Check this out. After reading a message I have become even more shocked. Something said Cryptic is Nerfing Romulans.
I have been testing Tribbles. I noticed that if you are a Romulan player and you have Romulan officers they don't count for anything anymore. Even if you spent hours upon hours grinding for energy credits, fleet marks, dilithium or whatever for them. Cryptic is really saying TRIBBLE you players with this reputation system and now more Nerfing.
For all the cry babxxx, who said Romulans needed to get Nerfed. I spenta lot of time with players in PVP including Federation and Klingons. Romulans can be beaten with all the bonuses they have. Klingons can beat Romulans. Federations can beat Romulans especially Scimitars. If people just got off their behinds and learned the game, maybe they would stop complaining about OP over powered players. Some players spend years building up skills. Out of players whining Cryptic is taking it all away. The hundrends of hours learning mechanics, learning about builds, testing, testing and more testing. Many of our crews died for us and sacrifaced their digital lives.
This is total BS. Cryptic is catering to instant gratification players which is stupid. If I'm BS look at these screen shots from Tribble. Watch Romulans should start complaining wanting Fed BOFF not to have leadership traits.
Check this out. After reading a message I have become even more shocked. Something said Cryptic is Nerfing Romulans.
I have been testing Tribbles. I noticed that if you are a Romulan player and you have Romulan officers they don't count for anything anymore. Even if you spent hours upon hours grinding for energy credits, fleet marks, dilithium or whatever for them. Cryptic is really saying TRIBBLE you players with this reputation system and now more Nerfing.
For all the cry babxxx, who said Romulans needed to get Nerfed. I spenta lot of time with players in PVP including Federation and Klingons. Romulans can be beaten with all the bonuses they have. Klingons can beat Romulans. Federations can beat Romulans especially Scimitars. If people just got off their behinds and learned the game, maybe they would stop complaining about OP over powered players. Some players spend years building up skills. Out of players whining Cryptic is taking it all away. The hundrends of hours learning mechanics, learning about builds, testing, testing and more testing. Many of our crews died for us and sacrifaced their digital lives.
This is total BS. Cryptic is catering to instant gratification players which is stupid. If I'm BS look at these screen shots from Tribble. Watch Romulans should start complaining wanting Fed BOFF not to have leadership traits.
Why do people get so scared? We all have been though many of buffs and nerfs. Just roll with it.. Zen out man..
Btw, Dave's not here man. :cool:
Agree on the latter post. But sorry not rolling with it. Cryptic messed with something I spent hundreds of hours to get especially the passive skills and the bridge officers. So, sorry, no zen or balancing on this one.
It's total BS. I want the developers to spend hundreds of hours building up a player/character becoming a extension of themselves and then have it stripped from them.
Agree on the latter post. But sorry not rolling with it. Cryptic messed with something I spent hundreds of hours to get especially the passive skills and the bridge officers. So, sorry, no zen or balancing on this one.
It's total BS. I want the developers to spend hundreds of hours building up a player/character becoming a extension of themselves and then have it stripped from them.
It's ok, there are other games for you out there. Just stop thinking of yourself, you are not the only one that has spent hours on things.. Remember what happened to the Dread when it got nerfed? It's a game.. punch your computer all you want, it won't change a thing.
if they listen to you guys we will have nothing left to look forward too except for the new paint job. (Flash Mob of Nerfers) Why is it so difficult for you to allow others to enjoy the game the way it was designed, when something helpful is added...why mess up the fun and achevements of others? Im just not understanding this at all, if its meant as a joke, let cryptic know it before they take an axe to the works!
It's ok, there are other games for you out there. Just stop thinking of yourself, you are not the only one that has spent hours on things.. Remember what happened to the Dread when it got nerfed? It's a game.. punch your computer all you want, it won't change a thing.
Pugs are still god awful and take way too long to complete content.
Good players are good and steam roll existing content.
Both pugs and good players are playing on the same difficulty level.
Make a new difficulty level that is harder, and restrict it to private queues.
Good players will do the harder difficulty level because they don't pug often, desire a challenge, and desire the potential rewards that would accompany a higher difficulty.
Pugs will still pug at the difficulty level they can queue at, or they will become better players, stop pugging, and run with fleet mates or stf channels.
Adding a new difficulty level, which wouldn't affect the average player that public queues instead of private queues, would go over much smoother for all involved. Also the average player who only public queues could possibly never even realize the higher difficulty level since it just doesn't concern them.
The added difficulty level could be scaled each season, or each half season if they continue to go down that route, to provide a scaling difficulty level.
