Actually IIRC the T6 ships are going to have 11 console slots, so even with a T5-U we will still be lacking an important console slot. Unless of course they keep doing things like having 5 engineering consoles which is pretty useless compared to field gens and tac consoles. I fear that greed has struck again and that this is just a "make do and mend" kind of attitude to T5 ships people have purchased off the C-Store. I myself have LOADS of ships and before people say that I didn't have to buy them, they're right but this game has had a chronic lack of content for so long that new ships WERE the only things keeping people interesting in he game. I believe Cryptic/Geko would be fools to try and push a flawed system like this on the very players which have been keeping this game afloat since it's botched inception and launch.
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You paid what, $60, for the 3 pack Galaxy set and the extra two fleet modules, enough to get 2x Gal-X at fleet (T5.5) level.
Day before DR, today, Day after DR's launch and the introduction of T6, your precious fleet Galaxy Xs are still T5.5, exactly what you paid for.
In theory, outside of PvP, said T5.5 will be "fully capable" of completing all "at release" DR content. It might start lagging when the T60 queues come out (that expect 5-Us or 6s), but you could do the classic "bring a T4 into STF" maneuver with your 5.5...
On the hopeful belief that Cryptic is willing to go lowball on the upgrade chips, and only charge 500 zen (ye olde BK-modified $5 bill), then to make those two ships T5U would cost you an additional $5... Remember, once you buy the upgrade kit for a given ship, it's like the "regular C store stuff" in that it applies to all versions of that ship on the account.
Did I mention that if you roll a new toon, you still have that T4 Galaxy Refit and the T5 Galaxy Retro or T5 Gal-X to use until you invest the additional $5 to fleetify it and, assuming you fleetify your Gal-X, it too goes straight to 5U?
Does double dipping suck? Yeah. Does "covering the difference" between the ship you have now and what it would cost for a new ship of the appropriate level not suck? Probably.
Which then switches this convo from "OMG, I'm being fleeced" to "Is T5U really 'competitive' with T6?" After reviewing the charts and follow up intel from our friendly Devs, maybe not...
Clarification came down that the 5th "mastery" slot is the one that assigns the trait. Therefore, true T6s can grant you the trait, T5Us can't. However, once you earn the trait, it can be applied to the T5U. And there will be (lockbox) traits that can go on T5Us without having to own a T6.
Clarification came down that T6s are counting the "+1 console" from the baseline L40 T5 versions with 9 consoles - so 9+1=10. Fleet ships already have the 10th console, and since the T5U process hands out another console, it will make them 11 console ships. The original chart confirms that T6s will accept the specialist BOffs with their hybrid powers, however, we are still in the dark as to whether universal seats are confirmed to accept the specialists with their funky powers. If so (as universal should mean universal), then on many T5s that particular difference is slightly glossed over... (Vesta can run a LtCmdr specialist, Recluse Cmdr special, and Gal-X an ensign...)
To me, the primary difference between a fleet-grade 10 console today T5U and a True T6 will be the 11th console vs the 13th BOff slot/power/ability/whatever you want to call it. The true measure of competitiveness will only be seen once we find out the full details of specialists, and even then, that 13th console could be worth more than that 13th slot, depending on exactly what level said slot is...
They should post this on the front page of Arc very good post. Considering more than half the people in this thread raged out before reading everything or jumping to conclusions this will get lost on the masses.
After having seen a lot of discussion regarding the T5 upgrade and especially whether the ships we're flying will remain as useful as they are now, I'd like to give my view on this discussion and the naivety I've seen so far.
Tier 5 ships won't remain as useful as they are. It is something not too many players seem aware of, but every time new gear is released, new traits become available or more powerful ships come into existence, the enemies in this game are improved as well.
Try doing the missions from more than one or two years ago without a warp core. Without special reputation traits. Without the newest Spire tactical consoles. You'll see that your ship will be far worse than before all these things were released. In sector space, you won't even pass warp 5 without a warp core, whereas you could easily break that barrier with impulse engines only before warp cores were here.
