There are legitimate thoughts to be given here about the T5Us. I'll reiterate that I think they need the 13th boff ability to truly reach any semblance of competitiveness with the T6 ships.
That said, it's harder to make this case when we yell and scream at each other.
I really do not think Cryptic would ever consider giving the Secret BO to T5U ships.
That's their main attraction for T6 ships, the main point for people to buy the new T6 ships, so I really doubt they'll give them out as upgrades.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I think one has to have a sane and rational mind in order to be out of it...but I concur. Seriously cryptic/perfect world...are you out of your ****ing minds? I'll say it...I don't care if you ban me from your pathetic little forum. I'm saying my peace!! I've already put thousands of hours into my 26 level 50 toons, at least 1500 dollars in real world money and have grinded beyond reason to make all of them competitive and my reward is that at least 16 of my Captains now have to pay even more real world money in order to keep them mostly competitive. Seriously Cryptic...**** off!! And to the whiny fan boys defenders who will feel the need to quote me and tell me a thing or two **** you too. I won't waste my time debating you and it won't matter because I'll be banned anyway You may enjoy being bent over without Cryptic/Perfect World handing you any lube but the vast majority of us do not.
There are legitimate thoughts to be given here about the T5Us. I'll reiterate that I think they need the 13th boff ability to truly reach any semblance of competitiveness with the T6 ships.
That said, it's harder to make this case when we yell and scream at each other.
The only difference between T6 and T5-U is that 13th boff and the apparently "super-OP Ubertrait."
I'm OK with the price, but I think the difference between T5-U and T6 is too great. I'd like to see T5-U get one of the three things it currently isn't slated to get: the trait (after all, it can be slotted anyway if learned with another ship), the specialist seat, or the extra boff ability. That, I think, would be enough to make the difference feel like a perk; as it stands, the difference feels really significant.
I'm not a lifer. two guys in my fleet are. and ther issue is paying for another fleet module worth in zen for in the end a ship that will still pale in comapriosn to a T6 ship. a t 6 ship not many like. basically our fleet and T 5 ships are like T 3 ships and can uprade to a free T4 ship but no match for a 5.5 ship. so we wasted all our money on ships that are now rendered obsolete after working for weeks, sometimes YEARS on them.
"Pale in comparison to" seems to be a bit excessive, especially considering how ridiculously easy STO's PvE is. The difference is, what, a console slot and a couple gimmicks? It's like a standard (oh yes i bring *that* word up again) 9 console mirror/level 40 ship Vs a 10 console Fleet ship.
People have routinely completed STFs in T1 & T2 ships, and I recall people discussing/bragging about completing STFs in shuttles before Cryptic did away with that. I seriously doubt Cryptic is going to make level 60 content that so difficult your 17k Deeps T5 ship is unable to do it.
Oh, and guise, I'm pretty sure spewing profanities at Cryptic's devs will definitely make them listen to you. ~nods~
There are legitimate thoughts to be given here about the T5Us. I'll reiterate that I think they need the 13th boff ability to truly reach any semblance of competitiveness with the T6 ships.
That said, it's harder to make this case when we yell and scream at each other.
dude they deserve every bit of the flames they are getting. T6 ship designs are bad for the feds though one of them looks like a mod created ship for Legacy. possible sue there if they didn't ask the guy who made it. and again in my fleet two lifers that have been with the game since day one and now all of their key ships are now useless. Craptic and PWE have ignore us for far too long. They have sowed the flame, now they reap the firestorm.
In the latest DEV post about upgrading Tier 5 ships, Cryptic mentioned player feedback would influence how the system was implemented.
It's a nice gesture but Cryptic has stated time and time again that they don't listen to the forums or the players. That was likely just put there as a courtesy.
The main reason, even if you like other ships, would be the ability to grind out the Traits, much like we currently use T1-4 ships for their consoles and ship costume unlocks. Clever, really, but as for the rest I took their little comparison table and added it to my signature
There hasn't been any information yet, though, on what those unlocked traits will be - and - if that will be the only way to get those traits, since Geko already replied that those won't be the only traits and only way to get traits.
