This game is hardly a game, it's a grindfest. Had they actually put out real content, not "repetitive content", people would not be as upset as they are. But they made us work for what we have by continuous grinding & now all that appears to have been for nothing. Work is what I do for a living, gaming is what I do for fun. Grinding is not fun, it's WORK. What's the point in continuing to log in if all we get is shafted over & over again? No wonder they've had a 30% drop off in PC gamers logging in. I predict that number is just going to go higher.
bet there r many others out there in same boat as u
i havent bought a single thing from these sharks but i can understand the pain it is causing u all
which has brought me to dis
i will buy nothin from dem nadda zip zilch i can see they givin u all da shaft
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i think they havnt thought dis thru very well sounds very rushed
Don't worry, most of them are for free farmed and not bought with real life money. i'm not stupid. hahaha
I bet there are some free 2 play gamers here who got more endgear and ships and all of the best stuff, etc. than any other pay 2 win gamer. it's all about knowledge.
what bothers me most now, i can't buy anymore 2 new shipslots from the c-store, i hit the shipslot cap. lol
For people like myself and many of my fleet mates that have a most of the C-Store ships are expected to shell out a lot money just to stay within spitting distance. That adds up to a lot of money.
Whatever you say fan boy. Come back when the shaft gets too much for you.
Never said I was a fan just have common sence to understand the big picture. Perhaps insted of dogging me over my thoughts you should go and work on your common sence. And to let you know I wont be comming back becouse I wont be leaving over this
Never said I was a fan just have common sence to understand the big picture. Perhaps insted of dogging me over my thoughts you should go and work on your common sence. And to let you know I wont be comming back becouse I wont be leaving over this
I am okay with the upgrading path they have created. It seems more than reasonable. I, personally, never expected that my ships were going to remain endgame ships if they ever raised the level cap. Now they have raised it and added the new Tier 6 ships. And so progression is maintained. Like in every other MMO i play.
What really boggles my mind is the fact that people expected that they get free progression from a game. Progression is always earned through some combination of in-game resources, time and real world money. All MMO's do this no matter the model. Each game just balances the costs in different ways.
I see that everyone thinks that thier Tier 5 ships are obsolte. But as I read the blogs and play the game, I realize that my Tier 4 ships are just as capable of doing an elite STF as my Tier 5. I just get things done faster in the Tier 5. Same goes for PVP, I started PVP in a tier 3 ship and was holding my own aganst Tier 5's. Now I use Tier 5's and I don't die as often, but I get just as many kills. I am not the best pvper out there, but I know that I am not the worst. Obsolences in this game is only in the players mind, not in the capability of the game. A dedicated player can get good enough to make even a Tier 1 ship do well in PVP and PVE content. Just many people don't try because that is a very hard road to travel. But I am trying to travel that path just for the sheer fun of it.
People just need to calm down and quit griping over the small stuff and look at bigger, more important issues, like the graphics not always showing, or time it takes to master one R&D school. There are more, but you get the picture.
wow.....Pretty annoyed, There are certain ships I have paid for, made sure I worked for, and have based entire toons around using. Made sure I got the fleet versions and now even if I pay extra for them they will still be inferior to the tier 6 ships when released. The vesta class ships should be a t6 ship. Honestly I'd pay for a T6 ship just to upgrade a ship I wanted, in some cases ships that were the biggest reason I got into the game from launch. The extra bridge officer slot would be a huge boost. I'd almost like to be able to pay separately for add on's to the ships, and would do it in zen. I'm honestly disappointed in this upgrade, but I am willing to wait to see if there are changes or clarification to this.
No, not at all. Anyone who believes we should pay to grind or pay to win is just wrong. New content does not mean new grinding. Nor should we pay to make the new content fun. Especially since we have already paid and ground for what we have.
Better ships costing more isn't a new thing. My Scimitar is flat out better (specs wise) than my Vadore retrofit. But I still fly the Valdore in all but the hardest content, because Donatra flew one. The Valdore got "devalued" by the Scimitar's release but I didn't care because I bought the Scimitar and had more game play options.
And for the record, I doubt any 13th BOFF power will top a Scimitar-U with an 11th console slot and the "shields up while cloaked" console that I rely on WAY too much.
Whatever the case may be, I'm not paying for what I already have paid for.
