But they do, and you guys with your equal T6 none sense would make them un-unique.
The new t6 ships do have something unique - the new unlock able ship trait. Most people agree that's fine because that carries over to existing ships after you unlock it. What's not ok is this extra boff skill business that makes t6 clearly superior.
Personally though I think the line should be at 10 consoles, 12 boss skills and no further, we already have enough ability bloat as it is and the new ship system is incentive enough.
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another question and hopefully there is an answer pls this being said and done and we arnt going to loose too much (hopefully) what about the mk xii gear thats rep gained are these going to be upgraded into infinity (similar to the tractor beam mines?)
or are we to face the possibility of fighting re gain all the rep gear we have been grinding for each new lvl up to 60 and beyond to keep it lvl'd
(and on a personal note pls pls pls for the love of god make tovan keiv a reclaimable boff the same as a jem boff that way when the skill retrainer decides to smeg up my retraining and accidentally whifflebat tovan's rapid fire 3 to something i was attempting to get on another boff i can sort him out as this is impossible of current as he is both BOUND and UNDELETEABLE)
Hi cryptic defender fan boy! I hope you feel good about yourself for that statement. And to answer your question, yes because I paid and ground for it like every other player here. I'm not paying or grinding anymore. I've done my bit for king and country.
I'm not defending them, I'm defending their choice of action.
I don't want to spend 10$ (maybe 5, I only have 3 alts so it isn't much for me) on the upgrades as much as the next guy, but I understand why they're doing it.
another question and hopefully there is an answer pls this being said and done and we arnt going to loose too much (hopefully) what about the mk xii gear thats rep gained are these going to be upgraded into infinity (similar to the tractor beam mines?)
or are we to face the possibility of fighting re gain all the rep gear we have been grinding for each new lvl up to 60 and beyond to keep it lvl'd
(and on a personal note pls pls pls for the love of god make tovan keiv a reclaimable boff the same as a jem boff that way when the skill retrainer decides to smeg up my retraining and accidentally whifflebat tovan's rapid fire 3 to something i was attempting to get on another boff i can sort him out as this is impossible of current as he is both BOUND and UNDELETEABLE)
Good question! I'd bet we would have to pay for that too
I think the biggest thing now is the extra Boff skill on the new Tier 6 ships. This could potentially make T5U obsolete depending where they put it.
If it's just an extra Ensign seat that's fine probably won't make much different; but if they upgrade a Lt. Commander to Commander or Commander to Captain that may have huge problems in PvP especially.
The other thing is we have to wait what these new Boff skills will be...we're probably looking at either more Tactical skills or perhaps an extra hull heal...
This Boff could be the reason I don't upgrade my Oddy and just get the new ship.
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Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
if the cost of upgrading all your current and future t5 ships was a one off purchase of $5-$10 fine I could have taken that on the chin but to charge $5-$10 per ship is just a joke.
especially for anyone who has purchased a large bundle.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I'm not defending them, I'm defending their choice of action.
I don't want to spend 10$ (maybe 5, I only have 3 alts so it isn't much for me) on the upgrades as much as the next guy, but I understand why they're doing it.
I understand why they are doing it too. But they ate still wrong. Enough said.
They never said anything about an additional BOFF seat/slot...just an additional BOFF ability/power slot.
Course, they said absolutely nothing about what that means...which is damn infuriating, cause it could mean almost anything.
I mean, literally, they've given us nothing on that..meh. Will it be the same on all ships? Does it vary from ship to ship? Which rank is it? Etc, etc, etc...
I don't know what this Specialist Boff is, but I know I can't live without it.
But if they give you streight T6 ships, then how would they sell other T6 ships?
They would have to have something unique or no-one would buy them.
They're running a business here. They need to make money somehow
By your "logic", they should have never sold more than one T5 ship either since the second one would have made the first un-unique. And people kept buying T5 ships.
And that money nonsense again. It's obvious that a business wants to make money, but that just doesn't automagically mean that all ways to do so are good or reasonable. :rolleyes:
If we are going to have to pay to upgrade T5 ships to T5-U at 500 zen or whatever, would it be viable to make available a FULL upgrade for a T5 ship to T6 via the same process.
