Thanks, but I got the idea from how they do the other unlocks in the game, like the EC cap increase, and character slots.
I'd go further and say: 500-1000 zen for account upgrades on both ships AND mk XII gear (rep, lobi, and fleet). That is the closest to a compromise as I am gonna get with these guys.
Its competitive in that when you're doing PVE content you won't notice the difference, is what they've now said over and over and over again. If you're wanting to min/max for PVP, then you're going to have to constantly upgrade to whatever the new hotness is. Goes with the territory.
Btw, if T5-U and T6 were absolutely identical, why would anybody shell out for T6 ships? What would even be the point of having a T6 in the first place?
Same reason lots and lots of people bought the Dyson ships: The gimmick.
"You won't notice the difference in PVE" is a paper argument. I notice the difference between a T4 ship and a T5 ship in the fewer bridge officer abilities. In this case, Extra hull points don't paper over the difference. Beyond that, the story content is only part of the game.
So what you're saying is it doesn't matter if my T5U sucks because all I have to do is not play anything but story content? That sounds like a great solution.
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I wanted to pop in and answer some common questions that I am seeing. Some I have already answered, but it might be nice to have them all in one place.
Q: Will Fleet Ship Upgrades be account unlock? Or single unlock per character?
A: Fleet Ships Upgrades are account unlocks. However, you must still purchase the Fleet ship to be upgraded on another character. I answered this in an earlier post, but I admit it could have been a little more clear.
Example: You purchase a fleet ship for fleet modules and fleet credits on character A. You then decide to upgrade this ship to T5-U and must pay the upgrade cost. You log onto character B and you want to get the Fleet T5-U ship. Character B will need to spend the fleet modules and fleet credits associated with this ship, but the upgrade to Fleet T5-U will be free.
Q: Will there be a noticeable difference between an upgraded regular T5 ship vs an upgraded T5 Fleet ship?
A: Yes. The difference between a T5 ship and a Fleet T5 ship will be the same as the difference between a T5-U ship and a Fleet T5-U ship. In short, the Fleet T5-U ship will have 10% more hull and shield HP and have +1 console slot over a standard T5-U ship.
Q: Why don't T5-Us get level 5 in Starship Mastery?
A: I think there's a bit of confusion of what these levels actually mean. Levels 1-4 on both T5-Us and T6 ships are the same. They're passive buffs for your ship. They're the same strength as well. So, a +damage buff Starship Mastery ability on a T5-U Escort is the same as a T6 Escort. Level 5 is a starship trait unlock. There is no additional benefit. Since T5-Us don't have a starship trait unlock, they don't need level 5.
Q: Will this upgrade system affect Shuttlecraft in any way?
A: Shuttles will not be upgradeable. They will not be affected by this system at all since Shuttle content is effectively leveless.
Q: Will/can the Ambassador Class Ship included in this upgrade? Either the Aniv Version or the Fleet equivalent?
A: The Support Cruiser Retrofit (earned from completing Temporal Ambassador while the 2013 Anniversary Event was active) is not upgradeable, however the Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit is upgradeable to T5-U.
I know many of you still have many burning questions. Some of them we just can't talk about yet as we're still early in development, or we the information will be released in a future blog post. Anyhow, I hope these answers help clear up some confusion.
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you are missing the point. You have render all our fleet efforts and zen ships COMPLETELY USELESS> I won't mind the upgrade cost if it WAS AN ACTUAL UPGRADE. DUDE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY LEFT THE GAME. YOU JUST SCREWED YOURSELVES.
you are missing the point. You have render all our fleet efforts and zen ships COMPLETELY USELESS> I won't mind the upgrade cost if it WAS AN ACTUAL UPGRADE. DUDE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY LEFT THE GAME. YOU JUST SCREWED YOURSELVES.
Its competitive in that when you're doing PVE content you won't notice the difference, is what they've now said over and over and over again. If you're wanting to min/max for PVP, then you're going to have to constantly upgrade to whatever the new hotness is. Goes with the territory.
Btw, if T5-U and T6 were absolutely identical, why would anybody shell out for T6 ships? What would even be the point of having a T6 in the first place?
Exactly. Why do we even need T6s to begin with? They could have just said all your T5s can be upgraded to T5U for the new content and been done with it. They would have made plenty off all the upgrades people would do in order to keep flying the ships they have sunk resources, time, and heart into. And the T5 C-Store ships would still be safe to buy.