Please show me where, in these blogs/fora/podcasts, did anyone say you need to pay again to keep using your T5.5 ship at T5.5 level?
Please show me where, in these same places, anyone said that your ship will lose currently available functions?
At that point, I will, in all honesty, join you in the "we're being ripped off" brigade.
Otherwise, and what I believe is the stated intent, you will still have exactly what you paid for. A Tier 5.5 "fleet level" Galaxy-X. Nowhere in that description, or the little flavor blurb, does it say that a T5.5 ship will remain "at the endgame highest level of power". It just says that it will be better than a T5 +1 Galaxy-X, as per the "standard" fleet upgrades above the T5 and T5 +1 level.
We may have "read into that" about T5s are "endgame" - being that T5s in all their infinite variety has been the "default endgame" because of their status as the top of the curve, but even then, can you honestly tell me that the T5.5 Gal-X is no better in endgame than the T5 +1, or a T5 Sovvy? If so, why did you even pay that $10 to get 2 characters the fleet grade?
You want T5U? Pay the extra. We're all gonna have to, whether we like it or not. My determinant as to whether I'll pay, and how many times I'll pay, depends partially on the whole "competitiveness" thing about 11th console vs 13 BOff seat, the universal situation (and trust me, I'm lining up for "specialists aren't universal"), and what those ship traits are. I'm planning on grabbing a T6 Sci (if the trait is right), "mastering" her for the trait, then jumping back into ye olde Vesta or maybe even my Orb Weaver depending on whether there's gonna be Mk XIV Aux DHCs for the Vesta... That, and the Weaver's got free upgrade rights...
You want to bring your 5.5 Gal-X against my 5.5 Rademaker (if the Vesta upgrade doesn't automatically make her a 5U) after DR launches to see if you're Gal-X has lost a step? I'll be game. I might bring a 3-pack DSD instead, unless there's a cheap package upgrade to go with the $100 package I bought of DSDs... And it depends on the final price and what my stipend hooks me up with before then... (gold on the 3 month $30 plan...)
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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I do not mind paying for an upgrade, those of us who paid monthly subs on mmo games through the years know it takes cash to keep the game afloat. They could keep all the free upgrades imo as long as they have a system whereby we can bring our ships up to current standards. I play these games precisely because I enjoy building up an avatar of whatever type. I don't enjoy having that avatar mandatorily relegated to second best. They can call it "competetive" all they want, use a letter instead of a decimal place even. 5-U < 6 puts 5-U in the junkyard for any power gamer. Part of what makes this game so awesome is tweaking things to max potential.
Pushing for them to upgrade free is ..not helpful. They need to make a buck like everyone else. A purchaseable+grindable+questable full t6 retrofit to keep our investment out of the scrapyard doesn't seem outrageous, I would think of it like buying an expansion pack
wow.....Pretty annoyed, There are certain ships I have paid for, made sure I worked for, and have based entire toons around using. Made sure I got the fleet versions and now even if I pay extra for them they will still be inferior to the tier 6 ships when released. The vesta class ships should be a t6 ship. Honestly I'd pay for a T6 ship just to upgrade a ship I wanted, in some cases ships that were the biggest reason I got into the game from launch. The extra bridge officer slot would be a huge boost. I'd almost like to be able to pay separately for add on's to the ships, and would do it in zen. I'm honestly disappointed in this upgrade, but I am willing to wait to see if there are changes or clarification to this.
There is clarification earlier on, the only functional difference between them is T5-U will have an extra console slot and T6 will have a 13th boff ability. Only some T6 can use the new boff type and the Mastery trait is just a trait and may not even be used at all, both ship classes can only use 4 ship traits at a time and more than 4 traits can be acquired. Think of it as the rep traits but for ships.
Guys, lets try and keep this nice and civil. No one is going to take our points seriously, be they in favour of or against this system, if we resort to insults and namecalling. I believe we do have a right to be cross that our purchases have been devalued, but thats no reason to turn on each other.
Personally I do feel that charging for upgrades is justified. Provided that said upgrades are to be equal to the top tier, not a step below it.
Although some have made the point, a valid one in fact, that the same obsolescence befell T1-4 ships, I think the case here is different. Those ships were never advertized as final tier ships to be used in a competitive situation. The Fleet/Lockbox/Lobi ships were.
I have several lower tier ships, bought mostly for their unique console and I only fly them for funsies in a non serious setting, such as a lower story mission. I never expected them to be competitive with end game stuff.