In other words like this -
T5 to T5-U = 500 zen
T5-U to T6 = 500 zen
T5 to T6 = 1,000 zen
This way gives complete options for upgrading AND it can be done gradually if necessary. People will still buy the new T6 ships, simply because they are new and have varying attributes, so I don't think you will lose out that way, but this covers all bases.
I can live with having to pay to upgrade my ship. Again. It was expected.
My fleet Galaxy X already represents a $45 investment. $15 for the venture skin, $25 to buy the C-Store ship, and another $5 for the fleet version. Not to mention lots of grinding for equipment, some of which I bought a little dilithium for just to speed things up. That is just one ship on one character. Obviously I don't mind spending a little money to get what I want.
But to shell out money for a ship that I've already paid for three times, just so I can still have a ship that's not as good? Potentially making this one ship a $50 to $55 ship, that's still second rate?
If we understand things correctly, it means there will be something, say, like a
Tactical Escort Retrofit Tier 5 Upgrade Version
FleetTactical escort Retrofit Tier 5 Upgrade Version
But the Tactical escort Refit could not be upgraded (of course, it's just an upgraded Tier 5 ship).
But what if you buy a Tier 5 Retrofit during your leveling career to 60, think "hey, I can upgrade it" on level 50, do so, and later realize: "Oops, now I've joined a fleet and I could have a Fleet Tactical escort Retrofit, but I would need to upgrade that seperately!"
Unless of course the Tier 5 Retrofit and the Fleet Tier 5 Retrofit upgrade to the same Tier 5 Upgrade/AlmostButNotCompletelyTier6 ship.
But what upgrades would you actually unlock if you unlock it on the non-Fleet Retrofit first? Would it only apply to the non-Fleet Version? Or also the Fleet Version?
Messy Messy Messy. (And think of all the data duplication they are doign there if there are really different subversions of these ships again... If I was a developer at Cryptic, I would try to create as much pressure as I possibly could to simply all of this, even if requires going head-to-head with the beancounters.)
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
I really like the Advanced Escort too. You will be able to upgrade both the Multi-Vector Advanced Escort and the Fleet Advanced Escort to T5-U for a to be determined cost.
Fleet ships are an improvements upon Tier 5 ships. T5-U Fleet ships are improved versions of T5-U ships. But, yes you will need to pay to upgrade each ship from T5 to T5-U. My advice would be to only upgrade the ship you plan on using.
But how many players actually will realize all these implications. Especially when you consider a new player that hasn't grown up and mastered the whole Tier 5 variations of ships already?
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
If we are going to have to pay to upgrade T5 ships to T5-U at 500 zen or whatever, would it be viable to make available a FULL upgrade for a T5 ship to T6 via the same process.
In other words like this -
T5 to T5-U = 500 zen
T5-U to T6 = 500 zen
T5 to T6 = 1,000 zen
This way gives complete options for upgrading AND it can be done gradually if necessary. People will still buy the new T6 ships, simply because they are new and have varying attributes, so I don't think you will lose out that way, but this covers all bases.
Mods?
Your idea makes sense minus one thing, we are still paying for what we have already paid for! Don't suggest other ways for them to nickel and dime us! Are you insane? Thoughts like those are what brought about this "solution" in the first place.
I do not mind paying Zen ($$) and supporting the game.
BUT...
I would like to upgrade my current ship to FULL T6. With ALL the bells and whistles of full T6. Doesn't matter if it costs as much as buying a new T6 ship to upgrade my "old" Tactical Odyssey.
I simply want to fly the ship *I* like without being forced into a different ship to get all the T6 features.
This, to me, seems reasonable.
Cryptic makes an income as many will want full T6 features...and we get to fly the ships we got attached to and enjoy flying.
Alright let me remind y'all to stay nice! Doing pretty well so far but I do detect some anger... This is understandable but it won't solve any of the problems mentioned.
On to more important matters! We have thoroughly discussed the Tier 5-U upgrade program which I think we all agree is much better than it could have been but still needs a few minor tweaks, namely that extra BOFF slot.