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This is why it would be fair, and reasonable to only charge a single 500-1,000 Zen charge per account. This will unlock ALL T5 ships to T5-U. It will also be what would unlock all Lobi, and Lockbox ships as well.
Using this method will help to make all ships upgraded at the same price, and will make it fair across the board. Also, it will make Cryptic, and PWE look a LOT less greedy. With the planned idea of charging per ship type, it just makes them look desperate, and greedy for money.
How is it fair and "make all ships upgraded at the same price" when someone would pay the same price to upgrade 3 ships as anther person would to upgrade 30?
So what you're saying is it doesn't matter if my T5U sucks because all I have to do is not play anything but story content? That sounds like a great solution.
No, I'm saying that its okay that your T5-U won't be the most powerful ship in the game. If you want to have the most powerful ship/loadout in the game, you will always be on a treadmill, constantly having to upgrade the ship and pieces of gear as new things come out. That's part of the hardcore playstyle. Its part of what makes it fun.
In this game, like any other game, people who devote more time and money to the game will always get more out of it than people who devote less time and money. That's life in the big city. You can't play casually and expect to compete with the hardcore.
Perhaps I have. But then again, perhaps you have missed it, I already addressed this "misconception" - while we the players, and yeah, perhaps the Devs, nicknamed these T5x ships "endgame" - because they were the highest ship(s) at the time of the comment, nowhere have I seen advertising or mention from the Devs that they will automatically, and freely, remain "endgame" ships for whatever the endgame of the day is.
That's because PWE deleted those threads when they purged the forums....
ok Ladies and gentlemen this thread now caught my attention and i have to weigh in on this (to Coin a phrase) :
i'll break this down into points for ease of reference (cryptic please read)
#1 charging zen for an upgrade is a stupid idea!
reasoning.... most zen store ships at tier 5 are expensive as is. to get a fleet varient will also cost you an additiona 500 zen for the fleet module to get it.. now adding more cost to upgrade in real money is pushing your luck.
solution.... make the upgrades cost Dilithium that way the ppl can either go the quick and easy way yet the f2p gamers can easily grind for it.. a dilithium cost of 30k - 50k for the upgrade on the said tier5 ship is reasonable and doesnt break the bank on your player base.
#2 increase the dilithium refinement cap
reasoning.... most content within the game irregardless of gold or f2p status cost dil and or zen and the prices are quite steep.
solution.. increase the cap to 20k per day that way ppl can grind for their personal requirements , yet be able to contribute to fleet projects and reputation projects yet still will be able to aquire their upgrade of their favourite tier 5 ship.
#3 should a player have a zen store tier 5 purchase AND has a tier 5 fleet version of the same ship.. grant a significant (or free) upgrade on that ship...
reasoning.... ITS COMMON SENSE! it rewards loyalty to those players who worked their butts off for them and paid for them
solution ... SEE ABOVE!
#4 Allow free upgrade tokens as you level from 50 - 60
reasoning... this gives incentive as ppl level up,,, TO ACTUALLY LEVEL UP... the opportunity while leveling to earn an upgrade on one of their ships is not an unreasobale game element
solution... look back on your prior leveling tiers and again please use common sense.
#5 listen to your consumers..
reasoning... when life time gamers are quitting and uninstalling and gold monthly players are leaving due to this announcement and mindset from cryptic, the community has seen over the last several months i would say is a massive cause for concern business wise.
solution..... read EVERYTHING ON THIS THREAD FOR A CHANGE (especially my post) ... take it all on board then call a staff meeting and come to a reasonable solution that benefits ALL!
anyhoooo those are my thoughts on this subject..
i hope mine and all of the communities thoughts dont fall on deaf ears this time!
I would like to take this opportunity, with all the whining going on at near epic levels, to THANK Cryptic/PWE/Whoever for allowing us to upgrade our current, beloved ships.
With every other ship tier, you have told us "if you want the new level of ability, buy the new level ship". You could have easily informed us as much this time and simply stated that T5/Fleet ships would not be upgraded at all, they simply are what they are.
I appreciate that through this upgrade opportunity, we will be able to extend the useful life of your current, loved ships.
I am preparing to upgrade 2 ships on each of my 3 characters while looking over whatever T6/T6 Fleet ships are released and deciding if I wish to buy them or not.
One request I would like to make though, make the upgrade price as low as possible. 250 or a max of 500 Zen would be best as we HAVE in fact paid for these already. 250 would be better. Call it an "Upgrade Module" and sell them in the C-Store next to the Fleet Ship Modules.