Truthfully, I'm really looking forward to Delta Rising's new story content and it looks like cryptic has done a good job on it.
But when we consider the total cost of maxing out a T5 ship under this new system will be, at the very, very least 3000 zen (2000 for ship, 500 for fsm and 500 minimum for upgrade).
I've already spent 2500 zen on my fleet excelsior. I'd be happy to spend another 500, 750 or even a 1000 zen to make her T6. But I doont find the idea of spending that zen to make her less inferior to T6 ships appealing (might as well keep it and be inferior all the way).
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Please show me where, in these blogs/fora/podcasts, did anyone say you need to pay again to keep using your T5.5 ship at T5.5 level?
Please show me where, in these same places, anyone said that your ship will lose currently available functions?
At that point, I will, in all honesty, join you in the "we're being ripped off" brigade.
Otherwise, and what I believe is the stated intent, you will still have exactly what you paid for. A Tier 5.5 "fleet level" Galaxy-X. Nowhere in that description, or the little flavor blurb, does it say that a T5.5 ship will remain "at the endgame highest level of power". It just says that it will be better than a T5 +1 Galaxy-X, as per the "standard" fleet upgrades above the T5 and T5 +1 level.
We may have "read into that" about T5s are "endgame" - being that T5s in all their infinite variety has been the "default endgame" because of their status as the top of the curve, but even then, can you honestly tell me that the T5.5 Gal-X is no better in endgame than the T5 +1, or a T5 Sovvy? If so, why did you even pay that $10 to get 2 characters the fleet grade?
You want T5U? Pay the extra. We're all gonna have to, whether we like it or not. My determinant as to whether I'll pay, and how many times I'll pay, depends partially on the whole "competitiveness" thing about 11th console vs 13 BOff seat, the universal situation (and trust me, I'm lining up for "specialists aren't universal"), and what those ship traits are. I'm planning on grabbing a T6 Sci (if the trait is right), "mastering" her for the trait, then jumping back into ye olde Vesta or maybe even my Orb Weaver depending on whether there's gonna be Mk XIV Aux DHCs for the Vesta... That, and the Weaver's got free upgrade rights...
You want to bring your 5.5 Gal-X against my 5.5 Rademaker (if the Vesta upgrade doesn't automatically make her a 5U) after DR launches to see if you're Gal-X has lost a step? I'll be game. I might bring a 3-pack DSD instead, unless there's a cheap package upgrade to go with the $100 package I bought of DSDs... And it depends on the final price and what my stipend hooks me up with before then... (gold on the 3 month $30 plan...)
You have completely missed it. Since my stuff is no longer end game gear it has lost the value of Zen and grinding time I have put into it since it is now 3rd rate. Therefore, I, LIKE MANY OTHERS are getting the shaft. I'm done. :mad:
Why wasn't there this much raging when Fleet Ships were announced? Paying for the same ship again.
Then again that was years ago, maybe there was raging, i just don't remember it.
simple there wasn't such a big difference between zen and a fleet ship and the module cost was reasonable. I have a Gal X and my fleet was gearing up to get the fleet version. my Gal X can still compete well with fleet versions. The gap is much bigger here and we will be limited in how many ships are availible to us to use for T6 and all of my fleet HATES the new T6 fed cruiser. also they are asking us to pay 500 zen or 1000 zen to upgrade our T 5 ships and it still won't match the T6. thus all the effort we just put in our base mean ABSOLUTELY SQUAT.
3 of 4 of my Feds fly Vestas from the Vesta bundle. I was probably going to try to tough it out in the new Level 60 content anyways. But I see I dont even have the option to upgrade. WTF was one of the best selling ship bundles not included on the list? Though paying for an upgrade basically kills the discounted "bundle" I got when I plunked down $50 for the 3 ship set.
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I'll start by saying that I never wanted a level cap increase or another tier of ships, I was happy with T5/lvl 50.. in a lot of MMOs it basically means all the gear you've got becomes worthless..
Overall though, I think what s described so far is acceptable: sure it costs to upgrade, but at least we can upgrade most of the old ships.