Rep passives could continue to be unlimited in nature, existing ones could be left alone, and players would have incentive to run future reputation systems.
Currently, without new stellar passives or gear, that far out preforms what I currently have, there is no reason to run a single future reputation system.
Adding such stellar passives and gear, would defeat the purpose of your reputation revamp in the first place, since it would create further power creep.
It's ok, there are other games for you out there. Just stop thinking of yourself, you are not the only one that has spent hours on things.. Remember what happened to the Dread when it got nerfed? It's a game.. punch your computer all you want, it won't change a thing.
Its funny you say that, because it was self serving complaints from ones like you that are attacking others and their work. There wouldnt even be words about it if people concerned themselves with their own business and just let people enjoy the game.
EDIT: I also like the fleet elite hand phaser look for Caitian Picards TNG theme, its closer to a hand phaser on the shows....the dustbusters they had since the beginning are beyond lame, and i was glad to see the art finally replaced. They arent really that powerful but they look good and are better then using the starting one as I did before, to RP my toon in missions.
Its funny you say that, because it was self serving complaints from ones like you that are attacking others and their work. There wouldnt even be words about it if people concerned themselves with their own business and just let people enjoy the game.
EDIT: I also like the fleet elite hand phaser look for Caitian Picards TNG theme, its closer to a hand phaser on the shows....the dustbusters they had since the beginning are beyond lame, and i was glad to see the art finally replaced. They arent really that powerful but they look good and are better then using the starting one as I did before, to RP my toon in missions.
Whoa! you got it wrong.. never complained.. figure I would put in my 2 cents after the fact they are doing it and let the whiners keep whining..
BTW DEVS, I want a Caitian head mounted in my ready room. :P
You sound like it. Probably one of the people complaining about power creep without even learning game mechanics, putting in the time to rank up the reputation system, or even making a decent build to go against Romulans.
You sound like it. Probably one of the people complaining about power creep without even learning game mechanics, putting in the time to rank up the reputation system, or even making a decent build to go against Romulans.
I would read back but honestly I see a whole bunch of upset people and logging on I am seeing fleets becoming inactive because of this upcoming change.
All I see is, Cryptic ignoring some of the player base to make others happy. Just because their lack of competence of updating this outdated non-scalable game engine.
Anyway, back to Second Life. I want to do some 3D modeling, game engine asset creation, and maybe some coding if I get the chance. Since, I will not be on STO tonight knowing the upcoming changes.
I would read back but honestly I see a whole bunch of upset people and logging on I am seeing fleets becoming inactive because of this upcoming change.
All I see is, Cryptic ignoring some of the player base to make others happy. Just because their lack of competence of updating this outdated non-scalable game engine.
To bad then, I won't repeat myself.
This is an ever evolving game. Should have known that. If you lay stagnit and only cater to long time players, like myself, the game will die. No one wants that. If you want a new game engine then this STO will be gone and you would have to start fresh on a new updated one. See my point? My ships and toons have been nerfed, buffed, redone. just roll with it or find another game.
Let the Whiners whine.. they are weak. I look forward to see what goes on and eventually see if they add the Iconians in.
This is an ever evolving game. Should have known that. If you lay stagnit and only cater to long time players, like myself, the game will die. No one wants that. If you want a new game engine then this STO will be gone and you would have to start fresh on a new updated one. See my point? My ships and toons have been nerfed, buffed, redone. just roll with it or find another game.
Let the Whiners whine.. they are weak. I look forward to see what goes on and eventually see if they add the Iconians in.
There is a difference between a gaming going forwards or backwards. Sadly, it looks like it's going forward but it's going backwards.
Cryptic already mentioned this game engine is not scalable. They also won't make new content that will match the number of reputations systems they have. Honestly, the Borg should be harder. One cube technically took out whole fleets of ships. Undine was just as hard.
If STO Evolved
1. The Borg and Undine should be difficult to beat even on elite. The Tactical Cube and Unimatrix should almost be unstoppable. The same as Undine. There should be appearances of a super faction Iconians.
2. PVP matchup's should be level matching. Now skill matching, there shouldn't be.
3. There would be a fleet holding for a colony. The fleet would be able to choose a fleet base location.
4. Once a fleet project becomes top Tier everything. They should have a final tier project to become part of STO map.
5. Additionally, fleet project colonies should open up unchartered territory.
6. There should be a higher elite difficulty.
So, yes. Evolving, I can see that. Change TRIBBLE players, no. I cannot accept. So, Cryptic had this for 3 years +.
