I'm stating that I support Arc. I'm not telling you that you should like it too.
Better change your sig then.
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
I don't know if this is megatrolling or sarcasm, but there is nothing compact or efficient about ARC.
Takes multiple steps to get into STO with ARC, compared to just a double click with the existing launcher. And it hogs computer memory and bandwidth, which discriminates people who aren't wealthy enough own high end gaming rigs or lucky enough to have an ISP with unlimited bandwidth.
This is why the player base should not sell out to arc for any price. It is bloatware plain and simple the game will lag more than it already does.
A TIME TO SEARCH: ENTER MY FOUNDRY MISSION at the RISA SYSTEM Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
I've yet to encounter a person with a "No to Arc" sig deny that they think that others should dislike Arc.
Clearly one side of this argument has reason and logic on their side.
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
I don't think that others should like Arc, I'm just pointing out possible points where Arc could be a good influence on the game.
I think it's time to give up the ghost. They're not going to listen to you. You could list out miracles that it could perform and they're ultimately not going to bite. These are going to be the guys who ended their time on a game because they don't want to download another program or are horribly misinformed on it and refuse to believe otherwise.
Me? I got Arc. I got Steam. I really don't care about either, I just want to play Star Trek.
The way I see it, Arc is a good thing for the game and PWE games in general. It will make things much more compact and efficient. I also love the interface, it only needs to be a little more structured. I love how the news is represented. I can't wait for all PWE games to be combined in to Arc.
You blew it the moment you mentioned Arc would be "a good thing for the game and PWE games in general." See, that's the sales department pitch; and you blew your cover with it, as no regular poster would ever try and sell Arc as being good for 'PWE games in general.' Some ppl have argued it's lightweight, or doesnt take up as much resources as others have claimed, etc. But what all legit pro-Arc arguments have in common, is that they reason from STO, as that's the game bonafide posters are playing here. So, when you touted the generic PWE promo, it was glaringly obvious you were just PWE's stooge.
PWE should get a refund from you. Or hire me to do their Arc promo, LOL, as I would certainly do a much better job of it than you did. Too bad I don't like Arc, and have principles that prevent me from lending myself for such services.
You blew it the moment you mentioned Arc would be "a good thing for the game and PWE games in general." See, that's the sales department pitch; and you blew your cover with it, as no regular poster would ever try and sell Arc as being good for 'PWE games in general.' Some ppl have argued it's lightweight, or doesnt take up as much resources as others have claimed, etc. But what all legit pro-Arc arguments have in common, is that they reason from STO, as that's the game bonafide posters are playing here. So, when you touted the generic PWE promo, it was glaringly obvious you were just PWE's stooge.
PWE should get a refund from you. Or hire me to do their Arc promo, LOL, as I would certainly do a much better job of it than you did. Too bad I don't like Arc, and have principles that prevent me from lending myself for such services.
I don't work for Cryptic or PWE. I was just trying to state my support for Arc. My sig was just to state my support. It wasn't MEANT to be taken literally. I still encourage anyone who supports Arc to post about it here.
I tried ARC. I didn't notice a decrees in my system performance while it was running, though I have resources to spare.
It added a plug-in to my web browser, which I was not happy about and promptly removed. Maybe it warned me about it in the agreements during instillation, I can't remember.
Honestly, I just don't see the value added from the customer perspective. I don't play other PWE titles. I have no desire to play other PWE titles. So what does it offer me?
Really, I just see it as an advertizing bot you'd have to install and look at every time you wanted to play STO. Anything that increases the amount of advertizing I'm exposed to, relevant to my interests or not, is something that I avoid.
If PWE want's to make ARC a success, they need to add value to the customer. Not bribing them with stuff to use it, but offer some kind of utility beyond what players already have.
I don't work for Cryptic or PWE. I was just trying to state my support for Arc. My sig was just to state my support. It wasn't MEANT to be taken literally. I still encourage anyone who supports Arc to post about it here.
You were not just stating a 'pro' position. You were literally singing praises.
That would cast suspicion on you in the eyes of some on these forums.
Me personally? Your early posts in this thread, combined with your glaring sig pic, leads me to believe that you are simply a troll. The fact that you actually support, or oppose, Arc is irrelevant, You are here, doing this, to stir some s**t up for your amusement. For the "lulz", as it were.
Hello PWE and STO community,
Before I start, this is not meant to be a rant or a whine.
I'm absolutely fine if ARC stayed, however I DO NOT WANT it to become mandatory
From the discussions I've seen on the forums/ in-game, people do NOT want arc to be mandatory.
