6 ship is to pay. That is nothing BUT Pay to win since if you don't pay you are automatically at a disadvantage. STO has become the newest PTW. There is NOTHING in those blogsd but pay to win.
Uh, yeah... about that.
Second, all existing content, all new story content, patrols and most queues will not require a Tier 6 or Upgraded Tier 5 starship.
Only the most challenging new level 60 content will strongly benefit from using an upgraded Tier 5 starship or a Tier 6 starship, however it will not strictly require it.
So if you're a scrub that doesn't know how to play the game, it's pay2win. But if you actually have skill and talent, then what you already have right now should be good enough for even the most challenging content DR has.
Otherwise, T5-U and T6 ships are just crutches for bad players in terms of the most challenging content DR will have.
I wouldn't be surprised if teams of players use their current set-ups to do this challenging content just to prove they don't need T5-U or T6 ships to complete them.
Sorry dude, how do you not see this as pay to win? The only way to upgrade a T5 ship is to pay. (And they have already clearly stated that an upgrade will not be as good as a T6 ship) The only way mentioned to obtain a T6 ship is to pay. That is nothing BUT Pay to win since if you don't pay you are automatically at a disadvantage. STO has become the newest PTW. There is NOTHING in those blogsd but pay to win.
Ehm no its not, bc you can get PTW currency from playing the game and grinding a bit. But most of you just want the best without deserving it, so that you can annoy people that know how to play. After my last post, I was trying to complete Khitomer, my entire team had ZEN ships, I had a Mirror Patrol Escort bought off exchange. We completed it in an hour (!), and I was the only one not to die for the entire hour...
The T6 ships at launch will have hybrid BOFF seats/stations.
(. . . .)
At Level 5 of Starship Mastery, they unlock the Starship Trait for that category of ship.
Okay, now I see the point of T6. There was discussion a few months ago about how the game would eventually run out of ways to sell ships after they exhausted every possible combination of tac/eng/sci boff seatings.
This is how i see it, there is already more than enough Cstore Content in the game that you have to PAY for, if i've spent $25+ on a ship or package of ships that are Tier 5 why would i WANT to spend an additional $5 or $10 to upgrade them? it makes no freaking sense that Cstore ships aren't included in the Free to upgrade mess along with one free upgrade per char @ lvl 50... this entire system on what is supposed to be a F2P game is getting a BIT overzealous with the microtransactions and becoming more P2WIN, i started playing STO with the understanding that if i chose to never spend a dime on this game i could enjoy it, well ever since you killed Kerr'at warzone pvp and instituted all the Pay to win bs this game has really become unenjoyable which is why i quit playing for over a year, i came back with legacy of romulus in the hopes that the game would be better but honestly it's not, just more of the same "**** your wallet or make you grind incessantly" bs it was before.
Trust me, the new Classified BO type skills sound really powerful and versatile. More than making up for a console slot.
It's not quite that straight forward of a comparison though.
Say you've got a Tac Hybrid Seat.
X, X, X, X
So in giving up one of those slots for the Specialist ability (we don't know what rank any of them are, etc, etc, etc) - you're giving up one of your Tac abilities.
So it's a comparison of that Specialist BOFF ability vs. normal BOFF ability, +1 console, +10% hull, and +10% shields - and - potentially the Space Trait (Going to give up that SRO/Sub, eh?).
Which is where details on those Specialist BOFFs is kind of important...
This is how i see it, there is already more than enough Cstore Content in the game that you have to PAY for, if i've spent $25+ on a ship or package of ships that are Tier 5 why would i WANT to spend an additional $5 or $10 to upgrade them? it makes no freaking sense that Cstore ships aren't included in the Free to upgrade mess along with one free upgrade per char @ lvl 50... this entire system on what is supposed to be a F2P game is getting a BIT overzealous with the microtransactions and becoming more P2WIN, i started playing STO with the understanding that if i chose to never spend a dime on this game i could enjoy it, well ever since you killed Kerr'at warzone pvp and instituted all the Pay to win bs this game has really become unenjoyable which is why i quit playing for over a year, i came back with legacy of romulus in the hopes that the game would be better but honestly it's not, just more of the same "**** your wallet or make you grind incessantly" bs it was before.