Don't get me wrong, I figure that the blogs next week will definitely give folks the opportunity to rage...but the guy I replied to told the other guy to go read the blogs - as if the blogs supported anything he was saying.
"Pale in comparison to" seems to be a bit excessive, especially considering how ridiculously easy STO's PvE is. The difference is, what, a console slot and a couple gimmicks? It's like a standard (oh yes i bring *that* word up again) 9 console mirror/level 40 ship Vs a 10 console Fleet ship.
People have routinely completed STFs in T1 & T2 ships, and I recall people discussing/bragging about completing STFs in shuttles before Cryptic did away with that. I seriously doubt Cryptic is going to make level 60 content that so difficult your 17k Deeps T5 ship is unable to do it.
not just PVE man. PVP will be affected to. we were just getting into thinking of doing so when this came around. and then the new mission coming with DR. yeah. my fleets 2 lifers went over their ships. only their vet ship is getting a free upgrade the rest arn't getting an upgrade at all or it would cost probably 2000 zen or more to upgrade them all and they won't even match a T 6
As stated in the blog, you in fact DO receive the traits for the first four levels. While you are in your T5U, you recieve the bonuses unlocked in that ship. So four passives, just like the T6. The difference is the T6 has one more level to unlock. Once that is completed, you now have a slotable (only four slots to fill) trait, which is carried to any ship you pilot. So jump back in your T5U and voila, you've got yer T6 level 5 trait!
So if that's your main reason, I guess you'll need to decide if you like the looks of the ship before you buy it
Upon reaching Starship Mastery level 5 a Starship Trait will be unlocked. This special trait can be slotted into any of your four Starship Trait slots. This is a new set of trait slots that will be available to all characters upon achieving level 50. These special traits add powerful effects to your starship or your existing captain and bridge officer abilities. Since Starship Traits can be slotted, they can be used while flying any starship you own even if they are not Tier 6.
...that go in our captains' 4 Starship Trait slots, rather than the Starship Passive Abilities...
Another interesting aspect of Tier 6 ships is the new Starship Mastery system. This system represents your captain and crew mastering the starship and discovering its full capabilities over time. All Tier 6 ships have the ability to become more powerful as the captain gains Skill Points. This allows the starship to effectively “Level Up”.
Tier 6 starships start at level 0 and progress to level 5 as the captain plays the game normally. At each level (up to level 4), the starship gains a new passive ability that provides a sizeable boost to a stat like damage resistance, critical hit chance, or hit points. These passive abilities are specific to the ship that has unlocked them and each starship within a given category shares the same package of passive abilities.
Example: All Battlecruisers have the same four passive abilities in their Starship Mastery.
...that unlock at Starship Mastery levels 1-4.
Which, now that you mention it, makes me wonder if all three factions will actually get the 4 T6 ships needed to unlock enough Starship Traits to fill those 4 slots. Hmph.
There hasn't been any information yet, though, on what those unlocked traits will be - and - if that will be the only way to get those traits, since Geko already replied that those won't be the only traits and only way to get traits.
Don't get me wrong, I figure that the blogs next week will definitely give folks the opportunity to rage...but the guy I replied to told the other guy to go read the blogs - as if the blogs supported anything he was saying.
Well, that helps with my concerns about that last bit. Hopefully there really are other means of getting Starship Traits, or the other two factions are probably going to feel a bit put out. We'll just have to wait and see.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
My apologies for that...the other person in the thread, er, for some reason whenever I read their posts - the brain doesn't quite work right. There are folks I absolutely despise on the forums, that my brain still works if I happen to read something they say...this other person, meh - brain just shuts down. So my apology for that.
The only difference between T6 and T5-U is that 13th boff and the apparently "super-OP Ubertrait."
To be clear, it's not a Boff. It's an ability slot. And an undetermined rank one at that. it could be simply an upgrade from en to lt. Not game breaking, since the pool of abilities is not expanding.