So, if anyone wants to join the boat, add in your signature 'say NO to mandatory ARC', I don't care how you add it, whether it's a meme or just a message, I don't care. If you add a link to this post, I would extremely appreciate it.
I apologise if this sound like a rant, but I, and many other people, do not want ARC to become mandatory.
And it's still looking unlikely to become mandatory soon. Maybe in the future, but you're good for a while.
My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
The reason we say "no plans" is because, like everything else in the world, things can change. That said, we are partners with Steam. It would not be very beneficial for us to remove Steam from the picture, which is why Steam support will still be a possibility once Arc launches. Everyone here that games at the office, uses Steam. It's a product we all very much like, and plan to support as long as we can.
That's not at all what I was trying to convey. I use Arc pretty much regularly here at the office and at home (and no not because I have to, I genuinely like the platform). We do however like Steam and use it just as much, hence why the option to play our games on Steam is still there.
So it doesn't look like Arc will be mandatory, but we might have the choice of only Arc or Steam.
Hello PWE and STO community,
Before I start, this is not meant to be a rant or a whine.
I'm absolutely fine if ARC stayed, however I DO NOT WANT it to become mandatory
From the discussions I've seen on the forums/ in-game, people do NOT want arc to be mandatory.
So, if anyone wants to join the boat, add in your signature 'say NO to mandatory ARC', I don't care how you add it, whether it's a meme or just a message, I don't care. If you add a link to this post, I would extremely appreciate it.
I apologise if this sound like a rant, but I, and many other people, do not want ARC to become mandatory.
Yours sincerely,
jmaster29
Oh lovely, PWE merged my thread. PUT IT BACK damn it
1. Well with Arc, if STO is already installed you shouldn't have to re-download it. It should recognize your previous install and allow you to run it through Arc. If that's not the case though (and in some instances it isn't), let us know. We're still working on ironing out all the bugs, and this one is pretty high on our list.
2. I understand your worry, but you have to look at it from a bigger perspective. Net security is a big deal, for any company dealing with net based programs, etc. This can happen to anyone, as shown by your examples. We're doing our best to prevent security breaches though.
3. Bugs on Arc are handled by a completely different team than STO bugs. The developers at Cryptic are extremely talented and work around the clock to iron out all the bugs they can. If you find a bug, submit a ticket and try to gather as much proof as you can. If possible, screenshot or record the steps on how you found this bug. This helps the developers find and squash those bugs.
STO BUGS: ill record myself trying to label my costumes and post it on youtube once i get my pc setup and download fraps again. PLus Ill show you i completed the winter food thing if its still on my list of completed missions, but the accolade remains incomplete...maybe it can help someone in the future, the ARC issues at this point no longer matters.
When i read your response during break today it blew me away. THanks, just being acknowledged during this, will due.
Hehe cheers I investigated this before and went ahead and deleted it. Thank you tho, really appreciate that.
The following code C:\...\games\Perfect World Entertainment\Arc\Plugins\npArcPluginFF.dll
I've now passed this information flagging it as a possible hijacker/mal-ware app created by PWE because of a simple fact... I did not, have not, will not, nor shall ever have given the ARC Developer Team, PWE, or anyone else associated along the process, the permission to install it in my web browser or any other web using apps at any time. The fact that it was, and it was installed by arcgames.com and PWE, without my permission makes it not only potentially spyware and adware but a possible hijacker especially in light of recent data issues in the U.S. and other sordid digital malicious acts.
Further more I will be sending an email encouraging Google, Mozilla, and Microsoft along with AVG, AVAST!, McAfee, Malware Bytes, and other such entities to be potentially if not out right flagging this web browser application as potential mal-ware.
Finally I'll be encouraging fellow users of PWE games and services to be doing the same. You refused to listen about the implementation of ARC by the consumer. Perhaps something will be heard now.
You want to install something? Ask Permission.
You want us to use ARC outside of playing the game? Then by the gods slain by Klingon Hands you will seek the users permission.
Anything else is just a crime.
That is not a hijack app, it is not malware. It allows the ARC browser to use core features of your default browser namely the HTML5 and flash function so videos can play within the ARC client. Everyone that is complaining about the plugin and about ARC are just making yourself look like fools. You agreed to the Terms of Service here. Therefor they can change how the game is delivered to you. Also by posting to these forums you agree to the Terms.
