Most people yes come here to contribute. But most dont come here because they get trolled and it always seems to be the same people. Sure my post was intended to cause you guys to come out in your forum premade and derail my post. Your fleet does it every time go look at my posts .I can tell you there are many people out there that have the same thing done to them most are banned for these troll wars against these same people but i wonder why none of them get banned. Can you look through this thread and tell me there are not 100 things that violate the rules of this forum. Ask your self this why is nothing done about it why is it fair for others to get silenced for far less then what is going on in this thread. They have basicaly silenced anyone that has an opposing opinion now the devs think these few morons left are the mouth piece for the pvp community. BITE ME. All my posts have a reason behind them. And you follow along like little puppets.
Take a look in the mirror, and you will see why the ones that get banned are the ones that get banned.
You yourself said you started with trolling in mind - see the picture yet?
Most people yes come here to contribute. But most dont come here because they get trolled and it always seems to be the same people. Sure my post was intended to cause you guys to come out in your forum premade and derail my post. Your fleet does it every time go look at my posts .I can tell you there are many people out there that have the same thing done to them most are banned for these troll wars against these same people but i wonder why none of them get banned. Can you look through this thread and tell me there are not 100 things that violate the rules of this forum. Ask your self this why is nothing done about it why is it fair for others to get silenced for far less then what is going on in this thread. They have basicaly silenced anyone that has an opposing opinion now the devs think these few morons left are the mouth piece for the pvp community. BITE ME. All my posts have a reason behind them. And you follow along like little puppets.
your quote button seems to not be working there. or you just keep quoting the wrong posts....either way its a window into an opportunity you have with communicating with people.
for all the people who tried to speak sense to the situation, you responded in conversation circles and diversions.
i suggest you look closer into the reason why you posted these thoughts in the first place.
Ah, wish I remembered to use a bit more Insane Troll Logic (tm). You aren't the only one who had fun. It would have been more fun if you took it further, though. So 7/10, maybe?
Although it's kinda funny how you spent a day off doing this stuff, though. Should study the psychology sometime. How it fits into evolutionary paradigms and such....
You had fun wasting others' time? Didn't waste mine! It is deliciously fun to dissect every little part of an argument, trollish or not, and watch the little bits squirm as they try to get away......Or tear into it like an ideological berserker....*shudders*
Anyway, I guess he either saw this as a fail thread or a troll thread......and not admitting failure would be the better option for his ego.
Failure no i think its a success it was a serious post at first until I saw the same thing happen that happens in all my threads. I mean once i saw the pandas getting so pissed i couldnt resist.
You cant tell me this thread wasnt a success just for that. Then when i saw how far they would take it i figured that there was a point to be made maybe not to their followers but the people not yet corrupted by their poison. I dont even have a premade i only pug lol.
They were willing to accept that victory and actually use that as evidence that inversion is op really i couldnt believe it. I figured they would just accept the no rules match against a pugmade on the spot. I was shocked yet pleased that they wanted to make more rules to make an already stacked match against a pugmade more stacked.
I mean wasnt your premade with inversion against a pugmade without enough i really think they were scared. I wouldnt even have hesitated to take that match if i was a premade. I would have accepted the first challenge of no rules. Do you think a pugmade with p2w consoles and a few abilities that are listed in the rules can beat the pandas.
Are you serious really a match with rules against a pugmade the almighty pandas. I thought this will go greatly with my why some premades dont do private matches anymore they couldnt even agree on terms of a match with pugmades. I dont pvp much anymore but if i had to deal with things like this trying to setup a match i think i would just q and hope to get another premade. You cant even get the pandas to not use double tap against a pugmade really. It got even better when people start wanting to watch and get fraps i thought that showed alot about their character.
So yes the origanal post was a fail i think only 2 people had an even halfway decent argument but the end to show some of the things i saw were very interesting. You dont seem like an idiot im sure you saw them to. So when i saw the thread go downhill i figured why not have some fun.
your quote button seems to not be working there. or you just keep quoting the wrong posts....either way its a window into an opportunity you have with communicating with people.
for all the people who tried to speak sense to the situation, you responded in conversation circles and diversions.
i suggest you look closer into the reason why you posted these thoughts in the first place.
i think this picture describe the situation (@ussultimatum is the one of the right)
Failure no i think its a success it was a serious post at first until I saw the same thing happen that happens in all my threads. I mean once i saw the pandas getting so pissed i couldnt resist.
You cant tell me this thread wasnt a success just for that. Then when i saw how far they would take it i figured that there was a point to be made maybe not to their followers but the people not yet corrupted by their poison. I dont even have a premade i only pug lol.
They were willing to accept that victory and actually use that as evidence that inversion is op really i couldnt believe it. I figured they would just accept the no rules match against a pugmade on the spot. I was shocked yet pleased that they wanted to make more rules to make an already stacked match against a pugmade more stacked.
