"One of the joys of getting ahead is earning a new title for your rank. Federation and Romulan characters will advance from Admiral to Fleet Admiral. KDF characters will rise through the ranks to become a General and later a Dahar Master.
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We're all gonna be Fleet Admirals?
Can't wait until the next level increase - "President of the Federation" for everyone! And after that - "King of the Universe"! Woot! Can't wait for that "joy'!
:rolleyes:
Why wasn't Rank capped at Captain? (except Guild Leaders who could unlock Admiral titles). This 'everyone is a Fleet Admiral' is stupidly ridiculous!
Agreed. I believe it should be changed but I doubt it will. So just do what I do and imagine everyone including yourself as a Captain and ignore the titles and pips. As for Fleet Leaders I would consider them Commodores, Captains who are in charge of more than one ship.
Fleet Admiral Thomas Winston James a.k.a. The Grayfox Fleet Leader of:
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My character's wearing commodore pips (well RE:LH) and isn't leaving them for a Fleet Admiral set ever.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I question this since the launch, why include Ranks into the leveling progress at all...
Why cant it be simply a Level and you are able to unlock Rank / Ranktitles via the achivement system...
Has the big advantage of beeing able to increase the levelcap to any level they want without compromising the Ranksystem.
Fleetadmiral is just hilarious. Theres like 1 or 2 Fleetadmirals in the whole starfleet...
actually there were a dozen fleet admirals in Star Fleet, Fleet admirals hold power over.....well fleets, and generally they were the highest in field ranks obtainable. though deskbound admirals still have the majority of authority.
Fleet Admiral Thomas Winston James a.k.a. The Grayfox Fleet Leader of:
Liberty Task Force/Liberty Honor Guard
Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
That's a lame excuse. Besides, doesn't explain why we still get ordered around by characters of lower rank.
They aren't ordering us, they are just asking for help. That's why we can wander off and go to Risa for a couple of days if we feel like it before heading back to help them out. At least that's how I see it, otherwise we'd probably have lost our ships and ranks by now given how long some of those missions have been sitting in my log for.
I would point out Quinn would still outrank us whilst we are Fleet Admirals, of course I'd hope in future expansions if they raise the cap again, they stretch out some of the existing ranks to make it look like we got up a lot slower than we did.
So we are all gone be in charge then! Still cant refine more than 8000 dillitium a day.... but I order it be done damn it! Seriously tho, I only ever put captain pips on my characters just dont see the point of admiral rank ( technically we should all have a desk job an this should be an office mmo ).
By max level we'll be the same rank as Quinn, and will be outranking T'nae. One would hope that we'll have the option of doing some admiral type stuff, or being able to make some decisions of importance (at least in the storyline). Supposedly we still won't have that 'space away team' thing ready by the next season though. So in practice it still sounds like we'll be captains in all but name.
That's a lame excuse. Besides, doesn't explain why we still get ordered around by characters of lower rank.
Because rank is not the only thing that decides who has authority in a matter. At least not in the military I was trained in.
If some lowly Lieutenant is charged with guard duty, he has the authority to command everyone, even an Admiral, to prove his identity, and also that of any guests he may bring, and decide whether the person are allowed entry, based on whatever rules and guidelines exist for the situation.
Now, if you're high enough rank, you probably also sit in a position where you could actually do something to change these Lieutenant orders, but it may not be a direct process as "Hey, have you counted my pips?" (And of course, if the Admiral is of a petty kind, he may hold a grudge and find ways to make the officers life - and career - difficult. )
If Starfleet tells Commander Bob that he is in charge of all Starfleet operations inside this sector, he may very well be allowed to even tell a Fleet Admiral that his job for the day is to figure out what's up with the rumours about a Klingon superweapon or whatever. Especially if the Fleet Admiral was told already by Starfleet Command that he's to serve in that sector under command of that Commander Bob, then he has to follow those orders.
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Yes, finally I can say to Quinn "You're not the boss of me".
Well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,971Community Moderator
edited August 2014
Meh... I may end up being a Fleet Admiral on paper, but I'm not trading in my Captain's pips on my Uniform. Heck... I rarely even touch my VA Pips now!
