No, not at all. Anyone who believes we should pay to grind or pay to win is just wrong. New content does not mean new grinding. Nor should we pay to make the new content fun. Especially since we have already paid and ground for what we have.
why its that way in every other MMO. Maybe you should play online games any more. Of course no one is forcing you to buy anything.
Q: Will there be any story content that requires a T5-U or T6 starship?
A: Absolutely not.
Our goal here is to allow players to play through all of the games story content without requiring the purchase of a starship.
Owning one of these top notch ships will certainly give you an edge, but story content isnt designed to require these ships.
so what are the T6 ships actually good for?
unless your planning cryptic to revamp PVE ques to cater to you bank wallet masters of PWE..
first and only insult i will give cryptic is this.....
SWORDSMAN!
for the love of the almighty dont follow that path!
That's the gamble you take when you go into the whole lock box thing, That's like playing a slot machine over and over, hopping to hit the jackpot and just when your money runs out you hit it then say you want the jackpot plus a few free spins.
Lobi ships aren't a gamble, they cost 800 Lobi, which requires an average of 120 lockboxes opened. The Lockbox ships may be a gamble, but that gamble is paying for Expansion #2. Look at the exchange. They key market is just about the most active section. Old lockboxes continue to provide income so of course Cryptic will perpetuate their continued relevance by offering free upgrades.
Because at an average of 120 keys for a Lobi ship and 400ish for a Lockbox ship, the upgrade has been paid for through a number of seasons.
I received all my Lobi ships, Lockbox ships, and special promotion as gifts. Some took one lockbox to open, others took 200, fair enough. But you can't use this logic to dictate: "Hey, they obviously payed more money for those ships! Freebie for all of ships too." I've bought multiple fleet ships of the same type on multiple toons, in total I've spent at least $60 upgrading my ships to fleet versions. Real money has gone into getting the C-Store ships, as well as the the Fleet versions of them, which are on par with Lockbox, lobi and special promotion ships stat wise, anyway and they are getting ignored because PWE (Cryptic, whoever really) wants to promote their almighty Lockbox, another scam to say the least (all those ships could be available from the C-Store, even if $10 expensive or something, if they really wanted to get consistent sales out those "special" ships).
I received all my Lobi ships, Lockbox ships, and special promotion as gifts. Some took one lockbox to open, others took 200, fair enough. But you can't use this logic to dictate: "Hey, they obviously payed more money for those ships! Freebie for all of them." Real money has gone into getting the C-Store ships, as well as the the Fleet versions of them, which are on par with Lockbox, lobi and special promotion ships stat wise, anyway and they are getting ignored because PWE (Cryptic, whoever really) wants to promote their almighty Lockbox, another scam to say the least (all those ships could be available from the C-Store, even if $10 expensive or something, if they really wanted to get consistent sales out those "special" ships).
A LOT of people with lockbox ships paid 0 zen or real money for them. They simply used energy credits and the exchange.
I received all my Lobi ships, Lockbox ships, and special promotion as gifts. Some took one lockbox to open, others took 200, fair enough. But you can't use this logic to dictate: "Hey, they obviously payed more money for those ships! Freebie for all of them." Real money has gone into getting the C-Store ships, as well as the the Fleet versions of them, which are on par with Lockbox, lobi and special promotion ships stat wise, anyway and they are getting ignored because PWE (Cryptic, whoever really) wants to promote their almighty Lockbox, another scam to say the least (all those ships could be available from the C-Store, even if $10 expensive or something, if they really wanted to get consistent sales out those "special" ships).
That's great that you got them as gifts. I'd wager that most people do not have such luck. Lobi ships still cost 800 lobi, which requires opening 120 lockboxes, approximate value $200. I'm not defending lockboxes as a practice; I do not work for Cryptic. I'm just explaining why the decision was made - they are evidently getting very consistent sales out of the 'special' ships, via master keys. If it wasn't working they wouldn't be doing it.
That's great that you got them as gifts. I'd wager that most people do not have such luck. Lobi ships still cost 800 lobi, which requires opening 120 lockboxes, approximate value $200. I'm not defending lockboxes as a practice; I do not work for Cryptic. I'm just explaining why the decision was made - they are evidently getting very consistent sales out of the 'special' ships, via master keys. If it wasn't working they wouldn't be doing it.