I mean wasnt your premade with inversion against a pugmade without enough i really think they were scared. I wouldnt even have hesitated to take that match if i was a premade. I would have accepted the first challenge of no rules. Do you think a pugmade with p2w consoles and a few abilities that are listed in the rules can beat the pandas.
Are you serious really a match with rules against a pugmade the almighty pandas. I thought this will go greatly with my why some premades dont do private matches anymore they couldnt even agree on terms of a match with pugmades. I dont pvp much anymore but if i had to deal with things like this trying to setup a match i think i would just q and hope to get another premade. You cant even get the pandas to not use double tap against a pugmade really. It got even better when people start wanting to watch and get fraps i thought that showed alot about their character.
So yes the origanal post was a fail i think only 2 people had an even halfway decent argument but the end to show some of the things i saw were very interesting. You dont seem like an idiot im sure you saw them to. So when i saw the thread go downhill i figured why not have some fun.
i do understand why some would want to troll the pandas. top dogs get the heat...we all understand that... but if that was the intent behind your responses at any point in this conversation, again, i suggest you look inward to why you would wish to do so.
do you aim to be divisive?
your opening post communicates frustrations on many topics, all which many can relate. aimed at balance and fair play, and what we all could do to make the situation better. be it communicated rather harshly, i understood what you were saying, hence i was the first person to respond to your post. and foreshadowed the responses to come.
becoming divisive in an environment in which you would like to continue to be a part of only leads to conflict without resolution. your post in these forums tells me you would like to continue to play this part of the game, and that i applaud you for.....because it is not for the faint of heart at this time.
many of us pandas have been playing this game for many years, together. this comes with benefits but also new challenges arising weekly due to changes in the environment.
in the end, its how we represent ourselves as individuals, regardless of the fleet tag hovering over our heads.
represent your intentions well friend. or be divisive. and lay in the bed you have made for yourself.
i do understand why some would want to troll the pandas. top dogs get the heat...we all understand that... but if that was the intent behind your responses at any point in this conversation, again, i suggest you look inward to why you would wish to do so.
do you aim to be divisive?
your opening post communicates frustrations on many topics, all which many can relate. aimed at balance and fair play, and what we all could do to make the situation better. be it communicated rather harshly, i understood what you were saying, hence i was the first person to respond to your post. and foreshadowed the responses to come.
becoming divisive in an environment in which you would like to continue to be a part of only leads to conflict without resolution. your post in these forums tells me you would like to continue to play this part of the game, and that i applaud you for.....because it is not for the faint of heart at this time.
many of us pandas have been playing this game for many years, together. this comes with benefits but also new challenges arising weekly due to changes in the environment.
in the end, its how we represent ourselves as individuals, regardless of the fleet tag hovering over our heads.
represent your intentions well friend. or be divisive. and lay in the bed you have made for yourself.
have fun kill bad guys
Pandas best fleet in the game top dogs sounds to me like your just a puppet for the A team. You know the A team would never use you in the premade. Your just riding coat tales. Stand up and be a man on your own you dont have anything to do with pandas being a top premade so why brag. I think when someone looks away while shady things are happening in there fleet and turns a blind eye has some issues within themselves also bud. You know what im talking about like the saying goes you lay down with dogs you end up with fleas. but i guess ignorance is bliss in your case
Pandas best fleet in the game top dogs sounds to me like your just a puppet for the A team. You know the A team would never use you in the premade. Your just riding coat tales. Stand up and be a man on your own you dont have anything to do with pandas being a top premade so why brag. I think when someone looks away while shady things are happening in there fleet and turns a blind eye has some issues within themselves also bud. You know what im talking about like the saying goes you lay down with dogs you end up with fleas. but i guess ignorance is bliss in your case
Guess you are new right!
Horizon is certainly a part of the top players in the Panda fleet.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Big daddy naz finally shows his face hey naz seems like guys in your fleet are unaware that you admitted on reddit in your official statement that your premade uses a 3rd party program that is banned by cryptic.
Can you tell them the truth so they stop looking like idiots blindly defending you. Idont think they know about you admiting on someones teamspeak that the script that your fleetmate wrote had a pixel recognition command in there there were multiple people who were on teamspeak when you said it. Please inform them of these conversations and admissions so they can stop making themselves look stupid.
I don't think he was trolling at first, I think he just got caught up on the wrong side of the discussion.
And instead of just admitting he was wrong, he decided to go with a "HA HA, THOSE SILLY PANDAS!" tactic.
If you change your mind and every do want to have a go, though, please let one of us know.
If not, enjoy the game, and I look forward to seeing you in the queues.
No i decided to troll the thread when it got trolled by you noob pug stompers who were licking at the chops to pug stomp someone. Do you really think that that match would prove inversion is op if so your a moron. You idiots were so scared you couldnt even decide on rules for the match against pugs. You tried to stack the deck even more inversion the great i win button wasnt enough.
Horizon is certainly a part of the top players in the Panda fleet.
