Blah blah. Blah insert tears and but hurt here blah blah blah
End of conversation.
Sure we must pay 'money' to upgrade our ships we already own, I am used to it by now (I dont think it is right let that be clear). But not make our ship REAL T6 is WRONG very WRONG.
Yeah cool story bro but you people are just ridiculous ......you don't think you sound have to pay for a upgrade huh?? So let me ask if you had office 2012 and then comes office 2013 and let me guess you want that for free right ??? NO
Any T5 ship bought in Z store should have a free upgrade...cause we alrdy paid for it.
This is a game NOT a car or a refrigderator, its a game, those Ships/Ship packages cost upwards to $25 or more.
And to all of you that are bagging on Lifers and Subs...if it wasn't for us this game would have folded before F2P was even thought of. We paid/ are paying are due's to keep STO afloat and do not like being milked to pay for ships we alrdy paid top dollar for. It should be a "Thank You freebie" for supporting the game.
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Whoo hoo I'm soo HAPPY that just one of my many ships has a free half ***ed upgrade!
ok lol i should have used quotes. i was just trying to help someone who thought they had to pay for it.
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As other players have said, our ships are already so overpowered vs. content that 'zomg T6 moar powar!' is completely optional.
The whole "but someone else will have better stats than meeeee!" argument only applies to a small majority of players who can't sleep at night unless they are waving the biggest e-peen around.
ANY decent player knows that a proper ship skill/BOff/equipment layout, as well as knowing how to actually pilot and use those abilities, is 3 times more important than your ship stats. Get good with your ships and T6 is only icing on the cake. I mean, I like some icing... but I am happy with just the cake.
As to the OP's hypothetical convo, here is another:
Cryptic: "We're posting some events that give you free stuff, lots of extra dilithium, marks, etc.:
Forum: "It's a grind. We have to do stuff. Then we have to do it again. We hate you."
Cryptic: "Okay, well that was just the warmup. We are releasing new content, new ships, new races right after"
Forum: "It's a trick to extort money out of us. Make it all free, or we hate you more!"
Cryptic: "Well okay then, we'll make a lot of the upgrades free, AND release some cool new ships, AND allow you to upgrade your old stuff to something better for a cost - maybe not the cheapest cost, but not the most either."
Forum: "WHAT?! PAY for better stuff? Are you insane? We hate you so much now that hate just doesn't have enough letters in it to express. We need new words."
Somewhat of an exaggeration of course, but seriously people, get a grip. The whiners in here are an embarrassment, grow up and put on some big-boy pants.
And to all of you that are bagging on Lifers and Subs...if it wasn't for us this game would have folded before F2P was even thought of. We paid/ are paying are due's to keep STO afloat and do not like being milked to pay for ships we alrdy paid top dollar for. It should be a "Thank You freebie" for supporting the game.
Before FTP there was only Subscribers. Spending money was the only way you could play.
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I've already pumped over a 100+ into my vesta's build. I'm okay putting more into her. I don't wish to pilot any other ship tbh. To each their own. If the OP wishes not to do that, it's cool with me. But this way I don't feel forced to vacate a ship I love.
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After reading that post I feel like I just got kicked in the balls. I know its a money grab but I have at least 11 C-Store ships that I will need to spend 5-10 bucks each on if I want to upgrade them. If they keep releasing ships I have to spend money on and then spend more money on later then whats the point of collecting ships I like to play. I dont have enough cash to pump in just to keep playing the ships I like at their best possible level. Wonder how much it will cost for Tier 7 and 8 ships when they get around to it.
Now watch at me, i have 47 ships and 10 shuttles!:eek: 57 x 500 zen for the upgrades = 28,5k zen. fk this, i'm not going to do this again. if you consider that 1 zen=1 cent, 100 zen=$1.00 USD, 28500 zen is 285.00$ LOL....
"they"really think we can "brick" money like a donkey.
Free.....but pointess. Why bother spending time leveling up a T5U ship knowing that when you hit the ceiling, someone in a T6 ship will be surpassing you and getting ready to dish out serious punishment in PVP and bump you down to 4th, 5th, 6th, last place in PVE.
Upgrade another T5 (Because you paid for and love the ship) and level up just to again fall well short of the those in leveled T6 ships which will no doubt be increasing in number daily, or pay to get a T6 and level it up to stay competitive?
