No seriously, why to try to did something that isnt broken. Its kinda based on real Stock exchange. Its business, and you as a Ferengi should understand it. But seems il be saying this grade alot "Ive been proven wrong too many time on this game"
Sorry. But you make a lousy Ferengi.
You're giving Ferengi a bad name.
I don't sell Zen. I buy Zen. And your plan will make buying Zen harder because the price would be higher for 1 Zen.
Please learn Economics.
*Divides by 0*
At this point in time his idea would do nothing but cause dil to plummet for a week and then rocket back up. The problem right now is people are not generally buying much of anything as they are concerned about the value of purchases right now with a pending level increase with X2.
It's basically like a main seawater line rupturing in a ship spilling 2000 gallons a second, and his plans are to head in and fix the problem with a piece of duct tape and a bread-tie to patch up a problem of one of the faucets leaking.. When what one needs to be doing is stopping the source of the problem (ie, alleviating the market concerns so people start engaging in sales again).
Get used to it. That's Crpytic new business strategy. Both in Champions Online and Neverwinter they inflated the f away the change currency of Zen.
In NW there even a backlog for Zen!
While in STO there won't be backlog because of Zen stipend, I suggest to brace yourself for 400+ Zen prices. It won't be pretty. (But! Crpytic has very good games, and very generous F2P matrix tho!)
Cryptic is only involved insofar as providing the market, putting a hard cap of 500x/1 zen, and providing a vehicle to buy zen with real money (C-store).
The rest is player driven.
You really cannot compare Neverwinter with STO or even Champions. Neverwinter's entire player economy (including the exchage) is fueled by astral diamonds (their dilithium equivalent). Gold is almost worthless in that game save to buy potions and profession kits from vendors. Also add in the amount of exchange exploits there were in the past, and you end up with a devalued currency. That is all player driven. More players want zen for astral diamonds than players are putting up on the market. It's simple supply and demand.
There is also the issue of gold selling sites which are rampant in Neverwinter.
STO has has like 4 currencies: Dilithium, EC, marks of various sorts, and latinum. Also add in the gold account zen stipend. This gives you a more fluid economy.
Yes because silencing someone you disagree with is always a good idea. :rolleyes:
Bear in mind that the same stick can be applied both ways.
@ OP
I suggested this in your other thread on the dilithium/zen market. Yes, reducing the refining cap is the most effective way to achieve you goal (in the short term). However to make it more effective you need to make an account wide cap, otherwise people will make more characters to farm dilithium (if that is what they are after). You really need to half the current inflow of dilithium to see any real effect. The problem though is that once zen drop beyond a certain point, fewer people will be willing to drop zen into the market because of lower rate of return. Once the zen supply drops, prices will rise. The market is basically self regulating and will balance itself based on supply and demand. You know this.
For the record, I think that dilithium prices are just fine and nothing needs to be done.
Sorry. But you make a lousy Ferengi.
You're giving Ferengi a bad name.
I don't sell Zen. I buy Zen. And your plan will make buying Zen harder because the price would be higher for 1 Zen.
Please learn Economics.
*Divides by 0*
For all we know, he wants the market to change in a way that would give him more monopoly.
This seems like a doom thread in disguise. Anyway, even I joined around when F2P started and remember it being much higher. It will just keep floating up since there is no new dil sink.
The R&D system was a ploy by the devs to act like a dil sink, but it didn't work as well as fleet holdings did.
No it wouldn't. It would increase the prices of all the current dil sinks. (weapons, hangar pets, fleet projects, etc.) and it wouldn't do anyhing about the zen. (it would still take the same number of workdays to get the same amount of zen)
The only way to lower the price of zen is to... Reduce the price of zen.
This is false. The cost of the sinks would remain unchanged. The change would be in the amount of dilithium available for a player to use on said sinks. The price of zen would probably drop a little in the short term, but would return thanks to supply and demand.
Decreasing supply would absolutely lower the price.
The problem is the price lowered in such a way stays the same relative to the size of now-shrunken coffers, thus doing nothing to ease the burden placed on the working man. In the meantime ingame items that cost Dilithium stay exactly the same price, despite the fact that people will have less Dilithium to spend on them. It seems like a lose/lose to me for everyone but those fabulously wealthy individuals that may already have a large amount of Dilithium stockpiled.