Really never sseen him in one of your premade matches i noticed something in one of your newest matches on youtube sounded like a bunch of school girls screaming on a school bus . I dont remember that much chatter in your old matches i guess when you actually have to call for heals and tac teams and nuke clears things can get pretty chaotic.
Alot harder then having your program do it for you. I wonder why pandas dont win 15 - 0 anymore coincidence . i say thats what happens when human error is added to the equation.
No i decided to troll the thread when it got trolled by you noob pug stompers who were licking at the chops to pug stomp someone. Do you really think that that match would prove inversion is op if so your a moron. You idiots were so scared you couldnt even decide on rules for the match against pugs. You tried to stack the deck even more inversion the great i win button wasnt enough.
Well, then, I apologize for any confusion that I may have caused - I was simply looking to establish a clear set of rules so that neither side could call foul play at the end of the match.
And no, we're not really looking to pugstomp anyone - if you look at various threads within the PvP forum, you'll see that there are many premade/tournament matches being set up. Furthermore, is it really a "pugstomp" if you said that you wanted to time in order to get a team together and setup? That sounds like a premade to me.
This nature of this match was for you for show us various ways to counter TIF. The counters that you yourself proposed. We simply accepted the challenge to a match when you challenged our (and I don't mean Pandas, I mean most everyone posting in this thread) belief that while those counters sound good on paper, they don't work out so well in actuality.
But, I must admit, I'm a little confused now. Are you now saying that TIF IS or ISN'T an iWin button? The OP made it sound like it was OK to be used, especially since you yourself pointed out it's many "counters." But now it sounds like you're claiming that it is indeed an iWin ability? Could you please clarify your position on that?
Really never sseen him in one of your premade matches i noticed something in one of your newest matches on youtube sounded like a bunch of school girls screaming on a school bus . I dont remember that much chatter in your old matches i guess when you actually have to call for heals and tac teams and nuke clears things can get pretty chaotic.
Alot harder then having your program do it for you. I wonder why pandas dont win 15 - 0 anymore coincidence . i say thats what happens when human error is added to the equation.
Did you ever stop to consider that so much has changed within the game and how it works between those older videos and newer ones?
And that, in a lot of times, we can see when someone needs heals? It is most certainly helpful when someone can see an Escort about to Alpha up and smash someone to call for pre-emptive heals, or when further heals beyond the initial throwout is necessary, but there are often times when you don't need to call that kind of stuff out.
Big daddy naz finally shows his face hey naz seems like guys in your fleet are unaware that you admitted on reddit in your official statement that your premade uses a 3rd party program that is banned by cryptic.
Can you tell them the truth so they stop looking like idiots blindly defending you. Idont think they know about you admiting on someones teamspeak that the script that your fleetmate wrote had a pixel recognition command in there there were multiple people who were on teamspeak when you said it. Please inform them of these conversations and admissions so they can stop making themselves look stupid.
When your ship comes under fire, and that fire is dire, it's only natural that one would begin to panic. However, that panic is very likely to get you killed. If you let that panic control you, if you allow it to dominate you, while the moment will not last long - the reason will be you're looking at a respawn button.
You may use abilities prematurely. You may spam your abilities, allowing any buffs to be stripped easily. You may lose sight of what's going on around you - you may fly right into that HY torp or DPB'd group of mines that results in your death.
The more you panic, the less you are likely to remember about what actually transpired during your death should your ship blossom into a beautiful explosion. In the hot and heavy heat of the moment, you're not going to notice everything as is - but giving into panic will blind you.
You will not learn anything. You will not have that knowledge of how to improve - how you might avoid that death in the future.
It is important never to lose your ability to anticipate - you do not want to be strictly on the defensive, running like a cornered rat. Take that quick deep breath, take in your surroundings, and take actions you believe will result in your victory.
You may still go down in a fiery blaze of glory - but you went down fighting and you may have learned what to try to do next time so they go down in a fiery blaze of glory.
If there was a public pvp Q that did not allow universal consoles would that Q be popular ?
If there was a Q that did not allow lock box ships would it be popular ? and only let you use whatever console came on that ship
I bet they would be
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
It was embarrassing. Was in Ker'rat early this morning, and I came upon somebody that continued to shoot at me. Normally what I do is enough that I can troll up to eight players, even if they have Sci with them. But this one guy was still shooting at me. I gave into panic. I have no idea what I did. Then I was dead. It was embarrassing.
I've been trying to picture it - try to play it back, like I can with so many deaths. It's like watching Thissler videos - where I believe they're not so much for folks on how to kill, but they're a means for folks who were killed to learn what they should and shouldn't try to do next time. I can usually visualize my deaths in such a manner, go ah - and - try not to do that next time or to try something else.
With this one, though, with this one I have no idea. I can't remember if I was caught blipping while healing somebody. I can't remember if I stayed on target too long, leaving myself exposed. I remember getting hit by the Viral Matrix. It dropped Aux, I cleared it, and I must have done one of the half dozen escape things I normally do.