Now lets discuss MK XIV!
Analysis: Cryptic are introducing an entirely new mark of equipment and if they don't handle it properly they could cause mass rioting in the game. There are numerous factors to discuss but mostly this: After years of grinding to get high-end Reputation and Fleet Gear NOBODY wants to do that again. So I propose that ALL fleet, reputation and crafted gear is automatically upgraded to MK XIV. Other gear like the special weapons and equipment from lockboxes (ex. Elachi Crescent Weapons) can be upgraded to their equivalent MK XIII or MK XIV for a modest Dilithium fee. For people with TONS of gear like me a smaller dilithium cost per item would be very nice to have, maybe 2500 per qualifying equipment piece.
This will help solve/ prevent the mass inflation that will likely take place on the exchange and such when the gear becomes available, which in turn will allow for a quicker and smoother adjustment for the playerbase and Cryptic in general.
P.S. Obviously Fleet weapons should become Fleet MK XIV weapons etc. Which begs the question, what about current fleet ships? Will there be Tier 6 Fleet Ships? If not than fleet ships in general will become totally obsolete. This is fine by me as long as currently owned Fleet Ships are given free upgrades to Tier 5-U or Tier 6. It will take away an incentive to grind Starbases, but I am perfectly ok with less grinding.
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I do not mind paying Zen ($$) and supporting the game.
BUT...
I would like to upgrade my current ship to FULL T6. With ALL the bells and whistles of full T6. Doesn't matter if it costs as much as buying a new T6 ship to upgrade my "old" Tactical Odyssey.
I simply want to fly the ship *I* like without being forced into a different ship to get all the T6 features.
This, to me, seems reasonable.
Cryptic makes an income as many will want full T6 features...and we get to fly the ships we got attached to and enjoy flying.
I agree. They are making it way too complicated. They are creating three new tiers of ships, T5-U, T5-FU (:D) and T6.
Really not needed. And if everyone could use some of those exclusive T6 features, they could make more money on lockbox traits etc. (not to mention the ships).
I do not mind paying Zen ($$) and supporting the game.
BUT...
I would like to upgrade my current ship to FULL T6. With ALL the bells and whistles of full T6. Doesn't matter if it costs as much as buying a new T6 ship to upgrade my "old" Tactical Odyssey.
I simply want to fly the ship *I* like without being forced into a different ship to get all the T6 features.
This, to me, seems reasonable.
Cryptic makes an income as many will want full T6 features...and we get to fly the ships we got attached to and enjoy flying.
I agree, full T6 would be nice but I rather have 100% free T5-U than pay to upgrade. I like my ships. I paid for my ships. With x2 they are no longer worth the money I paid. And don't say you don't care if it costs as much as a new T6 ship because the rest of us do care and are tired of being screwed.
i agree.
its why i said 5 bucks(basically the cost of an fsm) + some dil.
the trouble with your method though is the unlock is account wide and the suggested cost was $5-10 to be determined. Your method was about $5 plus in game currency for the unlock so potentially more than what Cryptic was considering.
Your idea makes sense minus one thing, we are still paying for what we have already paid for! Don't suggest other ways for them to nickel and dime us! Are you insane? Thoughts like those are what brought about this "solution" in the first place.
I know where you're coming from, and I really don't like the idea of paying for upgrades for ships I've already bought either. :eek:
But, if they ARE going to make us pay, at least offer us more options, than what's been suggested so far. It just seems at the moment..... limited, to say the least. :rolleyes:
I know where you're coming from, and I really don't like the idea of paying for upgrades for ships I've already bought either. :eek:
But, if they ARE going to make us pay, at least offer us more options, than what's been suggested so far. It just seems at the moment..... limited, to say the least. :rolleyes:
Its funny. I bought my fleet galaxy x as well as the galaxy bundle the day before x2 was even announced. To say the least, I've been screwed and I have had it.
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The new t6 ships do have something unique - the new unlock able ship trait. Most people agree that's fine because that carries over to existing ships after you unlock it. What's not ok is this extra boff skill business that makes t6 clearly superior.