Not really impressed with it. It comes off as just another overlay client with some extra plugin segments. I suppose overall there's nothing wrong with it, if you don't already have a client like Steam or Origin. But if you have one, or the other it seems to be all kinds of special overkill for ARC to be there.
Really if there was one thing missing in the Steam end, it would be setting up a subscription from within Steam for STO, much like how EVE Online does it with PLEX.
I've tested Arc. Arc in itself isn't bad. The forum function is pretty nice to have ingame. However, I am one of the people that vote No to a mandatory Arc. My reasons, as also put detailled in the Feedback thread:
- It screwed up with our beautiful website
- It will force people with less-than-new computers out of the game (I had a TRIBBLE computer that would occasionally crash when running both STO and TS, imagine Arc or Steam next to that)
- We are now FORCED to test Beta software, which isn't the purpose of having Beta software. And yep, we're forced with the website
And lol that a similar thread to this one was merged with the Arcgames thread, but this one not. Trying to send a message here PWE?
Well, you're not convincing me. ARC is an unnecessary resource hog that looks ugly and unprofessional and spies on my computer. I wouldn't download it for a free Galor and 500 ZEN.
A bugship, an account-wide JHDC unlock, a thousand lobi, a free LTS, and 10,000 ZEN, though...Yeah, I'd tolerate it, and just surf nothing but TRIBBLE, and use another computer to write my novel and stuff.
I CAN be bought. But the prices that they have offered so far are laughable.
WORFFY. Firstly behave. Remember resistence is futile. ARC DOES NOT spy on your computer. You can voluntarily adjust the settings.
I tried ARC. I didn't notice a decrees in my system performance while it was running, though I have resources to spare.
It added a plug-in to my web browser, which I was not happy about and promptly removed.
That plugin that you removed you NEED. It is called playnow. and it enables the ARC client to effectively run STO, and for you to effectively run ARC through your browser. It isn't a harmful plugin, it is a very common plugin used by other gaming companies such as EA.
That plugin that you removed you NEED. It is called playnow. and it enables the ARC client to effectively run STO, and for you to effectively run ARC through your browser. It isn't a harmful plugin, it is a very common plugin used by other gaming companies such as EA.
Netflix now even uses it.
funny to me i dont need it or use it also and here i am on the forums just went to the main page also
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Better change your sig then.
If arc is so great it wouldn't need players to viral market it. Arc is one thing that might make me leave thisgame. The other is too much grinding.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
This is why the player base should not sell out to arc for any price. It is bloatware plain and simple the game will lag more than it already does.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
Like all the "Say NO to Arc" sigs?
I've yet to encounter a person with a "No to Arc" sig deny that they think that others should dislike Arc.
Clearly one side of this argument has reason and logic on their side.
I don't think that others should like Arc, I'm just pointing out possible points where Arc could be a good influence on the game.
I think it's time to give up the ghost. They're not going to listen to you. You could list out miracles that it could perform and they're ultimately not going to bite. These are going to be the guys who ended their time on a game because they don't want to download another program or are horribly misinformed on it and refuse to believe otherwise.
Me? I got Arc. I got Steam. I really don't care about either, I just want to play Star Trek.
Do they all claim they're not telling people what to do while running a signature that tells people what to do?
You know, like you're doing? :rolleyes:
Yeah, fine, it might be hypocritical. But seriously, you're splitting hairs.
Yeah, let's examine what you said:
You blew it the moment you mentioned Arc would be "a good thing for the game and PWE games in general." See, that's the sales department pitch; and you blew your cover with it, as no regular poster would ever try and sell Arc as being good for 'PWE games in general.' Some ppl have argued it's lightweight, or doesnt take up as much resources as others have claimed, etc. But what all legit pro-Arc arguments have in common, is that they reason from STO, as that's the game bonafide posters are playing here. So, when you touted the generic PWE promo, it was glaringly obvious you were just PWE's stooge.
PWE should get a refund from you. Or hire me to do their Arc promo, LOL, as I would certainly do a much better job of it than you did. Too bad I don't like Arc, and have principles that prevent me from lending myself for such services.
But seriously, hair-splitting hypocrisy is still hypocrisy.
"Remember, if you will- a shill is just a shill..."
-with apologies to Louis Armstrong for this abuse of "As Time Goes By"
I don't work for Cryptic or PWE. I was just trying to state my support for Arc. My sig was just to state my support. It wasn't MEANT to be taken literally. I still encourage anyone who supports Arc to post about it here.