Business wise, I see the point... But systematically, their upgrades are a let down for most people that are paying subscribers (including me), and want to continue enjoying the game throughout the years without really having to worry about a fiasco like this.
If the price you pay for lock box and lobi ships bother you that much, stop doing it. Not as if theres anything special your getting anyway, stats wise, they are no better or worse than fleet or cash shop ships. As far as lobi ships do we really want to go there? I could point out that when you gamble with lock boxes in the hope of winning that so called "special" ship, sure you spend a ton on it, I did in January at the slots of a casino, difference is, I walked away from the slot machine with only a small winnings, you walked away from your gamble with both a lock box ship and a lobi ship bought by all the lobi you got trying to win the other. Now a quadruple prize of 2 ships and 2 free upgrades for them.
I'm looking at what looks like a T6 Defiant. If that is in fact what that is, I fully intend to buy it. If I can use my existing Defiant skin on it, so much the better.
As for the Klingon and Romulan. I'm not a huge fan of raptors, but if they release a T6 B'rel I would probably buy it too, without hesitation.
We currently have a T3 starbase. Say I have an Avenger, and upgrade it to the U version. Then our starbase upgrades to T4. With the Avenger-U can I get a fleet Avenger-U, or will I get a fleet Avenger, and then need to unlock the upgrade again for the fleet version?
That wouldn't be fun at all.
We currently have a T3 starbase. Say I have an Avenger, and upgrade it to the U version. Then our starbase upgrades to T4. With the Avenger-U can I get a fleet Avenger-U, or will I get a fleet Avenger, and then need to unlock the upgrade again for the fleet version?
That wouldn't be fun at all.
It may not be fun but that's how it will work according to a dev earlier in this thread.
We currently have a T3 starbase. Say I have an Avenger, and upgrade it to the U version. Then our starbase upgrades to T4. With the Avenger-U can I get a fleet Avenger-U, or will I get a fleet Avenger, and then need to unlock the upgrade again for the fleet version?
That wouldn't be fun at all.
Cryptic has been vague. I believe if you update the Fleet version that you already own with the current system, you'll be getting the Fleet version of T5U account-wide. I believe.
I completely agree. Grinding is for "the soulless minions of orthodoxy"
I don't know, I played many MMO's over the years and I never had to pay real money for my gear. It's not a good comparison by those people who say it is typical for an MMO.
More cash to upgrade that ship you paid for already, for what?
Couple of days content followed by a few ques they expect you to just do day after day....
Not being able to upgrade box, and lobi ships to full T6, WHAT!!!!!
I predict the future of box ships will be T6, because if they are not, no one will gamble there money. This just takes the biscuit Criptic, just how many people do you think will keep playing after this update.
More cash to upgrade that ship you paid for already, for what?
Couple of days content followed by a few ques they expect you to just do day after day....
I'm still waiting for Cryptic to announce the addition of a toll booth outside Sol, New Romulus, and Qo'nos so we have to pay zen to enter or leave those systems. Oh and don't forget the meter attached to our ships like a taxi cab so we pay a fee for traveling. oh and don't forget the 500 zen beam down tax for using our transporters
After some thought, I still find this whole upgrade system to be relatively fair, and totally expected. A few thoughts, however:
1. It would be nice to see the extra BOFF power in the T5-U. Keep the special BOFF for the true T6, and the ability to unlock the ship trait. Since traits go with your captain, not your ship... AND we'll be able to unlock other ship traits without purchasing T6 ships (Geko's words)... all of this is fine. But, if you guys release true T6 versions of canon ships (especially anytime after launch of DR), people will LOSE THEIR MINDS over paying an upgrade, only to be faced with what they really wanted down the road. If you have ZERO intention of releasing true T6 versions of canon ships, adding the extra BOFF power would go a long way to alleviate some bad feelings.
2. It would be nice to offer a "bundle upgrade" price. If you bought an Oddy Bundle, then you should be eligible for a Bundle Upgrade. Only for bundled purchases, mind you... no dice if you don't own a ship bundle. Say, if the single ship upgrade price is 500 ZEN, then charge 1000 ZEN for Bundle upgrades. (This follows the model of the bundles in the first place... three ships for the price of two, three upgrades for the price of two.)
Cryptic has been vague. I believe if you update the Fleet version that you already own with the current system, you'll be getting the Fleet version of T5U account-wide. I believe.