^ Right there . . . a man who is suffering from Zynga-itis, which was my point and a stance that is becoming more and more common.
A game can't be fun if the devs all show up for work hungry from their night sleeping on the streets because you want everything free.
You have no right to be frustrated at them trying to make a living.
If the devs are starving in the streets it's not because of the playerbase wanting free stuff... It's because their employers are giving them sh*t for pay and giving the rest for corporate exec bonuses.
Let's be honest here... There is very little of anything in this game that is truely free. There is usually a task to perform in order to get the "free" item that Cryptic dangles in front of you with a stick. Though the free C-store giveaway starting tomorrow would look like something totally free, look at it this way... Usually they have done these giveaways to appease the playerbase for whatever reason. The things they give away are usually things that are not often purchased by the playerbase at large. They're not losing anything over items that are not really selling.
We got slapped with the info for the ship Upgrades coming with DR, now we get some free items to take some of the sting out of it. Cryptic is now wanting us to come out and say "Thank you sir, may I have some more?"
From what I have read so far, yes, it would appear that T6 ships will have some perks that T-5U doesn't. Does that make the T-6 ships better? IMO, not necessarily... just different.
I, for one am taking a wait and see stance until more information is given out... especially more detailed information regarding the things that supposedly set T-6 apart from T-5U.
I am, hovever, disappointed that Mirror Ships were not added to the upgrade eligibility list. Be that as it may, I'd still like to know more before stating that I fully support the upgrade system or am against it... not that it matters. They are going to do what they want to whether we support their decisions or not.
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I never said that I wanted it all for free - in fact I suggested something that took me five seconds of thought that would perhaps make me WANT to pay for it. (see original post)
Neither you or I put money into a product because Devs are starving. Come on. You put money into a game because its fun. I'll use Zynga as an example again - they've gone to dust because of their proven failed method of micro transactions stopped being fun for consumers, ergo they tanked. Nobody is throwing money at them out of a sympathy to make a living or eat. In fact - there poor products speak directly to their stock.
I'm not saying anyone should throw money at them out of sympathy, I'm saying you should not expect them to do their jobs without being paid. And it's pretty hard for them to get paid when no one is spending money, and your only guaranteed income stream is gold subscribers.
Your looking at this like their primary concern should be you having fun.
Meanwhile in real life, their primary concern is paying the bills, and there is only three ways to do that, since Gold sub fees are not enough keep enough workers keep content flowing to keep people happy.
You can have....
A. a game full the game with spam advertisements.
B. a return to the pay-to-play only format and require you to buy the updates like a certain other MMO we all know.
C. Micro transactions.
Lock box keys alone allowed cryptic to double their staff. And what, you think they work minimum wage? If Cryptic has a staff of say 100 people making 10 dollars an hour for an 8 hour work day, that's about $160,000 a month, before any other expenses. (I took accounting in high school). and I'm quite sure they are not making $10 an hour. another $3 an hour each adds about $48,000 to that monthly total. In one month, to cover everyone, it would require 4160 buying a 5000Z 3 ship pack all on cash, no stipend, no converted D.
Then there is rent, utilities, taxes, equipment costs, office supplies, advertisements, licensing fees if they are there. Those things don't come cheap and the San Jose area is not a cheap place to live.
As time goes by, certain revenue streams will dry up. People are not going to spend money on things anymore, so new streams need to be generated, or else everything you said about Zynga will happen anyway.
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
^ Right there . . . a man who is suffering from Zynga-itis, which was my point and a stance that is becoming more and more common.
Given that Zen is actually available for free, and we don't know if people will be able to trade the upgrade item like fleet modules, it's a bit premature and rather silly.
