everyone needs to be runing beams though, if anyone runs beams.
eh, ive done it on my toon to wave 9 as a farm mission. 3 guys with faw 2 with csv. but yeah generally speaking its better as a 5 man faw team then a 2 or 3 since each person can cover the next.
i find it more fun using csv to be honest. i did not like the feel of it with beams. i did it in the breen ship like that and the dekora. cannons just give you that feel like your blowing TRIBBLE up. beems just feel like im bleeding you to death.
OMG, just shut up and let us all be happy with our crappy FAW, go ahead and clear the Q's with your CSV hacks.
your a moron aldo. and missed my point. like most people here did.
and im not even talking about your lame sauce pvp. im talking pve here. which you even boosted my point more. why would you not take csv into pvp? 5man faw team is ok but a 5 man csv team is not? so something is not wrong with this? dont you think csv needs to get looked at and brought up to par?
everything beam related is fine, except faw actually. 10 shots per cycle is ridiculous, and scales out of control.
Its the mechanic itself... 10 shots may work if they where not 100% going to engage all the time.
Its the way the mechanic works imo... it IS going to be firing at something the entire time. Its almost impossible to not get max out of FAW because of the super wide arc on beams and the fact that faw doesn't restrict that... and completely automates targeting.
Faw is really the only skill that claim close to perfect 100% uptime with almost no piloting required. CSV requires people to work to line up the shots... and just the nature of the imposed CSV arc its going to spend a lot of time with no add or less then optimal added targets being fired on.
Its the mechanic itself... 10 shots may work if they where not 100% going to engage all the time.
Its the way the mechanic works imo... it IS going to be firing at something the entire time. Its almost impossible to not get max out of FAW because of the super wide arc on beams and the fact that faw doesn't restrict that... and completely automates targeting.
Faw is really the only skill that claim close to perfect 100% uptime with almost no piloting required. CSV requires people to work to line up the shots... and just the nature of the imposed CSV arc its going to spend a lot of time with no add or less then optimal added targets being fired on.
1 thing to remember is that CSV has a maximum number of hits per a period of time, and you nedd a LOT of seperate targets in front of you for it to fire every single possible shot. FAW only needs 2 targts to fire its maximum number of shots. this is why CSV is 'not as good', and becase how sensitive the damage is to range. the closer you are, the smaller space targets have to possibly fit in. so at peak damage range not much can fit in front of you
No doubt you summed it up... CSV may be superior some of the time... its a rare case though. Even then its likely only going to match faw dmg. FAW just turns it on all the time. The mechanic is just completely broken.
Which is why I don't ask for a CSV buffs... last thing I want to see is Season 1 Broken CSV.
FAW itself is the issue the mechanic is bad... and it multiplys power creep... because of the 100% chance to apply 100% of all its dmg... every minor bit of creep is also going to be maximized.
its as simple as that... any % bump to dmg will effect FAW the most. Because the mechanic is packled in nature. Cryptic can NEVER EVER hope to balance it... if they manage to balance it... it will be unbalanced again by the very next item that effects dmg in anyway.
Which is why the only solution is to not nerf it ... but to delete it.
Really the only option is its removal... and replacement by another skill or by rolling say scatter volley up into the enregy wepaon AOE skill and renaming it FAW.
If people are getting 60k dps with faw scimitars in pve, then I would think they would be getting more then 40k dps with a cannon scatter volley build, if my stf runs are any indication. Just throwing that out there.
Although I know the arc issues of the weapons would come into effect muuuuuch more in pvp, still almost makes me want to try it.. maybe with a sci throwing out some strong grav wells.
No doubt you summed it up... CSV may be superior some of the time... its a rare case though. Even then its likely only going to match faw dmg. FAW just turns it on all the time. The mechanic is just completely broken.
Which is why I don't ask for a CSV buffs... last thing I want to see is Season 1 Broken CSV.
FAW itself is the issue the mechanic is bad... and it multiplys power creep... because of the 100% chance to apply 100% of all its dmg... every minor bit of creep is also going to be maximized.
its as simple as that... any % bump to dmg will effect FAW the most. Because the mechanic is packled in nature. Cryptic can NEVER EVER hope to balance it... if they manage to balance it... it will be unbalanced again by the very next item that effects dmg in anyway.
Which is why the only solution is to not nerf it ... but to delete it.
Really the only option is its removal... and replacement by another skill or by rolling say scatter volley up into the enregy wepaon AOE skill and renaming it FAW.
ive been saying make it beam rapid fire for 2 years, they really need to do it now. FAW is worse then tric mines were as far as a PVE exploit now. and PVP isn't worth the development if all you do there is die to FAW mades, and you can only try to counter FAW to win
If people are getting 60k dps with faw scimitars in pve, then I would think they would be getting more then 40k dps with a cannon scatter volley build, if my stf runs are any indication. Just throwing that out there.