Which begs the question, how is the upgrade being done? If it requires me to discharge a ship, and then reclaim the new one, I'm going to be (*%^&*()(*&^% upset with Cryptic, as discharging any ship which is not your last one you've added, will perma-TRIBBLE up ALL loadouts for all your ships purchased since!
More cash to upgrade that ship you paid for already, for what?
Couple of days content followed by a few ques they expect you to just do day after day....
Exactly. Grinding does not equal content & the amount of grinding in this game has gone far beyond excessive. If there wasn't so much grinding in game people would not be as upset as they are about having to upgrade what they have earned already, with even more grinding.
I'm still waiting for Cryptic to announce the addition of a toll booth outside Sol, New Romulus, and Qo'nos so we have to pay zen to enter or leave those systems. Oh and don't forget the meter attached to our ships like a taxi cab so we pay a fee for traveling. oh and don't forget the 500 zen beam down tax for using our transporters
24 hours since this bombshell and the thread is nearly already at 200 pages. If I were Cryptic, I'd be very concerned and aware of this issue their users have.
C'mon... it's the 3 Year Anniversary ship, something special; you cannot garbage it that way.
and it's a free T5 ship players received. Seems logical having it to upgrade to T5U to be used in the new expansion.
And it's also a limited-time ship, not all players have it by now and there is no way to obtain it now.
It should be upgradeable.
The entire Tier 6 idea is bad.
People want to fly their favourite ship,
it's already enough bad we cannot fly the NX01 or the Connie at endgame for realism' sakety,
you're right, CBS has final decision on that, it's already enough hard considering this is just a game and we are fans,
but having the whole line of most of the favourite ships, such a rich line-up, became obsolete,
to be replaced with ships that doesn't even look Trek (IMO, but I'm not the only one that doesn't like them)
is not only a bad service to the players, it could be a failure financially-wise.
You're reducing the line of endgame ships you're offering to players instead of increasing it with time. Bad move.
You're lucky you have those players who will fly any atrocity to always be the king of the hill to buy anything you release,
but as a company you should seek the wider base of customers possible.
Here's my take on the issue, I know it's useless to even share my opinion because plans are already been hatched,
but you should have released the T6 mechanics as an upgrade for T5 ships, for a price.
Having paid T5 ships, then Fleet ones and now this half "upgrade" only to be 2nd class ships is too much for paying customers, let alone f2p players.
I still dream from time to time about using the Gateway to doff off-game in spare minutes as we were told
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why its that way in every other MMO. Maybe you should play online games any more. Of course no one is forcing you to buy anything.
so what are the T6 ships actually good for?
unless your planning cryptic to revamp PVE ques to cater to you bank wallet masters of PWE..
first and only insult i will give cryptic is this.....
SWORDSMAN!
for the love of the almighty dont follow that path!
Lobi ships aren't a gamble, they cost 800 Lobi, which requires an average of 120 lockboxes opened. The Lockbox ships may be a gamble, but that gamble is paying for Expansion #2. Look at the exchange. They key market is just about the most active section. Old lockboxes continue to provide income so of course Cryptic will perpetuate their continued relevance by offering free upgrades.
I received all my Lobi ships, Lockbox ships, and special promotion as gifts. Some took one lockbox to open, others took 200, fair enough. But you can't use this logic to dictate: "Hey, they obviously payed more money for those ships! Freebie for all of ships too." I've bought multiple fleet ships of the same type on multiple toons, in total I've spent at least $60 upgrading my ships to fleet versions. Real money has gone into getting the C-Store ships, as well as the the Fleet versions of them, which are on par with Lockbox, lobi and special promotion ships stat wise, anyway and they are getting ignored because PWE (Cryptic, whoever really) wants to promote their almighty Lockbox, another scam to say the least (all those ships could be available from the C-Store, even if $10 expensive or something, if they really wanted to get consistent sales out those "special" ships).
A LOT of people with lockbox ships paid 0 zen or real money for them. They simply used energy credits and the exchange.
That's great that you got them as gifts. I'd wager that most people do not have such luck. Lobi ships still cost 800 lobi, which requires opening 120 lockboxes, approximate value $200. I'm not defending lockboxes as a practice; I do not work for Cryptic. I'm just explaining why the decision was made - they are evidently getting very consistent sales out of the 'special' ships, via master keys. If it wasn't working they wouldn't be doing it.