:mad: i had just purchased the rommie dreadnought set - 2 days later they announce that they doing these upgrades - where i can after forking out 5k zen for the set upgrade them to T6 which will be a lil better but not as good as a T6 ability wise - and i will have to pay to upgrade my fleet avenger and any other bought/promotional ship i wish to use - leaving my jem which i can upgrade for free.
Maybe its time to switch to War commander or something else less heavy on the wallet
It's not quite that straight forward of a comparison though.
Say you've got a Tac Hybrid Seat.
X, X, X, X
So in giving up one of those slots for the Specialist ability (we don't know what rank any of them are, etc, etc, etc) - you're giving up one of your Tac abilities.
So it's a comparison of that Specialist BOFF ability vs. normal BOFF ability, +1 console, +10% hull, and +10% shields - and - potentially the Space Trait (Going to give up that SRO/Sub, eh?).
Which is where details on those Specialist BOFFs is kind of important...
I do not want to get anyone into real trouble, so I can't be specific.
All I'll say is google is your friend, and versatility ina Com seat is very good.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
:mad: i had just purchased the rommie dreadnought set - 2 days later they announce that they doing these upgrades - where i can after forking out 5k zen for the set upgrade them to T6 which will be a lil better but not as good as a T6 ability wise - and i will have to pay to upgrade my fleet avenger and any other bought/promotional ship i wish to use - leaving my jem which i can upgrade for free.
1) We're actually talking right now about how T5U-11 ships like the Scimitar might be better than T6 ships.
2) You don't have to pay anything. The upgrade is optional, and possibly even unnecessary. All the new content is based around your current ship, and they haven't announced if the upgrades will be available on the exchange yet.
We have a game that we can play for free, we don't have to spend any money and still be competitive (don't tell me you cant, you can get mirror ships of exchange for nothing,you get a free T5 ship at level 40 and you can buy the other two for 80k dil each, and grinding every day for an hour or two to get equipment isn't hard at all) + currency that we can buy with money is avalible for "free", but we still have players that constantly call this game P2W...
Ehm no its not, bc you can get PTW currency from playing the game and grinding a bit. But most of you just want the best without deserving it, so that you can annoy people that know how to play. After my last post, I was trying to complete Khitomer, my entire team had ZEN ships, I had a Mirror Patrol Escort bought off exchange. We completed it in an hour (!), and I was the only one not to die for the entire hour...
Whoa there 'buddy'. Want the best without deserving it? Annoy people who know how to play?
Who are you to decise who deserves what? I've leveled more charcters than most, done more testing than most, but you decide I don't know how to play? You make alot of assumptions for someone so "superior" to other players.
Now, Im fly both level up ships and Zen ships. Yes, I paid CASH money for some of my ships. And even I can see this move as pay to win. Read the blogs. There is no way older (T5) ships will or can be on an equal footing with T6 ships. It clearly ates that even an upgraded T5 ship will not be as good as a T6. When yhou have to pay for something to compete on an equal footing it IS pay to win. Those who pay will win.
For those that are angry because they think they'll need to spend money to win, quite the opposite is what is happening with this game. Cryptic is getting those of us that want the absolute best to pay but for those that are happy with really really good it's gotten even cheaper.
1. Cryptic has been encouraging deflation in the EC market for some time. Very awesome weapons and consoles that used to cost 10 of millions of EC now go for a million if you are lucky. The prices on EC market have dropped drastically and have not curved with the increasing zen pricing.
2. Give away ships upgrade to T5U for FREE!!! Risian Vette and Cruiser plus the Chel Grett are getting updated for free. For all of the complaints about T5U it is still a huge boost. Who needs to pay you ask? Those of us that bought c-store ships and upgraded fleet ships. We are being asked to pay again.
Whoa there 'buddy'. Want the best without deserving it? Annoy people who know how to play?
Who are you to decise who deserves what? I've leveled more charcters than most, done more testing than most
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If you could just find the page number that would be nice. With all the thread merges I cant find anything anymore.
