lol I'm not deciding anything, I'm just saying that when you look at STO's development, it's about 1 thing, money. Most people agree that theres little if any "Star Trek" left in Star Trek Online. Why? because it's all about the money. Why do we have lock boxes in the first place? Money, why is the odds of getting a ship from one almost none existent, money, everything on there is about money and about how to get us to spend all we have then spend some more. So from that it's not a hard leap to assume the T6 ships will have stats far above the T5 because that's what will sell.
Except...that...uh...
In your own post there, you mention Lock Boxes. Lock Box ships are T5-U11...not T6.
...so you disprove your own point as you're trying to make it.
Thanks for the blog. Lobi and lockbox ships being free to upgrade is all i needed to now.
Zen ships for Zen is a bit annoying but at least I'll finally have a reason to farm dilithium again. Already having everything i wanted, i didn't know what to farm for, lately.
Upgrade specifics sound reasonable. Don't really need the new T6 gimmicks anyway.
Bring on Delta Rising, now that I can finally look forward to it.
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Thanks for the blog. Lobi and lockbox ships being free to upgrade is all i needed to now.
Zen ships for Zen is a bit annoying but at least I'll finally have a reason to farm dilithium again. Already having everything i wanted, i didn't know what to farm for, lately.
Upgrade specifics sound reasonable. Don't really need the new T6 gimmicks anyway.
Bring on Delta Rising, now that I can finally look forward to it.
People like you exist? I taught I was the only one...
In your own post there, you mention Lock Boxes. Lock Box ships are T5-U11...not T6.
...so you disprove your own point as you're trying to make it.
ehh, if you or anyone else wants to believe that Cryptic has all of a sudden been struck by generosity and wants us to have T5 ships equal to T6 ships by all means, believe that. Guess when Delta Rising is released we'll see then.
Due to naming and shaming policy, I can not name names. But there are a few people in this thread who have quit STO a few times already in the past. Yet, they're still here despite saying they're leaving.
Usually, it's those same people who are among the first to say that Cryptic said something that didn't come true in the past. Therefore, they shouldn't believe them now.
Irony or Cognitive Dissonance? You be the judge!
i had to giggle at this.. because, well, it was funny
Thanks for the blog. Lobi and lockbox ships being free to upgrade is all i needed to now.
Zen ships for Zen is a bit annoying but at least I'll finally have a reason to farm dilithium again. Already having everything i wanted, i didn't know what to farm for, lately.
Upgrade specifics sound reasonable. Don't really need the new T6 gimmicks anyway.
Bring on Delta Rising, now that I can finally look forward to it.
Lies! C'mon...at least join in with the complaints that it would be nifty to know just what they mean by +1 BOFF ability - is it the same for every ship? Same rank? The simple stuff, not that they have to give us specifics...just the basic stuff. C'mon, join in that complaint - have some fun! :P
You stated several times now that T5U will have an extra console slot, 10% hull and shields compared to T6, what is the basis of that claim. No matter how I try to interpret either the T6 blog or the T5U blog, nothing in it suggests that T6 will have less consoles, hull or shields.
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
ehh, if you or anyone else wants to believe that Cryptic has all of a sudden been struck by generosity and wants us to have T5 ships equal to T6 ships by all means, believe that. Guess when Delta Rising is released we'll see then.
Avoiding what you did does not change that...does it?
You mentioned Lock Boxes as a major source of revenue..then claimed that the T6 ships would be the best ships. What would that do to Lock Box revenue?
It's not a case of saying that Cryptic/PWE aren't going to monetize everything they can - I don't see that as a problem, the game has operating costs and needs to generate a profit to pay off shareholders...future development, etc, etc, etc.
But if you claim something as a source of revenue and then write it off as a source of revenue...well...it doesn't do much for your claims, does it?
I have little doubt that there will likely be T6 Fleet ships down the road and the Lock Box/Lobi ships will get another bump...that the T5-U ships will fall by the wayside at that point; but until there are enough T6 ships in the game for them to do T6 Fleet ships...it's in Cryptic's best interest to be able to continue selling T5-U ships as part of their product offering.
Why the hell you people rush to conclusions? Maybe T5-U will have some other bonus to make the equal with T6, or maybe T6 skillz wont be so good. + They are supposed to make money, you are in essence playing the game for free, nobody said you need to spend money to be good. This is one rare game where F2P isn't PTW...