So, thank you again for your time and attention to the game that some of us, love to play.
"Go play with your DPS in the corner, I don't care how big it is." ~ Me "There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
No, I'm saying that its okay that your T5-U won't be the most powerful ship in the game. If you want to have the most powerful ship/loadout in the game, you will always be on a treadmill, constantly having to upgrade the ship and pieces of gear as new things come out. That's part of the hardcore playstyle. Its part of what makes it fun.
In this game, like any other game, people who devote more time and money to the game will always get more out of it than people who devote less time and money. That's life in the big city. You can't play casually and expect to compete with the hardcore.
Paper argument, again. My ship isn't the strongest in the game now, but it is at least on reasonably equal footing in terms of number of boff abilities and consoles with Scimitar vapers and the bug ships.
You aren't comparing a Nebula to a bugship when you compare T5U to T6. You're comparing a T4 ship to a T5 ship. One of those ships is suitable for endgame content. The other is not.
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Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
ok Ladies and gentlemen this thread now caught my attention and i have to weigh in on this (to Coin a phrase) :
i'll break this down into points for ease of reference (cryptic please read)
#1 charging zen for an upgrade is a stupid idea!
reasoning.... most zen store ships at tier 5 are expensive as is. to get a fleet varient will also cost you an additiona 500 zen for the fleet module to get it.. now adding more cost to upgrade in real money is pushing your luck.
solution.... make the upgrades cost Dilithium that way the ppl can either go the quick and easy way yet the f2p gamers can easily grind for it.. a dilithium cost of 30k - 50k for the upgrade on the said tier5 ship is reasonable and doesnt break the bank on your player base.
#2 increase the dilithium refinement cap
reasoning.... most content within the game irregardless of gold or f2p status cost dil and or zen and the prices are quite steep.
solution.. increase the cap to 20k per day that way ppl can grind for their personal requirements , yet be able to contribute to fleet projects and reputation projects yet still will be able to aquire their upgrade of their favourite tier 5 ship.
#3 should a player have a zen store tier 5 purchase AND has a tier 5 fleet version of the same ship.. grant a significant (or free) upgrade on that ship...
reasoning.... ITS COMMON SENSE! it rewards loyalty to those players who worked their butts off for them and paid for them
solution ... SEE ABOVE!
#4 Allow free upgrade tokens as you level from 50 - 60
reasoning... this gives incentive as ppl level up,,, TO ACTUALLY LEVEL UP... the opportunity while leveling to earn an upgrade on one of their ships is not an unreasobale game element
solution... look back on your prior leveling tiers and again please use common sense.
#5 listen to your consumers..
reasoning... when life time gamers are quitting and uninstalling and gold monthly players are leaving due to this announcement and mindset from cryptic, the community has seen over the last several months i would say is a massive cause for concern business wise.
solution..... read EVERYTHING ON THIS THREAD FOR A CHANGE (especially my post) ... take it all on board then call a staff meeting and come to a reasonable solution that benefits ALL!
anyhoooo those are my thoughts on this subject..
i hope mine and all of the communities thoughts dont fall on deaf ears this time!
Cryptic has already stated you will not need T5U or T6 ships to do the new content - it is in the FAQ.
If you are itching to try the T5U or T6 ships you can do so on Tribble at any time for free - once DR Open Beta starts, and forever thereafter.
So at no time are you required to spend any money for the new things in the game unless you wish to - and even then you can grind and get them for free. I do not see how Cryptic can make it too much simpler and still make rent money.
And how many of those T5 ships without the Upgrades are going to be able to do an Elite Queue without the direct support of a T5U/T6 ship?
People can point at T4 ships in the Elite Queues all they want. But they convienantly ignore the fact theres almost always T5 and T5.5 ships doing the heavy lifting.
Without the upgrade. Sure youll get through the content. But its not likely youll be as competitive as Cryptic leads you to believe.
I have a Bortas and a Scimitar lined up so far and will likely look at the T6 Fed ship to see if it catches my fancy. None of my Fed ships are currently on the 'must upgrade' list. Maybe when I get the Oddy pack I will do one of those as well.
I will either upgrade my ships to T5U or buy some of the T6 ships...depending on which ones get released
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You aren't comparing a Nebula to a bugship when you compare T5U to T6. You're comparing a T4 ship to a T5 ship. One of those ships is suitable for endgame content. The other is not.