Then, I officially don't see what the problem is. 500 Zen is easy to get, and if you're a subscriber, impossible to not get.
This, combined with the ship-levelling system, is finally adding incentive to bond with your ship and not just switch it every month for for whatever the new hotness in the C-Store is.
Aw dude . . . you completely missed the point.
I never said that I wanted it all for free - in fact I suggested something that took me five seconds of thought that would perhaps make me WANT to pay for it. (see original post)
Neither you or I put money into a product because Devs are starving. Come on. You put money into a game because its fun. I'll use Zynga as an example again - they've gone to dust because of their proven failed method of micro transactions stopped being fun for consumers, ergo they tanked. Nobody is throwing money at them out of a sympathy to make a living or eat. In fact - the poor products they produce speak directly to their stock.
You actually didn't have a part in the original post where you paid for it.
Even if you did, there'd be an equal number of people screaming "I HAVE TO GRIND CRAFTING JUST TO UPGRADE A SHIP I BOUGHT!!!!"
Hrmm, let me rewrite that in the way that I've been looking at it first - even if it's just repeating what you've said (cause I'm still pouring in the caffeine, forgot to sleep last night).
T5U-10: Upgrades of those 9 console T5 ships that can be upgraded. They receive +1 console, taking them to 10 consoles (thus my referring to them as T5-U10 or T5U-10 as you did...I prefer your T5U-10 actually, and will start doing that). They scale HP as you level to 60. They have access to the same 4 levels of Starship Mastery that all ships of that category/type do (ie, all Escorts have the same 4 passives).
T5U-11: Upgrades of 10 console T5 ships. They retain the advantages they have over T5 9 console ships (which is usually the +1 console (thus 10 consoles to start), +10% hull and shields). They receive +1 console, taking them to 11 consoles. They scale HP as you level to 60. They have access to the same 4 levels of Starship Mastery that all ships of that category/type do (ie, all Escorts have the same 4 passives).
T6: Are "upgrades" of the "standard" T5 level. They have +1 console compared to a "standard" T5 ship, thus they have 10 consoles (the same as a T5U-10 upgrade). As a "standard" T6 ship, they do not have the +10% hull and shields (nor the console, 10 not 11). They scale HP as you level to 60 (just like the T5U-10 and T5U-11's).
Then it gets complicated, imho, because of a lack of information. Continuing with the T6 ships...
They receive +1 BOFF ability. We do not know what rank this 13th BOFF power is. Could it be Lt? LCdr? Cmdr? Without additional information on that...oh well, eh?
The T6 ships at launch will have hybrid BOFF seats/stations. They will have at least one, but the T6 blog mentions the potential of multiple seats. Not all T6 ships that are released will have such hybrid seats. Some folks have read the blogs and see it as an additional seat. I didn't read it that way (no mention of it) - but some clarification on that could put those discussions to rest. We do know that the Specialist BOFFs in those seats will have access to two pools of abilities, the standard pool for the station (Tac/Eng/Sci) as well as their Specialist pool. This means you'll need to choose between a Specialist ability and a normal (Tac/Eng/Sci) power for each slot in the seat. Without additional information on those Specialist powers/abilities...and without knowing the species and their space traits...oh well, eh?
At Level 5 of Starship Mastery, they unlock the Starship Trait for that category of ship. You cannot unlock that Starship Trait on a T5-U ship. You can, however, use that Starship Trait on a T5-U ship. T6 ships will not be the only way to unlock Starship Traits - they will not be the only Starship Traits available, yadda-yadda-yadda.
So the way I've described it in posts...
T5U-11:
+1 console
+10% hull
+10% shield
T6:
+1 BOFF ability
Hybrid BOFF seat
Ability to unlock Starship Trait
Which is why I have said they haven't sold me on T6 yet, cause they haven't given me information on T6 that would balance it out - can assume and speculate all sorts of things, but until we get the blogs detailing some of that stuff next week or later...well, yeah, eh?