But it is still an upgrade, I agree. However, going from T4 to T5 you gained an ability slot, yes? It came at a cost, since T5 ships are not usually free.
The trait, as I've repeatedly said, can be carried over to your T5 ship or T1 connie even. Much like a universal console. But had they continued adding consoles, and left the ships with the same number of slots....
It's more valid than you are giving the OP credit for. Right now people can buy inferior ships. T1, T2, T3 and T4 ships.
And as you can see the sales figures for those are low. Even with the consoles that they come with, they sell less than the latest greatest more powerful new top tier ships.
So the OP makes a valid point. You'll see it in action with the release of more and more T6 ships.
For me it's had a full on impact. I feel the model is too cash intensive for me. I'm gone. I feel like I wasted money on the game, because of how this is being done. But I'm in the minority. For the majority though, you're going to see a dip in sales of the T5 ships and fleet modules.
Oh please let this happen. I wouldn't mind a drop of FSM prices. Ferasan wants a Fleet B'rel.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
Do we know what tier the new ship released tomorrow will be?
I know there has been a lot of speculation that it may be a Constellation class, But I'm hoping it may be an early version of a tier ship, just so we can play around and see if the differences will be that noticeable between them, and T5-u.
Also, I do agree ,that at the very least, even an extra Uni Ensign slot would go a long ways with the upgrade route. Prob. to late to implement, but you did mention you was looking for feedback.
My mother always told me to walk away from a fight, The Marines taught me how.
Just a point of note for expansion on my previous post, what I meant by thinking competitively was that there's a PvP mindset out there with regards to a higher tiered ship coming out. In terms of PvP standards, Tier 5-U ships will not be able to match up to Tier 6 ships. When you factor Reputation traits, and Reputation gear, plus the extra abilities a tier 6 ship gains, tier 6 ships will still have an edge.
We actually already have a problem right now in terms of a fresh level 50 player w/ no reps vs. someone w/ full rep traits and gear. The player without rep gear tends to be outclassed. Outside of PvP, the players that have top level gear are complaining that they have no challenge in PvE stuff since they largely outclass the NPC ships that they are facing. I anticipate when Delta Rising releases, that there will be at least 2 groups of people out there. One whom will simply upgrade their ships to be near on par to tier 6 ships while keeping the ship they want to fly now, and the other will jump to tier 6 in order to stay the top dogs.
just my 2 slips of Latinum on what I think will happen in October.
To be clear, it's not a Boff. It's an ability slot. And an undetermined rank one at that. it could be simply an upgrade from en to lt. Not game breaking, since the pool of abilities is not expanding.
But it is still an upgrade, I agree. However, going from T4 to T5 you gained an ability slot, yes? It came at a cost, since T5 ships are not usually free.
The trait, as I've repeatedly said, can be carried over to your T5 ship or T1 connie even. Much like a universal console. But had they continued adding consoles, and left the ships with the same number of slots....
I think the Tier 6 ships will be able to slot a special type of (Secret) Bridge officer. I'm calling it secret, because I don't want to upset the moderators.
That is what makes Tier 6 ships really desirable.
Though a new point is raised. If each ship type unlocks a trait, that means at least 9 tier 6 ships on release, 1cruiser-1escort-1science vessel for all 3 factions.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I feel ok with the current information give or take a few things. So i will share what i think on those things:
1. i am ok with a zen cost. i think this is a good move to help make more money. Which in turn will help make a better game.
2. Although i am ok with upgrades being a zen cost i feel fleet ships are getting a second price tag on them. if we buy a zen ship we can upgrade it to a T5U ship for a small fee or we can upgrade it to a fleet ship then pay again to upgrade it to a Fleet T5U ship. I'm not saying they should be free but maybe consider having them at a discount compared to a non-fleet ship. (this is assuming fleet ship upgrades will be seperate from there zen store counter ship. i hope they are not but if they are...)
3. price. 500 zen or $5 sounds reasonable to me. any higher and, although i will still buy upgrades for some ships, i think a lot of people will be drawn away from this system. As mentioned in number two fleet ships could be at 300 or 250 zen, I don't really care i just hope they get a smaller price tag for upgrades.