The more I think about the more I think this whole idea is very ill conceived and will cause massive problems and upset. It is a cash cow business plan with little though for long term consequence or player enjoyment.
I love my Tac Odyssey, if this comes in it won't be worth a squirt and would be abandoned for a Tier 6, if I stayed playing the game that is.
I'm currently flying a n Advanced Fleet Escort and with the new levelling I know my little ship can handle what ever the Delta Quadrant throws at it. Cryptic have got it right as far as I'm concerned with the new t6 ships, you can take it or leave it and i'll be leaving them alone.
Whatever the case may be, I'm not paying for what I already have paid for.
You are not paying again for something you already have, get that through your thick skull. None of those Galaxy ships you have been whining about will be taken from you or changed in any way and you will not be charged to keep them. You pay NOTHING for what you have.
If you want to get the Galaxy T5-U VARIANT , an entirely new ship, you can buy one and it will cost you the same amount that a Fleet variant would and it is an account wide unlock unlike the Fleet variant.
Over the years I've bought quite a number of starships. While it's true I haven't played with some of them for awhile, I'm not happy with having my choice (that I paid for) of what I thought were end-game ships reduced to a few that I would now need to pay extra for in order to remain competitive.
I would recommend that Star Trek Online team reconsidered and ensured the total additional cost (if any) for those that have PAID for their ships is as minimal as possible taking into consideration the "fleets" of ships that some of us have bought from you. I'm not going to pay even 500 zen to upgrade every single ship (Federation, Romulan nor Klingon) that I've ever bought. Rather, this will lead me to spend less on any new ships (and new ship slots) and characters since I'll never know when they will be outdated as well.
Yes the t6 ships will most assuredly be "better" due to hitpoints and the additional boff slot,s however those will work out, but please let us have a REALITY CHECK here:
The Current elite content is no challenge for a fully geared characters no matter the ship (not talking sub endgame tier ships here obviously, though lets remember the elite stfs were done with t2 ships...).
You forget that 80% of the money this game generates is due to all those kids and rich players charging high ammounts of zen every month, and all those golden subscribers, and those players are the ones who will always want the best of the best no matter what, without even worrying about the healt or the future of the game, even if they can do all elite content with just common MKX gear. A player that actually pays for playing this game, only wants one thing -> the best ship, the best equipment, the best everything, it doesnt matter if he is actually NOT enjoying the game.
This is how these people behave, and cryptic knows that. All the changes cryptic does are focused to these people. My complain is, i am not a rich person, i am not a kid, i play to enjoy the game, and enjoying the game doesnt mean to have the best of the best. I know reasonable people will think this way, but the 80% of the rest will not. They will think "nice, a new ship, lets buy it, nice new weapons!! lets buy em!! oh wait, they cost a lot of money, well, wth who cares lets buy everything!!" lol.
And i repeat. These players are the ones who are destroying this game. Because all the bad decisions cryptic makes are based on the premise "we have plenty of money and people keep charging zen so, who cares what the player base or what bugs we have in the game, lets keep releasing stuff without worrying about everything else..". And this is the story over and over again. A lot of people complains about everything but then, they are in the same bag than these players.. so. XD. You know what i mean..
This is virtual reality NOT reality. My Fleet Elite Dual heavy cannons are just as good as when I got them. There's no wear and tear on them, they do not age. They don't depreciate like a car.
I am sorry you missed my point its called progress this game has been stale the last four years and now they are adding to the end game content but I get it scream about lack of end game content and when they do add to it wait............Dont mess with my ship
I wish Cryptic would just add mirror configurations to fleet ships. The whole point of those is for the different seat configurations and now we won't be able to progress those ships to T5U because they're 'available for EC'.
You know what else is available for EC? Lockbox and lobi ships. Yes, it's 'a lot' of EC', but it still means that justification spits in the face of players everywhere.
After having seen a lot of discussion regarding the T5 upgrade and especially whether the ships we're flying will remain as useful as they are now, I'd like to start my own thread, even though there are already many others, to get myself some attention.
Fixed that for you.
Starting new threads about the same subject doesn't advance the discussion.
You are not paying again for something you already have, get that through your thick skull. None of those Galaxy ships you have been whining about will be taken from you or changed in any way and you will not be charged to keep them. You pay NOTHING for what you have.