But he was still there. I did another and another. Each time, it appeared that I had escaped - but I had not. Normally, it wouldn't have mattered - cause there's just so much I can do with that toon to avoid dying...but I don't remember. I started to panic. I died.
It was embarrassing.
Heck, I don't mind dying - it's how I learn better not to die. I have no delusions about skill or anything of the sort, I know I'm down there in the food chain. Most folks would classify me as a non-threat...a gnat. Over the weekend, I got slaughtered twice - it was epic. One was an AtB minor delayed double TS3 of Quants that ripped me apart during an extended blip (btw, Plasma Shockwave creates a pretty damn long blip - where seconds matter). The other was an awesomely timed Crescent during a blip - crit - boom!
But yeah, slipping into panic like I did - meh, I've got no idea what to try to do differently next time...didn't learn from it...it was embarrassing.
Naz are you dodging the question i asked why dont you explain to horizon and uss ultimatum what you said on teamspeak about mt script did you not show them the reddit official statement.
Well, then, I apologize for any confusion that I may have caused - I was simply looking to establish a clear set of rules so that neither side could call foul play at the end of the match.
And no, we're not really looking to pugstomp anyone - if you look at various threads within the PvP forum, you'll see that there are many premade/tournament matches being set up. Furthermore, is it really a "pugstomp" if you said that you wanted to time in order to get a team together and setup? That sounds like a premade to me.
This nature of this match was for you for show us various ways to counter TIF. The counters that you yourself proposed. We simply accepted the challenge to a match when you challenged our (and I don't mean Pandas, I mean most everyone posting in this thread) belief that while those counters sound good on paper, they don't work out so well in actuality.
But, I must admit, I'm a little confused now. Are you now saying that TIF IS or ISN'T an iWin button? The OP made it sound like it was OK to be used, especially since you yourself pointed out it's many "counters." But now it sounds like you're claiming that it is indeed an iWin ability? Could you please clarify your position on that?
Did you ever stop to consider that so much has changed within the game and how it works between those older videos and newer ones?
And that, in a lot of times, we can see when someone needs heals? It is most certainly helpful when someone can see an Escort about to Alpha up and smash someone to call for pre-emptive heals, or when further heals beyond the initial throwout is necessary, but there are often times when you don't need to call that kind of stuff out.
Praxis im sorry that you fall victim to the leaders of your fleet and your kept in the dark about things that happened in your fleet. I would have thought that you for sure knew about the reddit release in that release your fleet leader admited that your fleet uses a 3rd party program.
I used to respect you as a player but after you just blindly defending something that is public knowledge is rather embarassing. Its sad that your fleet leader will sit back and say nothing even in private and say hey yeah bud we did use that and the script is on our forums and i admitted it on reddit. Atleast then maybe you wouldnt be ruining your credibility just to be accepted into a fleet that built its name using 3rd party programs. Yes alot has changed in 2 months and its called cryptic changed the colors in there game wich made the hax tool pixel recognition not work any more. Wich leads to having to do more chatter on teamspeak wich causes more chaos like hes jumping on someone some where uhhh uhhh pressurizing him please tell naz to stop pressurizing that poor guy it sounds like that hurts. Nukes staying active for sometimes 10 seconds before clears that match was a mess. Ive seen videos from not that long ago where they were under alot more pressure then they were in the recent one. There was no where near as much chatter almost none. So yeah thats what changed pixels changed. Human error was added back in the game for the pandas and thats why there not 15 - 0 any more.
Praxis im sorry that you fall victim to the leaders of your fleet and your kept in the dark about things that happened in your fleet. I would have thought that you for sure knew about the reddit release in that release your fleet leader admited that your fleet uses a 3rd party program.
I used to respect you as a player but after you just blindly defending something that is public knowledge is rather embarassing. Its sad that your fleet leader will sit back and say nothing even in private and say hey yeah bud we did use that and the script is on our forums and i admitted it on reddit. Atleast then maybe you wouldnt be ruining your credibility just to be accepted into a fleet that built its name using 3rd party programs. Yes alot has changed in 2 months and its called cryptic changed the colors in there game wich made the hax tool pixel recognition not work any more. Wich leads to having to do more chatter on teamspeak wich causes more chaos like hes jumping on someone some where uhhh uhhh pressurizing him please tell naz to stop pressurizing that poor guy it sounds like that hurts. Nukes staying active for sometimes 10 seconds before clears that match was a mess. Ive seen videos from not that long ago where they were under alot more pressure then they were in the recent one. There was no where near as much chatter almost none. So yeah thats what changed pixels changed. Human error was added back in the game for the pandas and thats why there not 15 - 0 any more.
Hey there timejumpers
I assessed the situation as it developed and with background research believe the script released with the LOR update was to accommodate a change in the game engine and not the
implantation of the new UI
I also think only one used the more advanced features due to technical limitations in my findings
Just to clear something up my point was that it has counters alot of them. The question wasnt can a pug get the counters off against a structured premade. If a premade uses any tactic against a pug its going to win. That doesnt mean that 1 ability was the reason they won.