4. FREE UPGRADES! lobi, lock box, event, and special package ships. seeing this was wonderful. great job to everyone. (and with the discount reputation ship system for getting ships on alternate characters this was a big win to me)
5. I have to agree with the OP about the bridge officer stations. i think this will make a much bigger impact in the game then some are thinking. However increasing the rank on a station might be an alternative to adding another station. Again, this isn't something that is going to stop me from getting a ship or two (or five) upgraded but it might be something to consider.
6. weapon slots. I'm not sure how many other people are also wanting or thinking about this but i think with a new tier of ship there should be ships with nine weapon slots. I'm not saying T5U ships should get them but maybe T6 ships should (and to be honest when we where told about the scimitar and it being the first 5 fore weapon slot ship would prove that the engine can handle more then a 4x4 ship, it proved nothing. it still has a total of eight weapons, so if nine weapons actually is limited by the engine then it is understandable)
7. looks. More of a question that is to be answered later i guess, but will ships that can be upgraded get anything changed in how they look? Maybe a new material skin and/or a new window option?
That's all i can think of for now. i will post more here if i think of anything else. Hope this helps you devs and i wish everyone else playing a happy gametime.
Upgrading is not only common to MMOs, not only common to video games, but is common in general...it's almost everywhere in life.
Two years tends to be the standard timeframe in many MMOs. Two years ago, Cryptic introduced the Fleet ships...which were a paid upgrade, right? Two years later, they've introduced another. It's not much different than what you see in most MMOs out there. Things get upgraded and there is a cost involved.
Say you're looking at a subscription game...you spend two years grinding up stuff, paying $15 a month for those two years. That's $360 from subscription costs alone. Then you add in a $50-60 expansion you have to buy. Then two years later...tada...you do it again.
And again, two years ago we got the Fleet ships as well as the influx of Lock Box/Lobi ships started.
You're a LTS...awesome...guess what, though? You're getting what you paid for. Depending on how long you've been a LTS, Cryptic is even losing money on you. It doesn't change that with expansions/upgrades that there are going to be new costs.
Hell, Cryptic's doing more than what many companies do to try to ease that transition for the expansion. Many companies leave you high and dry or have major costs involved.
Paying for an upgrade that makes your old stuff equal to new stuff is one thing, paying to have your old stuff not quite equal to new stuff is something else altogether. If I have to pay to get my lockbox or fleet ships on T6 level, fine. Having to pay to end up with something that is still inferior, why should I even bother? The stuff I have is outdone, I don't see any point in paying to be slightlly less outdone.
Your mentioning of Fleet ships is a good example of what I meant, I didn't mind paying for Fleet ships, since they where fully equivalent to all other fleet ships (minus the Norgh..). However, I did not have to pay for an upgrade to my C-Store ships that ended up being not really Fleet level.
I am a little bit confused by the next part of your post though, you're acting like every other MMO with a subscription model out there has paid expansions, which is simply not true. Yes there are MMO's with paid expansions, and there are MMO's with just a subscription fee as well. I don't really see how you can just disregard the fact that he is LTS by claiming he would have been paying for an expansion anyway. Then you go on mentioning that some other company's do worse, which is true. Other companies do better, say Guild Wars 2. That is all rather irrelevant though, I'm dealing with this company and not one that does better or worse, so it's neither here nor there what other companies do.
To be clear, I do not mind paying for an expansion, nor for an upgrade. I mind paying for an upgrade that leaves me where I was before the upgrade, namely less good then full tier 6. If you think differently about that that's fine and your right, but don't shove me aside as feeling "entitled" because I expect to get my moneys worth out of an upgrade. Hell, if the upgrade to full T6 would be 10$-15$ instead of 5$-10$, fine.
Back to the thread in general, I see a lot of F2P Stockholm syndrome in this thread, which is hardly surprising. I don't really care anymore, all good things come to an end, this just makes it easier to step away from it all. It's been fun while it lasted, although no season ever was more then season 6 for me, it's been a (mostly) good ride till now.