I don't care if other MMOs do it. Its a terrible concept.
Yeah, but someone bought keys to acquire the ships at some point. They don't just magically appear.
Business wise, I see the point... But systematically, their upgrades are a let down for most people that are paying subscribers (including me), and want to continue enjoying the game throughout the years without really having to worry about a fiasco like this.
But personally i got to stop this now, it is way out of hand, Cryptic you are a bunch of greedy sods and you will not kick me in the nuts anymore.
where u get dis from?
That wouldn't be fun at all.
It may not be fun but that's how it will work according to a dev earlier in this thread.
Cryptic has been vague. I believe if you update the Fleet version that you already own with the current system, you'll be getting the Fleet version of T5U account-wide. I believe.
I completely agree. Grinding is for "the soulless minions of orthodoxy"
I don't know, I played many MMO's over the years and I never had to pay real money for my gear. It's not a good comparison by those people who say it is typical for an MMO.
Couple of days content followed by a few ques they expect you to just do day after day....
I predict the future of box ships will be T6, because if they are not, no one will gamble there money. This just takes the biscuit Criptic, just how many people do you think will keep playing after this update.
I'm still waiting for Cryptic to announce the addition of a toll booth outside Sol, New Romulus, and Qo'nos so we have to pay zen to enter or leave those systems. Oh and don't forget the meter attached to our ships like a taxi cab so we pay a fee for traveling. oh and don't forget the 500 zen beam down tax for using our transporters
1. It would be nice to see the extra BOFF power in the T5-U. Keep the special BOFF for the true T6, and the ability to unlock the ship trait. Since traits go with your captain, not your ship... AND we'll be able to unlock other ship traits without purchasing T6 ships (Geko's words)... all of this is fine. But, if you guys release true T6 versions of canon ships (especially anytime after launch of DR), people will LOSE THEIR MINDS over paying an upgrade, only to be faced with what they really wanted down the road. If you have ZERO intention of releasing true T6 versions of canon ships, adding the extra BOFF power would go a long way to alleviate some bad feelings.
2. It would be nice to offer a "bundle upgrade" price. If you bought an Oddy Bundle, then you should be eligible for a Bundle Upgrade. Only for bundled purchases, mind you... no dice if you don't own a ship bundle. Say, if the single ship upgrade price is 500 ZEN, then charge 1000 ZEN for Bundle upgrades. (This follows the model of the bundles in the first place... three ships for the price of two, three upgrades for the price of two.)
Keep the info coming!!!
Which begs the question, how is the upgrade being done? If it requires me to discharge a ship, and then reclaim the new one, I'm going to be (*%^&*()(*&^% upset with Cryptic, as discharging any ship which is not your last one you've added, will perma-TRIBBLE up ALL loadouts for all your ships purchased since!
Exactly. Grinding does not equal content & the amount of grinding in this game has gone far beyond excessive. If there wasn't so much grinding in game people would not be as upset as they are about having to upgrade what they have earned already, with even more grinding.
hahahahaha dont talk to soon
C'mon... it's the 3 Year Anniversary ship, something special; you cannot garbage it that way.
and it's a free T5 ship players received. Seems logical having it to upgrade to T5U to be used in the new expansion.
And it's also a limited-time ship, not all players have it by now and there is no way to obtain it now.
It should be upgradeable.
The entire Tier 6 idea is bad.
People want to fly their favourite ship,
it's already enough bad we cannot fly the NX01 or the Connie at endgame for realism' sakety,
you're right, CBS has final decision on that, it's already enough hard considering this is just a game and we are fans,
but having the whole line of most of the favourite ships, such a rich line-up, became obsolete,
to be replaced with ships that doesn't even look Trek (IMO, but I'm not the only one that doesn't like them)
is not only a bad service to the players, it could be a failure financially-wise.
You're reducing the line of endgame ships you're offering to players instead of increasing it with time. Bad move.
You're lucky you have those players who will fly any atrocity to always be the king of the hill to buy anything you release,
but as a company you should seek the wider base of customers possible.
Here's my take on the issue, I know it's useless to even share my opinion because plans are already been hatched,
but you should have released the T6 mechanics as an upgrade for T5 ships, for a price.
Having paid T5 ships, then Fleet ones and now this half "upgrade" only to be 2nd class ships is too much for paying customers, let alone f2p players.
I forgot, paid parking and a zen sales tax on replicator use.