Or try doing a ground mission without the new kit frames that give bonuses to shields and weapon proficiency. Again, you'll find you're far less capable of doing these missions before these new kit frames were even available.
It is logical to assume that with the release of T6 ships, and their 'bells and whistles', tier 5 ships will become less able to do the missions we're all playing now. Since you can't make players more powerful and keep doing that without making the enemies more powerful.
The only solution to this would be to give T6 ships access to T6 content only. That way, players in ICE, Cure Elite and so on won't be much better and there won't be a need to improve the enemies. Otherwise, expect the enemies to become more powerful again in these missions, and expect to need a tier 6 ship in these missions if you don't want to be comparatively weaker than when you're fighting them now.
Edit: the same goes for mark 14 gear. You're going to need them in Infected and the Cure, if you want to remain as powerful as you are now with mk 12 gear.
Actually IIRC the T6 ships are going to have 11 console slots, so even with a T5-U we will still be lacking an important console slot.
No, tier 6 will only have 10 consoles, they stated that quite clearly earlier in the thread. Tier 6.5 will come soon and will have 11 though, tier 5-U is going to be 'competitive' for a year or so at most. Not worth paying to upgrade when you're going to rendered obsolete soon anyway.
Still waiting for them to tell us whether there will be a free rank up ship or not. I will be very annoyed if the only possible way to remain at all competitive at level 60 will be to pay out, either by upgrading to tier 5-U or by buying a c-store tier 6 ship.
You should not expect a corporation like Cryptic to move and alter decisions just after a day of feedback.
They need to listen to the feedback, evaluate it, and then consider what to do, and how to do it. They will not give you a new concept within a day. I would actually expect at least a week before you see any actual feedback on feedback.
That is not saying I am optimistic they will change anything. But crying of "ignored feedback" after a day is mostly unconstructive and not helping.
I expect within a day to say they are not doing this and go back to the drawing board. IF that delays DR launch so be it I say. yiou have life subs ticked off at craptic/PWE.
Devs have already said missions will not be scaled to Tier 6 so T5 ships will still be competitive. Maybe some elite STF's will benefit from a T6 ship but how many regular players do them anyway?
Devs have already said missions will not be scaled to Tier 6 so T5 ships will still be competitive. Maybe some elite STF's will benefit from a T6 ship but how many regular players do them anyway?
You paid what, $60, for the 3 pack Galaxy set and the extra two fleet modules, enough to get 2x Gal-X at fleet (T5.5) level.
Day before DR, today, Day after DR's launch and the introduction of T6, your precious fleet Galaxy Xs are still T5.5, exactly what you paid for.
In theory, outside of PvP, said T5.5 will be "fully capable" of completing all "at release" DR content. It might start lagging when the T60 queues come out (that expect 5-Us or 6s), but you could do the classic "bring a T4 into STF" maneuver with your 5.5...
On the hopeful belief that Cryptic is willing to go lowball on the upgrade chips, and only charge 500 zen (ye olde BK-modified $5 bill), then to make those two ships T5U would cost you an additional $5... Remember, once you buy the upgrade kit for a given ship, it's like the "regular C store stuff" in that it applies to all versions of that ship on the account.
Did I mention that if you roll a new toon, you still have that T4 Galaxy Refit and the T5 Galaxy Retro or T5 Gal-X to use until you invest the additional $5 to fleetify it and, assuming you fleetify your Gal-X, it too goes straight to 5U?
Does double dipping suck? Yeah. Does "covering the difference" between the ship you have now and what it would cost for a new ship of the appropriate level not suck? Probably.
Which then switches this convo from "OMG, I'm being fleeced" to "Is T5U really 'competitive' with T6?" After reviewing the charts and follow up intel from our friendly Devs, maybe not...
