On some quick thinking about this, this really potentially puts tremendous firepower out there. Obviously Escorts and other TAC heavy ships benefit greatly from this.
But this puts more firepower in sources that never would have had it before. guaranteed to hit hard, which was not a regular thing before compared to TAC heavy ships.
That Beam Overload 1 or 2 from something like a regular Assault Cruiser, Star Cruiser, Galaxy, K'T'Inga may not have mattered to you before. But it should after these changes when even an Intrepid can guarantee a BO crit on you.
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Vape this vape that omfg vape vape vape I have said before that they know about the silly vaping and are looking into it so........do you all ever think .......this is just the opening salvo in a flurry of changes that will see them next attack vaping and try to kill it ?? Just saying....I'm not always wrong .......when I am ....it's geckos fault .....by the way Ty geko for the constellation that showed up on Picard day ........NOT
This is great for PvE. The devs have abandoned PvP, and so have I.
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they should delete the joke they call pvp so new people dont get to try it.The devs and their wannabe game designer are a insult to anyone who spent money in this game.
The pvp community says 1 thing .....the people who never played pvp (aka devs) do the opposite....good job now go wonder why pvp is not played.
Btw how is that "great vaper"? ...any idiot can "vape" now.
they should delete the joke they call pvp so new people dont get to try it.The devs and their wannabe game designer are a insult to anyone who spent money in this game.
The pvp community says 1 thing .....the people who never played pvp (aka devs) do the opposite....good job now go wonder why pvp is not played.
Btw how is that "great vaper"? ...any idiot can "vape" now.
It's Minimax. @EmoeJoe. You've seriously never heard of him?
Edit: And I don't mean great as in somehow better than any random shmoe that picks up the same gear and build. I'm talking the people well known for vaping.
It's Minimax. @EmoeJoe. You've seriously never heard of him?
Edit: And I don't mean great as in somehow better than any random shmoe. I'm talking the people well known for vaping.
You dont get it ....craptic made it so everyone can do what Mini did in the past ...that with no skill at all .All this bs when they could have kept the original design and add a PvP tutorial...not make every nOOblet who died in the tutorial an allmighty vaper.Its not about Mini ..its about that 2 days newbie who can "out skill" you who played for years.
You dont get it ....craptic made it so everyone can do what Mini did in the past ...that with no skill at all .All this bs when they could have kept the original design and add a PvP tutorial...not make every nOOblet who died in the tutorial an allmighty vaper.
I do get it. You don't get what I'm saying. Reread the post you quoted: I am talking about great as in reputation.
I think that Game has an very intressting PVP Part one of the Best, but your Company don't see it.... a pity.:(
Its not that they dont see it ,is that they refuse to even try it.The way space pvp works is almost a gold mine if you get people to learn it...instead they change it so people dont need to learn it .
No. That's not true. Of course I could make the [Over] mod not drain power. Was it convenient to make planned changes to Beam Overload in order to alleviate the [Over] issue? Yes. But game balance changes to "meta" and "non-meta" powers have been planned for months now, and we're finally getting to start making them.
Please stop repeating this (albeit hilarious-sounding "ah ha devs are so dumb") soundbite. It's flat out not true.
maybe not all of you are flat lined in the head... but I will say with all the problems and bad decisions made as of late, some of your peers are creating that soundbite, and making it legit.. maybe its time for you guys to inner office team up and elevate the ones who are lowering the standard???
I took my Romulan into Ker'rat tonight, and got several cheap kills due to BO. I took no pleasure in it and just left after 20 minutes... I won't even get back into my T'varo, that would just be too cheap.
I played some pvp yesterday after the patch... well, I do not like this changes... the new BO do not seems so much op, but however pvp is now totally "BO only" oriented. Every match was simply "science ships trying to stop you, and escort that fire BO to you". My feeling is that a different strategy is useless, cannons were almost unimportant before this changes (not enough damage in pvp) and now are totally unimportant, also crth is now totally unimportant since BO is alway a critical hit you have only to maximize crtd (so, for example the vulnerabily locator consoles are now obsolete)
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Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
I played some pvp yesterday after the patch... well, I do not like this changes... the new BO do not seems so much op, but however pvp is now totally "BO only" oriented. Every match was simply "science ships trying to stop you, and escort that fire BO to you". My feeling is that a different strategy is useless, cannons were almost unimportant before this changes (not enough damage in pvp) and now are totally unimportant, also crth is now totally unimportant since BO is alway a critical hit you have only to maximize crtd (so, for example the vulnerabily locator consoles are now obsolete)
Go thank Geko for that because he was QQing about cannons being "OP" .
Things the devs forgot in their haste to push this out.
1) Some elite pets use BO so now they're OP
2) They took that Elachi proc out of a lockout period. Well, now CrtDx2 and x3 are selling very well and being used to BO people left and right
3) There were already very effective vapers in the game, now they're extra effective.
This needs to be rolled back. Bring back some sanity into the game. I'm staying away from PvP matches until something is adjusted here.
Oh, FFS, I don't bother checking the forums or logging in for a couple of days, and look what happens. My only chance to defend against this thing now is to crank up my resistance to insane levels permanently, or crank up defense to insane levels so that it doesn't hit.
Honestly, yes, it'll help Cruisers and Sci Vessels that could never crank up their BOs. But what pushes mediocre to viable also pushes viable to insane.
Honestly, 100% crit would be bad enough. But no weapons drain either? Was the Motivation fiasco and the Romulan bridge officer crit bonus not enough to show that messing with crit rates is a generally bad idea?
Also, torps get shafted. THY already has chances to miss half its shots. I want 100% crit on those too. I also want unlock of torp shared CD. After all, a single BO outdoes a 4x torp volley in one hit, so why not unlock that?