Really, the only difference between a T4 and T5 ship is one BOff slot? That's not a paper argument, its just plainly false.
From what I've seen of the Tier 6 Federation ships they are as ugly as hell. I'd rather stick with my Tier 5 ships. As for the upgrade, why not have the two upgrade paths. For $2 have the Tier 5-U and for $10 make it a Tier 6 ships.
Why do all small companies believe selling fewer items at a higher price is better than selling more items at a lower price. Think of the profit you could make off players upgrading their Tier 5 ships to a full Tier 6 ship, much more than buying just one new Tier 6 ship. This just smells of a money grab. :mad:
So much this! Whats laughable in all this is Cryptic is actually THROWING MONEY AWAY! They are betting all their fortunes on the design of T6 ships, when it seems 90% of the community think they are ugly. Theres no reason to shaft the upgrade options. Fully upgrading a T5 to ALL T6 abilities is much more enticing to bregrudgingly spend more, than buying a T6 you hate the look of. You didnt HAVE to make T6 stand out. Not with such a limited library of ships. T6 s will sell if people like the LOOKS. T5s all have the best looks of the game. This could very well be the financial decision that sinks this game LOL
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reasoning.... most content within the game irregardless of gold or f2p status cost dil and or zen and the prices are quite steep.
solution.. increase the cap to 20k per day that way ppl can grind for their personal requirements , yet be able to contribute to fleet projects and reputation projects yet still will be able to aquire their upgrade of their favourite tier 5 ship.
Don't have a Problem with that, so i can buy all the dilithium i need for the next Fleetholding for 5 (and the Reputation Gear... and the Fleetgear).
At a Dil Exchange Rate of 500:1.
(/sarcasm)
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
I have a Bortas and a Scimitar lined up so far and will likely look at the T6 Fed ship to see if it catches my fancy. None of my Fed ships are currently on the 'must upgrade' list. Maybe when I get the Oddy pack I will do one of those as well.
I'm looking at what looks like a T6 Defiant. If that is in fact what that is, I fully intend to buy it. If I can use my existing Defiant skin on it, so much the better.
As for the Klingon and Romulan. I'm not a huge fan of raptors, but if they release a T6 B'rel I would probably buy it too, without hesitation.
"Go play with your DPS in the corner, I don't care how big it is." ~ Me "There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
So much this! Whats laughable in all this is Cryptic is actually THROWING MONEY AWAY! They are betting all their fortunes on the design of T6 ships, when it seems 90% of the community think they are ugly. Theres no reason to shaft the upgrade options. Fully upgrading a T5 to ALL T6 abilities is much more enticing to bregrudgingly spend more, than buying a T6 you hate the look of. You didnt HAVE to make T6 stand out. Not with such a limited library of ships. T6 s will sell if people like the LOOKS. T5s all have the best looks of the game. This could very well be the financial decision that sinks this game LOL
Given the current controversy over the ship upgrades, might I suggest STO consider simply selling console slots via Zen, Di, Fleet Credits, or whatever?
The upgrade for older ships was a fine idea, but didn't go far enough and was too obviously an effort to milk the players.
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind buying two or three engineering console slots, or maybe an extra forward weapon slot, or maybe three or four device slots for my favorite ship. Why restrict these things arbitrarily? Money on ship sales? Well, hey, why not make money selling console slots, and make money on volume?
I'd buy ten device slots in a heartbeat.
TBH I'd rather be flying a TOS Enterprise for nostalgia sake, and just buy slots for the thing so it can be as good as a dreadnought.
No, I don't want to hear about realism. It's a game, a fantasy, not a military simulation. If it was supposed to be realistic, ships would be able to do 360 degree rolls on the "y" axis. Instead they fly like WWII airplanes and stall out.
And please, no "power creep" whiners. The "power creep" bugaboo meme is bogus. I'd rather be in a pve game with other players who have powerful ships to get the grind over with as soon as possible. And as for PVP players who want things to be "fair", find players w/ships that are evenly matched to you.
The point of long-term games like STO is to invest in your character and ship over time and build up abilities etc., not run around being handicapped.
Tell me with a straight face that ships with fewer boff slots are as good as ships with more. Go on. I'm waiting.
You're changing the argument now. In your last post, you said you didn't mind if there were other, more powerful ships, as long as yours was 'in the same range'. Give or take a single BOff slot, with all else being equal, is to me well within the same range.
Now all of a suddent you want 'equal'. Either you're okay with your T5-U not being the best in the game, or you're not. You can't switch back and forth to try to win an internet argument.