Clarification came down that the 5th "mastery" slot is the one that assigns the trait. Therefore, true T6s can grant you the trait, T5Us can't. However, once you earn the trait, it can be applied to the T5U. And there will be (lockbox) traits that can go on T5Us without having to own a T6.
Clarification came down that T6s are counting the "+1 console" from the baseline L40 T5 versions with 9 consoles - so 9+1=10. Fleet ships already have the 10th console, and since the T5U process hands out another console, it will make them 11 console ships. The original chart confirms that T6s will accept the specialist BOffs with their hybrid powers, however, we are still in the dark as to whether universal seats are confirmed to accept the specialists with their funky powers. If so (as universal should mean universal), then on many T5s that particular difference is slightly glossed over... (Vesta can run a LtCmdr specialist, Recluse Cmdr special, and Gal-X an ensign...)
To me, the primary difference between a fleet-grade 10 console today T5U and a True T6 will be the 11th console vs the 13th BOff slot/power/ability/whatever you want to call it. The true measure of competitiveness will only be seen once we find out the full details of specialists, and even then, that 13th console could be worth more than that 13th slot, depending on exactly what level said slot is...
Whatever the case may be, I'm not paying for what I already have paid for.
I'm amazed at how many people are suddenly concerned about being ultra-competitive in pvp. The queues would say otherwise. If you want to min-max every ounce of power out of a ship, you shouldn't care what it looks like. Use a T6. If you still want to fly a particular ship for looks purposes, you can without making the new content painful. What's the problem?
Devs have already said missions will not be scaled to Tier 6 so T5 ships will still be competitive. Maybe some elite STF's will benefit from a T6 ship but how many regular players do them anyway?
If they don't, and people can use T6 ships in missions that were made when everyone was flying T5 or T5.5 ships, then these missions will become even more easy than they're already are.
T6 ships should be banned imo from T5 or T5.5 content, or you're going to need to scale the missions, but scaling missions would require people to fly a tier 6 ship which will make t5 ships obsolete.
Can't really say I am happy about having to pay somethin to upgrade my ships but my romulan has the only C store ship worth upgrading and I don't play with that toon often so will most likly remove him.
But the free upgrade for lockbox ships does that include the mu ships
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After reading that post I feel like I just got kicked in the balls. I know its a money grab but I have at least 11 C-Store ships that I will need to spend 5-10 bucks each on if I want to upgrade them. If they keep releasing ships I have to spend money on and then spend more money on later then whats the point of collecting ships I like to play. I dont have enough cash to pump in just to keep playing the ships I like at their best possible level. Wonder how much it will cost for Tier 7 and 8 ships when they get around to it.
Personally I cannot even remember the last time I went into an elite STF. When I did get in one it was usually down to a mis-click or a specific run which was organised in the fleet as a farming event. Even now in the current Crystalline Entity event I have got first place on several toons which are in basic store ships using only rep gear (have no fleet gear at all) so the difference in power levels between the ships may not be as much as many people worry it is.
I really wouldnt worry about the future until it arrives so you can adapt to what is and not what you think it may be.
What really makes me mad is this statment in the announcment of
the last bug-promo:
With the release of Star Trek Online: Delta Rising, this starship [the Bug] (either from
this run of the promotion or from previous runs) will be upgradeable to Tier 6 starship
capabilities at no cost.
In our latest Dev blog, Phil Gorngonzolla Zeleski, Systems Lead share all the crucial details on upgrading your Tier 5 ship to be competitive in the Delta Quadrant and beyond!
I have been paying for this since day one... what really sucks, is no matter how long I have been on, I get no credit toward a lifetime account. I cannot afford $300 in one pop to go life time. I have een paying $15.00 a month for 4+ years the only credit I get is a pitiful 600 Zen. I buy keys, I get nothing from lockboxes. you treat original veteran's that have supported this like TRIBBLE. I'm ready to close my account. how sad.
now everything I have is going to be useless unless I fork over more? your a bunch of greedy TRIBBLE...
