That's great that you got them as gifts. I'd wager that most people do not have such luck. Lobi ships still cost 800 lobi, which requires opening 120 lockboxes, approximate value $200. I'm not defending lockboxes as a practice; I do not work for Cryptic. I'm just explaining why the decision was made - they are evidently getting very consistent sales out of the 'special' ships, via master keys. If it wasn't working they wouldn't be doing it.
Business wise, I see the point... But systematically, their upgrades are a let down for most people that are paying subscribers (including me), and want to continue enjoying the game throughout the years without really having to worry about a fiasco like this.
If the price you pay for lock box and lobi ships bother you that much, stop doing it. Not as if theres anything special your getting anyway, stats wise, they are no better or worse than fleet or cash shop ships. As far as lobi ships do we really want to go there? I could point out that when you gamble with lock boxes in the hope of winning that so called "special" ship, sure you spend a ton on it, I did in January at the slots of a casino, difference is, I walked away from the slot machine with only a small winnings, you walked away from your gamble with both a lock box ship and a lobi ship bought by all the lobi you got trying to win the other. Now a quadruple prize of 2 ships and 2 free upgrades for them.
I'm looking at what looks like a T6 Defiant. If that is in fact what that is, I fully intend to buy it. If I can use my existing Defiant skin on it, so much the better.
As for the Klingon and Romulan. I'm not a huge fan of raptors, but if they release a T6 B'rel I would probably buy it too, without hesitation.
We currently have a T3 starbase. Say I have an Avenger, and upgrade it to the U version. Then our starbase upgrades to T4. With the Avenger-U can I get a fleet Avenger-U, or will I get a fleet Avenger, and then need to unlock the upgrade again for the fleet version?
That wouldn't be fun at all.
We currently have a T3 starbase. Say I have an Avenger, and upgrade it to the U version. Then our starbase upgrades to T4. With the Avenger-U can I get a fleet Avenger-U, or will I get a fleet Avenger, and then need to unlock the upgrade again for the fleet version?
That wouldn't be fun at all.
It may not be fun but that's how it will work according to a dev earlier in this thread.
We currently have a T3 starbase. Say I have an Avenger, and upgrade it to the U version. Then our starbase upgrades to T4. With the Avenger-U can I get a fleet Avenger-U, or will I get a fleet Avenger, and then need to unlock the upgrade again for the fleet version?
That wouldn't be fun at all.
Cryptic has been vague. I believe if you update the Fleet version that you already own with the current system, you'll be getting the Fleet version of T5U account-wide. I believe.
I completely agree. Grinding is for "the soulless minions of orthodoxy"
I don't know, I played many MMO's over the years and I never had to pay real money for my gear. It's not a good comparison by those people who say it is typical for an MMO.
More cash to upgrade that ship you paid for already, for what?
Couple of days content followed by a few ques they expect you to just do day after day....
Not being able to upgrade box, and lobi ships to full T6, WHAT!!!!!
I predict the future of box ships will be T6, because if they are not, no one will gamble there money. This just takes the biscuit Criptic, just how many people do you think will keep playing after this update.
More cash to upgrade that ship you paid for already, for what?
Couple of days content followed by a few ques they expect you to just do day after day....
I'm still waiting for Cryptic to announce the addition of a toll booth outside Sol, New Romulus, and Qo'nos so we have to pay zen to enter or leave those systems. Oh and don't forget the meter attached to our ships like a taxi cab so we pay a fee for traveling. oh and don't forget the 500 zen beam down tax for using our transporters
After some thought, I still find this whole upgrade system to be relatively fair, and totally expected. A few thoughts, however:
1. It would be nice to see the extra BOFF power in the T5-U. Keep the special BOFF for the true T6, and the ability to unlock the ship trait. Since traits go with your captain, not your ship... AND we'll be able to unlock other ship traits without purchasing T6 ships (Geko's words)... all of this is fine. But, if you guys release true T6 versions of canon ships (especially anytime after launch of DR), people will LOSE THEIR MINDS over paying an upgrade, only to be faced with what they really wanted down the road. If you have ZERO intention of releasing true T6 versions of canon ships, adding the extra BOFF power would go a long way to alleviate some bad feelings.