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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One player's headcanon in trying to make an MMO into a single player game is at best a misguided endeavour.
Why do people not get the point of that thread? The fact that that's the way it is is so obvious that people were complaining about that thread being a captain obvious thread, and yet there are still people who can't get it through their head that all player characters are projections of the "canonical" protagonist. There isn't any other way it can work. There's only one Tovan Khev; hence, only one Romulan player character. Same with Flores and K'gan. And even beyond that, we do things that can only be done once. That's the price of having narrative content that everyone can play; there's not really any other way to do it.
Now, who exactly the canonical protagonist is, we may never know, unless they go the KOTOR route and just define it eventually.
Desk bound admirals and officers who work on behalf of starfleet are the ones who either give or relay orders.
Admirals of low ranks can call forth missions and order higher ranks around since they are essentially Starfleet. Officers who are lower ranks than us order us around because they are essentially just Relaying Starfleet's orders.
Quinn is in charge of StarFleet operations and as such he outranks us.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,971Community Moderator
edited August 2014
The whole argument over who the hero is doesn't really factor into it in my opinion. Yes the story of the game centers around you and your crew, however that doesn't discount other players you join with in queued PvE stuff or PvP. As far as your story is concerned, they're just other captains who are commanding their ships. Just like in any other fleet. Their stories don't have any impact on your own.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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What, epoh tagging is totally the job of a fleet admiral.
I guess the farmers will sit in the war room and control all that technology and manpower
Personally don't care about text or pixels especially since it's all non-canon but I know other people do and it made no sense to not work with them on this from day 1 or even now.
You know people like immersion, some like rp, so what's the point I really don't get it
LOL! You're still not getting it. It's kind of sad, but funny at the same time. :P
Yes it is.
If you choose in your own 'head canon' to close your eyes and go, "lalalala - I can't see or hear you other people in the game!" go right ahead if it helps you cope with the situation.
But the truth is this is a massive MULTIPLAYER online game.
The dev team really blew it with making everyone admirals. We should have been rank (not level) capped at Captain, with only guild leaders having access to Admiral.
The truth isn't an excuse. In terms of the game's story, it's about you and your ship/crew.
Explain multiplayer praytell?
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Well to an extent theres an ammount of Suspension of Disbelief thats appropriate in my view.
That Ferengi Cruiser you see, thats just a roving trader, that Xindi ship, I'll assume thats an actual Xindi crew, and that Dominion Dreadnought I'll assume is a visiting Ambassadors vessel.
So I can totally understand trying to rationalise things in the game that are controlled by other players
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Can't wait until the next level increase - "President of the Federation" for everyone! And after that - "King of the Universe"! Woot! Can't wait for that "joy'!
While a KDF can rise up through the ranks to become Chancellor, a Starfleet officer must be ELECTED to be President of the Federation, it's not a rank, it's an office that is chosen by the population of the Federation.
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Fleet Leader of:
Liberty Task Force/Liberty Honor Guard
Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians
U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
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Why cant it be simply a Level and you are able to unlock Rank / Ranktitles via the achivement system...
Has the big advantage of beeing able to increase the levelcap to any level they want without compromising the Ranksystem.
Fleetadmiral is just hilarious. Theres like 1 or 2 Fleetadmirals in the whole starfleet...
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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actually there were a dozen fleet admirals in Star Fleet, Fleet admirals hold power over.....well fleets, and generally they were the highest in field ranks obtainable. though deskbound admirals still have the majority of authority.
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Fleet Leader of:
Liberty Task Force/Liberty Honor Guard
Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians
U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
Game Handle: Grayfox@GrayfoxJames
Website: https://www.libertytaskforce.com
Armada (STOFA Member Fleet): https://www.libertytaskforce.com/stofa
Discord: https://discord.gg/bGp9N7z
Twitter: STOFA@LTFGrayfox
Email: CSDynamix@Hotmail.com
One player's headcanon in trying to make an MMO into a single player game is at best a misguided endeavour.
That's a lame excuse. Besides, doesn't explain why we still get ordered around by characters of lower rank.