There's this one big exception however... the upgrade path for fleet ships that qualify for a FSM discount is absolutely horrible. A fleet ship is a per character purchase, so people are unlikely to get the same fleet ship on multiple characters, making the account wide unlock relatively worthless for fleet ships. I have the cstore T5 defiant (Tactical Escort Retrofit) which I use on multiple characters, but is the primary ship only on my tac. I like to switch ships, so I'll only get the fleet version on characters that really suit a ship. So for the tac i-I invest in a fleet ship.
Now with the T6 ships coming up, i will have to invest in an account wide T6 upgrade of the cstore T5 defiant (Tactical Escort Retrofit), this is perfectly fine for me, i'm glad i can keep using the ships i love. But here's the part i think is unacceptable: my tac is stuck on the T5.5 (fleet) ship, unless I pay for the upgrade again!! I don't intend to buy the upgrade for the same ships twice.. once for the cstore version, fine, but it should apply the upgrade to the fleet ship if it qualifies for an FSM discount as well. Basically the T6 upgrade should stack with the fleet upgrade.
If this is implemented as is, I'm not going to be investing any more in fleet ships.. the fleet ship upgrade is the lesser of the 2 and is character bound.. i'd rather use my account wide T5-U defiant on my tac then the T5.5 fleet defiant without upgrade.
Once i buy the upgrade for either the cstore T5 defiant, it should allow me to upgrade the other to a T5-U fleet defiant as well. Without this, I can't see myself investing in fleet ships any more on any characters..
Another thing, but less critical imho: upgrades of bundle ships should apply to ALL ships in the bundle, maybe at a slightly higher cost, but having to upgrade 3 ships simply to want to try another build is way over the top..
3 of 4 of my Feds fly Vestas from the Vesta bundle. I was probably going to try to tough it out in the new Level 60 content anyways. But I see I dont even have the option to upgrade. WTF was one of the best selling ship bundles not included on the list? Though paying for an upgrade basically kills the discounted "bundle" I got when I plunked down $50 for the 3 ship set.
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The Multi-Mission ships are on the upgrade list, so yes, you can upgrade them.
They're listed with their C-Store titles, 'Multi-Mission explorer' etc, rather than 'Vesta' so I can see how you missed them.
I'll start by saying that I never wanted a level cap increase or another tier of ships, I was happy with T5/lvl 50.. in a lot of MMOs it basically means all the gear you've got becomes worthless..
Overall though, I think what s described so far is acceptable: sure it costs to upgrade, but at least we can upgrade most of the old ships.
There's this one big exception however... the upgrade path for fleet ships that qualify for a FSM discount is absolutely horrible. A fleet ship is a per character purchase, so people are unlikely to get the same fleet ship on multiple characters, making the account wide unlock relatively worthless for fleet ships. I have the cstore T5 defiant (Tactical Escort Retrofit) which I use on multiple characters, but is the primary ship only on my tac. I like to switch ships, so I'll only get the fleet version on characters that really suit a ship. So for the tac i-I invest in a fleet ship.
Now with the T6 ships coming up, i will have to invest in an account wide T6 upgrade of the cstore T5 defiant (Tactical Escort Retrofit), this is perfectly fine for me, i'm glad i can keep using the ships i love. But here's the part i think is unacceptable: my tac is stuck on the T5.5 (fleet) ship, unless I pay for the upgrade again!! I don't intend to buy the upgrade for the same ships twice.. once for the cstore version, fine, but it should apply the upgrade to the fleet ship if it qualifies for an FSM discount as well. Basically the T6 upgrade should stack with the fleet upgrade.
If this is implemented as is, I'm not going to be investing any more in fleet ships.. the fleet ship upgrade is the lesser of the 2 and is character bound.. i'd rather use my account wide T5-U defiant on my tac then the T5.5 fleet defiant without upgrade.
Once i buy the upgrade for either the cstore T5 defiant, it should allow me to upgrade the other to a T5-U fleet defiant as well. Without this, I can't see myself investing in fleet ships any more on any characters..
Stacking the T5-U upgrade with the FSM discount is a good idea. I'd add to that by saying that those who already have the fleet ships should get the upgrade for free.
while I agree with your post to a point I will say you are wrong about warp cores, ships always had them just not as removable/changeable items.
none of the ships would have got very far without them even before you could change them.
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If you think this is bad, wait until everyone realises that all their Gen XII ultra rare equipment will need to be upgraded to XIII or XIV with the new level cap too. (Think about it, it makes sense).