2. It would be nice to offer a "bundle upgrade" price. If you bought an Oddy Bundle, then you should be eligible for a Bundle Upgrade. Only for bundled purchases, mind you... no dice if you don't own a ship bundle. Say, if the single ship upgrade price is 500 ZEN, then charge 1000 ZEN for Bundle upgrades. (This follows the model of the bundles in the first place... three ships for the price of two, three upgrades for the price of two.)
Cryptic has been vague. I believe if you update the Fleet version that you already own with the current system, you'll be getting the Fleet version of T5U account-wide. I believe.
Which begs the question, how is the upgrade being done? If it requires me to discharge a ship, and then reclaim the new one, I'm going to be (*%^&*()(*&^% upset with Cryptic, as discharging any ship which is not your last one you've added, will perma-TRIBBLE up ALL loadouts for all your ships purchased since!
More cash to upgrade that ship you paid for already, for what?
Couple of days content followed by a few ques they expect you to just do day after day....
Exactly. Grinding does not equal content & the amount of grinding in this game has gone far beyond excessive. If there wasn't so much grinding in game people would not be as upset as they are about having to upgrade what they have earned already, with even more grinding.
I'm still waiting for Cryptic to announce the addition of a toll booth outside Sol, New Romulus, and Qo'nos so we have to pay zen to enter or leave those systems. Oh and don't forget the meter attached to our ships like a taxi cab so we pay a fee for traveling. oh and don't forget the 500 zen beam down tax for using our transporters
24 hours since this bombshell and the thread is nearly already at 200 pages. If I were Cryptic, I'd be very concerned and aware of this issue their users have.
C'mon... it's the 3 Year Anniversary ship, something special; you cannot garbage it that way.
and it's a free T5 ship players received. Seems logical having it to upgrade to T5U to be used in the new expansion.
And it's also a limited-time ship, not all players have it by now and there is no way to obtain it now.
It should be upgradeable.
The entire Tier 6 idea is bad.
People want to fly their favourite ship,
it's already enough bad we cannot fly the NX01 or the Connie at endgame for realism' sakety,
you're right, CBS has final decision on that, it's already enough hard considering this is just a game and we are fans,
but having the whole line of most of the favourite ships, such a rich line-up, became obsolete,
to be replaced with ships that doesn't even look Trek (IMO, but I'm not the only one that doesn't like them)
is not only a bad service to the players, it could be a failure financially-wise.
You're reducing the line of endgame ships you're offering to players instead of increasing it with time. Bad move.
You're lucky you have those players who will fly any atrocity to always be the king of the hill to buy anything you release,
but as a company you should seek the wider base of customers possible.
Here's my take on the issue, I know it's useless to even share my opinion because plans are already been hatched,
but you should have released the T6 mechanics as an upgrade for T5 ships, for a price.
Having paid T5 ships, then Fleet ones and now this half "upgrade" only to be 2nd class ships is too much for paying customers, let alone f2p players.
I still dream from time to time about using the Gateway to doff off-game in spare minutes as we were told
24 hours since this bombshell and the thread is nearly already at 200 pages. If I were Cryptic, I'd be very concerned and aware of this issue their users have.
Users!? What Users??? Oh, you mean the cash cows we about to milk. They're just cows, you know. They mooo a bit when you squeeze them, but milk still come out. More or less.
Congrats, you've killed any chance of me buying zen in the future.
I'm a lifer that's bought hundreds of dollars of zen over the years. My criteria for doing so was when something was done to the game that I liked, I bought zen to support that.
This one massive cluster**** of an expansion has done away with any reason to invest further.
I play this game for the ships. The classics, the iconics and the ships I like. I have had long term plans to upgrade my ships with current gear and weapons in order to keep them competitive. This expansion means none of the ships I have invested in will be competitive ever again.
I will still be playing this game, but there's no point in buying zen anymore. There's no point in fleet ships, there's no point in lockbox ships, there's no point in c-store ships, and since the T6 ships look downright repulsive to me, there's no point in them either.
More traits? Why would I care about them? I have 30 or 40 of the things and I can't even use half of them.
Cya around, for as long as the server stays alive with its reduced cash flow.