It was the combination of abilities that won the match so any combination of abilities used by a premade on a pug is going to be deadly inversion or no inversion does it make a pug match harder for a premade to fight pugs if they dont use these consoles no. When the pandas q up against pugs and we know they do just like every other premade.Does it take them less time to whipe the pugs no so whats the difference. If you honestly believe that a group of 4 guys with a week to setup against guys that play together every day with a 1000 variables poluting the test would prove that inversion is op then this game is doomed.
And whats even worse is that you would have used that as proof you would have told everyone you know that you proved inversion is op by beating a pugmade in an uncontrolled test match lol. I guess with tests like that i can see why there are so many rules.Pandas i ask you this even against other premades have you ever lost to a team that used inversion field just wondering.
I assessed the situation as it developed and with background research believe the script released with the LOR update was to accommodate a change in the game engine and not the
implantation of the new UI
I also think only one used the more advanced features due to technical limitations in my findings
If your talking pixel recognition aspect yes it probably wasnt the whole team using it. We know atleast 1 did and i would bet atleast 2 had pixel recognition and the whole team used the basic script for distribute and cycleing abilities wich still is against the tos.
As for there being any rules in pvp in public Queues I use the how good a player do I want to be mentality, and will decide what items I utilise based on what I?m facing.
For Example I get hit by TIF I hit my TIF
I see players casually PvPing I limit my arsenal
When I do have a casual premade I express a desire that certain items are not used and now that I think of it many of my fleeties don?t have the luxury of lobi store sets.
As for tournaments obviously if you don?t like the rules don?t play
If you feel that strongly that we are cheating, file a report with Cryptic and let them decide.
The reddit thing everyone in fleet is aware of in our fleet.
Reference the TS thing, are you referring to the same conversation where pandas were accused of being Cryptic's poster children who were given the game code to decompile and all other goodies?
Reference the big panda victories of the past and the struggling victories of current, pre LoR & fleet base stuff, the game was a known entity so it was easy to predict the metagame. There was far less power creep back then. There was no super spiking like there is now where you can get kills in less than a second. Seen the latest videos yet? Guess not....
Right now, the metagame is still being defined. There is so much new content to play with, it was almost a big reset PvP wise almost allowing PvP fleets to close the gap with each other and in some cases has done. Inner Circle vs Panda match as an example in the last tournament.
Another fact, there was only about 10 pandas who knew each other's game inside out originally. Now there is about trebble the number of active members making it harder to maintain familiarity with each other's game styles resulting in some comms problems.
PS Smeagol, please share your investigations preferably in private so we don't break any ToS. If is true, you will get your apology and relevant actions will take place. If not, stop taking little jabs here and there.
Just for the record, and as per the OP's original question my personal stance in PvP has always been:
There are no rules in queues. Enter at your own discretion. Be prepared to be treated the same if you cheese it up.
However, if you make a premade match up with terms, honour it. Only pre arranged matches have rules if you set them.
If you feel that strongly that we are cheating, file a report with Cryptic and let them decide.
The reddit thing everyone in fleet is aware of in our fleet.
Reference the TS thing, are you referring to the same conversation where pandas were accused of being Cryptic's poster children who were given the game code to decompile and all other goodies?
Reference the big panda victories of the past and the struggling victories of current, pre LoR & fleet base stuff, the game was a known entity so it was easy to predict the metagame. There was far less power creep back then. There was no super spiking like there is now where you can get kills in less than a second. Seen the latest videos yet? Guess not....
Right now, the metagame is still being defined. There is so much new content to play with, it was almost a big reset PvP wise almost allowing PvP fleets to close the gap with each other and in some cases has done. Inner Circle vs Panda match as an example in the last tournament.
Another fact, there was only about 10 pandas who knew each other's game inside out originally. Now there is about trebble the number of active members making it harder to maintain familiarity with each other's game styles resulting in some comms problems.
PS Smeagol, please share your investigations preferably in private so we don't break any ToS. If is true, you will get your apology and relevant actions will take place. If not, stop taking little jabs here and there.
Just for the record, and as per the OP's original question my personal stance in PvP has always been:
There are no rules in queues. Enter at your own discretion. Be prepared to be treated the same if you cheese it up.
However, if you make a premade match up with terms, honour it. Only pre arranged matches have rules if you set them.
Glad you admit that the reddit was in fact you and that it does state that your fleet used a 3rd party program that violates the tos . When you were shown the script on your fleets website that it did have pixel recognition in it you said yes thats our script correct also thanks for clearing that up for the people that say there is no proof i think admission is proof enough.
Another good rule to follow (along with trying not to panic) - is to make sure that you're awake while playing. If you're somebody like me that needs high dosages of caffeine just to maintain a pseudo awake state, you may find that after twelve hours or so of not having caffeine that during an attack run - you may forget to fire your weapons. The sad part is, it will take you a moment to realize something is wrong. Don't let that happen to you.