If you want to get the Galaxy T5-U VARIANT , an entirely new ship, you can buy one and it will cost you the same amount that a Fleet variant would and it is an account wide unlock unlike the Fleet variant.
It's the same ship with slightly, but not worth it, stats. It is NOT an entirely new ship. The T6 ships are entirely new. And thank you! I'm glad I have a thick skull. That way I won't be told BOHICA and not care, just like you. Good day
You are not paying again for something you already have, get that through your thick skull. None of those Galaxy ships you have been whining about will be taken from you or changed in any way and you will not be charged to keep them. You pay NOTHING for what you have.
If you want to get the Galaxy T5-U VARIANT , an entirely new ship, you can buy one and it will cost you the same amount that a Fleet variant would and it is an account wide unlock unlike the Fleet variant.
Totally disagree, it's the same ship that you would pay for. Only difference is that it's stats will be changed. Stats by themselves are nothing of course, it's how they compare to rest of the stats around in the game.
My problem is not that I don't want to pay for 1 or 2 ships (that I have bought meanwhile) to get them upgraded. My problem is that I have couple of Federation (each different class so I've bought them different ships), a Klingon and a Romulan character. By now I have a freakin' fleet that I have paid for and you are telling me that it's outdated and I have to pay for every single one again something in order to ensure they are to the top level that they were before. That won't simply happen, I'll rather bring my money somewhere else.
I wish Cryptic would just add mirror configurations to fleet ships. The whole point of those is for the different seat configurations and now we won't be able to progress those ships to T5U because they're 'available for EC'.
You know what else is available for EC? Lockbox and lobi ships. Yes, it's 'a lot' of EC', but it still means that justification spits in the face of players everywhere.
I'd LOVE to have the mirror skin on my Fleet Gal X. I with you there.
I am sorry you missed my point its called progress this game has been stale the last four years and now they are adding to the end game content but I get it scream about lack of end game content and when they do add to it wait............Dont mess with my ship
For people like myself and many of my fleet mates that have a most of the C-Store ships are expected to shell out a lot money just to stay within spitting distance. That adds up to a lot of money.
It's a nice gesture but Cryptic has stated time and time again that they don't listen to the forums or the players. That was likely just put there as a courtesy.
Pretty much this. But people will never get it. Newbies, mostly.
Constructive feedback?? i wonder what that means for cryptic, seriously. Because everything we say, it doesnt matter if its really useful or not, its been always ignored by cryptic. They proved it for 2 years now.
You are not paying again for something you already have, get that through your thick skull. None of those Galaxy ships you have been whining about will be taken from you or changed in any way and you will not be charged to keep them. You pay NOTHING for what you have.
If you want to get the Galaxy T5-U VARIANT , an entirely new ship, you can buy one and it will cost you the same amount that a Fleet variant would and it is an account wide unlock unlike the Fleet variant.
And you get this in your skull. all of our current endgame ships are now no more ENDGAME ships. We all have to pay real money to be again ENDGAME competitive. In other words, "they" stole all of our hard earned and expensively paid ships and gear. they made all what we had, now worthless!
And everyone who aquires now T6 ships and Mk XIII or XIV gear, in some near feature, "they" will nerf this too, if they feel so to do.
It makes no sense to have endgear now, because everything you buy is already outdated stuff, you just dont know it yet.
I am sorry you missed my point its called progress this game has been stale the last four years and now they are adding to the end game content but I get it scream about lack of end game content and when they do add to it wait............Dont mess with my ship
Whatever you say fan boy. Come back when the shaft gets too much for you.
After having seen a lot of discussion regarding the T5 upgrade and especially whether the ships we're flying will remain as useful as they are now, I'd like to give my view on this discussion and the naivety I've seen so far.
Tier 5 ships won't remain as useful as they are. It is something not too many players seem aware of, but every time new gear is released, new traits become available or more powerful ships come into existence, the enemies in this game are improved as well.
Try doing the missions from more than one or two years ago without a warp core. Without special reputation traits. Without the newest Spire tactical consoles. You'll see that your ship will be far worse than before all these things were released. In sector space, you won't even pass warp 5 without a warp core, whereas you could easily break that barrier with impulse engines only before warp cores were here.
Or try doing a ground mission without the new kit frames that give bonuses to shields and weapon proficiency. Again, you'll find you're far less capable of doing these missions before these new kit frames were even available.
