Druk is a resident troll. He spends hours on end at ESD starting arguments about politics for as long as I have been playing this game (Sept. 2012). As a new player I almost quit the game completely because of his TRIBBLE. And one time he was trying to coerce players at ESD into capturing and executing a real life person (Edward Snowden). That's all he does. And it seems he has now branched out onto the forums. His threads are nothing but troll posts to TRIBBLE people off.
March 5, 2013: Druk in ESD starting arguments about politics. Support ticket #130305-000929
Feb. 28, 2014 at around 10:25 pm pacific time zone: Druk at ESD starting a political argument by telling people that "Edward Snowden needs to be executed". Support ticket #140228-001850
March 1, 2014 10:50 pm pacific: Druk at ESD starting a political argument by telling people they need to go out and capture him and execute him. Support ticket #140301-002466
And I'm not just saying this because of the OP's 'Druk' signature pic. In at least 1 of these old support tickets I had told support his @username, which matches the OP's forum name to the left of his post and coincides with his signature pic.
The exchange is going to creap up no matter what you do at this point. Hardly anyone is making exchanges right now because of the pending X2 stuff... no one wants to spend EITHER dil or zen on anything out of concern with what will happen to it. As such, ANYTHING you do will be nothing but a bandaid pending more X2 information. Imposing a dill sink or anything else will just ultimately compound the problem as forcing a loss will just make people stop playing at all until more X2 stuff is released. Additionally any sinks or costs translated to the players pre-X2 will just kill the playerbase and squash potential post-X2 profits.
Actually, the absolutely best thing one can do at this point is to stockpile zen; because the profit margins at X2 release would be massive.
I think 6000 refining limit would do this, and would have other beneficial effects.
I don't agree that lowering the refine cap would affect it. It would also hurt fleets, F2P players, and probably drive the DL Exchange higher due to Supply and Demand. There will be more demand with less supply, thus driving prices up for the existing supply.
Prices don't normally drop when there's fewer items on the market.
Right now its speculation over the upcoming expansion. People are hording their Dilithium, thus driving Zen prices up.
Like I said before, there's always a spike in prices with announcements. The fact that it didn't really drop back to normal levels after the last DL burst with... I think it was Mirror Invasion, doesn't really factor due to new shinies in the C-Store. Also, part of it is because there are more fleets hitting T5, and there isn't a new fleet holding to act as a sink.
You want prices to drop, then provide something to drop that DL into like another Fleet Holding. Its going to be a while before enough people hit lv 15 crafting in any school outside of those with lots of DL already to fast track it, therefor Supply and Demand + Speculation comes into play.
Is there any way to set a forum poster on ignore? The OP's suggestions seem to be worse than LSD on destroying brain cells and setting them on ignore would do wonders for my mental stability.
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The "Workingman" doesn't play MMO's ... he's out ... umm ... Working.
No it wouldn't. It would increase the prices of all the current dil sinks. (weapons, hangar pets, fleet projects, etc.) and it wouldn't do anyhing about the zen. (it would still take the same number of workdays to get the same amount of zen)
The only way to lower the price of zen is to... Reduce the price of zen.
I want to remove the limits currently placed on the workingman to enjoy the game without all his time being monopolized in the rat race for money.
I want to relieve his burdens.
The workingman calls out for these burdens to be lifted.
I have never heard of any working man that would call out for his burden to earn money to be lifted whether it is virtual or real. The working man works because he wants money to buy the good things in life. Reducing his ability to earn money goes against everything he believes in. So either you are completely ignorant about the working man or you have hatred towards the working man.
Normal DL Exchange behavior. Its player driven, so prices fluctuate like the Stock Market. New shiny gets announced, prices shoot up. Market gets flooded by say... Mirror Invasion, prices shoot up.
But until we get back to the dark days of 300+, don't call Doom until you've ground out a bundle on 300+/1 ratio.
Its just another one of his 'I want to rig the market for my own gains' thread. Lower Zen prices means he can buy more Items with RL Currency price tags with less dilithium investment. He doesnt actually think the prices are outrageously high. Theyre just too high for him to exploit.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,565Community Moderator
edited August 2014
Ok... seriously... decreasing supply does NOT lower prices.
I'll use a real world example I'm sure EVERYONE can relate to.
The dil ex will only go up as long as the supple and demand for dil is within a certain range relative to zen.
If X2 includes new holdings that are big dil sinks, it would be a catastrophe to be holding zen when it launches.
The dil/zen exchange is based on relative market of the option... you got that part at least right. However the problem now is the market overall is drying up, there people are not making that many exchanges from one to the other because the overall playerbase is concerned with what their purchased will mean in a couple months. As such, not many are actualyl converting anything right now. People with dil are accumulating more dil, people with zen stipends are accumulating more zen and the number of itms is decreasing. As there are still "some" purchases going on, those are confined to the lower values, as those drop off the uppervalues show, and the exchange creeps up. ANYTHING you do, short of fixing the buyer concern right now may in the short run cause a drop in the price.... but it will creep right back up.... becayse your ideas do not attack the problem.... merely a symptom.