You stated several times now that T5U will have an extra console slot, 10% hull and shields compared to T6, what is the basis of that claim. No matter how I try to interpret either the T6 blog or the T5U blog, nothing in it suggests that T6 will have less consoles, hull or shields.
gorngonzolla has said it a couple of times...here is the last time he said it (he's been replying in this thread - can check the dev tracker to see what the devs are saying)...
Q: Will there be a noticeable difference between an upgraded regular T5 ship vs an upgraded T5 Fleet ship?
A: Yes. The difference between a T5 ship and a Fleet T5 ship will be the same as the difference between a T5-U ship and a Fleet T5-U ship. In short, the Fleet T5-U ship will have 10% more hull and shield HP and have +1 console slot over a standard T5-U ship.
It's why I've been referring to them as T5-U10s and T5-U11s...cause lol, unlike some - I just can't bring myself to keep typing out T5F-U/T5-FU/etc, lol...it's a trip...lol.
edit2: Doh, I linked the wrong one...let me grab the other quote - brb.
edit3: Here you go...like I said, there's been several replies. My bad for grabbing the wrong one above...there's also more to the replies than just what I quoted.
Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots.
lol I'm not deciding anything, I'm just saying that when you look at STO's development, it's about 1 thing, money. Most people agree that theres little if any "Star Trek" left in Star Trek Online. Why? because it's all about the money. Why do we have lock boxes in the first place? Money, why is the odds of getting a ship from one almost none existent, money, everything on there is about money and about how to get us to spend all we have then spend some more. So from that it's not a hard leap to assume the T6 ships will have stats far above the T5 because that's what will sell.
You can't have a business not be about the money.
And I do hear people say that there is little if any "Star Trek" left in STO. But those are just words. What is "Star Trek"? And how would you put "Star Trek" in STO. If you are going to complain than please have a solution for your complaint.
I just can't bring myself to keep typing out T5F-U/T5-FU/etc, lol...it's a trip...lol.
Another reason why I think they should just get rid of this T5-U nonsense and just make a linear pathway from T5 to T6.
The intricacies of this whole system is convoluted and almost as bad as a headache trying to type out as the headache I get from reading so much toxic vitriol on the forums regarding that very same system.
And I do hear people say that there is little if any "Star Trek" left in STO. But those are just words. What is "Star Trek"? And how would you put "Star Trek" in STO. If you are going to complain than please have a solution for your complaint.
Excellent first post. Welcome to the forums.
Also, don't tell those people that Gene Roddenberry was in it for the money. The 'message' was always secondary.
That IDIC symbol wasn't an expression of vulcan artwork to further flesh out the rich in-universe cultures of Star Trek, it was there because Gene wanted to make a few bucks off of selling IDIC pins to the growing number of Star Trek fans. Which irritated Leonard Nimoy since it was an obvious cash grab.
Also, don't tell those people that Gene Roddenberry was in it for the money. The 'message' was always secondary.
That IDIC symbol wasn't an expression of vulcan artwork to further flesh out the rich in-universe cultures of Star Trek, it was there because Gene wanted to make a few bucks off of selling IDIC pins to the growing number of Star Trek fans. Which irritated Leonard Nimoy since it was an obvious cash grab.
I think you should leave the forum for few hours until "Trek Puritans" stop replying and raging to this post. Damn, if all Iconians are like this, I would like a playable Iconian, with blackjack and hookers!
I think you should leave the forum for few hours until "Trek Puritans" stop replying and raging to this post.
That's never going to happen. The forums are rich in delusional Star Trek puritans who have an ignorant perception on what Gene Roddenberry really cared about in regards to Star Trek.
And it wasn't the IP. It was all about the Benjamins.
But when PWE/Cryptic does it, it's bad because reasons.
Everybody and their mother taking the dog too for a walk WILL go on a ride to the Delta Quadrant
i couldn't agree more, think i was being a little provocative with that post. :P
but riddle me this, if they introduced the expansion as purely optional, with access gained
through purchase of a T6 ship, would players buy into it do you think?
Another reason why I think they should just get rid of this T5-U nonsense and just make a linear pathway from T5 to T6.
The intricacies of this whole system is convoluted and almost as bad as a headache trying to type out as the headache I get from reading so much toxic vitriol on the forums regarding that very same system.
Lol, c'mon...it's a lot simpler than T5 is. There's T5-U10 and T5-U11...when compared to T5 where we have...
200k FC 9 console (Fleet)
Episode 9 console
Mirror Universe 9 console
120k Dil 9 console
2000 Zen 9 console
2500 Zen 9 console
2500 Zen 10 console
Fleet 10 console
Event 10 console
Lock Box 10 console
Lobi 10 console
Promo 10 console (almost forgot the JHAS and Bulwark)
Some would say we've got T5, T6, & T7 right there...