Thanks for summing up my feelings regarding this cluster****. I came to STO to fly my favorite ship, the Excelsior. I have bought zen to help support the game, and grinded over two years to get my T5s the best they could be. These ships are not just gear to be discarded. They are part of my character's background, a part of their identity. My main has been flying the same T5 since they hit 50. Now I have to leave it behind or risk becoming less effective? Gear I can understand replacing, we are used to it, but the T5s themselves?
Thank you very much, PWE/Cryptic. You just saved me from wasting any more money on your games. Now I will have more when the next Steam sale rolls around
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Cryptic: If you think the bugs are bad, wait until you see our fixes!
I'm still waiting for Cryptic to announce the addition of a toll booth outside Sol, New Romulus, and Qo'nos so we have to pay zen to enter or leave those systems. Oh and don't forget the meter attached to our ships like a taxi cab so we pay a fee for traveling. oh and don't forget the 500 zen beam down tax for using our transporters
lol That reminded me of that scene in Blazing Saddles when they put up the toll booth to stall the bad guys
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Cryptic: If you think the bugs are bad, wait until you see our fixes!
I have bought many ships from the Z store under the impression that I would use them forever as a top tier ship. I am very disappointed to learn that they are now to be made inferior by these new ships.
Far as I'm concerned people should be grateful they're allowed to upgrade anything at all. No other ship tier is allowed to and they could have simply said "you want T6 power? Buy a T6 ship. Period."
I for one am thankful that I will be able to upgrade my existing beloved ship and continue to use it just as I have done since I got it, for the foreseeable future.
Thank you Cryptic. Ignore the ragers, they DO NOT represent the majority of us that love playing this game.
"Go play with your DPS in the corner, I don't care how big it is." ~ Me "There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
Gear I can understand replacing, we are used to it, but the T5s themselves?
50,000 fleet credits, 10,000 dili & a provision for one mk 12 fleet console is not something that I can get used too. Bad enough that they're doing this to our ships, but it is not reasonable to expect me to upgrade those ridiculously expensive fleet components by grinding all over again. I myself feel I have no choice but to hit the eject button after 4.5 years & move on to something else, not produced by cryptic/pwe.
Far as I'm concerned people should be grateful they're allowed to upgrade anything at all. No other ship tier is allowed to and they could have simply said "you want T6 power? Buy a T6 ship. Period."
I for one am thankful that I will be able to upgrade my existing beloved ship and continue to use it just as I have done since I got it, for the foreseeable future.
Thank you Cryptic. Ignore the ragers, they DO NOT represent the majority of us that love playing this game.
Since when is playing grinding? Grinding is not fun. Grinding is work. I'm not having fun. You ARE NOT the majority!
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Yeah, but someone bought keys to acquire the ships at some point. They don't just magically appear.
Business wise, I see the point... But systematically, their upgrades are a let down for most people that are paying subscribers (including me), and want to continue enjoying the game throughout the years without really having to worry about a fiasco like this.
But personally i got to stop this now, it is way out of hand, Cryptic you are a bunch of greedy sods and you will not kick me in the nuts anymore.
where u get dis from?
That wouldn't be fun at all.
It may not be fun but that's how it will work according to a dev earlier in this thread.
Cryptic has been vague. I believe if you update the Fleet version that you already own with the current system, you'll be getting the Fleet version of T5U account-wide. I believe.
I completely agree. Grinding is for "the soulless minions of orthodoxy"
I don't know, I played many MMO's over the years and I never had to pay real money for my gear. It's not a good comparison by those people who say it is typical for an MMO.
Couple of days content followed by a few ques they expect you to just do day after day....
I predict the future of box ships will be T6, because if they are not, no one will gamble there money. This just takes the biscuit Criptic, just how many people do you think will keep playing after this update.
I'm still waiting for Cryptic to announce the addition of a toll booth outside Sol, New Romulus, and Qo'nos so we have to pay zen to enter or leave those systems. Oh and don't forget the meter attached to our ships like a taxi cab so we pay a fee for traveling. oh and don't forget the 500 zen beam down tax for using our transporters
1. It would be nice to see the extra BOFF power in the T5-U. Keep the special BOFF for the true T6, and the ability to unlock the ship trait. Since traits go with your captain, not your ship... AND we'll be able to unlock other ship traits without purchasing T6 ships (Geko's words)... all of this is fine. But, if you guys release true T6 versions of canon ships (especially anytime after launch of DR), people will LOSE THEIR MINDS over paying an upgrade, only to be faced with what they really wanted down the road. If you have ZERO intention of releasing true T6 versions of canon ships, adding the extra BOFF power would go a long way to alleviate some bad feelings.