Although I know the arc issues of the weapons would come into effect muuuuuch more in pvp, still almost makes me want to try it.. maybe with a sci throwing out some strong grav wells.
haha if your willing to try it sign me up. i want to know what the out come will be. and if it sucks im asking for a csv buff. and if i have to create the topic a million times over just to stay on top of the boards i will. im tired of all these nerf faw topics. i want to see buff csv.
no, you accused us of wanting it nerfed instead of CSV being tuned to match
Beams need their penalty back in place in a meaningful way, that is how I suggest bringing the 2 powers into line with each other so that captains have to make a decision
Pretty sure you're thinking of someone else, I've not said anything of the sort.
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No worries, just checking if a miswrote something that got inferred different then my intent.
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and to make claims with out proving it are not fact. its more fiction then anything else.
people use faw spam in NWS and get done in 6 mins. as an inexperienced team we did it in 7 mins something with pure csv. and we had to deal with subnuke after sub nuke spams.
claim faw is op all you want. its not based on fact till its debunked.
those tests don't apply to pvp, for a simple reason: firing arc and turn rate. If u only read raw dmg numbers, you are in the wrong subforum, try pve subforum. And since DEM is not nearly as efective with cannons as is with beams, most of your CSV damage will be absorbed by the shields
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eh, ive done it on my toon to wave 9 as a farm mission. 3 guys with faw 2 with csv. but yeah generally speaking its better as a 5 man faw team then a 2 or 3 since each person can cover the next.
i find it more fun using csv to be honest. i did not like the feel of it with beams. i did it in the breen ship like that and the dekora. cannons just give you that feel like your blowing TRIBBLE up. beems just feel like im bleeding you to death.
your a moron aldo. and missed my point. like most people here did.
and im not even talking about your lame sauce pvp. im talking pve here. which you even boosted my point more. why would you not take csv into pvp? 5man faw team is ok but a 5 man csv team is not? so something is not wrong with this? dont you think csv needs to get looked at and brought up to par?
Did I? Yes, nerf calls are present, but not one from me.
I don't think FAW is the problem, it's a multitude of things, as you said, with over-capping being at the heart of it all.
everything beam related is fine, except faw actually. 10 shots per cycle is ridiculous, and scales out of control.
Its the mechanic itself... 10 shots may work if they where not 100% going to engage all the time.
Its the way the mechanic works imo... it IS going to be firing at something the entire time. Its almost impossible to not get max out of FAW because of the super wide arc on beams and the fact that faw doesn't restrict that... and completely automates targeting.
Faw is really the only skill that claim close to perfect 100% uptime with almost no piloting required. CSV requires people to work to line up the shots... and just the nature of the imposed CSV arc its going to spend a lot of time with no add or less then optimal added targets being fired on.
yep, like i said
No doubt you summed it up... CSV may be superior some of the time... its a rare case though. Even then its likely only going to match faw dmg. FAW just turns it on all the time. The mechanic is just completely broken.
Which is why I don't ask for a CSV buffs... last thing I want to see is Season 1 Broken CSV.
FAW itself is the issue the mechanic is bad... and it multiplys power creep... because of the 100% chance to apply 100% of all its dmg... every minor bit of creep is also going to be maximized.
its as simple as that... any % bump to dmg will effect FAW the most. Because the mechanic is packled in nature. Cryptic can NEVER EVER hope to balance it... if they manage to balance it... it will be unbalanced again by the very next item that effects dmg in anyway.
Which is why the only solution is to not nerf it ... but to delete it.
Really the only option is its removal... and replacement by another skill or by rolling say scatter volley up into the enregy wepaon AOE skill and renaming it FAW.
Although I know the arc issues of the weapons would come into effect muuuuuch more in pvp, still almost makes me want to try it.. maybe with a sci throwing out some strong grav wells.
ive been saying make it beam rapid fire for 2 years, they really need to do it now. FAW is worse then tric mines were as far as a PVE exploit now. and PVP isn't worth the development if all you do there is die to FAW mades, and you can only try to counter FAW to win
haha if your willing to try it sign me up. i want to know what the out come will be. and if it sucks im asking for a csv buff. and if i have to create the topic a million times over just to stay on top of the boards i will. im tired of all these nerf faw topics. i want to see buff csv.
and own pandas with it
i remember when those so called kirkers owned some die hard pvp'ers and made them cry all the way home to the forums.........just saying
Pretty sure you're thinking of someone else, I've not said anything of the sort.
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Yeah sorry, I was talking to Broken.
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hehe, that would certainly be a possibility
those tests don't apply to pvp, for a simple reason: firing arc and turn rate. If u only read raw dmg numbers, you are in the wrong subforum, try pve subforum. And since DEM is not nearly as efective with cannons as is with beams, most of your CSV damage will be absorbed by the shields
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