I wish all those who are still enjoying themselves a blast with the next expansion, have fun!
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
The only difference between T6 and T5-U is that 13th boff and the apparently "super-OP Ubertrait."
T5-U11 (cause it's important to keep in mind there are both T5-U10s and T5-U11s)...
+1 console
+10% hull
+10% shields
T6...
+1 unknown ranked BOFF ability (could be Lt, LCdr, or maybe even Cmdr - we don't know yet).
Hybrid BOFF seat (conflict with standard BOFF abilities in having to select those or Specialist BOFF abilities).
Ability to unlock a Starship Trait (a trait that can be used on a T5-U ship after being unlocked) that we have no information on.
not just PVE man. PVP will be affected to. we were just getting into thinking of doing so when this came around. and then the new mission coming with DR. yeah. my fleets 2 lifers went over their ships. only their vet ship is getting a free upgrade the rest arn't getting an upgrade at all or it would cost probably 2000 zen or more to upgrade them all and they won't even match a T 6
I never mentioned PvP at all, you may realize.
Yeah I guess you'll be left in the dust with PvP. Didn't one of the devs specify that the T5U ships will actually have a superior layout in exchange for losing out the gimmick? Better modifiers, another console slot?
Considering you/they have the Vet ships, which have been confirmed to be getting upgraded... why not just use the Vet ships for PvP?
Just a point of note for expansion on my previous post, what I meant by thinking competitively was that there's a PvP mindset out there with regards to a higher tiered ship coming out. In terms of PvP standards, Tier 5-U ships will not be able to match up to Tier 6 ships. When you factor Reputation traits, and Reputation gear, plus the extra abilities a tier 6 ship gains, tier 6 ships will still have an edge.
We actually already have a problem right now in terms of a fresh level 50 player w/ no reps vs. someone w/ full rep traits and gear. The player without rep gear tends to be outclassed. Outside of PvP, the players that have top level gear are complaining that they have no challenge in PvE stuff since they largely outclass the NPC ships that they are facing. I anticipate when Delta Rising releases, that there will be at least 2 groups of people out there. One whom will simply upgrade their ships to be near on par to tier 6 ships while keeping the ship they want to fly now, and the other will jump to tier 6 in order to stay the top dogs.
just my 2 slips of Latinum on what I think will happen in October.
or people quit all together. even now we are seeing a drop in people playing in comparison to just yesterday. this idea is already having an effect. A NEGATIVE ONE.
...that go in our captains' 4 Starship Trait slots, rather than the Starship Passive Abilities...
...that unlock at Starship Mastery levels 1-4.
Which, now that you mention it, makes me wonder if all three factions will actually get the 4 T6 ships needed to unlock enough Starship Traits to fill those 4 slots. Hmph.
Well, that helps with my concerns about that last bit. Hopefully there really are other means of getting Starship Traits, or the other two factions are probably going to feel a but put out. We'll just have to wait and see.
The "Excitement around Delta Rising" blogpost said:
Developing starships takes a lot of dev effort, so Delta Rising is going to include between 7 and 10 new Tier 6 ships at launch, spanning all three factions.
Doing the math, I'd doubt there'll be enough to fill the four slots.
Y'know, all the people complaining about having to pay a little more ZEN to upgrade their ships are kinda pissing me off. You paid for a T5 ship with the advertised capabilities. You got exactly what you paid for. Now Cryptic is offering a chance to give your ship additional capabilities BEYOND WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY PAID FOR, and you're complaining that they want you to pay for those new abilities. Talk about entitled. You get what you pay for, period. And this is coming from an F2P player who's sunk over $300 into various ships for all three factions and is perfectly willing to shell out a few bucks to get the additional parts. What you guys are doing is roughly equivalent to buying a new car, then taking it back when the next model year is released and demanding that the dealership give you the new one for free, or just throw in a bunch of extras you never paid for like satellite radio and heated seats.
And people like you TRIBBLE me off thinking that $5 is a drop of a bucket!
