Name one person who has fun from being curb stomped into the ground when having to fight a premade and I might conede your point. You get off from winning against people who can't hope to match your tactics due to just wanting to randomly play and that's bad. You should enjoy more evenly matched fights than a curb stomp.
One could counter that your argument is invalid. You can not expect success if you are unwilling to do what it takes to achieve your goal. If not getting ROFLstomped in PvP is your goal, then a team is the solution. You aren't willing to do it. You just want to punish those that have taken that step, so that your ego doesn't take another bruising.
Oh, and I don't enjoy pugstomps (Panda teams usually only queue when we spot a premade in the queues ourselves and said premade refuses to set up a private match or reply to the request at all), and I also PUG a lot myself (but I still work as a member of a team and not as an individual... it's amazing how many people are surprised when you send them a heal in a PUG match). That is why I'm on a crusade to point out that the problem isn't the premades, it's the PUGs that refuse to raise their game to the next level or admit that by "Kirking It Up" they are hindering the potential of their entire team, expecting Cryptic to change the game to appease them. Seriously, PvP can never be casual because of the competitive nature of humans. If you want casual, stay out of the queues.
Its also a matter that many more casual people that do try teamplay simply dont have the funds to get proper gear/(lockbox)ships
I have spent less than $500 in 4 years of play and that is counting 2 years of $15 per month and the few C-Store ships I bought before F2P and Lockboxes existed. Since F2P, I am in it for less than $50, my lockbox ships came from 1 of 2 places, the exchange or a gift from a friend. There are ways other than the wallet to attain things. Just Sayin'.
please consider that people dont have 100M EC for lockbox ships. some even dont have the EC for the fleet ship modules. some dont play 50h per week. just sayin
please consider that people dont have 100M EC for lockbox ships. some even dont have the EC for the fleet ship modules. some dont play 50h per week. just sayin
I am a very EC poor player myself (less than 2mill currently on all toons combined), and almost never have enough to get what I want immediately. When I want something, however, I put it the effort to make it happen. And I don't play more than 2 or 3 hours per day, lately even less. I also play WarThunder, MechWarrior and Civ5 regularly. It's not as hard as you are trying to make it out to be.
That is why I'm on a crusade to point out that the problem isn't the premades, it's the PUGs that refuse to raise their game to the next level or admit that by "Kirking It Up" they are hindering the potential of their entire team, expecting Cryptic to change the game to appease them.
When I can't rely on my "PUG" team for anything, I might as well go out in a blaze of glory. Maybe draw one of the opponents out of the security of their team spam furball and take them down with me.
When I can't rely on my "PUG" team for anything, I might as well go out in a blaze of glory. Maybe draw one of the opponents out of the security of their team spam furball and take them down with me.
*shrug*
but when you can rely on your PUG team, isn't it glorious? the queue gods smile on us all once in a while
It was my intention to bring a thought on this in here. From what i heared by old friends that play fed-side. It was not my intention to go against teamplay, if you assume this. Its a true fact that the gear-level of longstanding teamS is on an extreme high level.
However. I see i missed the point. So i am out here. Thanks for your replies!
It was my intention to bring a thought on this in here. From what i heared by old friends that play fed-side. It was not my intention to go against teamplay, if you assume this. Its a true fact that the gear-level of longstanding teamS is on an extreme high level.
However. I see i missed the point. So i am out here. Thanks for your replies!
Wit the advent of the fleet stuff, the gear is no longer out of reach from most players - Now its about how to mash it together and actually use it harmoniously to be the most effective you can be.
So the "he's got better gear" argument is becoming a mute point real fast.
Imagine if all pugs thought "team based" in an arena. By default, you would be more effective.
One could counter that your argument is invalid. You can not expect success if you are unwilling to do what it takes to achieve your goal. If not getting ROFLstomped in PvP is your goal, then a team is the solution. You aren't willing to do it. You just want to punish those that have taken that step, so that your ego doesn't take another bruising.