Personally though I think the line should be at 10 consoles, 12 boss skills and no further, we already have enough ability bloat as it is and the new ship system is incentive enough.
another question and hopefully there is an answer pls this being said and done and we arnt going to loose too much (hopefully) what about the mk xii gear thats rep gained are these going to be upgraded into infinity (similar to the tractor beam mines?)
or are we to face the possibility of fighting re gain all the rep gear we have been grinding for each new lvl up to 60 and beyond to keep it lvl'd
(and on a personal note pls pls pls for the love of god make tovan keiv a reclaimable boff the same as a jem boff that way when the skill retrainer decides to smeg up my retraining and accidentally whifflebat tovan's rapid fire 3 to something i was attempting to get on another boff i can sort him out as this is impossible of current as he is both BOUND and UNDELETEABLE)
I'm not defending them, I'm defending their choice of action.
I don't want to spend 10$ (maybe 5, I only have 3 alts so it isn't much for me) on the upgrades as much as the next guy, but I understand why they're doing it.
Holding players to ransom is not a smart move
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Good question! I'd bet we would have to pay for that too
If it's just an extra Ensign seat that's fine probably won't make much different; but if they upgrade a Lt. Commander to Commander or Commander to Captain that may have huge problems in PvP especially.
The other thing is we have to wait what these new Boff skills will be...we're probably looking at either more Tactical skills or perhaps an extra hull heal...
This Boff could be the reason I don't upgrade my Oddy and just get the new ship.
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That's great to hear, thanks.
especially for anyone who has purchased a large bundle.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I understand why they are doing it too. But they ate still wrong. Enough said.
Fleet Haakona Advanced Warbird? Just a different skin to make it a Ha'apax.
HAHA! Nice signature pic. That's a good representation of what's happening with x2
That's not so bad. Could be worse.
Just in case you want an official dev post on that:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18835641&postcount=618
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I don't know what this Specialist Boff is, but I know I can't live without it.
By your "logic", they should have never sold more than one T5 ship either since the second one would have made the first un-unique. And people kept buying T5 ships.
And that money nonsense again. It's obvious that a business wants to make money, but that just doesn't automagically mean that all ways to do so are good or reasonable. :rolleyes:
If we are going to have to pay to upgrade T5 ships to T5-U at 500 zen or whatever, would it be viable to make available a FULL upgrade for a T5 ship to T6 via the same process.
In other words like this -
T5 to T5-U = 500 zen
T5-U to T6 = 500 zen
T5 to T6 = 1,000 zen
This way gives complete options for upgrading AND it can be done gradually if necessary. People will still buy the new T6 ships, simply because they are new and have varying attributes, so I don't think you will lose out that way, but this covers all bases.
Mods?
My fleet Galaxy X already represents a $45 investment. $15 for the venture skin, $25 to buy the C-Store ship, and another $5 for the fleet version. Not to mention lots of grinding for equipment, some of which I bought a little dilithium for just to speed things up. That is just one ship on one character. Obviously I don't mind spending a little money to get what I want.
But to shell out money for a ship that I've already paid for three times, just so I can still have a ship that's not as good? Potentially making this one ship a $50 to $55 ship, that's still second rate?
I'm thinking I'll pass on this as it stands.
If we understand things correctly, it means there will be something, say, like a
Tactical Escort Retrofit Tier 5 Upgrade Version
FleetTactical escort Retrofit Tier 5 Upgrade Version
But the Tactical escort Refit could not be upgraded (of course, it's just an upgraded Tier 5 ship).
But what if you buy a Tier 5 Retrofit during your leveling career to 60, think "hey, I can upgrade it" on level 50, do so, and later realize: "Oops, now I've joined a fleet and I could have a Fleet Tactical escort Retrofit, but I would need to upgrade that seperately!"
Unless of course the Tier 5 Retrofit and the Fleet Tier 5 Retrofit upgrade to the same Tier 5 Upgrade/AlmostButNotCompletelyTier6 ship.