2. It would be nice to offer a "bundle upgrade" price. If you bought an Oddy Bundle, then you should be eligible for a Bundle Upgrade. Only for bundled purchases, mind you... no dice if you don't own a ship bundle. Say, if the single ship upgrade price is 500 ZEN, then charge 1000 ZEN for Bundle upgrades. (This follows the model of the bundles in the first place... three ships for the price of two, three upgrades for the price of two.)
Keep the info coming!!!
Which begs the question, how is the upgrade being done? If it requires me to discharge a ship, and then reclaim the new one, I'm going to be (*%^&*()(*&^% upset with Cryptic, as discharging any ship which is not your last one you've added, will perma-TRIBBLE up ALL loadouts for all your ships purchased since!
Exactly. Grinding does not equal content & the amount of grinding in this game has gone far beyond excessive. If there wasn't so much grinding in game people would not be as upset as they are about having to upgrade what they have earned already, with even more grinding.
hahahahaha dont talk to soon
C'mon... it's the 3 Year Anniversary ship, something special; you cannot garbage it that way.
and it's a free T5 ship players received. Seems logical having it to upgrade to T5U to be used in the new expansion.
And it's also a limited-time ship, not all players have it by now and there is no way to obtain it now.
It should be upgradeable.
The entire Tier 6 idea is bad.
People want to fly their favourite ship,
it's already enough bad we cannot fly the NX01 or the Connie at endgame for realism' sakety,
you're right, CBS has final decision on that, it's already enough hard considering this is just a game and we are fans,
but having the whole line of most of the favourite ships, such a rich line-up, became obsolete,
to be replaced with ships that doesn't even look Trek (IMO, but I'm not the only one that doesn't like them)
is not only a bad service to the players, it could be a failure financially-wise.
You're reducing the line of endgame ships you're offering to players instead of increasing it with time. Bad move.
You're lucky you have those players who will fly any atrocity to always be the king of the hill to buy anything you release,
but as a company you should seek the wider base of customers possible.
Here's my take on the issue, I know it's useless to even share my opinion because plans are already been hatched,
but you should have released the T6 mechanics as an upgrade for T5 ships, for a price.
Having paid T5 ships, then Fleet ones and now this half "upgrade" only to be 2nd class ships is too much for paying customers, let alone f2p players.
I forgot, paid parking and a zen sales tax on replicator use.
Users!? What Users??? Oh, you mean the cash cows we about to milk. They're just cows, you know. They mooo a bit when you squeeze them, but milk still come out. More or less.
Thanks for summing up my feelings regarding this cluster****. I came to STO to fly my favorite ship, the Excelsior. I have bought zen to help support the game, and grinded over two years to get my T5s the best they could be. These ships are not just gear to be discarded. They are part of my character's background, a part of their identity. My main has been flying the same T5 since they hit 50. Now I have to leave it behind or risk becoming less effective? Gear I can understand replacing, we are used to it, but the T5s themselves?
Thank you very much, PWE/Cryptic. You just saved me from wasting any more money on your games. Now I will have more when the next Steam sale rolls around
Cryptic: If you think the bugs are bad, wait until you see our fixes!
lol That reminded me of that scene in Blazing Saddles when they put up the toll booth to stall the bad guys
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I for one am thankful that I will be able to upgrade my existing beloved ship and continue to use it just as I have done since I got it, for the foreseeable future.
Thank you Cryptic. Ignore the ragers, they DO NOT represent the majority of us that love playing this game.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
50,000 fleet credits, 10,000 dili & a provision for one mk 12 fleet console is not something that I can get used too. Bad enough that they're doing this to our ships, but it is not reasonable to expect me to upgrade those ridiculously expensive fleet components by grinding all over again. I myself feel I have no choice but to hit the eject button after 4.5 years & move on to something else, not produced by cryptic/pwe.
Since when is playing grinding? Grinding is not fun. Grinding is work. I'm not having fun. You ARE NOT the majority!