My guess is that all the T5.5 ships will get a refit (mainly Fleet level) to full T6 in a future update. But that doesn't address Lobi/lock box ships. IMHO, they should make the T5U free for all ships and if you want T6 you pay the difference between what T5 and T6 is in zen especially Lobi and Lock Box ships.
The problem like the OP said is that even with the upgrade, the ship is inferior to T6 just because of the additional BO slot and trait. Even if t is an Ensign Slot it still becomes a huge advantage once you factor in DoFFs.
I have been paying for this since day one... what really sucks, is no matter how long I have been on, I get no credit toward a lifetime account. I cannot afford $300 in one pop to go life time. I have een paying $15.00 a month for 4+ years the only credit I get is a pitiful 600 Zen. I buy keys, I get nothing from lockboxes. you treat original veteran's that have supported this like TRIBBLE. I'm ready to close my account. how sad.
now everything I have is going to be useless unless I fork over more? your a bunch of greedy TRIBBLE...
The sad thing is, people claim its justified because cryptic/PWE has to make money. Their aim is at new players which will more than compensate,in profit, whatever us vets have to pay to upgrade our stuff but will they care.... nope.
What really makes me mad is this statment in the announcment of
the last bug-promo:
With the release of Star Trek Online: Delta Rising, this starship [the Bug] (either from
this run of the promotion or from previous runs) will be upgradeable to Tier 6 starship
capabilities at no cost.
everything else is not worth a word.....
Isn't that true for all of the lockbox/lobi ships (minus mirror universe ships)?
I'm amazed at how many people are suddenly concerned about being ultra-competitive in pvp. The queues would say otherwise. If you want to min-max every ounce of power out of a ship, you shouldn't care what it looks like. Use a T6. If you still want to fly a particular ship for looks purposes, you can without making the new content painful. What's the problem?
People also like min/maxing their numbers in PvE. And considering that there are events that give you better rewards the better you do, there's incentive to have the best of the best in PvE as well.
Yes the t6 ships will most assuredly be "better" due to hitpoints and the additional boff slot,s however those will work out, but please let us have a REALITY CHECK here:
The Current elite content is no challenge for a fully geared characters no matter the ship (not talking sub endgame tier ships here obviously, though lets remember the elite stfs were done with t2 ships...).
100% agreed.
I'm currently building up a new character and, with all the uncertainty over DR gear and ships, have deliberately not spent much in the way of Dil / ECs / Zen. He's currently running a basic T5 ship, a random selection of green DOffs, Mk X blue gear, no traits... and he's still doing "elite" content quite happily (and actually placed 3rd in a CCE yesterday...)
So assuming there will be Mk XIII / XIV drops coming through, even an alt running a "free" T5 ship should be able to do most things.
Wow so many pages over this ship upgrade I am having a blast reading all lol.
As far as the upgrades go I am not bitter like some of you all and yes I spent time and money getting my ships right where I want them. With the release of x2 were getting the skill revamp and moving to level 60 I expect to get a t6 ship once I am level 60.
Again am I bitter about having to upgrade my current ship no I look at it like this if I buy a new computer and a day later a new version comes out will they give me a free upograde on mine no. If I buy a new car and a week later the new model comes out will g.m give me a free upgrade on my week old car lol no.....I know your thinking this is a game ok lets say I go see a movie and a day later part 2 comes out do you really think i'll get a discount on the ticket becouse I seen part one the other day lol no......
Common gang its called progress out with the old and in with the new atleast they are going to give you the chance to upgrade your ship and yes its going to cost could be worse they didnt have to offer an upgrade at all.
You should not expect a corporation like Cryptic to move and alter decisions just after a day of feedback.
They need to listen to the feedback, evaluate it, and then consider what to do, and how to do it. They will not give you a new concept within a day. I would actually expect at least a week before you see any actual feedback on feedback.