Those people will presumably hold onto their stockpiles and watch as their wealth relative to other players skyrockets.
For an extremely wealthy person to advocate such a course of action seems maliciously self serving, not that I'm accusing anybody here of such a thing.
Go play Cryptic's other titles like CO, where it's currently 375:1 (where it's a pain to get their version of Dilithium by doing dailies, and nobody complains), or NW, where it has been at 500:1 for MONTHS (the max) with MILLIONS of their Dilithium in the queue to sell.
Then again, in NW, Cryptic did a fantastic job breaking the economy outright with some of their changes. Also the entire economy is based around their Dil because you need it for everything including their auction house.
Again, you have no idea the repercussions you're asking for.
I disagree. I think that an 8000 dil limit per day becomes a big burden to people.
They can get say, 6000, but that extra 2k haunts them, because they know others are getting it, are getting ahead of them.
Its hard for any person to deny that it would be better for the dil grinder if he didnt have to pay so much dil for each zen. This workingman, as it is best to think of him, is the salt of the earth in this game.
Cash money millionaires pay him poverty wages when they buy zen to trade him at such a confiscatory rate. We need to think of him, of his toils.
As a side benefit, this could spur people to make more characters. Each additional character would be an additional 6000 refined dil per day.
Isn't it time to LESSEN THE BURDEN on those among us who are burdened the most?
I sure hope this is supposed to be a serious topic, and if so than do what I do, and do not pay the higher cost.
Wait till the market fluctuates back down, it is that simple.
Yes it make take some time, but it will happen like it always does.
The 3 biggest reasons this market goes up, and down.
1: Zen seller's no longer in need of large quantities of dilithium.
2: Dilithium farmer's using large sums of toons, floods market with dilithium, causing an influx on value.
3: New items/content/etc. on the way, so seller's of zen do as so many other's do, inflate the market price to benefit, remember the bit about EC's supply & demand, well same applies here.
Now granted there are technically more than 3 reasons, but these 3 are usually the biggest factors, and even though I myself do not enjoy increased price for zen, it isn't something I, nor you can really control, and like I mentioned when I see prices go up, I myself do not buy, instead I become a seller.
Wow im psychic! But why cant I predict when im going to play an STF with bunch of spoiled rich brats that fly a Schimitar and do cavalry charges at Donatra?
Indeed, his goal right now is probably to deflate the market to near nothing, so he can reap serious profits come season 2. Imagine selling 500,000 zen sold now would nearly triple his profit come X2..... if he pushes it down to 70-80 like he wants to he could even double upon that... turning 500,000 dil into 3,000,000 dil.
Go play Cryptic's other titles like CO, where it's currently 375:1 (where it's a pain to get their version of Dilithium by doing dailies, and nobody complains), or NW, where it has been at 500:1 for MONTHS (the max) with MILLIONS of their Dilithium in the queue to sell.
Then again, in NW, Cryptic did a fantastic job breaking the economy outright with some of their changes. Also the entire economy is based around their Dil because you need it for everything including their auction house.
Again, you have no idea the repercussions you're asking for.
Again, I don't think you can really compare STO to Neverwinter despite both being Cryptic titles. Astral diamonds are Neverwinter's primary currency.
Dilithium is a secondary currency (EC drives the exchange). Also the amount of gold selling sites that have overrun Neverwinter is also an issue. STO doesn't have even close to the problems that Neverwinter does. For instance, keys in Neverwinter are now account bound.
Indeed, his goal right now is probably to deflate the market to near nothing, so he can reap serious profits come season 2. Imagine selling 500,000 zen sold now would nearly triple his profit come X2..... if he pushes it down to 70-80 like he wants to he could even double upon that... turning 500,000 dil into 3,000,000 dil.
And start a new Galatep ( or however its writen). With blackjack, and hookers!
Let's not go there, and keep it on topic. The thread relating to that went off the rails in spectacular fashion.