Oh, and I don't enjoy pugstomps (Panda teams usually only queue when we spot a premade in the queues ourselves and said premade refuses to set up a private match or reply to the request at all), and I also PUG a lot myself (but I still work as a member of a team and not as an individual... it's amazing how many people are surprised when you send them a heal in a PUG match). That is why I'm on a crusade to point out that the problem isn't the premades, it's the PUGs that refuse to raise their game to the next level or admit that by "Kirking It Up" they are hindering the potential of their entire team, expecting Cryptic to change the game to appease them. Seriously, PvP can never be casual because of the competitive nature of humans. If you want casual, stay out of the queues.
This is all pure none sense, people are asking for two different ques. One for teams, one for people pugs. So that would in no way prevent people from teaming up and playing other teams. If you can not find other teams to play, that's too bad but that doesn't mean others should be asked to be curbstomped so you have someone to play.
People play the way this wish to play it not the way you wish. There's people that want to take whatever ship they want to play. There is people that god forbid want to play a eng in pvp. Pre mades have a advantage over pugs that are going in with a random group.
Your demands amount to demanding that you have the right to pug stomp people because you enjoy pug stomping people. I am sorry if your fragile ego wouldn't be able to withstand fighting other groups that could put up a fair fight but that's not a really good reason to demand Cryptic not change things so you have pugs to stomp.
This is all pure none sense, people are asking for two different ques. One for teams, one for people pugs. So that would in no way prevent people from teaming up and playing other teams. If you can not find other teams to play, that's too bad but that doesn't mean others should be asked to be curbstomped so you have someone to play.
People play the way this wish to play it not the way you wish. There's people that want to take whatever ship they want to play. There is people that god forbid want to play a eng in pvp. Pre mades have a advantage over pugs that are going in with a random group.
Your demands amount to demanding that you have the right to pug stomp people because you enjoy pug stomping people. I am sorry if your fragile ego wouldn't be able to withstand fighting other groups that could put up a fair fight but that's not a really good reason to demand Cryptic not change things so you have pugs to stomp.
I find it very funny when people use broken bugs in the game. When they can't even take it and they know who I am talking about the fleets and the people you know who they are. They can't just take it they will always want to play dirty I will give them dirty play in pvp.:cool:
I find it very funny when people use broken bugs in the game. When they can't even take it and they know who I am talking about the fleets and the people you know who they are. They can't just take it they will always want to play dirty I will give them dirty play in pvp.:cool:
This is all pure none sense, people are asking for two different ques. One for teams, one for people pugs. So that would in no way prevent people from teaming up and playing other teams. If you can not find other teams to play, that's too bad but that doesn't mean others should be asked to be curbstomped so you have someone to play.
People play the way this wish to play it not the way you wish. There's people that want to take whatever ship they want to play. There is people that god forbid want to play a eng in pvp. Pre mades have a advantage over pugs that are going in with a random group.
Your demands amount to demanding that you have the right to pug stomp people because you enjoy pug stomping people. I am sorry if your fragile ego wouldn't be able to withstand fighting other groups that could put up a fair fight but that's not a really good reason to demand Cryptic not change things so you have pugs to stomp.
How many of them teams would actually queue up if our groups constantly queued up???
They wouldn't. It won't make a difference. I wish it would but it won't.
Perhaps I am wrong.
I wish, truely!
That said, Cryptic should focus some on the queue order of the public. If they made it easier to catch these teams... Anyway that could be an acceptable start.
Who are you that i shouldn't queue up or build an old school premade and ask some of the old guard to join?
The game lost execution pvp skill's anyway and there is no competitive scene, and can't be atm cause of the balance tweaks anyway. 2-3 Years ago was different, before it was f2p. So what you call guys premade i can't the old premades i talk about, had 3 setups, and only the a setup's used every micro second the game allowed to use for execution of tactics. And now? The server has so hard packet loss that's more about fun then skill.
All premades should be disallowed from regular queues. I doubt there are enough premades to sustain their own queues but I would give it to them anyways. Fun factor would go way up without a whole team of people coordinating cheese spam on pugs.