Or have Cryptic already said that this won't happen with X2?
I think one has to have a sane and rational mind in order to be out of it...but I concur. Seriously cryptic/perfect world...are you out of your ****ing minds? I'll say it...I don't care if you ban me from your pathetic little forum. I'm saying my peace!! I've already put thousands of hours into my 26 level 50 toons, at least 1500 dollars in real world money and have grinded beyond reason to make all of them competitive and my reward is that at least 16 of my Captains now have to pay even more real world money in order to keep them mostly competitive. Seriously Cryptic...**** off!! And to the whiny fan boys defenders who will feel the need to quote me and tell me a thing or two **** you too. I won't waste my time debating you and it won't matter because I'll be banned anyway You may enjoy being bent over without Cryptic/Perfect World handing you any lube but the vast majority of us do not.
I 100% agree with all you have said!
Life time members And people that have put in hundreds of Real time money should get a huge break. then why did we become Life members and add more Real time money on top of that just to have been Sc***ed yet again for the T6 ships and items.
I am still waiting for them to give me my Risa corvet that has disappeared from my Ferengi toon. Are they not worth of that ship? Writing tickets one after another has got me no where. any advice there?
Please do not strample over our Love of Star trek and this game to fill your pockets even more. PLEASE!
I own 8 c-store ships that I have all gotten with dilithium alone. If you don't want to pay money then either don't get the ships or use dilithium. T3 c-store ships are also not endgame but I dont see anyone complaining about not being able to upgrade them, all I see is "wow you like sucking [edited] dont you thats TRIBBLE."
T6 is no different than any of the other tiers and if you want ships/equip of that quality you earn them or pay for them just like everything else.
Ya . . . sorry - I cant be on STO 10hrs a day to grind out that much Dil. I had the cash at the time, so I got the ships - which by the way is none of your business. Like so many other PAYING customers - I have a right to provide my opinion, arguably more than you for not supporting the game financially.
As for people complaining about up-gradable T3 ships - I think you might need to do your homework on that. People didn't HAVE to complain because T5 versions were made available (eg the Nebula, Excelsior) making your point completely irrelevant.
Some people need to remember, these unlocks are account wide. So if you buy the T5-U Defiant on one character, it unlocks it for all your characters.
Same with T5-U Fleet ships. Though you still need to buy the base fleet ship first on the alts that don't have it.
Still the point is there.....You still have to pay to upgrade ships you already PAID for. Not like Cryptic doesn't make enough off of the Lockbox keys, they feel they have to line their pockets. Give us FREE upgrades if we have to PAY for expansions. WoW, and many other MMOs do it.
Still the point is there.....You still have to pay to upgrade ships you already PAID for. Not like Cryptic doesn't make enough off of the Lockbox keys, they feel they have to line their pockets. Give us FREE upgrades if we have to PAY for expansions. WoW, and many other MMOs do it.
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how old are dyson destroyers? 7 months? mogh and avenger cruisers? 10 mths?
I bet there are some free 2 play gamers here who got more endgear and ships and all of the best stuff, etc. than any other pay 2 win gamer. it's all about knowledge.
what bothers me most now, i can't buy anymore 2 new shipslots from the c-store, i hit the shipslot cap. lol
Never said I was a fan just have common sence to understand the big picture. Perhaps insted of dogging me over my thoughts you should go and work on your common sence. And to let you know I wont be comming back becouse I wont be leaving over this
Your post stands for itself. :rolleyes:
What really boggles my mind is the fact that people expected that they get free progression from a game. Progression is always earned through some combination of in-game resources, time and real world money. All MMO's do this no matter the model. Each game just balances the costs in different ways.
I see that everyone thinks that thier Tier 5 ships are obsolte. But as I read the blogs and play the game, I realize that my Tier 4 ships are just as capable of doing an elite STF as my Tier 5. I just get things done faster in the Tier 5. Same goes for PVP, I started PVP in a tier 3 ship and was holding my own aganst Tier 5's. Now I use Tier 5's and I don't die as often, but I get just as many kills. I am not the best pvper out there, but I know that I am not the worst. Obsolences in this game is only in the players mind, not in the capability of the game. A dedicated player can get good enough to make even a Tier 1 ship do well in PVP and PVE content. Just many people don't try because that is a very hard road to travel. But I am trying to travel that path just for the sheer fun of it.