That's never going to happen. The forums are rich in delusional Star Trek puritans who have an ignorant perception on what Gene Roddenberry really cared about in regards to Star Trek.
And it wasn't the IP. It was all about the Benjamins.
But when PWE/Cryptic does it, it's bad because reasons.
But, Gene made Trek for a message , not for muny!!!11 Even if it meant that he and Majel starve to death!!!111 Get away from Trek, Star Wars ***
gorngonzolla has said it a couple of times...here is the last time he said it (he's been replying in this thread - can check the dev tracker to see what the devs are saying)...
It's why I've been referring to them as T5-U10s and T5-U11s...cause lol, unlike some - I just can't bring myself to keep typing out T5F-U/T5-FU/etc, lol...it's a trip...lol.
edit2: Doh, I linked the wrong one...let me grab the other quote - brb.
edit3: Here you go...like I said, there's been several replies. My bad for grabbing the wrong one above...there's also more to the replies than just what I quoted.
Ty VD,
Ugh my head is hurting, I wish they would just make a little table stating exactly which tier gets how many consoles and whatnot. If you look at the blog you would think T6 gets the extra stuff too but apparantly thats in comparison to non fleet T5.
For the love of god, please make a table where we can see what Tier gets how many consoles and HP modifiers Cryptic. That is something that should be made clear by you guys and not by people on the forums, helpfull though they may be.
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
That's never going to happen. The forums are rich in delusional Star Trek puritans who have an ignorant perception on what Gene Roddenberry really cared about in regards to Star Trek.
And it wasn't the IP. It was all about the Benjamins.
But when PWE/Cryptic does it, it's bad because reasons.
I've got no problem with a business being about the money, that is why they exist, my only problem is paying for a 1/2 upgrade, charge me for a full and I'll pay it.
The problem is, most players aren't happy with this solution too.
We prefere to fly our favourute ships and not to pay again for the same only to be a little more but no longer max level.
The only solution which would make everyone happy is to pay to upgrade T5 to T6.
And the only way to obtain it is to boicot both T6 ships and the T5U upgrade.
This is definitely possible, however difficult because PVPers are as always already eager to have their hands on more powerful ships
(you can bet your head they'll skip T5U and save resources to go full T6)
so I bet the only feasible option is to boicot T5U upgrades in protest in order to obtain T6 upgrades.
I don't understand this at all. You says that people prefer to fly their favorite ships? That isn't what this game is about. I would prefer to fly around in my voyager ship as a warship and take out Scimitars. But that ship isn't an escort. If I want to just sit there and shoot at people I have to have an escort type ship.
The real solution would be to make the ship more like your Toon and not a piece of armor. This way we can customize our ship to be what ever we want it to be. I can make my galaxy class ship as powerful as a scimitar or an assault cruiser. Instead of making ships a certain way and then having us try and figure out how to make it useful.
I've got no problem with a business being about the money, that is why they exist, my only problem is paying for a 1/2 upgrade, charge me for a full and I'll pay it.
See, and that's a fair criticism to make. If more people could just be very direct and honest with that kind of feedback, and less rhetoric, it makes communication a lot easier.
Ugh my head is hurting, I wish they would just make a little table stating exactly which tier gets how many consoles and whatnot. If you look at the blog you would think T6 gets the extra stuff too but apparantly thats in comparison to non fleet T5.
For the love of god, please make a table where we can see what Tier gets how many consoles and HP modifiers Cryptic. That is something that should be made clear by you guys and not by people on the forums, helpfull though they may be.
They definitely need to update the blogs to reflect the info that both Geko and Gorngonzolla have dropped out in the thread...need to keep pestering Smirk about that.
Think it would cut down on a lot of the aggro they're getting if they were to do that...and it's hard not to feel that Cryptic's trolling us by not doing it. Post something incomplete/vague...have folks rage...kick back in their chairs with the lulz at us. Yeah, sounds insane...but it's hard not to picture that insanity with the blogs not being updated and allowing the ranting to continue.
I mean, it would be one thing if they hadn't made the information available in the middle of the thread - but they know not everybody uses dev tracker or even knows that it's there...hard just not to picture them trolling. Lol, wonder what would happen if I reported Trendy to Smirk for trolling with this thread? :P
I've got no problem with a business being about the money, that is why they exist, my only problem is paying for a 1/2 upgrade, charge me for a full and I'll pay it.