I'm surprised no ones mentioned what a rip off ship upgrades are as far as prices. Take my ship for example, I have all three Odyssey variants so I could put all three consoles on one ship. That was a lot of money weather you buy the 3 pack or if you missed the chance, buying each ship separate like I did. And now I'm told if I want to upgrade I have to pay all over again? That's a rip off. Yes I know they said lock box ships are upgraded free but what about those of us who bought cash shop ships? How come we don't get a free upgrade?
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I'd go further and say: 500-1000 zen for account upgrades on both ships AND mk XII gear (rep, lobi, and fleet). That is the closest to a compromise as I am gonna get with these guys.
Same reason lots and lots of people bought the Dyson ships: The gimmick.
"You won't notice the difference in PVE" is a paper argument. I notice the difference between a T4 ship and a T5 ship in the fewer bridge officer abilities. In this case, Extra hull points don't paper over the difference. Beyond that, the story content is only part of the game.
So what you're saying is it doesn't matter if my T5U sucks because all I have to do is not play anything but story content? That sounds like a great solution.
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
you are missing the point. You have render all our fleet efforts and zen ships COMPLETELY USELESS> I won't mind the upgrade cost if it WAS AN ACTUAL UPGRADE. DUDE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY LEFT THE GAME. YOU JUST SCREWED YOURSELVES.
Yep, but I have no doubt that they don't care.
Exactly. Why do we even need T6s to begin with? They could have just said all your T5s can be upgraded to T5U for the new content and been done with it. They would have made plenty off all the upgrades people would do in order to keep flying the ships they have sunk resources, time, and heart into. And the T5 C-Store ships would still be safe to buy.
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they should they are using long time lifers with this.
I'm afraid not. They've been lacking on that front since Season 7 or so.
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How is it fair and "make all ships upgraded at the same price" when someone would pay the same price to upgrade 3 ships as anther person would to upgrade 30?
Yes they should, you will get no argument from me. But reality is, they care more about potential customers than the ones they already have.
No, I'm saying that its okay that your T5-U won't be the most powerful ship in the game. If you want to have the most powerful ship/loadout in the game, you will always be on a treadmill, constantly having to upgrade the ship and pieces of gear as new things come out. That's part of the hardcore playstyle. Its part of what makes it fun.
In this game, like any other game, people who devote more time and money to the game will always get more out of it than people who devote less time and money. That's life in the big city. You can't play casually and expect to compete with the hardcore.
That's because PWE deleted those threads when they purged the forums....
i'll break this down into points for ease of reference (cryptic please read)
#1 charging zen for an upgrade is a stupid idea!
reasoning.... most zen store ships at tier 5 are expensive as is. to get a fleet varient will also cost you an additiona 500 zen for the fleet module to get it.. now adding more cost to upgrade in real money is pushing your luck.
solution.... make the upgrades cost Dilithium that way the ppl can either go the quick and easy way yet the f2p gamers can easily grind for it.. a dilithium cost of 30k - 50k for the upgrade on the said tier5 ship is reasonable and doesnt break the bank on your player base.
#2 increase the dilithium refinement cap
reasoning.... most content within the game irregardless of gold or f2p status cost dil and or zen and the prices are quite steep.
solution.. increase the cap to 20k per day that way ppl can grind for their personal requirements , yet be able to contribute to fleet projects and reputation projects yet still will be able to aquire their upgrade of their favourite tier 5 ship.
#3 should a player have a zen store tier 5 purchase AND has a tier 5 fleet version of the same ship.. grant a significant (or free) upgrade on that ship...
reasoning.... ITS COMMON SENSE! it rewards loyalty to those players who worked their butts off for them and paid for them
solution ... SEE ABOVE!
#4 Allow free upgrade tokens as you level from 50 - 60
reasoning... this gives incentive as ppl level up,,, TO ACTUALLY LEVEL UP... the opportunity while leveling to earn an upgrade on one of their ships is not an unreasobale game element
solution... look back on your prior leveling tiers and again please use common sense.
#5 listen to your consumers..
reasoning... when life time gamers are quitting and uninstalling and gold monthly players are leaving due to this announcement and mindset from cryptic, the community has seen over the last several months i would say is a massive cause for concern business wise.
solution..... read EVERYTHING ON THIS THREAD FOR A CHANGE (especially my post) ... take it all on board then call a staff meeting and come to a reasonable solution that benefits ALL!
anyhoooo those are my thoughts on this subject..
i hope mine and all of the communities thoughts dont fall on deaf ears this time!
all the best
MINDWIPE
With every other ship tier, you have told us "if you want the new level of ability, buy the new level ship". You could have easily informed us as much this time and simply stated that T5/Fleet ships would not be upgraded at all, they simply are what they are.