They didn't have the foresight to start building a more evolved game engine years ago and start beta testing a core of a new system two years ago.
They really need to learn from Eve Online. Making more evolved changes would require players to build up the reputatoin system.
If the Borg was as powerful as they should be the passive skills would be needed. Not 4 passive skills.
This is an ever evolving game. Should have known that. If you lay stagnit and only cater to long time players, like myself, the game will die. No one wants that. If you want a new game engine then this STO will be gone and you would have to start fresh on a new updated one. See my point? My ships and toons have been nerfed, buffed, redone. just roll with it or find another game.
Let the Whiners whine.. they are weak. I look forward to see what goes on and eventually see if they add the Iconians in.
I imagine if there are still players by this time next year we will probably be fighting Dr whileys machines and flying in the latest none trek ship. The new changes are for the new players, the old players dont seem to have a say in any of it.
My mission to save the game is growing really grave, what will they hit us with next? It feels like they are hoping to run off the people who have been here for a long time, because the new ones will be easier to control and bribe, accepting anything they set in front of them.
I have a solution that will keep everyone happy even Cryptic. Keep all reps and passives as they are now. Make the new reps all about gear and doffs. No new passives or traits. Let me use the Dyson rep as an example.
T1- unlock rep specific Doffs ground/space (like voth tooled to fighting Voth), rep uni console.
T2 - unlock rep deflector, rep ground weapon, rep store sci consules
T3 - unlock rep eng, torp, ground armor, rep store eng consoles
T4 - unlock rep shield ground/space, space weapon, rep store weapons/tac consules
T5 - unlock rep boff, rep ship (like the dyson event ship), sing/warp core.
This means no one looses anything, no new power creep, there is incentive to do the reps. People would gladly pay for more new doff, boff, ship slots. C-Store ship variants. No major server overhaul. It is simple and perfect.
No. I just don't like how he used the term. He was saying it to be mean and demoralizing.
Mean and...
Okay, seriously: Back away from the computer and take a good long look at yourself. If you're getting that upset over a common phrase, then either you've hooked onto things way too seriously or I'm starting to think you're just a troll. I'm hoping it's the latter, seriously, because a lot of this stuff is seriously getting out of hand.
There is a difference between a gaming going forwards or backwards. Sadly, it looks like it's going forward but it's going backwards.
Cryptic already mentioned this game engine is not scalable. They also won't make new content that will match the number of reputations systems they have. Honestly, the Borg should be harder. One cube technically took out whole fleets of ships. Undine was just as hard.
If STO Evolved
1. The Borg and Undine should be difficult to beat even on elite. The Tactical Cube and Unimatrix should almost be unstoppable. The same as Undine. There should be appearances of a super faction Iconians.
2. PVP matchup's should be level matching. Now skill matching, there shouldn't be.
3. There would be a fleet holding for a colony. The fleet would be able to choose a fleet base location.
4. Once a fleet project becomes top Tier everything. They should have a final tier project to become part of STO map.
5. Additionally, fleet project colonies should open up unchartered territory.
6. There should be a higher elite difficulty.
So, yes. Evolving, I can see that. Change TRIBBLE players, no. I cannot accept. So, Cryptic had this for 3 years +.
They didn't have the foresight to start building a more evolved game engine years ago and start beta testing a core of a new system two years ago.
They really need to learn from Eve Online. Making more evolved changes would require players to build up the reputatoin system.
If the Borg was as powerful as they should be the passive skills would be needed. Not 4 passive skills.
That would require... *gasp* a lot of work! Cryptic do not like that much work!
Their "oooh but new players" argument is invalid. Why?
Because....new players dont know about reputation system. Do you really think they'll research up the game's reputation system before deciding to play? They'll either like the game due to its early level mechanics, or they wont and they wont ever get to level 50 to begin with.
They say new players got it too hard to get reputations done. Than make the reputations easier to do, DUH! Not nerf it..... le sigh.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
This is an ever evolving game. Should have known that. If you lay stagnit and only cater to long time players, like myself, the game will die. No one wants that. If you want a new game engine then this STO will be gone and you would have to start fresh on a new updated one. See my point? My ships and toons have been nerfed, buffed, redone. just roll with it or find another game.
Let the Whiners whine.. they are weak. I look forward to see what goes on and eventually see if they add the Iconians in.
Cryptic already mentioned this game engine is not scalable.
What? When did they say that, and what did they actually say?