Availability of new ships at X2 means a demand for Zen, as those with Zen will be the source of the necessary FM's, keys and Zen needed to buy ships. The Exchange price on FM's will skyrocket, keys wil skyrocket.... and even the dil exchange will itself skyrocket, no matter what you do the dil exchange price will be up in the ~500's come X2... and to be honest.... my estimate here is conservative.
rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,565Community Moderator
edited August 2014
Sorry. But you make a lousy Ferengi.
You're giving Ferengi a bad name.
I don't sell Zen. I buy Zen. And your plan will make buying Zen harder because the price would be higher for 1 Zen.
Please learn Economics.
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He's putting them to shame right now.
This is very enlightening.
Actually, the absolutely best thing one can do at this point is to stockpile zen; because the profit margins at X2 release would be massive.
I don't agree that lowering the refine cap would affect it. It would also hurt fleets, F2P players, and probably drive the DL Exchange higher due to Supply and Demand. There will be more demand with less supply, thus driving prices up for the existing supply.
Prices don't normally drop when there's fewer items on the market.
Right now its speculation over the upcoming expansion. People are hording their Dilithium, thus driving Zen prices up.
Like I said before, there's always a spike in prices with announcements. The fact that it didn't really drop back to normal levels after the last DL burst with... I think it was Mirror Invasion, doesn't really factor due to new shinies in the C-Store. Also, part of it is because there are more fleets hitting T5, and there isn't a new fleet holding to act as a sink.
You want prices to drop, then provide something to drop that DL into like another Fleet Holding. Its going to be a while before enough people hit lv 15 crafting in any school outside of those with lots of DL already to fast track it, therefor Supply and Demand + Speculation comes into play.
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Compared to reducing the refiningn cap, which has found no support whatsoever?
Is there anything that he does not want to limit?
His own genocide fantasies?
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You do not reduce the burden of the worker by lowering his possible salary. You do it by reducing prices.
I couldn't find one.
Hopefully this troll gets IP banned.
No it wouldn't. It would increase the prices of all the current dil sinks. (weapons, hangar pets, fleet projects, etc.) and it wouldn't do anyhing about the zen. (it would still take the same number of workdays to get the same amount of zen)
The only way to lower the price of zen is to... Reduce the price of zen.
Wow, never expected a day when ESD Zone chat actually had a benefit over something else.
I have never heard of any working man that would call out for his burden to earn money to be lifted whether it is virtual or real. The working man works because he wants money to buy the good things in life. Reducing his ability to earn money goes against everything he believes in. So either you are completely ignorant about the working man or you have hatred towards the working man.
Yes, your avatar is very distinctive, especially considering your lack of playing time.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/user/repetitiveepic/activity
First rule of trolling: use a throwaway account.
Its just another one of his 'I want to rig the market for my own gains' thread. Lower Zen prices means he can buy more Items with RL Currency price tags with less dilithium investment. He doesnt actually think the prices are outrageously high. Theyre just too high for him to exploit.
I'll use a real world example I'm sure EVERYONE can relate to.
Gas.
Does a Gas Shortage lower Gas prices?
Your Ramming Speed III deals 242658 (243540) Kinetic Damage (Critical) to you.
The dil/zen exchange is based on relative market of the option... you got that part at least right. However the problem now is the market overall is drying up, there people are not making that many exchanges from one to the other because the overall playerbase is concerned with what their purchased will mean in a couple months. As such, not many are actualyl converting anything right now. People with dil are accumulating more dil, people with zen stipends are accumulating more zen and the number of itms is decreasing. As there are still "some" purchases going on, those are confined to the lower values, as those drop off the uppervalues show, and the exchange creeps up. ANYTHING you do, short of fixing the buyer concern right now may in the short run cause a drop in the price.... but it will creep right back up.... becayse your ideas do not attack the problem.... merely a symptom.
Availability of new ships at X2 means a demand for Zen, as those with Zen will be the source of the necessary FM's, keys and Zen needed to buy ships. The Exchange price on FM's will skyrocket, keys wil skyrocket.... and even the dil exchange will itself skyrocket, no matter what you do the dil exchange price will be up in the ~500's come X2... and to be honest.... my estimate here is conservative.
You're giving Ferengi a bad name.
I don't sell Zen. I buy Zen. And your plan will make buying Zen harder because the price would be higher for 1 Zen.
Please learn Economics.
*Divides by 0*
The playing time you are pointing out are counted only if you are logged into ARC first.