That is not saying I am optimistic they will change anything. But crying of "ignored feedback" after a day is mostly unconstructive and not helping.
Absolutely. Give them some time. If they can see a consistent theme in all this feedback and use it effectively to implement a few changes the so be it. But it won't be overnight. If it does happen, I don't think we'll know about at least for another three weeks.
I have been paying for this since day one... what really sucks, is no matter how long I have been on, I get no credit toward a lifetime account. I cannot afford $300 in one pop to go life time. I have een paying $15.00 a month for 4+ years the only credit I get is a pitiful 600 Zen. I buy keys, I get nothing from lockboxes. you treat original veteran's that have supported this like TRIBBLE. I'm ready to close my account. how sad.
now everything I have is going to be useless unless I fork over more? your a bunch of greedy TRIBBLE...
Consider yourself lucky in the sense that you weren't as stupid as I was to buy a lifetime sub. It's not worth it & I'm done paying these people anything just to continue grinding & getting shafted for all my previous grinding. It's easier & cheaper for cryptic/pwe to shaft vets like us & make room for new players who have nothing invested in this game. Really think it's time to either walk away or start a letter writing campaign to CBS in order to get them to pull the license out from under cryptic/pwe's feet.
What really makes me mad is this statment in the announcment of
the last bug-promo:
With the release of Star Trek Online: Delta Rising, this starship [the Bug] (either from
this run of the promotion or from previous runs) will be upgradeable to Tier 6 starship
capabilities at no cost.
everything else is not worth a word.....
Greetz Siegfried
All Lobi, Lockbox Ships (other then mirror ships), Reward ships and some limited time reward ships (like the Dyson ship) will have free upgrades.
As a lifetime subscriber from the very beginning and someone who has spent further hard cash on ships, I have carefully reviewed this proposed T6 and T5U upgrade plan.
In summary if this goes ahead as suggested I would feel right royally ripped off!
I have spent serious amounts of money (hundreds) just for Cryptic/PWE to double dip, triple dip and now quadruple dip (Subscription, then c-store ships, then Fleet modules now T5U and T6 ships!) into my pocket for yet more cash. I understand that it is a business and they need to make money but I feel I have paid enough already and feel the lifetime I subscription I bought, when the game first came out and was not free to play, is devalued every time they introduce new paid for content.
The perks you get with a lifetime subscription are now hardly worth it, a monthly stipend that might cover the cost to upgrade one of your ships to an obsolete T5U ship. The ship you get, the Chimera that has already had one paid for fleet upgrade, now needing another upgrade, albeit a pointless one compared to Tier 6. All the other stuff, costumes, access to the Captains table, A couple of titles are completely inconsequential if every time I play PvP in anything less than a tier 6 ship, am going to get my TRIBBLE handed to me! In PVE rewards will also be the privilege of the Tier 6 mob also, with everyone else taking part just being filler.
I have already paid hundreds for this game and feel that in order to be fair, to people like myself who have dished out for lifetime subscriptions already I suggest the following:
1: T5U upgrades should be free for lifetime/gold subscribers.
2: Good will gesture of increased stipend to 1000 zen for one month for lifetime/gold subscribers to assist in them obtaining tier 6 ships.
I rarely contribute to these forums but I feel strongly about this, so much so that if there is not more compromise from Cryptic/PWE I would walk away.
You've made enough money out of me, give me a break! :mad:
Wow so many pages over this ship upgrade I am having a blast reading all lol.
As far as the upgrades go I am not bitter like some of you all and yes I spent time and money getting my ships right where I want them. With the release of x2 were getting the skill revamp and moving to level 60 I expect to get a t6 ship once I am level 60.
Again am I bitter about having to upgrade my current ship no I look at it like this if I buy a new computer and a day later a new version comes out will they give me a free upograde on mine no. If I buy a new car and a week later the new model comes out will g.m give me a free upgrade on my week old car lol no.....I know your thinking this is a game ok lets say I go see a movie and a day later part 2 comes out do you really think i'll get a discount on the ticket becouse I seen part one the other day lol no......