They said they weren't going to build a new engine. They are not going to drastically change how the game works. They said that they have to maintain a certain degree of backward compatibility, and by inference their core code has to be compatible across all of the Cryptic games.
But I've never heard them say that the code is static and can't be changed.
If STO Evolved
1. The Borg and Undine should be difficult to beat even on elite. The Tactical Cube and Unimatrix should almost be unstoppable. The same as Undine. There should be appearances of a super faction Iconians.
I can agree with this, but the only thing that this has to do with game evolution is adjusting Borg and Undine for balance and power creep.
The other points you made are subjective... they are certainly not required to evolve the game, they're just examples of changes you'd like to see.
Consider that the same core game engine is running three different games, not to mention anything they might have in development. Gameplay is similar, but not identical.
Comparing that to something like EVE, which has an engine that only needs to support one game, is comparing apples to oranges. I imagine if you tried to port that code (EVE) over to a different game, it would be a trainwreck worse than Cryptic's worst nightmare (Season 4).
Cryptic's code is certainly not without its' issues, but it is versatile and they're constantly improving it across three different games. I'm not going to get into a debate about whether that qualifies as 'evolution'.
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Why do people get so scared? We all have been though many of buffs and nerfs. Just roll with it.. Zen out man..
Btw, Dave's not here man. :cool:
I agree with you, remove all BO3 BOFFs... oh that will include every faction to be fair. :P
People are saying it's a bug. Don't get your underwear in a bunch.
Agree on the latter post. But sorry not rolling with it. Cryptic messed with something I spent hundreds of hours to get especially the passive skills and the bridge officers. So, sorry, no zen or balancing on this one.
It's total BS. I want the developers to spend hundreds of hours building up a player/character becoming a extension of themselves and then have it stripped from them.
Sexist. Really. You had to go there.
It's ok, there are other games for you out there.
WHAT. Oy...
No sexist.
Good players are good and steam roll existing content.
Both pugs and good players are playing on the same difficulty level.
Make a new difficulty level that is harder, and restrict it to private queues.
Good players will do the harder difficulty level because they don't pug often, desire a challenge, and desire the potential rewards that would accompany a higher difficulty.
Pugs will still pug at the difficulty level they can queue at, or they will become better players, stop pugging, and run with fleet mates or stf channels.
Adding a new difficulty level, which wouldn't affect the average player that public queues instead of private queues, would go over much smoother for all involved. Also the average player who only public queues could possibly never even realize the higher difficulty level since it just doesn't concern them.
The added difficulty level could be scaled each season, or each half season if they continue to go down that route, to provide a scaling difficulty level.
Rep passives could continue to be unlimited in nature, existing ones could be left alone, and players would have incentive to run future reputation systems.
Currently, without new stellar passives or gear, that far out preforms what I currently have, there is no reason to run a single future reputation system.
Adding such stellar passives and gear, would defeat the purpose of your reputation revamp in the first place, since it would create further power creep.
Its funny you say that, because it was self serving complaints from ones like you that are attacking others and their work. There wouldnt even be words about it if people concerned themselves with their own business and just let people enjoy the game.
EDIT: I also like the fleet elite hand phaser look for Caitian Picards TNG theme, its closer to a hand phaser on the shows....the dustbusters they had since the beginning are beyond lame, and i was glad to see the art finally replaced. They arent really that powerful but they look good and are better then using the starting one as I did before, to RP my toon in missions.
Whoa! you got it wrong.. never complained.. figure I would put in my 2 cents after the fact they are doing it and let the whiners keep whining..
BTW DEVS, I want a Caitian head mounted in my ready room. :P
What are you on about. It's a common phrase, used to describe people (of both sexes) getting wound up about something. Nothing sexist about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jnaC-TxQbc
You can grow up now.
Make me! I'm a damn Toys R' Us kid. :P
You sound like it. Probably one of the people complaining about power creep without even learning game mechanics, putting in the time to rank up the reputation system, or even making a decent build to go against Romulans.
Try reading back a little.. might help you.
I would read back but honestly I see a whole bunch of upset people and logging on I am seeing fleets becoming inactive because of this upcoming change.
All I see is, Cryptic ignoring some of the player base to make others happy. Just because their lack of competence of updating this outdated non-scalable game engine.
Anyway, back to Second Life. I want to do some 3D modeling, game engine asset creation, and maybe some coding if I get the chance. Since, I will not be on STO tonight knowing the upcoming changes.
To bad then, I won't repeat myself.