But you are not paying for a half upgrade, your T5-U11 ship will have the same base capabilities as a full T6 minus one boff ability and one less customization option when it comes to starship traits.
They definitely need to update the blogs to reflect the info that both Geko and Gorngonzolla have dropped out in the thread...need to keep pestering Smirk about that.
I'm still waiting for a clarification in regards to the JHAS and Lockbox ships.
So, either T5-U ships have T6 capabilities. In which case, why make the distinction?
The JHAS will be T6 (for free), therefore all lockbox/lobi ships will be T6 (for free) since they're in the same list.
Or... they pulled a bait-and-switch maneuver in the JHAS promo in that the JHAS isn't really going to have T6 capabilities, as the dev blog states it will have T5-U capabilities instead.
That's never going to happen. The forums are rich in delusional Star Trek puritans who have an ignorant perception on what Gene Roddenberry really cared about in regards to Star Trek.
And it wasn't the IP. It was all about the Benjamins.
But when PWE/Cryptic does it, it's bad because reasons.
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Except...that...uh...
In your own post there, you mention Lock Boxes. Lock Box ships are T5-U11...not T6.
...so you disprove your own point as you're trying to make it.
Zen ships for Zen is a bit annoying but at least I'll finally have a reason to farm dilithium again. Already having everything i wanted, i didn't know what to farm for, lately.
Upgrade specifics sound reasonable. Don't really need the new T6 gimmicks anyway.
Bring on Delta Rising, now that I can finally look forward to it.
I believe that is called trolling in lay terms. But, far be it from me to accuse people of trolling.
If they want to be taken seriously, then obviously I should take everything they say at face value!
Like... quitting the game!
Yeah, it's a business, alright.
People like you exist? I taught I was the only one...
Know the difference
It could save your life...
ehh, if you or anyone else wants to believe that Cryptic has all of a sudden been struck by generosity and wants us to have T5 ships equal to T6 ships by all means, believe that. Guess when Delta Rising is released we'll see then.
He may have the skillz, but will said skillz pay the billz?
i had to giggle at this.. because, well, it was funny
Lies! C'mon...at least join in with the complaints that it would be nifty to know just what they mean by +1 BOFF ability - is it the same for every ship? Same rank? The simple stuff, not that they have to give us specifics...just the basic stuff. C'mon, join in that complaint - have some fun! :P
You stated several times now that T5U will have an extra console slot, 10% hull and shields compared to T6, what is the basis of that claim. No matter how I try to interpret either the T6 blog or the T5U blog, nothing in it suggests that T6 will have less consoles, hull or shields.
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Avoiding what you did does not change that...does it?
You mentioned Lock Boxes as a major source of revenue..then claimed that the T6 ships would be the best ships. What would that do to Lock Box revenue?
It's not a case of saying that Cryptic/PWE aren't going to monetize everything they can - I don't see that as a problem, the game has operating costs and needs to generate a profit to pay off shareholders...future development, etc, etc, etc.
But if you claim something as a source of revenue and then write it off as a source of revenue...well...it doesn't do much for your claims, does it?
I have little doubt that there will likely be T6 Fleet ships down the road and the Lock Box/Lobi ships will get another bump...that the T5-U ships will fall by the wayside at that point; but until there are enough T6 ships in the game for them to do T6 Fleet ships...it's in Cryptic's best interest to be able to continue selling T5-U ships as part of their product offering.
Cause, you know, they're in it to make money...
Know the difference
It could save your life...
gorngonzolla has said it a couple of times...here is the last time he said it (he's been replying in this thread - can check the dev tracker to see what the devs are saying)...
It's why I've been referring to them as T5-U10s and T5-U11s...cause lol, unlike some - I just can't bring myself to keep typing out T5F-U/T5-FU/etc, lol...it's a trip...lol.
edit: This is the link to the dev tracker: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/search.php?searchid=103822731
edit2: Doh, I linked the wrong one...let me grab the other quote - brb.
edit3: Here you go...like I said, there's been several replies. My bad for grabbing the wrong one above...there's also more to the replies than just what I quoted.
You can't have a business not be about the money.
And I do hear people say that there is little if any "Star Trek" left in STO. But those are just words. What is "Star Trek"? And how would you put "Star Trek" in STO. If you are going to complain than please have a solution for your complaint.
Another reason why I think they should just get rid of this T5-U nonsense and just make a linear pathway from T5 to T6.
The intricacies of this whole system is convoluted and almost as bad as a headache trying to type out as the headache I get from reading so much toxic vitriol on the forums regarding that very same system.
Excellent first post. Welcome to the forums.