Common gang its called progress out with the old and in with the new atleast they are going to give you the chance to upgrade your ship and yes its going to cost could be worse they didnt have to offer an upgrade at all.
This is virtual reality NOT reality. My Fleet Elite Dual heavy cannons are just as good as when I got them. There's no wear and tear on them, they do not age. They don't depreciate like a car.
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They should post this on the front page of Arc very good post. Considering more than half the people in this thread raged out before reading everything or jumping to conclusions this will get lost on the masses.
Tier 5 ships won't remain as useful as they are. It is something not too many players seem aware of, but every time new gear is released, new traits become available or more powerful ships come into existence, the enemies in this game are improved as well.
Try doing the missions from more than one or two years ago without a warp core. Without special reputation traits. Without the newest Spire tactical consoles. You'll see that your ship will be far worse than before all these things were released. In sector space, you won't even pass warp 5 without a warp core, whereas you could easily break that barrier with impulse engines only before warp cores were here.
Or try doing a ground mission without the new kit frames that give bonuses to shields and weapon proficiency. Again, you'll find you're far less capable of doing these missions before these new kit frames were even available.
It is logical to assume that with the release of T6 ships, and their 'bells and whistles', tier 5 ships will become less able to do the missions we're all playing now. Since you can't make players more powerful and keep doing that without making the enemies more powerful.
The only solution to this would be to give T6 ships access to T6 content only. That way, players in ICE, Cure Elite and so on won't be much better and there won't be a need to improve the enemies. Otherwise, expect the enemies to become more powerful again in these missions, and expect to need a tier 6 ship in these missions if you don't want to be comparatively weaker than when you're fighting them now.
Edit: the same goes for mark 14 gear. You're going to need them in Infected and the Cure, if you want to remain as powerful as you are now with mk 12 gear.
Still waiting for them to tell us whether there will be a free rank up ship or not. I will be very annoyed if the only possible way to remain at all competitive at level 60 will be to pay out, either by upgrading to tier 5-U or by buying a c-store tier 6 ship.
I expect within a day to say they are not doing this and go back to the drawing board. IF that delays DR launch so be it I say. yiou have life subs ticked off at craptic/PWE.
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
All of them ?
If they don't, and people can use T6 ships in missions that were made when everyone was flying T5 or T5.5 ships, then these missions will become even more easy than they're already are.
T6 ships should be banned imo from T5 or T5.5 content, or you're going to need to scale the missions, but scaling missions would require people to fly a tier 6 ship which will make t5 ships obsolete.
But the free upgrade for lockbox ships does that include the mu ships
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I really wouldnt worry about the future until it arrives so you can adapt to what is and not what you think it may be.
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
What really makes me mad is this statment in the announcment of
the last bug-promo:
With the release of Star Trek Online: Delta Rising, this starship [the Bug] (either from
this run of the promotion or from previous runs) will be upgradeable to Tier 6 starship
capabilities at no cost.
everything else is not worth a word.....
Greetz Siegfried
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
I have been paying for this since day one... what really sucks, is no matter how long I have been on, I get no credit toward a lifetime account. I cannot afford $300 in one pop to go life time. I have een paying $15.00 a month for 4+ years the only credit I get is a pitiful 600 Zen. I buy keys, I get nothing from lockboxes. you treat original veteran's that have supported this like TRIBBLE. I'm ready to close my account. how sad.
now everything I have is going to be useless unless I fork over more? your a bunch of greedy TRIBBLE...
The problem like the OP said is that even with the upgrade, the ship is inferior to T6 just because of the additional BO slot and trait. Even if t is an Ensign Slot it still becomes a huge advantage once you factor in DoFFs.
No its not, rockstar hasn't given an official release date.
