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Re: FaW as it relates to PvP Gameplay
nebulgamnezar
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The real probleme with FAW is the DPS , i mean on single target its ok i dont see a probleme , but on multiple target it do 3 x more domage
I did a test with 4 friends , i told them to use only tac team ..
Exemple : Scimitar with ambush , Attack Patern Omega 3 , Attack Paturn Afla 3 , Emergency Power to Weapon 3 , weapon batterie with 2 boost doff (+20% domage ) , Tactical Fleet 2, Tactical Team 1 , Directed Energy Modulation 1 and Fire At Will 3
-single target : 25k DPS
- 2 target : 40k DPS
- 3 target : 60k DPS
- 4 target : 70k DPS
with healing and resist on 4 target its 30k-40k DPS
with my bug ship buffed with APO 1 ,tt 1 , alfa 3 , tac fleet and Crf 3 i do 19-20 k DPS
The real probleme i have with that is, its not logical plus its ridicoulous ... i mean its not suposed to keep the same DPS on multiple target like : i shoot 4 target exemple one of them will receive less hit and less DPS per hit , no ? ??? . Like i played for a couple of day with faw and im able to kill 3-4 medium/good player in same time ....
here is no point anymore to play a escort in PvP if the DPS from FAW on multiple target is not fixed !
I did a test with 4 friends , i told them to use only tac team ..
Exemple : Scimitar with ambush , Attack Patern Omega 3 , Attack Paturn Afla 3 , Emergency Power to Weapon 3 , weapon batterie with 2 boost doff (+20% domage ) , Tactical Fleet 2, Tactical Team 1 , Directed Energy Modulation 1 and Fire At Will 3
-single target : 25k DPS
- 2 target : 40k DPS
- 3 target : 60k DPS
- 4 target : 70k DPS
with healing and resist on 4 target its 30k-40k DPS
with my bug ship buffed with APO 1 ,tt 1 , alfa 3 , tac fleet and Crf 3 i do 19-20 k DPS
The real probleme i have with that is, its not logical plus its ridicoulous ... i mean its not suposed to keep the same DPS on multiple target like : i shoot 4 target exemple one of them will receive less hit and less DPS per hit , no ? ??? . Like i played for a couple of day with faw and im able to kill 3-4 medium/good player in same time ....
here is no point anymore to play a escort in PvP if the DPS from FAW on multiple target is not fixed !
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yes but .. why on 4 target i get 70k DPS .... and vape 3-4 guy in same time ...
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the mod just changed my title, Thx mod :P
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He means were they debuffed like as in the Dyson rep power thing.
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man they break things all the time. its really rather demoralizing.
i enjoy my faw boats, i prefer cruiser play over escorts. but i dont want to be using something broken.
the worst thing is when they 'fix' it they'll either break it in a differant way or break something else.
you know every mmo has its issues. always bugs 'n whatnot.
'n there's always players qqing about bugs 'n whatnot.
but overall, you guys are really really bad as far as how well you're able to deal with it.
you cant be any sort of hard core gamer 'n not get ticked off at this nonsense.
So yeah try testing after today's patch Zelda you should see some slight difference at least.
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There was a short period of time with the old FAW when DBB escorts where popular due to a wrong damage modifier, but even that required some piloting skill (you had to isolate a target because otherwise the random nature of FAW made it impossible to hit the intended target) and after it was fixed, FAW was good for spam clearing (back then, the only spam was mines and photonic fleet) and had its place on teams without being overpowered in any way.
Long story short: Everything was better in the good old days.
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I'm not agains't faw boats, in general there is many ways of counter them with a decent team, but those scmitars decloaking and destroying an entire team in 2 seconds is out of balance by a BIG margin.
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You're right as always and tell those damn kids TO GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
With the quartermaster Doff..battery cooldown
Gives the scinitar 125 power that doesnt drop
Add in aux to bat
add in plasmonic leach with DEM whch cycles the marion Doff
Full 125 power that doesnt drop
BFAW isnt the problem these things are the problem
Tactical players should not have access to nadon inversion beam thats a engineer skill and they get it thru the marion Doff and DEM add all the attack powers to is and its overpowered
if anything is overpowered its the marion Doff
there is nothing wrong with BFAW
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Basicly forcing people to implement torpedo's into their builds. This would get people to HAVE to trade away points in skills that buff energy weapons to maximum + heals and debuffs to maximum. At the same time you would be forced to trade away all the dps boosters directed to energy weapons. In return you would have an even larger variety of ways on how to build a fun boat.
As it is today torpedo's are basicly useless... why slot a torpedo, if you can just continue to fire with the energy weapons after shields are down?
I have a large variety of builds based on both, plasmomic leech, drain, aux2bat+marion with FAW that i utterly enjoy very much. I also have builds with DHC that are equally awesome, and i dont use torpedo's on any of them... just because its basicly pointless to waste skillpoints and console slots on torpedo damage.... when a BO3 can do the spike i need anyways...
That being said, i have to say i really dont care one way of the other, cause i will always find away to build my ships to adapt to the changes. Its also one of my larger joys in this game.
I believe the problem with energy weapons vs. torps and mines is not the (arguably) miniscule pittiance of damage energy weapons do against bare hull, but that a facing shield with a 1% sliver left is enough to fend off most of a torpedo's damage.
Shields are far to easy to keep up to force everyone to rely on torpedos to end people... all that would happen is everyone would be spamming transphasics... and when 4 or 5 people on a team do that... they are in fact pretty darn effective as it is.
Really though add the sliding torpedo shield dmg that has been talked about in many threads... where the lower your shields are the more dmg torps do to them... and make that dmg CONTINUE to the hull under a specific amount... so that a 9k torp would take that last 1k of shielding someone has and apply the 8k left to the hull.
Do that and energy dmg to hull could be halved easily.
It really isn't, I've tested it - a few times.
While the Marion DOFF has some usage in the build - you can actually remove it and see very little loss in output (again, I've tested this).
What is happening with beam arrays is that several mechanics have all aligned with power creep to create what we have.
It's not any single mechanic, although I've posted repeatedly where the devs could tune it down by quite a large portion by tweaking two specific mechanics.
Truth is:
- Cutter still procs insanely much on FaW boats, causing almost +500 drain resist for 80% uptime.
- Beams without faw can still be overcapped and still have an advantage over 45 arc weapons.
- nukara console still benefits beam / faw boats more than dhc/cannon/beam overload builds.
discuss.
Dammit!!!
why do it do more dmg ???? haha
what does FaW do whn there is only one target? im too lazy to,test myself.
On another note, i cant believe people still blame an 8 second doff (with 200 drain resist) that can be used at most for 10~ % of a minute AT MOST, assuming you have two copies of dem. or aux to bat, in which case just blame auxtobat for,being OP.
Where Cutter+borg console is the real culprit with an estimate uptime of 75% which gives +500 drain resist.
Add some broken overcapping mechanic to it and ur done (supposedly this part will be fixed now, but i doubt it)
Unfortunately too many people are confused by what they see and are blaming pretty much everything else, erroneously blaming FAW, DEM, A2B, Marion, etc.
The Nukara console is just icing on the cake, it was designed most likely with the Nukara DBB in mind - unfortunately its application is much broader and therefore more problematic.
We don't even know if the devs realize the scope and depth of the problem right now, although several of us have tried to tell them - however I doubt they'd even consider adding a +10 ACC to cannon weapons console.
They probably still think DHCs are "too good" - which hasn't been true for quite some time now.
Overcap and eps transfer will need to be incredibly high to compensate that 48 drain per cycle.
Marion will be needed by beams again, kcb 2p may find a home in every beam build as well
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