Then maybe people could pick up this little thing I call "skills".
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There are other games which cater perfectly to the need of some people to kirk/rambo it up. I have played such games myself. It is a lot of fun. The adrenaline rush is unbelievable. However, none of those games claimed to be an MMORPG.
There are other games which cater perfectly to the need of some people to kirk/rambo it up. I have played such games myself. It is a lot of fun. The adrenaline rush is unbelievable. However, none of those games claimed to be an MMORPG.
Battlefield bad company 2 springs to mind. A good player can make a team win and turn the tides. A good squad will dominate the game.
All premades should be disallowed from regular queues. I doubt there are enough premades to sustain their own queues but I would give it to them anyways. Fun factor would go way up without a whole team of people coordinating cheese spam on pugs.
Then maybe people could pick up this little thing I call "skills".
The problem Macronius is defining who is really a premade. Example, when you flew with and against us yesterday that wasnt really a premade team. That was us just testing setups and queuing together.
It was only 3 of us iirc. Does that constitute a premade in your view?
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I queued with Naz only one time and a HOBO on the other team accused us of being a Premade andbringing 10 healers and subsequently raged quit lolz, was literlly roflmao for quite sometime I almost Lolzquit.
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There are other games which cater perfectly to the need of some people to kirk/rambo it up. I have played such games myself. It is a lot of fun. The adrenaline rush is unbelievable. However, none of those games claimed to be an MMORPG.
You just said you can't "Kirk" in a Star Trek game.
You are Horror right? You seem to have fun pugging last I saw you in game.
Guys really, when you consider a group of people who queue together with half decent setup as premade, thats not even unfair vs pugs, atleast in the old days many got beaten by pugs who where randomized. I even remember tsi a setup beaten by 1 pug group.
The new balance just favours different setups, and the problem of so called pugs is not to be a pug or dont do a premade its more that your lineup is random, also what people will fly next to you.
Queues for premade vs premades i would be in for it, but what was a few days ago, a fs and panda premade asked for others for challenge and just 1 guy from opvp put a group up and did, while the rest even 2 premades in the queues went silent.
So when it just comes for win and kills, dont call yourself pro/elite or good pvper, its about competition but also about challenge and experience, develop new tactics, setups and now lineups and doff layouts maybe uni consoles (as long as there are defensive ones or space porters, the "cheese" ones are in my eyes allowed too). But its also about learning and get better. Yep with the reputation system and the gear gap its challenging, and sad that in pvp gear is like 40% of the outcome of dps vs heal/selfheal and dps vs dps. But common dudes, as if you cant get your balls up and your noses out of your things you sit on and drop the epenis attitude and do some nice good stuff with or without premade. And what about the "boot" camp i dont see many of us helping them :P But well some of us arent as insane as trinity is right ^^
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One could counter that your argument is invalid. You can not expect success if you are unwilling to do what it takes to achieve your goal. If not getting ROFLstomped in PvP is your goal, then a team is the solution. You aren't willing to do it. You just want to punish those that have taken that step, so that your ego doesn't take another bruising.
Oh, and I don't enjoy pugstomps (Panda teams usually only queue when we spot a premade in the queues ourselves and said premade refuses to set up a private match or reply to the request at all), and I also PUG a lot myself (but I still work as a member of a team and not as an individual... it's amazing how many people are surprised when you send them a heal in a PUG match). That is why I'm on a crusade to point out that the problem isn't the premades, it's the PUGs that refuse to raise their game to the next level or admit that by "Kirking It Up" they are hindering the potential of their entire team, expecting Cryptic to change the game to appease them. Seriously, PvP can never be casual because of the competitive nature of humans. If you want casual, stay out of the queues.
I have spent less than $500 in 4 years of play and that is counting 2 years of $15 per month and the few C-Store ships I bought before F2P and Lockboxes existed. Since F2P, I am in it for less than $50, my lockbox ships came from 1 of 2 places, the exchange or a gift from a friend. There are ways other than the wallet to attain things. Just Sayin'.