It added a plug-in to my web browser, which I was not happy about and promptly removed. Maybe it warned me about it in the agreements during instillation, I can't remember.
Honestly, I just don't see the value added from the customer perspective. I don't play other PWE titles. I have no desire to play other PWE titles. So what does it offer me?
Really, I just see it as an advertizing bot you'd have to install and look at every time you wanted to play STO. Anything that increases the amount of advertizing I'm exposed to, relevant to my interests or not, is something that I avoid.
If PWE want's to make ARC a success, they need to add value to the customer. Not bribing them with stuff to use it, but offer some kind of utility beyond what players already have.
You were not just stating a 'pro' position. You were literally singing praises.
That would cast suspicion on you in the eyes of some on these forums.
Me personally? Your early posts in this thread, combined with your glaring sig pic, leads me to believe that you are simply a troll. The fact that you actually support, or oppose, Arc is irrelevant, You are here, doing this, to stir some s**t up for your amusement. For the "lulz", as it were.
Before I start, this is not meant to be a rant or a whine.
I'm absolutely fine if ARC stayed, however I DO NOT WANT it to become mandatory
From the discussions I've seen on the forums/ in-game, people do NOT want arc to be mandatory.
So, if anyone wants to join the boat, add in your signature 'say NO to mandatory ARC', I don't care how you add it, whether it's a meme or just a message, I don't care. If you add a link to this post, I would extremely appreciate it.
I apologise if this sound like a rant, but I, and many other people, do not want ARC to become mandatory.
Yours sincerely,
jmaster29
And it's still looking unlikely to become mandatory soon. Maybe in the future, but you're good for a while.
So it doesn't look like Arc will be mandatory, but we might have the choice of only Arc or Steam.
Oh lovely, PWE merged my thread. PUT IT BACK damn it
STO BUGS: ill record myself trying to label my costumes and post it on youtube once i get my pc setup and download fraps again. PLus Ill show you i completed the winter food thing if its still on my list of completed missions, but the accolade remains incomplete...maybe it can help someone in the future, the ARC issues at this point no longer matters.
When i read your response during break today it blew me away. THanks, just being acknowledged during this, will due.
The following code C:\...\games\Perfect World Entertainment\Arc\Plugins\npArcPluginFF.dll
I've now passed this information flagging it as a possible hijacker/mal-ware app created by PWE because of a simple fact... I did not, have not, will not, nor shall ever have given the ARC Developer Team, PWE, or anyone else associated along the process, the permission to install it in my web browser or any other web using apps at any time. The fact that it was, and it was installed by arcgames.com and PWE, without my permission makes it not only potentially spyware and adware but a possible hijacker especially in light of recent data issues in the U.S. and other sordid digital malicious acts.
Further more I will be sending an email encouraging Google, Mozilla, and Microsoft along with AVG, AVAST!, McAfee, Malware Bytes, and other such entities to be potentially if not out right flagging this web browser application as potential mal-ware.
Finally I'll be encouraging fellow users of PWE games and services to be doing the same. You refused to listen about the implementation of ARC by the consumer. Perhaps something will be heard now.
You want to install something? Ask Permission.
You want us to use ARC outside of playing the game? Then by the gods slain by Klingon Hands you will seek the users permission.
Anything else is just a crime.
Really if there was one thing missing in the Steam end, it would be setting up a subscription from within Steam for STO, much like how EVE Online does it with PLEX.
- It screwed up with our beautiful website
- It will force people with less-than-new computers out of the game (I had a TRIBBLE computer that would occasionally crash when running both STO and TS, imagine Arc or Steam next to that)
- We are now FORCED to test Beta software, which isn't the purpose of having Beta software. And yep, we're forced with the website
And lol that a similar thread to this one was merged with the Arcgames thread, but this one not. Trying to send a message here PWE?
Join the Deltas today!
Our completely objective mods at work, amarite?
Yes, yes they are. Especially since this thread is older than the Plea for Arc (or something like that) thread that was merged.
Hell, they even merged my detailled feedback (which wasn't all negative, but ended pretty balanced).
But to merge this thread might become a little difficult, seeing it is hitting a lot of pages.
Join the Deltas today!
WORFFY. Firstly behave. Remember resistence is futile.
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That plugin that you removed you NEED. It is called playnow. and it enables the ARC client to effectively run STO, and for you to effectively run ARC through your browser. It isn't a harmful plugin, it is a very common plugin used by other gaming companies such as EA.
Netflix now even uses it.
funny to me i dont need it or use it also and here i am on the forums just went to the main page also
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