Glad you admit that the reddit was in fact you and that it does state that your fleet used a 3rd party program that violates the tos . When you were shown the script on your fleets website that it did have pixel recognition in it you said yes thats our script correct also thanks for clearing that up for the people that say there is no proof i think admission is proof enough.
And were they banned???? So are people not allowed to use Key binds either??? People use programs to create keybinds or macros via their in game keyboard config program e.g Razer. Are we going to get banned???
Dude take your bitterness elsewhere as this clearly isn't what the original topic was, clearly you loathe or rather green with jealousy ppl are better than you and find ways to discredit them.
You should have named this thread Panda bashing time, this was your clear intention. If their alleged program was op why don't they roflstomp everyone.
Guys stop feeding the troll here.
Now found frequenting MWO short term and then Star Citizen long term. Raged Quit PVP long ago
- Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
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Take a look in the mirror, and you will see why the ones that get banned are the ones that get banned.
You yourself said you started with trolling in mind - see the picture yet?
your quote button seems to not be working there. or you just keep quoting the wrong posts....either way its a window into an opportunity you have with communicating with people.
for all the people who tried to speak sense to the situation, you responded in conversation circles and diversions.
i suggest you look closer into the reason why you posted these thoughts in the first place.
look inwards to reflect unto others.
have fun kill bad guys
Failure no i think its a success it was a serious post at first until I saw the same thing happen that happens in all my threads. I mean once i saw the pandas getting so pissed i couldnt resist.
You cant tell me this thread wasnt a success just for that. Then when i saw how far they would take it i figured that there was a point to be made maybe not to their followers but the people not yet corrupted by their poison. I dont even have a premade i only pug lol.
They were willing to accept that victory and actually use that as evidence that inversion is op really i couldnt believe it. I figured they would just accept the no rules match against a pugmade on the spot. I was shocked yet pleased that they wanted to make more rules to make an already stacked match against a pugmade more stacked.
I mean wasnt your premade with inversion against a pugmade without enough i really think they were scared. I wouldnt even have hesitated to take that match if i was a premade. I would have accepted the first challenge of no rules. Do you think a pugmade with p2w consoles and a few abilities that are listed in the rules can beat the pandas.
Are you serious really a match with rules against a pugmade the almighty pandas. I thought this will go greatly with my why some premades dont do private matches anymore they couldnt even agree on terms of a match with pugmades. I dont pvp much anymore but if i had to deal with things like this trying to setup a match i think i would just q and hope to get another premade. You cant even get the pandas to not use double tap against a pugmade really. It got even better when people start wanting to watch and get fraps i thought that showed alot about their character.
So yes the origanal post was a fail i think only 2 people had an even halfway decent argument but the end to show some of the things i saw were very interesting. You dont seem like an idiot im sure you saw them to. So when i saw the thread go downhill i figured why not have some fun.
i think this picture describe the situation (@ussultimatum is the one of the right)
http://blog.ces.com.uy/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/hilo-enredado.gif
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
i do understand why some would want to troll the pandas. top dogs get the heat...we all understand that... but if that was the intent behind your responses at any point in this conversation, again, i suggest you look inward to why you would wish to do so.
do you aim to be divisive?
your opening post communicates frustrations on many topics, all which many can relate. aimed at balance and fair play, and what we all could do to make the situation better. be it communicated rather harshly, i understood what you were saying, hence i was the first person to respond to your post. and foreshadowed the responses to come.
becoming divisive in an environment in which you would like to continue to be a part of only leads to conflict without resolution. your post in these forums tells me you would like to continue to play this part of the game, and that i applaud you for.....because it is not for the faint of heart at this time.
many of us pandas have been playing this game for many years, together. this comes with benefits but also new challenges arising weekly due to changes in the environment.
in the end, its how we represent ourselves as individuals, regardless of the fleet tag hovering over our heads.
represent your intentions well friend. or be divisive. and lay in the bed you have made for yourself.
have fun kill bad guys
Pandas best fleet in the game top dogs sounds to me like your just a puppet for the A team. You know the A team would never use you in the premade. Your just riding coat tales. Stand up and be a man on your own you dont have anything to do with pandas being a top premade so why brag. I think when someone looks away while shady things are happening in there fleet and turns a blind eye has some issues within themselves also bud. You know what im talking about like the saying goes you lay down with dogs you end up with fleas. but i guess ignorance is bliss in your case
Guess you are new right!
Horizon is certainly a part of the top players in the Panda fleet.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Shame, I was looking forward to the video.
And instead of just admitting he was wrong, he decided to go with a "HA HA, THOSE SILLY PANDAS!" tactic.
If you change your mind and every do want to have a go, though, please let one of us know.
If not, enjoy the game, and I look forward to seeing you in the queues.
Big daddy naz finally shows his face hey naz seems like guys in your fleet are unaware that you admitted on reddit in your official statement that your premade uses a 3rd party program that is banned by cryptic.