People just need to calm down and quit griping over the small stuff and look at bigger, more important issues, like the graphics not always showing, or time it takes to master one R&D school. There are more, but you get the picture.
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Better ships costing more isn't a new thing. My Scimitar is flat out better (specs wise) than my Vadore retrofit. But I still fly the Valdore in all but the hardest content, because Donatra flew one. The Valdore got "devalued" by the Scimitar's release but I didn't care because I bought the Scimitar and had more game play options.
And for the record, I doubt any 13th BOFF power will top a Scimitar-U with an 11th console slot and the "shields up while cloaked" console that I rely on WAY too much.
Please show me where, in these blogs/fora/podcasts, did anyone say you need to pay again to keep using your T5.5 ship at T5.5 level?
Please show me where, in these same places, anyone said that your ship will lose currently available functions?
At that point, I will, in all honesty, join you in the "we're being ripped off" brigade.
Otherwise, and what I believe is the stated intent, you will still have exactly what you paid for. A Tier 5.5 "fleet level" Galaxy-X. Nowhere in that description, or the little flavor blurb, does it say that a T5.5 ship will remain "at the endgame highest level of power". It just says that it will be better than a T5 +1 Galaxy-X, as per the "standard" fleet upgrades above the T5 and T5 +1 level.
We may have "read into that" about T5s are "endgame" - being that T5s in all their infinite variety has been the "default endgame" because of their status as the top of the curve, but even then, can you honestly tell me that the T5.5 Gal-X is no better in endgame than the T5 +1, or a T5 Sovvy? If so, why did you even pay that $10 to get 2 characters the fleet grade?
You want T5U? Pay the extra. We're all gonna have to, whether we like it or not. My determinant as to whether I'll pay, and how many times I'll pay, depends partially on the whole "competitiveness" thing about 11th console vs 13 BOff seat, the universal situation (and trust me, I'm lining up for "specialists aren't universal"), and what those ship traits are. I'm planning on grabbing a T6 Sci (if the trait is right), "mastering" her for the trait, then jumping back into ye olde Vesta or maybe even my Orb Weaver depending on whether there's gonna be Mk XIV Aux DHCs for the Vesta... That, and the Weaver's got free upgrade rights...
You want to bring your 5.5 Gal-X against my 5.5 Rademaker (if the Vesta upgrade doesn't automatically make her a 5U) after DR launches to see if you're Gal-X has lost a step? I'll be game. I might bring a 3-pack DSD instead, unless there's a cheap package upgrade to go with the $100 package I bought of DSDs... And it depends on the final price and what my stipend hooks me up with before then... (gold on the 3 month $30 plan...)
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Pushing for them to upgrade free is ..not helpful. They need to make a buck like everyone else. A purchaseable+grindable+questable full t6 retrofit to keep our investment out of the scrapyard doesn't seem outrageous, I would think of it like buying an expansion pack
There is clarification earlier on, the only functional difference between them is T5-U will have an extra console slot and T6 will have a 13th boff ability. Only some T6 can use the new boff type and the Mastery trait is just a trait and may not even be used at all, both ship classes can only use 4 ship traits at a time and more than 4 traits can be acquired. Think of it as the rep traits but for ships.
Personally I do feel that charging for upgrades is justified. Provided that said upgrades are to be equal to the top tier, not a step below it.
Although some have made the point, a valid one in fact, that the same obsolescence befell T1-4 ships, I think the case here is different. Those ships were never advertized as final tier ships to be used in a competitive situation. The Fleet/Lockbox/Lobi ships were.
I have several lower tier ships, bought mostly for their unique console and I only fly them for funsies in a non serious setting, such as a lower story mission. I never expected them to be competitive with end game stuff.
Truthfully, I'm really looking forward to Delta Rising's new story content and it looks like cryptic has done a good job on it.
But when we consider the total cost of maxing out a T5 ship under this new system will be, at the very, very least 3000 zen (2000 for ship, 500 for fsm and 500 minimum for upgrade).
I've already spent 2500 zen on my fleet excelsior. I'd be happy to spend another 500, 750 or even a 1000 zen to make her T6. But I doont find the idea of spending that zen to make her less inferior to T6 ships appealing (might as well keep it and be inferior all the way).