Very true. But at least that would a be a little better and make more sense. But, as you pointed out, nowhere near satisfactory for some,if not, most.
Sorry dude, how do you not see this as pay to win? The only way to upgrade a T5 ship is to pay. (And they have already clearly stated that an upgrade will not be as good as a T6 ship) The only way mentioned to obtain a T6 ship is to pay. That is nothing BUT Pay to win since if you don't pay you are automatically at a disadvantage. STO has become the newest PTW. There is NOTHING in those blogsd but pay to win.
Here are the links to the Gorngonzolla and Geko posts in the thread:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18862621&postcount=1701
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18835641&postcount=618
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18831241&postcount=331
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18829041&postcount=180
Here's the link to the dev tracker where you can follow what the devs/Cryptic/PWE have said:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/search.php?searchid=103828891
Can also find it by going to the main page of the forums: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/index.php :and click on the third item there, Dev Tracker.
What I said was:
" Hell, it could have been done in a way that might have been pleasurable to pay/grind for. Upgrading should have been part of the new R&D system. Something you could do after crafting a complete Aegis set for example. Wow - and that only took 5 seconds of thought to come up with. "
Now imagine if I came up with concepts as my JOB and actually spent more than 5 seconds thinking of something.
Again - maybe it wouldn't have pleased everyone - but I'll bet there are a lot of peeps that would like the idea of customizing their ships first hand. *EDIT* - I'd pay Zen for components to make that happen if it was done right.
Uh, yeah... about that.
So if you're a scrub that doesn't know how to play the game, it's pay2win. But if you actually have skill and talent, then what you already have right now should be good enough for even the most challenging content DR has.
Otherwise, T5-U and T6 ships are just crutches for bad players in terms of the most challenging content DR will have.
I wouldn't be surprised if teams of players use their current set-ups to do this challenging content just to prove they don't need T5-U or T6 ships to complete them.
Ehm no its not, bc you can get PTW currency from playing the game and grinding a bit. But most of you just want the best without deserving it, so that you can annoy people that know how to play. After my last post, I was trying to complete Khitomer, my entire team had ZEN ships, I had a Mirror Patrol Escort bought off exchange. We completed it in an hour (!), and I was the only one not to die for the entire hour...
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Trust me, the new Classified BO type skills sound really powerful and versatile. More than making up for a console slot.
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Okay, now I see the point of T6. There was discussion a few months ago about how the game would eventually run out of ways to sell ships after they exhausted every possible combination of tac/eng/sci boff seatings.
Now, they're adding traits and hybrid seatings.
It's not quite that straight forward of a comparison though.
Say you've got a Tac Hybrid Seat.
X, X, X, X
So in giving up one of those slots for the Specialist ability (we don't know what rank any of them are, etc, etc, etc) - you're giving up one of your Tac abilities.
So it's a comparison of that Specialist BOFF ability vs. normal BOFF ability, +1 console, +10% hull, and +10% shields - and - potentially the Space Trait (Going to give up that SRO/Sub, eh?).
Which is where details on those Specialist BOFFs is kind of important...
^ Right there . . . a man who is suffering from Zynga-itis, which was my point and a stance that is becoming more and more common.
The Developers said "standard" T6 ships will have 10 console spots. So fleet versions and future lox box ones will have 11.
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Very nicely done sisteric that is very much appreciated. If they comment more and do that again please pm me with you updates.
If the devs are starving in the streets it's not because of the playerbase wanting free stuff... It's because their employers are giving them sh*t for pay and giving the rest for corporate exec bonuses.
Let's be honest here... There is very little of anything in this game that is truely free. There is usually a task to perform in order to get the "free" item that Cryptic dangles in front of you with a stick. Though the free C-store giveaway starting tomorrow would look like something totally free, look at it this way... Usually they have done these giveaways to appease the playerbase for whatever reason. The things they give away are usually things that are not often purchased by the playerbase at large. They're not losing anything over items that are not really selling.