The sad thing is, people claim its justified because cryptic/PWE has to make money. Their aim is at new players which will more than compensate,in profit, whatever us vets have to pay to upgrade our stuff but will they care.... nope.
Isn't that true for all of the lockbox/lobi ships (minus mirror universe ships)?
100% agreed.
I'm currently building up a new character and, with all the uncertainty over DR gear and ships, have deliberately not spent much in the way of Dil / ECs / Zen. He's currently running a basic T5 ship, a random selection of green DOffs, Mk X blue gear, no traits... and he's still doing "elite" content quite happily (and actually placed 3rd in a CCE yesterday...)
So assuming there will be Mk XIII / XIV drops coming through, even an alt running a "free" T5 ship should be able to do most things.
As far as the upgrades go I am not bitter like some of you all and yes I spent time and money getting my ships right where I want them. With the release of x2 were getting the skill revamp and moving to level 60 I expect to get a t6 ship once I am level 60.
Again am I bitter about having to upgrade my current ship no I look at it like this if I buy a new computer and a day later a new version comes out will they give me a free upograde on mine no. If I buy a new car and a week later the new model comes out will g.m give me a free upgrade on my week old car lol no.....I know your thinking this is a game ok lets say I go see a movie and a day later part 2 comes out do you really think i'll get a discount on the ticket becouse I seen part one the other day lol no......
Common gang its called progress out with the old and in with the new atleast they are going to give you the chance to upgrade your ship and yes its going to cost could be worse they didnt have to offer an upgrade at all.
Absolutely. Give them some time. If they can see a consistent theme in all this feedback and use it effectively to implement a few changes the so be it. But it won't be overnight. If it does happen, I don't think we'll know about at least for another three weeks.
Consider yourself lucky in the sense that you weren't as stupid as I was to buy a lifetime sub. It's not worth it & I'm done paying these people anything just to continue grinding & getting shafted for all my previous grinding. It's easier & cheaper for cryptic/pwe to shaft vets like us & make room for new players who have nothing invested in this game. Really think it's time to either walk away or start a letter writing campaign to CBS in order to get them to pull the license out from under cryptic/pwe's feet.
All Lobi, Lockbox Ships (other then mirror ships), Reward ships and some limited time reward ships (like the Dyson ship) will have free upgrades.
In summary if this goes ahead as suggested I would feel right royally ripped off!
I have spent serious amounts of money (hundreds) just for Cryptic/PWE to double dip, triple dip and now quadruple dip (Subscription, then c-store ships, then Fleet modules now T5U and T6 ships!) into my pocket for yet more cash. I understand that it is a business and they need to make money but I feel I have paid enough already and feel the lifetime I subscription I bought, when the game first came out and was not free to play, is devalued every time they introduce new paid for content.
The perks you get with a lifetime subscription are now hardly worth it, a monthly stipend that might cover the cost to upgrade one of your ships to an obsolete T5U ship. The ship you get, the Chimera that has already had one paid for fleet upgrade, now needing another upgrade, albeit a pointless one compared to Tier 6. All the other stuff, costumes, access to the Captains table, A couple of titles are completely inconsequential if every time I play PvP in anything less than a tier 6 ship, am going to get my TRIBBLE handed to me! In PVE rewards will also be the privilege of the Tier 6 mob also, with everyone else taking part just being filler.
I have already paid hundreds for this game and feel that in order to be fair, to people like myself who have dished out for lifetime subscriptions already I suggest the following:
1: T5U upgrades should be free for lifetime/gold subscribers.
2: Good will gesture of increased stipend to 1000 zen for one month for lifetime/gold subscribers to assist in them obtaining tier 6 ships.
I rarely contribute to these forums but I feel strongly about this, so much so that if there is not more compromise from Cryptic/PWE I would walk away.
You've made enough money out of me, give me a break! :mad:
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Whoopti Doo......There are ALOT of ships that get free upgrades......What about the ships we ALREADY PAID FOR?!?!