Because I for one am NOT happy, in having to spend OVER THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO UPGRADE EVERY SHIP I OWN FOR EVERY CHARACTER I PLAY! Even if I GRINDED it out, it would take me 3 years of grinding to pay for it!
And equating this to a USED CAR? Dude, you are not trading it in..............you're blinging it. /facepalm
EDIT: For those who think I'm exaggerating:
Tier 5 Upgrades = 500 to 1000 zen
Fleet Modules = 500 Zen
Multiply this by the number of C-store ships you own.
Multiply this for every character you own that, minus the ships that already been upgraded by the previous character
Do this for every family member.
So am I still exaggerating? If you think so, then my thrusters in your direction.
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I really do not think Cryptic would ever consider giving the Secret BO to T5U ships.
That's their main attraction for T6 ships, the main point for people to buy the new T6 ships, so I really doubt they'll give them out as upgrades.
@cassandratruth your 300 isn't anything to them.
The only difference between T6 and T5-U is that 13th boff and the apparently "super-OP Ubertrait."
"Pale in comparison to" seems to be a bit excessive, especially considering how ridiculously easy STO's PvE is. The difference is, what, a console slot and a couple gimmicks? It's like a standard (oh yes i bring *that* word up again) 9 console mirror/level 40 ship Vs a 10 console Fleet ship.
People have routinely completed STFs in T1 & T2 ships, and I recall people discussing/bragging about completing STFs in shuttles before Cryptic did away with that. I seriously doubt Cryptic is going to make level 60 content that so difficult your 17k Deeps T5 ship is unable to do it.
Oh, and guise, I'm pretty sure spewing profanities at Cryptic's devs will definitely make them listen to you. ~nods~
dude they deserve every bit of the flames they are getting. T6 ship designs are bad for the feds though one of them looks like a mod created ship for Legacy. possible sue there if they didn't ask the guy who made it. and again in my fleet two lifers that have been with the game since day one and now all of their key ships are now useless. Craptic and PWE have ignore us for far too long. They have sowed the flame, now they reap the firestorm.
Remember, Tier 6 ships will have access to a new type of Bridge officer, a very cool, versatile and powerful new type of Bridge Officers.
That alone will put them way above T5 or T5U ships.
1. Acquire dilithium "in-game"
2. Dil -> Zen
3. ????
4. Profit
It's a nice gesture but Cryptic has stated time and time again that they don't listen to the forums or the players. That was likely just put there as a courtesy.
THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE WRONG!!!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18179651&postcount=1
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18180891&postcount=7
Anyways I'm not too upset either, .... I'll be using the new Fed cruiser, it's starting to grow on me like cancer.... :P
I will upgrade my other ships as well, one or two a month....
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
There hasn't been any information yet, though, on what those unlocked traits will be - and - if that will be the only way to get those traits, since Geko already replied that those won't be the only traits and only way to get traits.
Don't get me wrong, I figure that the blogs next week will definitely give folks the opportunity to rage...but the guy I replied to told the other guy to go read the blogs - as if the blogs supported anything he was saying.
not just PVE man. PVP will be affected to. we were just getting into thinking of doing so when this came around. and then the new mission coming with DR. yeah. my fleets 2 lifers went over their ships. only their vet ship is getting a free upgrade the rest arn't getting an upgrade at all or it would cost probably 2000 zen or more to upgrade them all and they won't even match a T 6
I was referring to the T5 Starship Traits... ...that go in our captains' 4 Starship Trait slots, rather than the Starship Passive Abilities... ...that unlock at Starship Mastery levels 1-4.
Which, now that you mention it, makes me wonder if all three factions will actually get the 4 T6 ships needed to unlock enough Starship Traits to fill those 4 slots. Hmph.
Well, that helps with my concerns about that last bit. Hopefully there really are other means of getting Starship Traits, or the other two factions are probably going to feel a bit put out. We'll just have to wait and see.