Can you tell them the truth so they stop looking like idiots blindly defending you. Idont think they know about you admiting on someones teamspeak that the script that your fleetmate wrote had a pixel recognition command in there there were multiple people who were on teamspeak when you said it. Please inform them of these conversations and admissions so they can stop making themselves look stupid.
No i decided to troll the thread when it got trolled by you noob pug stompers who were licking at the chops to pug stomp someone. Do you really think that that match would prove inversion is op if so your a moron. You idiots were so scared you couldnt even decide on rules for the match against pugs. You tried to stack the deck even more inversion the great i win button wasnt enough.
Really never sseen him in one of your premade matches i noticed something in one of your newest matches on youtube sounded like a bunch of school girls screaming on a school bus . I dont remember that much chatter in your old matches i guess when you actually have to call for heals and tac teams and nuke clears things can get pretty chaotic.
Alot harder then having your program do it for you. I wonder why pandas dont win 15 - 0 anymore coincidence . i say thats what happens when human error is added to the equation.
Well, then, I apologize for any confusion that I may have caused - I was simply looking to establish a clear set of rules so that neither side could call foul play at the end of the match.
And no, we're not really looking to pugstomp anyone - if you look at various threads within the PvP forum, you'll see that there are many premade/tournament matches being set up. Furthermore, is it really a "pugstomp" if you said that you wanted to time in order to get a team together and setup? That sounds like a premade to me.
This nature of this match was for you for show us various ways to counter TIF. The counters that you yourself proposed. We simply accepted the challenge to a match when you challenged our (and I don't mean Pandas, I mean most everyone posting in this thread) belief that while those counters sound good on paper, they don't work out so well in actuality.
But, I must admit, I'm a little confused now. Are you now saying that TIF IS or ISN'T an iWin button? The OP made it sound like it was OK to be used, especially since you yourself pointed out it's many "counters." But now it sounds like you're claiming that it is indeed an iWin ability? Could you please clarify your position on that?
Did you ever stop to consider that so much has changed within the game and how it works between those older videos and newer ones?
And that, in a lot of times, we can see when someone needs heals? It is most certainly helpful when someone can see an Escort about to Alpha up and smash someone to call for pre-emptive heals, or when further heals beyond the initial throwout is necessary, but there are often times when you don't need to call that kind of stuff out.
Mr sugar daddy Naz to you. Love you to....
So no match then?
You may use abilities prematurely. You may spam your abilities, allowing any buffs to be stripped easily. You may lose sight of what's going on around you - you may fly right into that HY torp or DPB'd group of mines that results in your death.
The more you panic, the less you are likely to remember about what actually transpired during your death should your ship blossom into a beautiful explosion. In the hot and heavy heat of the moment, you're not going to notice everything as is - but giving into panic will blind you.
You will not learn anything. You will not have that knowledge of how to improve - how you might avoid that death in the future.
It is important never to lose your ability to anticipate - you do not want to be strictly on the defensive, running like a cornered rat. Take that quick deep breath, take in your surroundings, and take actions you believe will result in your victory.
You may still go down in a fiery blaze of glory - but you went down fighting and you may have learned what to try to do next time so they go down in a fiery blaze of glory.
Don't panic.
well to be fair, pandas are mighty silly at times :P
42 good sir.
also, don't forget to bring a towel.
Do you even Science Bro?
If there was a public pvp Q that did not allow universal consoles would that Q be popular ?
If there was a Q that did not allow lock box ships would it be popular ? and only let you use whatever console came on that ship
I bet they would be
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
It was embarrassing. Was in Ker'rat early this morning, and I came upon somebody that continued to shoot at me. Normally what I do is enough that I can troll up to eight players, even if they have Sci with them. But this one guy was still shooting at me. I gave into panic. I have no idea what I did. Then I was dead. It was embarrassing.
I've been trying to picture it - try to play it back, like I can with so many deaths. It's like watching Thissler videos - where I believe they're not so much for folks on how to kill, but they're a means for folks who were killed to learn what they should and shouldn't try to do next time. I can usually visualize my deaths in such a manner, go ah - and - try not to do that next time or to try something else.
With this one, though, with this one I have no idea. I can't remember if I was caught blipping while healing somebody. I can't remember if I stayed on target too long, leaving myself exposed. I remember getting hit by the Viral Matrix. It dropped Aux, I cleared it, and I must have done one of the half dozen escape things I normally do.
But he was still there. I did another and another. Each time, it appeared that I had escaped - but I had not. Normally, it wouldn't have mattered - cause there's just so much I can do with that toon to avoid dying...but I don't remember. I started to panic. I died.
It was embarrassing.
Heck, I don't mind dying - it's how I learn better not to die. I have no delusions about skill or anything of the sort, I know I'm down there in the food chain. Most folks would classify me as a non-threat...a gnat. Over the weekend, I got slaughtered twice - it was epic. One was an AtB minor delayed double TS3 of Quants that ripped me apart during an extended blip (btw, Plasma Shockwave creates a pretty damn long blip - where seconds matter). The other was an awesomely timed Crescent during a blip - crit - boom!