We got slapped with the info for the ship Upgrades coming with DR, now we get some free items to take some of the sting out of it. Cryptic is now wanting us to come out and say "Thank you sir, may I have some more?"
From what I have read so far, yes, it would appear that T6 ships will have some perks that T-5U doesn't. Does that make the T-6 ships better? IMO, not necessarily... just different.
I, for one am taking a wait and see stance until more information is given out... especially more detailed information regarding the things that supposedly set T-6 apart from T-5U.
I am, hovever, disappointed that Mirror Ships were not added to the upgrade eligibility list. Be that as it may, I'd still like to know more before stating that I fully support the upgrade system or am against it... not that it matters. They are going to do what they want to whether we support their decisions or not.
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I'm not saying anyone should throw money at them out of sympathy, I'm saying you should not expect them to do their jobs without being paid. And it's pretty hard for them to get paid when no one is spending money, and your only guaranteed income stream is gold subscribers.
Your looking at this like their primary concern should be you having fun.
Meanwhile in real life, their primary concern is paying the bills, and there is only three ways to do that, since Gold sub fees are not enough keep enough workers keep content flowing to keep people happy.
You can have....
A. a game full the game with spam advertisements.
B. a return to the pay-to-play only format and require you to buy the updates like a certain other MMO we all know.
C. Micro transactions.
Lock box keys alone allowed cryptic to double their staff. And what, you think they work minimum wage? If Cryptic has a staff of say 100 people making 10 dollars an hour for an 8 hour work day, that's about $160,000 a month, before any other expenses. (I took accounting in high school). and I'm quite sure they are not making $10 an hour. another $3 an hour each adds about $48,000 to that monthly total. In one month, to cover everyone, it would require 4160 buying a 5000Z 3 ship pack all on cash, no stipend, no converted D.
Then there is rent, utilities, taxes, equipment costs, office supplies, advertisements, licensing fees if they are there. Those things don't come cheap and the San Jose area is not a cheap place to live.
As time goes by, certain revenue streams will dry up. People are not going to spend money on things anymore, so new streams need to be generated, or else everything you said about Zynga will happen anyway.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
Given that Zen is actually available for free, and we don't know if people will be able to trade the upgrade item like fleet modules, it's a bit premature and rather silly.
Maybe its time to switch to War commander or something else less heavy on the wallet
I do not want to get anyone into real trouble, so I can't be specific.
All I'll say is google is your friend, and versatility ina Com seat is very good.
1) We're actually talking right now about how T5U-11 ships like the Scimitar might be better than T6 ships.
2) You don't have to pay anything. The upgrade is optional, and possibly even unnecessary. All the new content is based around your current ship, and they haven't announced if the upgrades will be available on the exchange yet.
Know the difference
It could save your life...
Whoa there 'buddy'. Want the best without deserving it? Annoy people who know how to play?
Who are you to decise who deserves what? I've leveled more charcters than most, done more testing than most, but you decide I don't know how to play? You make alot of assumptions for someone so "superior" to other players.
Now, Im fly both level up ships and Zen ships. Yes, I paid CASH money for some of my ships. And even I can see this move as pay to win. Read the blogs. There is no way older (T5) ships will or can be on an equal footing with T6 ships. It clearly ates that even an upgraded T5 ship will not be as good as a T6. When yhou have to pay for something to compete on an equal footing it IS pay to win. Those who pay will win.
1. Cryptic has been encouraging deflation in the EC market for some time. Very awesome weapons and consoles that used to cost 10 of millions of EC now go for a million if you are lucky. The prices on EC market have dropped drastically and have not curved with the increasing zen pricing.
2. Give away ships upgrade to T5U for FREE!!! Risian Vette and Cruiser plus the Chel Grett are getting updated for free. For all of the complaints about T5U it is still a huge boost. Who needs to pay you ask? Those of us that bought c-store ships and upgraded fleet ships. We are being asked to pay again.
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