My apologies for that...the other person in the thread, er, for some reason whenever I read their posts - the brain doesn't quite work right. There are folks I absolutely despise on the forums, that my brain still works if I happen to read something they say...this other person, meh - brain just shuts down. So my apology for that.
To be clear, it's not a Boff. It's an ability slot. And an undetermined rank one at that. it could be simply an upgrade from en to lt. Not game breaking, since the pool of abilities is not expanding.
But it is still an upgrade, I agree. However, going from T4 to T5 you gained an ability slot, yes? It came at a cost, since T5 ships are not usually free.
The trait, as I've repeatedly said, can be carried over to your T5 ship or T1 connie even. Much like a universal console. But had they continued adding consoles, and left the ships with the same number of slots....
Oh please let this happen. I wouldn't mind a drop of FSM prices. Ferasan wants a Fleet B'rel.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
Remember, not all T6 ships get that Boff either. Just like T5-U, eh?
I know there has been a lot of speculation that it may be a Constellation class, But I'm hoping it may be an early version of a tier ship, just so we can play around and see if the differences will be that noticeable between them, and T5-u.
Also, I do agree ,that at the very least, even an extra Uni Ensign slot would go a long ways with the upgrade route. Prob. to late to implement, but you did mention you was looking for feedback.
We actually already have a problem right now in terms of a fresh level 50 player w/ no reps vs. someone w/ full rep traits and gear. The player without rep gear tends to be outclassed. Outside of PvP, the players that have top level gear are complaining that they have no challenge in PvE stuff since they largely outclass the NPC ships that they are facing. I anticipate when Delta Rising releases, that there will be at least 2 groups of people out there. One whom will simply upgrade their ships to be near on par to tier 6 ships while keeping the ship they want to fly now, and the other will jump to tier 6 in order to stay the top dogs.
just my 2 slips of Latinum on what I think will happen in October.
I think the Tier 6 ships will be able to slot a special type of (Secret) Bridge officer. I'm calling it secret, because I don't want to upset the moderators.
That is what makes Tier 6 ships really desirable.
Though a new point is raised. If each ship type unlocks a trait, that means at least 9 tier 6 ships on release, 1cruiser-1escort-1science vessel for all 3 factions.
1. i am ok with a zen cost. i think this is a good move to help make more money. Which in turn will help make a better game.
2. Although i am ok with upgrades being a zen cost i feel fleet ships are getting a second price tag on them. if we buy a zen ship we can upgrade it to a T5U ship for a small fee or we can upgrade it to a fleet ship then pay again to upgrade it to a Fleet T5U ship. I'm not saying they should be free but maybe consider having them at a discount compared to a non-fleet ship. (this is assuming fleet ship upgrades will be seperate from there zen store counter ship. i hope they are not but if they are...)
3. price. 500 zen or $5 sounds reasonable to me. any higher and, although i will still buy upgrades for some ships, i think a lot of people will be drawn away from this system. As mentioned in number two fleet ships could be at 300 or 250 zen, I don't really care i just hope they get a smaller price tag for upgrades.
4. FREE UPGRADES! lobi, lock box, event, and special package ships. seeing this was wonderful. great job to everyone. (and with the discount reputation ship system for getting ships on alternate characters this was a big win to me)
5. I have to agree with the OP about the bridge officer stations. i think this will make a much bigger impact in the game then some are thinking. However increasing the rank on a station might be an alternative to adding another station. Again, this isn't something that is going to stop me from getting a ship or two (or five) upgraded but it might be something to consider.
6. weapon slots. I'm not sure how many other people are also wanting or thinking about this but i think with a new tier of ship there should be ships with nine weapon slots. I'm not saying T5U ships should get them but maybe T6 ships should (and to be honest when we where told about the scimitar and it being the first 5 fore weapon slot ship would prove that the engine can handle more then a 4x4 ship, it proved nothing. it still has a total of eight weapons, so if nine weapons actually is limited by the engine then it is understandable)
7. looks. More of a question that is to be answered later i guess, but will ships that can be upgraded get anything changed in how they look? Maybe a new material skin and/or a new window option?