Also, don't tell those people that Gene Roddenberry was in it for the money. The 'message' was always secondary.
That IDIC symbol wasn't an expression of vulcan artwork to further flesh out the rich in-universe cultures of Star Trek, it was there because Gene wanted to make a few bucks off of selling IDIC pins to the growing number of Star Trek fans. Which irritated Leonard Nimoy since it was an obvious cash grab.
I think you should leave the forum for few hours until "Trek Puritans" stop replying and raging to this post. Damn, if all Iconians are like this, I would like a playable Iconian, with blackjack and hookers!
Know the difference
It could save your life...
That's never going to happen. The forums are rich in delusional Star Trek puritans who have an ignorant perception on what Gene Roddenberry really cared about in regards to Star Trek.
And it wasn't the IP. It was all about the Benjamins.
But when PWE/Cryptic does it, it's bad because reasons.
i couldn't agree more, think i was being a little provocative with that post. :P
but riddle me this, if they introduced the expansion as purely optional, with access gained
through purchase of a T6 ship, would players buy into it do you think?
Lol, c'mon...it's a lot simpler than T5 is. There's T5-U10 and T5-U11...when compared to T5 where we have...
200k FC 9 console (Fleet)
Episode 9 console
Mirror Universe 9 console
120k Dil 9 console
2000 Zen 9 console
2500 Zen 9 console
2500 Zen 10 console
Fleet 10 console
Event 10 console
Lock Box 10 console
Lobi 10 console
Promo 10 console (almost forgot the JHAS and Bulwark)
Some would say we've got T5, T6, & T7 right there...
*twitches*
But, Gene made Trek for a message , not for muny!!!11 Even if it meant that he and Majel starve to death!!!111 Get away from Trek, Star Wars ***
*trolling n sarcasm mode off
Know the difference
It could save your life...
Ty VD,
Ugh my head is hurting, I wish they would just make a little table stating exactly which tier gets how many consoles and whatnot. If you look at the blog you would think T6 gets the extra stuff too but apparantly thats in comparison to non fleet T5.
For the love of god, please make a table where we can see what Tier gets how many consoles and HP modifiers Cryptic. That is something that should be made clear by you guys and not by people on the forums, helpfull though they may be.
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I've got no problem with a business being about the money, that is why they exist, my only problem is paying for a 1/2 upgrade, charge me for a full and I'll pay it.
Dec/2008
I don't understand this at all. You says that people prefer to fly their favorite ships? That isn't what this game is about. I would prefer to fly around in my voyager ship as a warship and take out Scimitars. But that ship isn't an escort. If I want to just sit there and shoot at people I have to have an escort type ship.
The real solution would be to make the ship more like your Toon and not a piece of armor. This way we can customize our ship to be what ever we want it to be. I can make my galaxy class ship as powerful as a scimitar or an assault cruiser. Instead of making ships a certain way and then having us try and figure out how to make it useful.
See, and that's a fair criticism to make. If more people could just be very direct and honest with that kind of feedback, and less rhetoric, it makes communication a lot easier.
They definitely need to update the blogs to reflect the info that both Geko and Gorngonzolla have dropped out in the thread...need to keep pestering Smirk about that.
Think it would cut down on a lot of the aggro they're getting if they were to do that...and it's hard not to feel that Cryptic's trolling us by not doing it. Post something incomplete/vague...have folks rage...kick back in their chairs with the lulz at us. Yeah, sounds insane...but it's hard not to picture that insanity with the blogs not being updated and allowing the ranting to continue.
I mean, it would be one thing if they hadn't made the information available in the middle of the thread - but they know not everybody uses dev tracker or even knows that it's there...hard just not to picture them trolling. Lol, wonder what would happen if I reported Trendy to Smirk for trolling with this thread? :P
But you are not paying for a half upgrade, your T5-U11 ship will have the same base capabilities as a full T6 minus one boff ability and one less customization option when it comes to starship traits.
I'm still waiting for a clarification in regards to the JHAS and Lockbox ships.
Either
or
The JHAS (and by proxy all other Lockbox ships in this list) are actually T5-U.
So, either T5-U ships have T6 capabilities. In which case, why make the distinction?
The JHAS will be T6 (for free), therefore all lockbox/lobi ships will be T6 (for free) since they're in the same list.
Or... they pulled a bait-and-switch maneuver in the JHAS promo in that the JHAS isn't really going to have T6 capabilities, as the dev blog states it will have T5-U capabilities instead.
So which is it? T5-U or T6?
Hopefully, this will be clarified.
Captain Sisko?
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.