Sorry, sarcasm and trolling always get the better of me
Back on topic, ZEN exchange is an overly simplified version of stock exchange and how economy works in real life. Its not broken, and it doesnt need fixing. Still, he is an honorless Ferengi that deserves to be hanged on his ears ( or something like that, General Martok im sorry that I forgot the single best quote in Star Trek history )
Indeed, his goal right now is probably to deflate the market to near nothing, so he can reap serious profits come season 2. Imagine selling 500,000 zen sold now would nearly triple his profit come X2..... if he pushes it down to 70-80 like he wants to he could even double upon that... turning 500,000 dil into 3,000,000 dil.
Hell he should have done this already, it's just now he cannot buy at the really low end, and sell at the high end, until prices swing back down.
He is essentially wanting his cake, and eat it too, than have another.
Zen sinks are far more full than dilithium sinks are. Hardly anybody left wants zen, they want dilithium. The idea that dilithium sinks are close to full is a myth.
Zen sinks are far more full than dilithium sinks are. Hardly anybody left wants zen, they want dilithium. The idea that dilithium sinks are close to full is a myth.
Yes, and with crafting the devs cratead a *insatiable* Dilithium Sink, which will hit us in 1-2 months in it's full extent.
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
Personally, I think there are more important things to discuss...
For example, the epic lack of cookies in the game... My character is in withdrawal.... I need cookies.
Try Trellium instead, it's much more stimulating!
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
No... I am telling you Cookies... Chocolate chip cookies... That's the way to go.
But with trellium as ingredient your Cookies and even your Souffl
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No seriously, why to try to did something that isnt broken. Its kinda based on real Stock exchange. Its business, and you as a Ferengi should understand it. But seems il be saying this grade alot "Ive been proven wrong too many time on this game"
Know the difference
It could save your life...
At this point in time his idea would do nothing but cause dil to plummet for a week and then rocket back up. The problem right now is people are not generally buying much of anything as they are concerned about the value of purchases right now with a pending level increase with X2.
It's basically like a main seawater line rupturing in a ship spilling 2000 gallons a second, and his plans are to head in and fix the problem with a piece of duct tape and a bread-tie to patch up a problem of one of the faucets leaking.. When what one needs to be doing is stopping the source of the problem (ie, alleviating the market concerns so people start engaging in sales again).
Cryptic is only involved insofar as providing the market, putting a hard cap of 500x/1 zen, and providing a vehicle to buy zen with real money (C-store).
The rest is player driven.
You really cannot compare Neverwinter with STO or even Champions. Neverwinter's entire player economy (including the exchage) is fueled by astral diamonds (their dilithium equivalent). Gold is almost worthless in that game save to buy potions and profession kits from vendors. Also add in the amount of exchange exploits there were in the past, and you end up with a devalued currency. That is all player driven. More players want zen for astral diamonds than players are putting up on the market. It's simple supply and demand.
There is also the issue of gold selling sites which are rampant in Neverwinter.
STO has has like 4 currencies: Dilithium, EC, marks of various sorts, and latinum. Also add in the gold account zen stipend. This gives you a more fluid economy.
I disagree. I loathe tribbles. They are a plague should be removed via exterminatus.
Yes because silencing someone you disagree with is always a good idea. :rolleyes:
Bear in mind that the same stick can be applied both ways.
@ OP
I suggested this in your other thread on the dilithium/zen market. Yes, reducing the refining cap is the most effective way to achieve you goal (in the short term). However to make it more effective you need to make an account wide cap, otherwise people will make more characters to farm dilithium (if that is what they are after). You really need to half the current inflow of dilithium to see any real effect. The problem though is that once zen drop beyond a certain point, fewer people will be willing to drop zen into the market because of lower rate of return. Once the zen supply drops, prices will rise. The market is basically self regulating and will balance itself based on supply and demand. You know this.
For the record, I think that dilithium prices are just fine and nothing needs to be done.
For all we know, he wants the market to change in a way that would give him more monopoly.
The R&D system was a ploy by the devs to act like a dil sink, but it didn't work as well as fleet holdings did.
The only thing he can do with how to fix is buying ZEN. He prooly has a huge stockpile od Đil and he just awaits the moment to convert it.
Know the difference
It could save your life...