But what upgrades would you actually unlock if you unlock it on the non-Fleet Retrofit first? Would it only apply to the non-Fleet Version? Or also the Fleet Version?
Messy Messy Messy. (And think of all the data duplication they are doign there if there are really different subversions of these ships again... If I was a developer at Cryptic, I would try to create as much pressure as I possibly could to simply all of this, even if requires going head-to-head with the beancounters.)
Your idea makes sense minus one thing, we are still paying for what we have already paid for! Don't suggest other ways for them to nickel and dime us! Are you insane? Thoughts like those are what brought about this "solution" in the first place.
But well not a Problem, i will stay at t5 and don't use the new ships or upgrades.
Oh and of course i will enjoy the "Flames" of some players, because I do not own one of the new Ships or the upgraded one.
-free to play ships or my Old ships from the subscription time, for the win:
e.g. free Sovereign class and many more
The will work great in the new Content best ships in the world....
nobody needs upgrades you need only Skill......irony of
@Forum: do it as you pleased and have fun, i am off....to the Stars of tomorow
BUT...
I would like to upgrade my current ship to FULL T6. With ALL the bells and whistles of full T6. Doesn't matter if it costs as much as buying a new T6 ship to upgrade my "old" Tactical Odyssey.
I simply want to fly the ship *I* like without being forced into a different ship to get all the T6 features.
This, to me, seems reasonable.
Cryptic makes an income as many will want full T6 features...and we get to fly the ships we got attached to and enjoy flying.
On to more important matters! We have thoroughly discussed the Tier 5-U upgrade program which I think we all agree is much better than it could have been but still needs a few minor tweaks, namely that extra BOFF slot.
Now lets discuss MK XIV!
Analysis: Cryptic are introducing an entirely new mark of equipment and if they don't handle it properly they could cause mass rioting in the game. There are numerous factors to discuss but mostly this: After years of grinding to get high-end Reputation and Fleet Gear NOBODY wants to do that again. So I propose that ALL fleet, reputation and crafted gear is automatically upgraded to MK XIV. Other gear like the special weapons and equipment from lockboxes (ex. Elachi Crescent Weapons) can be upgraded to their equivalent MK XIII or MK XIV for a modest Dilithium fee. For people with TONS of gear like me a smaller dilithium cost per item would be very nice to have, maybe 2500 per qualifying equipment piece.
This will help solve/ prevent the mass inflation that will likely take place on the exchange and such when the gear becomes available, which in turn will allow for a quicker and smoother adjustment for the playerbase and Cryptic in general.
P.S. Obviously Fleet weapons should become Fleet MK XIV weapons etc. Which begs the question, what about current fleet ships? Will there be Tier 6 Fleet Ships? If not than fleet ships in general will become totally obsolete. This is fine by me as long as currently owned Fleet Ships are given free upgrades to Tier 5-U or Tier 6. It will take away an incentive to grind Starbases, but I am perfectly ok with less grinding.
Keltoi Class... fan design. You KNOW you want one In-game!
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I agree. They are making it way too complicated. They are creating three new tiers of ships, T5-U, T5-FU (:D) and T6.
Really not needed. And if everyone could use some of those exclusive T6 features, they could make more money on lockbox traits etc. (not to mention the ships).
I agree, full T6 would be nice but I rather have 100% free T5-U than pay to upgrade. I like my ships. I paid for my ships. With x2 they are no longer worth the money I paid. And don't say you don't care if it costs as much as a new T6 ship because the rest of us do care and are tired of being screwed.
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the trouble with your method though is the unlock is account wide and the suggested cost was $5-10 to be determined. Your method was about $5 plus in game currency for the unlock so potentially more than what Cryptic was considering.
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I know where you're coming from, and I really don't like the idea of paying for upgrades for ships I've already bought either. :eek:
But, if they ARE going to make us pay, at least offer us more options, than what's been suggested so far. It just seems at the moment..... limited, to say the least. :rolleyes:
Its funny. I bought my fleet galaxy x as well as the galaxy bundle the day before x2 was even announced. To say the least, I've been screwed and I have had it.