I appreciate that through this upgrade opportunity, we will be able to extend the useful life of your current, loved ships.
I am preparing to upgrade 2 ships on each of my 3 characters while looking over whatever T6/T6 Fleet ships are released and deciding if I wish to buy them or not.
One request I would like to make though, make the upgrade price as low as possible. 250 or a max of 500 Zen would be best as we HAVE in fact paid for these already. 250 would be better. Call it an "Upgrade Module" and sell them in the C-Store next to the Fleet Ship Modules.
So, thank you again for your time and attention to the game that some of us, love to play.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
Paper argument, again. My ship isn't the strongest in the game now, but it is at least on reasonably equal footing in terms of number of boff abilities and consoles with Scimitar vapers and the bug ships.
You aren't comparing a Nebula to a bugship when you compare T5U to T6. You're comparing a T4 ship to a T5 ship. One of those ships is suitable for endgame content. The other is not.
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
Please cryptic/PWE,^READ THIS POST !
And how many of those T5 ships without the Upgrades are going to be able to do an Elite Queue without the direct support of a T5U/T6 ship?
People can point at T4 ships in the Elite Queues all they want. But they convienantly ignore the fact theres almost always T5 and T5.5 ships doing the heavy lifting.
Without the upgrade. Sure youll get through the content. But its not likely youll be as competitive as Cryptic leads you to believe.
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Really, the only difference between a T4 and T5 ship is one BOff slot? That's not a paper argument, its just plainly false.
So much this! Whats laughable in all this is Cryptic is actually THROWING MONEY AWAY! They are betting all their fortunes on the design of T6 ships, when it seems 90% of the community think they are ugly. Theres no reason to shaft the upgrade options. Fully upgrading a T5 to ALL T6 abilities is much more enticing to bregrudgingly spend more, than buying a T6 you hate the look of. You didnt HAVE to make T6 stand out. Not with such a limited library of ships. T6 s will sell if people like the LOOKS. T5s all have the best looks of the game. This could very well be the financial decision that sinks this game LOL
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Don't have a Problem with that, so i can buy all the dilithium i need for the next Fleetholding for 5 (and the Reputation Gear... and the Fleetgear).
At a Dil Exchange Rate of 500:1.
(/sarcasm)
I'm looking at what looks like a T6 Defiant. If that is in fact what that is, I fully intend to buy it. If I can use my existing Defiant skin on it, so much the better.
As for the Klingon and Romulan. I'm not a huge fan of raptors, but if they release a T6 B'rel I would probably buy it too, without hesitation.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Tell me with a straight face that ships with fewer boff slots are as good as ships with more. Go on. I'm waiting.
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
This among many things, but yes.
The upgrade for older ships was a fine idea, but didn't go far enough and was too obviously an effort to milk the players.
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind buying two or three engineering console slots, or maybe an extra forward weapon slot, or maybe three or four device slots for my favorite ship. Why restrict these things arbitrarily? Money on ship sales? Well, hey, why not make money selling console slots, and make money on volume?
I'd buy ten device slots in a heartbeat.
TBH I'd rather be flying a TOS Enterprise for nostalgia sake, and just buy slots for the thing so it can be as good as a dreadnought.
No, I don't want to hear about realism. It's a game, a fantasy, not a military simulation. If it was supposed to be realistic, ships would be able to do 360 degree rolls on the "y" axis. Instead they fly like WWII airplanes and stall out.
And please, no "power creep" whiners. The "power creep" bugaboo meme is bogus. I'd rather be in a pve game with other players who have powerful ships to get the grind over with as soon as possible. And as for PVP players who want things to be "fair", find players w/ships that are evenly matched to you.
The point of long-term games like STO is to invest in your character and ship over time and build up abilities etc., not run around being handicapped.
You're changing the argument now. In your last post, you said you didn't mind if there were other, more powerful ships, as long as yours was 'in the same range'. Give or take a single BOff slot, with all else being equal, is to me well within the same range.
Now all of a suddent you want 'equal'. Either you're okay with your T5-U not being the best in the game, or you're not. You can't switch back and forth to try to win an internet argument.