But yeah, slipping into panic like I did - meh, I've got no idea what to try to do differently next time...didn't learn from it...it was embarrassing.
Naz are you dodging the question i asked why dont you explain to horizon and uss ultimatum what you said on teamspeak about mt script did you not show them the reddit official statement.
Praxis im sorry that you fall victim to the leaders of your fleet and your kept in the dark about things that happened in your fleet. I would have thought that you for sure knew about the reddit release in that release your fleet leader admited that your fleet uses a 3rd party program.
I used to respect you as a player but after you just blindly defending something that is public knowledge is rather embarassing. Its sad that your fleet leader will sit back and say nothing even in private and say hey yeah bud we did use that and the script is on our forums and i admitted it on reddit. Atleast then maybe you wouldnt be ruining your credibility just to be accepted into a fleet that built its name using 3rd party programs. Yes alot has changed in 2 months and its called cryptic changed the colors in there game wich made the hax tool pixel recognition not work any more. Wich leads to having to do more chatter on teamspeak wich causes more chaos like hes jumping on someone some where uhhh uhhh pressurizing him please tell naz to stop pressurizing that poor guy it sounds like that hurts. Nukes staying active for sometimes 10 seconds before clears that match was a mess. Ive seen videos from not that long ago where they were under alot more pressure then they were in the recent one. There was no where near as much chatter almost none. So yeah thats what changed pixels changed. Human error was added back in the game for the pandas and thats why there not 15 - 0 any more.
Hey there timejumpers
I assessed the situation as it developed and with background research believe the script released with the LOR update was to accommodate a change in the game engine and not the
implantation of the new UI
I also think only one used the more advanced features due to technical limitations in my findings
It was the combination of abilities that won the match so any combination of abilities used by a premade on a pug is going to be deadly inversion or no inversion does it make a pug match harder for a premade to fight pugs if they dont use these consoles no. When the pandas q up against pugs and we know they do just like every other premade.Does it take them less time to whipe the pugs no so whats the difference. If you honestly believe that a group of 4 guys with a week to setup against guys that play together every day with a 1000 variables poluting the test would prove that inversion is op then this game is doomed.
And whats even worse is that you would have used that as proof you would have told everyone you know that you proved inversion is op by beating a pugmade in an uncontrolled test match lol. I guess with tests like that i can see why there are so many rules.Pandas i ask you this even against other premades have you ever lost to a team that used inversion field just wondering.
If your talking pixel recognition aspect yes it probably wasnt the whole team using it. We know atleast 1 did and i would bet atleast 2 had pixel recognition and the whole team used the basic script for distribute and cycleing abilities wich still is against the tos.
For Example I get hit by TIF I hit my TIF
I see players casually PvPing I limit my arsenal
When I do have a casual premade I express a desire that certain items are not used and now that I think of it many of my fleeties don?t have the luxury of lobi store sets.
As for tournaments obviously if you don?t like the rules don?t play
The reddit thing everyone in fleet is aware of in our fleet.
Reference the TS thing, are you referring to the same conversation where pandas were accused of being Cryptic's poster children who were given the game code to decompile and all other goodies?
Reference the big panda victories of the past and the struggling victories of current, pre LoR & fleet base stuff, the game was a known entity so it was easy to predict the metagame. There was far less power creep back then. There was no super spiking like there is now where you can get kills in less than a second. Seen the latest videos yet? Guess not....
Right now, the metagame is still being defined. There is so much new content to play with, it was almost a big reset PvP wise almost allowing PvP fleets to close the gap with each other and in some cases has done. Inner Circle vs Panda match as an example in the last tournament.
Another fact, there was only about 10 pandas who knew each other's game inside out originally. Now there is about trebble the number of active members making it harder to maintain familiarity with each other's game styles resulting in some comms problems.
PS Smeagol, please share your investigations preferably in private so we don't break any ToS. If is true, you will get your apology and relevant actions will take place. If not, stop taking little jabs here and there.
Just for the record, and as per the OP's original question my personal stance in PvP has always been:
There are no rules in queues. Enter at your own discretion. Be prepared to be treated the same if you cheese it up.
However, if you make a premade match up with terms, honour it. Only pre arranged matches have rules if you set them.
Glad you admit that the reddit was in fact you and that it does state that your fleet used a 3rd party program that violates the tos . When you were shown the script on your fleets website that it did have pixel recognition in it you said yes thats our script correct also thanks for clearing that up for the people that say there is no proof i think admission is proof enough.
And were they banned???? So are people not allowed to use Key binds either??? People use programs to create keybinds or macros via their in game keyboard config program e.g Razer. Are we going to get banned???
Dude take your bitterness elsewhere as this clearly isn't what the original topic was, clearly you loathe or rather green with jealousy ppl are better than you and find ways to discredit them.
You should have named this thread Panda bashing time, this was your clear intention. If their alleged program was op why don't they roflstomp everyone.
Guys stop feeding the troll here.
- Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)