It is logical to assume that with the release of T6 ships, and their 'bells and whistles', tier 5 ships will become less able to do the missions we're all playing now. Since you can't make players more powerful and keep doing that without making the enemies more powerful.
The only solution to this would be to give T6 ships access to T6 content only. That way, players in ICE, Cure Elite and so on won't be much better and there won't be a need to improve the enemies. Otherwise, expect the enemies to become more powerful again in these missions, and expect to need a tier 6 ship in these missions if you don't want to be comparatively weaker than when you're fighting them now.
Edit: the same goes for mark 14 gear. You're going to need them in Infected and the Cure, if you want to remain as powerful as you are now with mk 12 gear.
Umm...have you even played the game? People can faceroll Elite STF's in mere minutes...people weren't doing that years ago.
The game has only gotten easier and easier as the power creep grows...
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Whoo hoo I'm soo HAPPY that just one of my many ships has a free half ***ed upgrade!
Yeah cool story bro but you people are just ridiculous ......you don't think you sound have to pay for a upgrade huh?? So let me ask if you had office 2012 and then comes office 2013 and let me guess you want that for free right ??? NO
This is a game NOT a car or a refrigderator, its a game, those Ships/Ship packages cost upwards to $25 or more.
And to all of you that are bagging on Lifers and Subs...if it wasn't for us this game would have folded before F2P was even thought of. We paid/ are paying are due's to keep STO afloat and do not like being milked to pay for ships we alrdy paid top dollar for. It should be a "Thank You freebie" for supporting the game.
Betty
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Commander Morgana (PvP...PvE...STF...KDF)
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[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] STO Join date: 7 Feb 2010
ok lol i should have used quotes. i was just trying to help someone who thought they had to pay for it.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
The whole "but someone else will have better stats than meeeee!" argument only applies to a small majority of players who can't sleep at night unless they are waving the biggest e-peen around.
ANY decent player knows that a proper ship skill/BOff/equipment layout, as well as knowing how to actually pilot and use those abilities, is 3 times more important than your ship stats. Get good with your ships and T6 is only icing on the cake. I mean, I like some icing... but I am happy with just the cake.
As to the OP's hypothetical convo, here is another:
Cryptic: "We're posting some events that give you free stuff, lots of extra dilithium, marks, etc.:
Forum: "It's a grind. We have to do stuff. Then we have to do it again. We hate you."
Cryptic: "Okay, well that was just the warmup. We are releasing new content, new ships, new races right after"
Forum: "It's a trick to extort money out of us. Make it all free, or we hate you more!"
Cryptic: "Well okay then, we'll make a lot of the upgrades free, AND release some cool new ships, AND allow you to upgrade your old stuff to something better for a cost - maybe not the cheapest cost, but not the most either."
Forum: "WHAT?! PAY for better stuff? Are you insane? We hate you so much now that hate just doesn't have enough letters in it to express. We need new words."
Somewhat of an exaggeration of course, but seriously people, get a grip. The whiners in here are an embarrassment, grow up and put on some big-boy pants.
Then again I suppose they don't really have any reason to not TRIBBLE over lifers, they already have our money.
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Preach it brother!
"they"really think we can "brick" money like a donkey.
Free.....but pointess. Why bother spending time leveling up a T5U ship knowing that when you hit the ceiling, someone in a T6 ship will be surpassing you and getting ready to dish out serious punishment in PVP and bump you down to 4th, 5th, 6th, last place in PVE.
Upgrade another T5 (Because you paid for and love the ship) and level up just to again fall well short of the those in leveled T6 ships which will no doubt be increasing in number daily, or pay to get a T6 and level it up to stay competitive?
The more I think about the more I think this whole idea is very ill conceived and will cause massive problems and upset. It is a cash cow business plan with little though for long term consequence or player enjoyment.
I love my Tac Odyssey, if this comes in it won't be worth a squirt and would be abandoned for a Tier 6, if I stayed playing the game that is.
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Exactly! I'm surprised there aren't already at least a dozen of them!
Oh wait...
You are not paying again for something you already have, get that through your thick skull. None of those Galaxy ships you have been whining about will be taken from you or changed in any way and you will not be charged to keep them. You pay NOTHING for what you have.