That's all i can think of for now. i will post more here if i think of anything else. Hope this helps you devs and i wish everyone else playing a happy gametime.
Paying for an upgrade that makes your old stuff equal to new stuff is one thing, paying to have your old stuff not quite equal to new stuff is something else altogether. If I have to pay to get my lockbox or fleet ships on T6 level, fine. Having to pay to end up with something that is still inferior, why should I even bother? The stuff I have is outdone, I don't see any point in paying to be slightlly less outdone.
Your mentioning of Fleet ships is a good example of what I meant, I didn't mind paying for Fleet ships, since they where fully equivalent to all other fleet ships (minus the Norgh..). However, I did not have to pay for an upgrade to my C-Store ships that ended up being not really Fleet level.
I am a little bit confused by the next part of your post though, you're acting like every other MMO with a subscription model out there has paid expansions, which is simply not true. Yes there are MMO's with paid expansions, and there are MMO's with just a subscription fee as well. I don't really see how you can just disregard the fact that he is LTS by claiming he would have been paying for an expansion anyway. Then you go on mentioning that some other company's do worse, which is true. Other companies do better, say Guild Wars 2. That is all rather irrelevant though, I'm dealing with this company and not one that does better or worse, so it's neither here nor there what other companies do.
To be clear, I do not mind paying for an expansion, nor for an upgrade. I mind paying for an upgrade that leaves me where I was before the upgrade, namely less good then full tier 6. If you think differently about that that's fine and your right, but don't shove me aside as feeling "entitled" because I expect to get my moneys worth out of an upgrade. Hell, if the upgrade to full T6 would be 10$-15$ instead of 5$-10$, fine.
Back to the thread in general, I see a lot of F2P Stockholm syndrome in this thread, which is hardly surprising. I don't really care anymore, all good things come to an end, this just makes it easier to step away from it all. It's been fun while it lasted, although no season ever was more then season 6 for me, it's been a (mostly) good ride till now.
I wish all those who are still enjoying themselves a blast with the next expansion, have fun!
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
T5-U11 (cause it's important to keep in mind there are both T5-U10s and T5-U11s)...
+1 console
+10% hull
+10% shields
T6...
+1 unknown ranked BOFF ability (could be Lt, LCdr, or maybe even Cmdr - we don't know yet).
Hybrid BOFF seat (conflict with standard BOFF abilities in having to select those or Specialist BOFF abilities).
Ability to unlock a Starship Trait (a trait that can be used on a T5-U ship after being unlocked) that we have no information on.
LIEK OH MY GOSH GUISE WE'LL LOSE OUT THEIR SOOPER COOL GIMMICK.
I never mentioned PvP at all, you may realize.
Yeah I guess you'll be left in the dust with PvP. Didn't one of the devs specify that the T5U ships will actually have a superior layout in exchange for losing out the gimmick? Better modifiers, another console slot?
Considering you/they have the Vet ships, which have been confirmed to be getting upgraded... why not just use the Vet ships for PvP?
or people quit all together. even now we are seeing a drop in people playing in comparison to just yesterday. this idea is already having an effect. A NEGATIVE ONE.
The "Excitement around Delta Rising" blogpost said:
Doing the math, I'd doubt there'll be enough to fill the four slots.
And people like you TRIBBLE me off thinking that $5 is a drop of a bucket!
Because I for one am NOT happy, in having to spend OVER THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO UPGRADE EVERY SHIP I OWN FOR EVERY CHARACTER I PLAY! Even if I GRINDED it out, it would take me 3 years of grinding to pay for it!
And equating this to a USED CAR? Dude, you are not trading it in..............you're blinging it. /facepalm
EDIT: For those who think I'm exaggerating:
Tier 5 Upgrades = 500 to 1000 zen
Fleet Modules = 500 Zen
Multiply this by the number of C-store ships you own.
Multiply this for every character you own that, minus the ships that already been upgraded by the previous character
Do this for every family member.
So am I still exaggerating? If you think so, then my thrusters in your direction.
Hope springs eternal, as they say. :P