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You have completely missed it. Since my stuff is no longer end game gear it has lost the value of Zen and grinding time I have put into it since it is now 3rd rate. Therefore, I, LIKE MANY OTHERS are getting the shaft. I'm done. :mad:
simple there wasn't such a big difference between zen and a fleet ship and the module cost was reasonable. I have a Gal X and my fleet was gearing up to get the fleet version. my Gal X can still compete well with fleet versions. The gap is much bigger here and we will be limited in how many ships are availible to us to use for T6 and all of my fleet HATES the new T6 fed cruiser. also they are asking us to pay 500 zen or 1000 zen to upgrade our T 5 ships and it still won't match the T6. thus all the effort we just put in our base mean ABSOLUTELY SQUAT.
#LeftBehind
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
Overall though, I think what s described so far is acceptable: sure it costs to upgrade, but at least we can upgrade most of the old ships.
There's this one big exception however... the upgrade path for fleet ships that qualify for a FSM discount is absolutely horrible. A fleet ship is a per character purchase, so people are unlikely to get the same fleet ship on multiple characters, making the account wide unlock relatively worthless for fleet ships. I have the cstore T5 defiant (Tactical Escort Retrofit) which I use on multiple characters, but is the primary ship only on my tac. I like to switch ships, so I'll only get the fleet version on characters that really suit a ship. So for the tac i-I invest in a fleet ship.
Now with the T6 ships coming up, i will have to invest in an account wide T6 upgrade of the cstore T5 defiant (Tactical Escort Retrofit), this is perfectly fine for me, i'm glad i can keep using the ships i love. But here's the part i think is unacceptable: my tac is stuck on the T5.5 (fleet) ship, unless I pay for the upgrade again!! I don't intend to buy the upgrade for the same ships twice.. once for the cstore version, fine, but it should apply the upgrade to the fleet ship if it qualifies for an FSM discount as well. Basically the T6 upgrade should stack with the fleet upgrade.
If this is implemented as is, I'm not going to be investing any more in fleet ships.. the fleet ship upgrade is the lesser of the 2 and is character bound.. i'd rather use my account wide T5-U defiant on my tac then the T5.5 fleet defiant without upgrade.
Once i buy the upgrade for either the cstore T5 defiant, it should allow me to upgrade the other to a T5-U fleet defiant as well. Without this, I can't see myself investing in fleet ships any more on any characters..
Another thing, but less critical imho: upgrades of bundle ships should apply to ALL ships in the bundle, maybe at a slightly higher cost, but having to upgrade 3 ships simply to want to try another build is way over the top..
The Multi-Mission ships are on the upgrade list, so yes, you can upgrade them.
They're listed with their C-Store titles, 'Multi-Mission explorer' etc, rather than 'Vesta' so I can see how you missed them.
And you upgrade per class, rather than per ship, so you should have to upgrade just once.
none of the ships would have got very far without them even before you could change them.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Or have Cryptic already said that this won't happen with X2?
I 100% agree with all you have said!
Life time members And people that have put in hundreds of Real time money should get a huge break. then why did we become Life members and add more Real time money on top of that just to have been Sc***ed yet again for the T6 ships and items.
I am still waiting for them to give me my Risa corvet that has disappeared from my Ferengi toon. Are they not worth of that ship? Writing tickets one after another has got me no where. any advice there?
Please do not strample over our Love of Star trek and this game to fill your pockets even more. PLEASE!
Epoch, Tar'kis
Ya . . . sorry - I cant be on STO 10hrs a day to grind out that much Dil. I had the cash at the time, so I got the ships - which by the way is none of your business. Like so many other PAYING customers - I have a right to provide my opinion, arguably more than you for not supporting the game financially.
As for people complaining about up-gradable T3 ships - I think you might need to do your homework on that. People didn't HAVE to complain because T5 versions were made available (eg the Nebula, Excelsior) making your point completely irrelevant.
Same with T5-U Fleet ships. Though you still need to buy the base fleet ship first on the alts that don't have it.
So that will save you money for characters who have the same ships.
Still the point is there.....You still have to pay to upgrade ships you already PAID for. Not like Cryptic doesn't make enough off of the Lockbox keys, they feel they have to line their pockets. Give us FREE upgrades if we have to PAY for expansions. WoW, and many other MMOs do it.
STO Expansions are free.
Not everybody has all their characters flying the same ship. So that doesn't matter.
That is my point. If they charge for expansions, then we should get more of what we want.