I am a very EC poor player myself (less than 2mill currently on all toons combined), and almost never have enough to get what I want immediately. When I want something, however, I put it the effort to make it happen. And I don't play more than 2 or 3 hours per day, lately even less. I also play WarThunder, MechWarrior and Civ5 regularly. It's not as hard as you are trying to make it out to be.
When I can't rely on my "PUG" team for anything, I might as well go out in a blaze of glory. Maybe draw one of the opponents out of the security of their team spam furball and take them down with me.
*shrug*
but when you can rely on your PUG team, isn't it glorious? the queue gods smile on us all once in a while
However. I see i missed the point. So i am out here. Thanks for your replies!
Coolio, thanks for your input.
So the "he's got better gear" argument is becoming a mute point real fast.
Imagine if all pugs thought "team based" in an arena. By default, you would be more effective.
How much more glorious would it be if both teams were pugs? That way the queue gods wouldn't have to smile as much on us.
Still just as likely to run into uncoordinated teams/players where 1 really good player could dominate. Still not a very appealing proposition.
This is all pure none sense, people are asking for two different ques. One for teams, one for people pugs. So that would in no way prevent people from teaming up and playing other teams. If you can not find other teams to play, that's too bad but that doesn't mean others should be asked to be curbstomped so you have someone to play.
People play the way this wish to play it not the way you wish. There's people that want to take whatever ship they want to play. There is people that god forbid want to play a eng in pvp. Pre mades have a advantage over pugs that are going in with a random group.
Your demands amount to demanding that you have the right to pug stomp people because you enjoy pug stomping people. I am sorry if your fragile ego wouldn't be able to withstand fighting other groups that could put up a fair fight but that's not a really good reason to demand Cryptic not change things so you have pugs to stomp.
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Sounds like you have personal problem.
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How many of them teams would actually queue up if our groups constantly queued up???
They wouldn't. It won't make a difference. I wish it would but it won't.
Perhaps I am wrong.
I wish, truely!
That said, Cryptic should focus some on the queue order of the public. If they made it easier to catch these teams... Anyway that could be an acceptable start.
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The game lost execution pvp skill's anyway and there is no competitive scene, and can't be atm cause of the balance tweaks anyway. 2-3 Years ago was different, before it was f2p. So what you call guys premade i can't the old premades i talk about, had 3 setups, and only the a setup's used every micro second the game allowed to use for execution of tactics. And now? The server has so hard packet loss that's more about fun then skill.
Then maybe people could pick up this little thing I call "skills".
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Battlefield bad company 2 springs to mind. A good player can make a team win and turn the tides. A good squad will dominate the game.
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The problem Macronius is defining who is really a premade. Example, when you flew with and against us yesterday that wasnt really a premade team. That was us just testing setups and queuing together.
It was only 3 of us iirc. Does that constitute a premade in your view?
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Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
- Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
You just said you can't "Kirk" in a Star Trek game.
You are Horror right? You seem to have fun pugging last I saw you in game.
The new balance just favours different setups, and the problem of so called pugs is not to be a pug or dont do a premade its more that your lineup is random, also what people will fly next to you.
Queues for premade vs premades i would be in for it, but what was a few days ago, a fs and panda premade asked for others for challenge and just 1 guy from opvp put a group up and did, while the rest even 2 premades in the queues went silent.
So when it just comes for win and kills, dont call yourself pro/elite or good pvper, its about competition but also about challenge and experience, develop new tactics, setups and now lineups and doff layouts maybe uni consoles (as long as there are defensive ones or space porters, the "cheese" ones are in my eyes allowed too). But its also about learning and get better. Yep with the reputation system and the gear gap its challenging, and sad that in pvp gear is like 40% of the outcome of dps vs heal/selfheal and dps vs dps. But common dudes, as if you cant get your balls up and your noses out of your things you sit on and drop the epenis attitude and do some nice good stuff with or without premade. And what about the "boot" camp i dont see many of us helping them :P But well some of us arent as insane as trinity is right ^^