This is an ever evolving game. Should have known that. If you lay stagnit and only cater to long time players, like myself, the game will die. No one wants that. If you want a new game engine then this STO will be gone and you would have to start fresh on a new updated one. See my point? My ships and toons have been nerfed, buffed, redone. just roll with it or find another game.
Let the Whiners whine.. they are weak. I look forward to see what goes on and eventually see if they add the Iconians in.
There is a difference between a gaming going forwards or backwards. Sadly, it looks like it's going forward but it's going backwards.
Cryptic already mentioned this game engine is not scalable. They also won't make new content that will match the number of reputations systems they have. Honestly, the Borg should be harder. One cube technically took out whole fleets of ships. Undine was just as hard.
If STO Evolved
1. The Borg and Undine should be difficult to beat even on elite. The Tactical Cube and Unimatrix should almost be unstoppable. The same as Undine. There should be appearances of a super faction Iconians.
2. PVP matchup's should be level matching. Now skill matching, there shouldn't be.
3. There would be a fleet holding for a colony. The fleet would be able to choose a fleet base location.
4. Once a fleet project becomes top Tier everything. They should have a final tier project to become part of STO map.
5. Additionally, fleet project colonies should open up unchartered territory.
6. There should be a higher elite difficulty.
So, yes. Evolving, I can see that. Change TRIBBLE players, no. I cannot accept. So, Cryptic had this for 3 years +.
They didn't have the foresight to start building a more evolved game engine years ago and start beta testing a core of a new system two years ago.
They really need to learn from Eve Online. Making more evolved changes would require players to build up the reputatoin system.
If the Borg was as powerful as they should be the passive skills would be needed. Not 4 passive skills.
Am... am I being weird by wearing underwear?
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I imagine if there are still players by this time next year we will probably be fighting Dr whileys machines and flying in the latest none trek ship. The new changes are for the new players, the old players dont seem to have a say in any of it.
My mission to save the game is growing really grave, what will they hit us with next? It feels like they are hoping to run off the people who have been here for a long time, because the new ones will be easier to control and bribe, accepting anything they set in front of them.
ARC controlled future of STO
No. I just don't like how he used the term. He was saying it to be mean and demoralizing.
T1- unlock rep specific Doffs ground/space (like voth tooled to fighting Voth), rep uni console.
T2 - unlock rep deflector, rep ground weapon, rep store sci consules
T3 - unlock rep eng, torp, ground armor, rep store eng consoles
T4 - unlock rep shield ground/space, space weapon, rep store weapons/tac consules
T5 - unlock rep boff, rep ship (like the dyson event ship), sing/warp core.
This means no one looses anything, no new power creep, there is incentive to do the reps. People would gladly pay for more new doff, boff, ship slots. C-Store ship variants. No major server overhaul. It is simple and perfect.
Mean and...
Okay, seriously: Back away from the computer and take a good long look at yourself. If you're getting that upset over a common phrase, then either you've hooked onto things way too seriously or I'm starting to think you're just a troll. I'm hoping it's the latter, seriously, because a lot of this stuff is seriously getting out of hand.
That would require... *gasp* a lot of work! Cryptic do not like that much work!
Their "oooh but new players" argument is invalid. Why?
Because....new players dont know about reputation system. Do you really think they'll research up the game's reputation system before deciding to play? They'll either like the game due to its early level mechanics, or they wont and they wont ever get to level 50 to begin with.
They say new players got it too hard to get reputations done. Than make the reputations easier to do, DUH! Not nerf it..... le sigh.
This is just a response to the evolving game line
What? When did they say that, and what did they actually say?
They said they weren't going to build a new engine. They are not going to drastically change how the game works. They said that they have to maintain a certain degree of backward compatibility, and by inference their core code has to be compatible across all of the Cryptic games.
But I've never heard them say that the code is static and can't be changed.
Not sure what you mean by that.
I can agree with this, but the only thing that this has to do with game evolution is adjusting Borg and Undine for balance and power creep.
The other points you made are subjective... they are certainly not required to evolve the game, they're just examples of changes you'd like to see.
Consider that the same core game engine is running three different games, not to mention anything they might have in development. Gameplay is similar, but not identical.
Comparing that to something like EVE, which has an engine that only needs to support one game, is comparing apples to oranges. I imagine if you tried to port that code (EVE) over to a different game, it would be a trainwreck worse than Cryptic's worst nightmare (Season 4).
Cryptic's code is certainly not without its' issues, but it is versatile and they're constantly improving it across three different games. I'm not going to get into a debate about whether that qualifies as 'evolution'.
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