This is false. The cost of the sinks would remain unchanged. The change would be in the amount of dilithium available for a player to use on said sinks. The price of zen would probably drop a little in the short term, but would return thanks to supply and demand.
The problem is the price lowered in such a way stays the same relative to the size of now-shrunken coffers, thus doing nothing to ease the burden placed on the working man. In the meantime ingame items that cost Dilithium stay exactly the same price, despite the fact that people will have less Dilithium to spend on them. It seems like a lose/lose to me for everyone but those fabulously wealthy individuals that may already have a large amount of Dilithium stockpiled.
Those people will presumably hold onto their stockpiles and watch as their wealth relative to other players skyrockets.
For an extremely wealthy person to advocate such a course of action seems maliciously self serving, not that I'm accusing anybody here of such a thing.
Go play Cryptic's other titles like CO, where it's currently 375:1 (where it's a pain to get their version of Dilithium by doing dailies, and nobody complains), or NW, where it has been at 500:1 for MONTHS (the max) with MILLIONS of their Dilithium in the queue to sell.
Then again, in NW, Cryptic did a fantastic job breaking the economy outright with some of their changes. Also the entire economy is based around their Dil because you need it for everything including their auction house.
Again, you have no idea the repercussions you're asking for.
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Probably.... the memory of a fish.
I sure hope this is supposed to be a serious topic, and if so than do what I do, and do not pay the higher cost.
Wait till the market fluctuates back down, it is that simple.
Yes it make take some time, but it will happen like it always does.
The 3 biggest reasons this market goes up, and down.
1: Zen seller's no longer in need of large quantities of dilithium.
2: Dilithium farmer's using large sums of toons, floods market with dilithium, causing an influx on value.
3: New items/content/etc. on the way, so seller's of zen do as so many other's do, inflate the market price to benefit, remember the bit about EC's supply & demand, well same applies here.
Now granted there are technically more than 3 reasons, but these 3 are usually the biggest factors, and even though I myself do not enjoy increased price for zen, it isn't something I, nor you can really control, and like I mentioned when I see prices go up, I myself do not buy, instead I become a seller.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
He posted the assets of 2 of his characters in another thread.
Wow im psychic! But why cant I predict when im going to play an STF with bunch of spoiled rich brats that fly a Schimitar and do cavalry charges at Donatra?
Know the difference
It could save your life...
Indeed, his goal right now is probably to deflate the market to near nothing, so he can reap serious profits come season 2. Imagine selling 500,000 zen sold now would nearly triple his profit come X2..... if he pushes it down to 70-80 like he wants to he could even double upon that... turning 500,000 dil into 3,000,000 dil.
Again, I don't think you can really compare STO to Neverwinter despite both being Cryptic titles. Astral diamonds are Neverwinter's primary currency.
Dilithium is a secondary currency (EC drives the exchange). Also the amount of gold selling sites that have overrun Neverwinter is also an issue. STO doesn't have even close to the problems that Neverwinter does. For instance, keys in Neverwinter are now account bound.
And start a new Galatep ( or however its writen). With blackjack, and hookers!
Know the difference
It could save your life...
Let's not go there, and keep it on topic. The thread relating to that went off the rails in spectacular fashion.
Sorry, sarcasm and trolling always get the better of me
Back on topic, ZEN exchange is an overly simplified version of stock exchange and how economy works in real life. Its not broken, and it doesnt need fixing. Still, he is an honorless Ferengi that deserves to be hanged on his ears ( or something like that, General Martok im sorry that I forgot the single best quote in Star Trek history
Know the difference
It could save your life...
One thread not enough?
To refute your entire argument: 1 Zen -> 161 Dilithium, YAY!
Hell he should have done this already, it's just now he cannot buy at the really low end, and sell at the high end, until prices swing back down.
He is essentially wanting his cake, and eat it too, than have another.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Yes, and with crafting the devs cratead a *insatiable* Dilithium Sink, which will hit us in 1-2 months in it's full extent.
For example, the epic lack of cookies in the game... My character is in withdrawal.... I need cookies.
Try Trellium instead, it's much more stimulating!
Only if you are a Vulcan...
No... I am telling you Cookies... Chocolate chip cookies... That's the way to go.
But with trellium as ingredient your Cookies and even your Souffl