Or both. Or in other words, the things you had to do anyways if you cared about surviving in PvP.
Fair enough. Correct, but turned up to 11. Oh well, I'm just a pug anyways, and the game isn't balanced for such play.
I'm just worried about how much easier it will make things for vapers. Urgh, I have no idea whether this will make things better or worse, but.....argh, never mind, forget I said anything.
For the record, what is your preferred ship type in PvP? It doesn't happen, by any chance, to be a low-hitpoint vessel with no armor?
The reason you don't see many of the same faces here giving you a hard time soph. Is simple, people are sort of sick of having to either fly cloaked or in 50k hull boring slow boat ships.
Just when sci was getting settled into a good place Cryptic goes and cranks up the gank to make sure we get back in our rom ships. Its a moronic change and I am sure you are aware of that.
Sure if your going to stay and try to PvP you are going to have to find a way around it. To be honest I don't care... sure I have plenty of carriers and stupid cruisers I could strap 5 armour units on. I think I will do one better though and log in now and then to say hit to STO friends... and log the majority of my game time somewhere else. Don't worry though I'll make sure to pop back here, even if its just to say hi to my friend soph.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJrplCwXB8Y&feature=youtu.be
The carnage! Ahahaha!
Man, I'll be on Risa until this storm blows over.
*wipes tear from eye*
Ah, hilarious.
they should delete the joke they call pvp so new people dont get to try it.The devs and their wannabe game designer are a insult to anyone who spent money in this game.
The pvp community says 1 thing .....the people who never played pvp (aka devs) do the opposite....good job now go wonder why pvp is not played.
Btw how is that "great vaper"? ...any idiot can "vape" now.
It's Minimax. @EmoeJoe. You've seriously never heard of him?
Edit: And I don't mean great as in somehow better than any random shmoe that picks up the same gear and build. I'm talking the people well known for vaping.
You dont get it ....craptic made it so everyone can do what Mini did in the past ...that with no skill at all .All this bs when they could have kept the original design and add a PvP tutorial...not make every nOOblet who died in the tutorial an allmighty vaper.Its not about Mini ..its about that 2 days newbie who can "out skill" you who played for years.
I do get it. You don't get what I'm saying. Reread the post you quoted: I am talking about great as in reputation.
Beam Overload Crit Chance by 100%??? No Drain???:eek: Cryptic really that's your serious? No, or???
I can't belive it!!!
Its a Joke or???
I think that Game has an very intressting PVP Part one of the Best, but your Company don't see it.... a pity.:(
I hope you make erase this Part from the Patch in the next Days... its better for this Game.
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Its not that they dont see it ,is that they refuse to even try it.The way space pvp works is almost a gold mine if you get people to learn it...instead they change it so people dont need to learn it .
maybe not all of you are flat lined in the head... but I will say with all the problems and bad decisions made as of late, some of your peers are creating that soundbite, and making it legit.. maybe its time for you guys to inner office team up and elevate the ones who are lowering the standard???
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It is very inappropriate!
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lol.
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
Go thank Geko for that because he was QQing about cannons being "OP" .
Before the patch:
- BO1: 13.1k
- BO2: 17.2k
- BO3: 23.6k
(Based on averages over 14433 / 39785 / 112293 hits; this is a mix of regular shots and crits.)After the patch:
- BO1: 18.3k (+39.7%)
- BO2: 23.6k (+37.2%)
- BO3: 31.4k (+33.1%)
(Based on averages over 197 / 101 / 566 hits and thus still a bit volatile, but stabilising.)Elite Romulan Drone Ship, I'm looking at you.
On a positive note..
Making pets outside of meshweavers and danubes useful is a good thing.
Doing this takes away the opness of ROMs in one fell swoop..this is massive!
The tier 4 ROM traits are an option.. I already ran secondary shielding before the patch..now it works wonders.
Marion is no longer a ec gate for new players.
Exploiters have a use...
Overall I'm OK with it but I think this 25% base damage drop should be more like 30%.
PS..shouldn't my gurumba javelin not drain weapon power now? It still does? Bug?
Honestly, yes, it'll help Cruisers and Sci Vessels that could never crank up their BOs. But what pushes mediocre to viable also pushes viable to insane.
Honestly, 100% crit would be bad enough. But no weapons drain either? Was the Motivation fiasco and the Romulan bridge officer crit bonus not enough to show that messing with crit rates is a generally bad idea?
Also, torps get shafted. THY already has chances to miss half its shots. I want 100% crit on those too. I also want unlock of torp shared CD. After all, a single BO outdoes a 4x torp volley in one hit, so why not unlock that?
Fair enough. Correct, but turned up to 11. Oh well, I'm just a pug anyways, and the game isn't balanced for such play.
I'm just worried about how much easier it will make things for vapers. Urgh, I have no idea whether this will make things better or worse, but.....argh, never mind, forget I said anything.
Oh, and thanks for the catch.
@40% ...yea slighly changed...
btw this is not the pve forum.Now take your toy and go kill borgs.
See that short bus over there? That where you belong. And have belonged for the past few years.
The reason you don't see many of the same faces here giving you a hard time soph. Is simple, people are sort of sick of having to either fly cloaked or in 50k hull boring slow boat ships.
Just when sci was getting settled into a good place Cryptic goes and cranks up the gank to make sure we get back in our rom ships. Its a moronic change and I am sure you are aware of that.
Sure if your going to stay and try to PvP you are going to have to find a way around it. To be honest I don't care... sure I have plenty of carriers and stupid cruisers I could strap 5 armour units on. I think I will do one better though and log in now and then to say hit to STO friends... and log the majority of my game time somewhere else. Don't worry though I'll make sure to pop back here, even if its just to say hi to my friend soph.