Personally, I'd like to be called, Oh handsome overload of awesomeness... :P
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
They aren't ordering us, they are just asking for help. That's why we can wander off and go to Risa for a couple of days if we feel like it before heading back to help them out. At least that's how I see it, otherwise we'd probably have lost our ships and ranks by now given how long some of those missions have been sitting in my log for.
I would point out Quinn would still outrank us whilst we are Fleet Admirals, of course I'd hope in future expansions if they raise the cap again, they stretch out some of the existing ranks to make it look like we got up a lot slower than we did.
Because rank is not the only thing that decides who has authority in a matter. At least not in the military I was trained in.
If some lowly Lieutenant is charged with guard duty, he has the authority to command everyone, even an Admiral, to prove his identity, and also that of any guests he may bring, and decide whether the person are allowed entry, based on whatever rules and guidelines exist for the situation.
Now, if you're high enough rank, you probably also sit in a position where you could actually do something to change these Lieutenant orders, but it may not be a direct process as "Hey, have you counted my pips?" (And of course, if the Admiral is of a petty kind, he may hold a grudge and find ways to make the officers life - and career - difficult. )
If Starfleet tells Commander Bob that he is in charge of all Starfleet operations inside this sector, he may very well be allowed to even tell a Fleet Admiral that his job for the day is to figure out what's up with the rumours about a Klingon superweapon or whatever. Especially if the Fleet Admiral was told already by Starfleet Command that he's to serve in that sector under command of that Commander Bob, then he has to follow those orders.
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Why do people not get the point of that thread? The fact that that's the way it is is so obvious that people were complaining about that thread being a captain obvious thread, and yet there are still people who can't get it through their head that all player characters are projections of the "canonical" protagonist. There isn't any other way it can work. There's only one Tovan Khev; hence, only one Romulan player character. Same with Flores and K'gan. And even beyond that, we do things that can only be done once. That's the price of having narrative content that everyone can play; there's not really any other way to do it.
Now, who exactly the canonical protagonist is, we may never know, unless they go the KOTOR route and just define it eventually.
Desk bound admirals and officers who work on behalf of starfleet are the ones who either give or relay orders.
Admirals of low ranks can call forth missions and order higher ranks around since they are essentially Starfleet. Officers who are lower ranks than us order us around because they are essentially just Relaying Starfleet's orders.
Quinn is in charge of StarFleet operations and as such he outranks us.
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And the four other Fleet Admirals helping you in that STF you're running....:rolleyes:
arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1203368/pve-content-a-list-of-gamewide-polishing-pass-suggestions
I guess the farmers will sit in the war room and control all that technology and manpower
Personally don't care about text or pixels especially since it's all non-canon but I know other people do and it made no sense to not work with them on this from day 1 or even now.
You know people like immersion, some like rp, so what's the point I really don't get it
Yes it is.
If you choose in your own 'head canon' to close your eyes and go, "lalalala - I can't see or hear you other people in the game!" go right ahead if it helps you cope with the situation.
But the truth is this is a massive MULTIPLAYER online game.
The dev team really blew it with making everyone admirals. We should have been rank (not level) capped at Captain, with only guild leaders having access to Admiral.
arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1203368/pve-content-a-list-of-gamewide-polishing-pass-suggestions
Explain multiplayer praytell?
Star Trek Battles member. Want to roll with a good group of people regardless of fleets and not have to worry about DPS while doing STFs? Come join the channel and join in the fun!
http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1145998/star-trek-battles-channel-got-canon/p1
Well to an extent theres an ammount of Suspension of Disbelief thats appropriate in my view.
That Ferengi Cruiser you see, thats just a roving trader, that Xindi ship, I'll assume thats an actual Xindi crew, and that Dominion Dreadnought I'll assume is a visiting Ambassadors vessel.
So I can totally understand trying to rationalise things in the game that are controlled by other players
We're Starfleet (Or Klingon Defense Force) Officers.
While a KDF can rise up through the ranks to become Chancellor, a Starfleet officer must be ELECTED to be President of the Federation, it's not a rank, it's an office that is chosen by the population of the Federation.
That's the most inspiring post I've ever read.