If you want to get the Galaxy T5-U VARIANT , an entirely new ship, you can buy one and it will cost you the same amount that a Fleet variant would and it is an account wide unlock unlike the Fleet variant.
I would recommend that Star Trek Online team reconsidered and ensured the total additional cost (if any) for those that have PAID for their ships is as minimal as possible taking into consideration the "fleets" of ships that some of us have bought from you. I'm not going to pay even 500 zen to upgrade every single ship (Federation, Romulan nor Klingon) that I've ever bought. Rather, this will lead me to spend less on any new ships (and new ship slots) and characters since I'll never know when they will be outdated as well.
You forget that 80% of the money this game generates is due to all those kids and rich players charging high ammounts of zen every month, and all those golden subscribers, and those players are the ones who will always want the best of the best no matter what, without even worrying about the healt or the future of the game, even if they can do all elite content with just common MKX gear. A player that actually pays for playing this game, only wants one thing -> the best ship, the best equipment, the best everything, it doesnt matter if he is actually NOT enjoying the game.
This is how these people behave, and cryptic knows that. All the changes cryptic does are focused to these people. My complain is, i am not a rich person, i am not a kid, i play to enjoy the game, and enjoying the game doesnt mean to have the best of the best. I know reasonable people will think this way, but the 80% of the rest will not. They will think "nice, a new ship, lets buy it, nice new weapons!! lets buy em!! oh wait, they cost a lot of money, well, wth who cares lets buy everything!!" lol.
And i repeat. These players are the ones who are destroying this game. Because all the bad decisions cryptic makes are based on the premise "we have plenty of money and people keep charging zen so, who cares what the player base or what bugs we have in the game, lets keep releasing stuff without worrying about everything else..". And this is the story over and over again. A lot of people complains about everything but then, they are in the same bag than these players.. so. XD. You know what i mean..
I am sorry you missed my point its called progress this game has been stale the last four years and now they are adding to the end game content but I get it scream about lack of end game content and when they do add to it wait............Dont mess with my ship
lol
I just find it amazing how people know it's going to be *garbage* without knowing the slightest details of what the extra goodies T6 ships will have.
Then again if you can do 50k dps in one ship and 50.001k dps in a new ship the 50k dps ship is garbage...
You know what else is available for EC? Lockbox and lobi ships. Yes, it's 'a lot' of EC', but it still means that justification spits in the face of players everywhere.
Starting new threads about the same subject doesn't advance the discussion.
You think your ship isnt useful anymore? Discard it buy a new one.
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It's the same ship with slightly, but not worth it, stats. It is NOT an entirely new ship. The T6 ships are entirely new. And thank you! I'm glad I have a thick skull. That way I won't be told BOHICA and not care, just like you. Good day
You should read the blogs. They already said what the new ships will have different from the older ones.
Totally disagree, it's the same ship that you would pay for. Only difference is that it's stats will be changed. Stats by themselves are nothing of course, it's how they compare to rest of the stats around in the game.
My problem is not that I don't want to pay for 1 or 2 ships (that I have bought meanwhile) to get them upgraded. My problem is that I have couple of Federation (each different class so I've bought them different ships), a Klingon and a Romulan character. By now I have a freakin' fleet that I have paid for and you are telling me that it's outdated and I have to pay for every single one again something in order to ensure they are to the top level that they were before. That won't simply happen, I'll rather bring my money somewhere else.
I'd LOVE to have the mirror skin on my Fleet Gal X. I with you there.
For people like myself and many of my fleet mates that have a most of the C-Store ships are expected to shell out a lot money just to stay within spitting distance. That adds up to a lot of money.
Pretty much this. But people will never get it. Newbies, mostly.
Constructive feedback?? i wonder what that means for cryptic, seriously. Because everything we say, it doesnt matter if its really useful or not, its been always ignored by cryptic. They proved it for 2 years now.
And everyone who aquires now T6 ships and Mk XIII or XIV gear, in some near feature, "they" will nerf this too, if they feel so to do.
It makes no sense to have endgear now, because everything you buy is already outdated stuff, you just dont know it yet.
Whatever you say fan boy. Come back when the shaft gets too much for you.
Umm...have you even played the game? People can faceroll Elite STF's in mere minutes...people weren't doing that years ago.
The game has only gotten easier and easier as the power creep grows...