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  • timejumperstimejumpers Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    CHallenge sent no rules match pugmade vs pandas B team lets roll.
  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    CHallenge sent no rules match pugmade vs pandas B team lets roll.

    Game on. Are you bringing the cheese as well? My understanding was that we would be bringing it, and you would be countering it.

    But if you want to bring it to, so be it. EDIT: If the other Pandas want to, of course. I'm no spokesperson.
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    So you wont accept a challenge from a pugmade with no rules wow what has pandas turned into.

    *Laughs* Completely missing the point, eh? Let's make it simple:

    1. He challenges you to prove that countering TIF is easy.
    2. He wants you to do it in a match.
    3. To do that, obviously, he will use TIF, and you will counter it. You gave so many counters anyway.
    4. But you want no rules.
    5. He refuses because it would be pointless - Countering TIF with TIF doesn't prove anything.
    6. Then you call them cowards.

    Anyway, the point of the challenge is not to see who wins - the point is to prove that TIF is easy to counter. Simple as that.

    Also, pot calling the kettle black. Are you yourself afraid of facing TIF despite all those counters you listed? Says a lot about how you truly feel about the cheesiness level, eh? The pandas want you to see what it is like in the shoes of a player who lacks TIF, and faces it.

    Edit: Oh, challenge go? Someone record it - I'll sure want to watch.
  • seansamurai1seansamurai1 Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Even Im seeing the point trying to be made by Pandas here.

    You have now ultimately proved TJ that the P2W you use is a crutch which you refuse to remove, even for the sake of an 'experiment' to show that these counters that have been mentioned arent really very good, or reliable for that matter.

    I like games though where theres mutually assigned 'rules'. Whats allowed and whats not allowed, its so people can actually do what PvP is for, pew pew each other and have a good time.
    You take that sh*t to say TD, I can guarantee if its used in a match, you will become the sole focus of everybody's guns. The match would not be fun for you in the slightest.
  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    scurry5 wrote: »
    *Laughs* Completely missing the point, eh? Let's make it simple:

    1. He challenges you to prove that countering TIF is easy.
    2. He wants you to do it in a match.
    3. To do that, obviously, he will use TIF, and you will counter it. You gave so many counters anyway.
    4. But you want no rules.
    5. He refuses because it would be pointless - Countering TIF with TIF doesn't prove anything.
    6. Then you call them cowards.

    Anyway, the point of the challenge is not to see who wins - the point is to prove that TIF is easy to counter. Simple as that.

    Also, pot calling the kettle black. Are you yourself afraid of facing TIF despite all those counters you listed? Says a lot about how you truly feel about the cheesiness level, eh? The pandas want you to see what it is like in the shoes of a player who lacks TIF, and faces it..

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  • timejumperstimejumpers Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    You want some rules i want some rules to ill go no inversion on my team but i can use double tap. You guys no double tap but you can use inversion that seems fair. And loser has to come on the forums and post an apology and never post about the other ability being op op.
  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    You want some rules i want some rules to ill go no inversion on my team but i can use double tap. You guys no double tap but you can use inversion that seems fair. And loser has to come on the forums and post an apology and never post about the other ability being op op.

    Oh this. So this.

    To be perfectly clear: We (Pandas) can use TIF and whatever else we see fit but no double tap BO. You (timejumper et al) can use no use no TIF/GPG/other tournament banned items, but can use double tap BO.

    Correct?
  • seansamurai1seansamurai1 Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    You want some rules i want some rules to ill go no inversion on my team but i can use double tap. You guys no double tap but you can use inversion that seems fair. And loser has to come on the forums and post an apology and never post about the other ability being op op.

    Look forward to reading the apology. :P:D
  • timejumperstimejumpers Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Even Im seeing the point trying to be made by Pandas here.

    You have now ultimately proved TJ that the P2W you use is a crutch which you refuse to remove, even for the sake of an 'experiment' to show that these counters that have been mentioned arent really very good, or reliable for that matter.

    I like games though where theres mutually assigned 'rules'. Whats allowed and whats not allowed, its so people can actually do what PvP is for, pew pew each other and have a good time.
    You take that sh*t to say TD, I can guarantee if its used in a match, you will become the sole focus of everybody's guns. The match would not be fun for you in the slightest.

    The challenge has been accepted i even give in no inversion now is this one sided do only the pandas get to make the rules no. so i want rules to. if its an experiment you want sure anytime but this was a challenge to a match not a test.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2013
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  • seansamurai1seansamurai1 Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    You want to prove TIF isnt OP, you also want to prove your theory that its easy to counter, a match has been set up to reflect this, ie one team gets the cheese, the other team doesnt but they are set to counter to PROVE how easy it is.




    In anybodys book, thats a test.
    A test to prove or disprove something.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    This MUST be recorded by someone. I don't care who (as long as it's totally unedited. Just keep to the raw, unchanged, footage) does it, I just wanna watch this.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • tron4eternitytron4eternity Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    You want to prove TIF isnt OP, you also want to prove your theory that its easy to counter, a match has been set up to reflect this, ie one team gets the cheese, the other team doesnt but they are set to counter to PROVE how easy it is.




    In anybodys book, thats a test.
    A test to prove or disprove something.

    Didn't you quit last week? But yes a direct test of a team with tif and a team with full supposed counters to just tif would be an interesting test match. If i had to guess though the tifers would win but I would love to watch a fraps of such a match.
  • timejumperstimejumpers Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    praxi5 wrote: »
    Oh this. So this.

    To be perfectly clear: We (Pandas) can use TIF and whatever else we see fit but no double tap BO. You (timejumper et al) can use no use no TIF/GPG/other tournament banned items, but can use double tap BO.

    Correct?

    LOL now it goes from no inversion to no inversion grav pulse or anything else on the no bs list of rules. Your funny are the pandas really adding more rules in a match against a pugmade really? Now you all can see why some premades q they dont have to deal with 3 hrs of rules meetings till they both agree on the rules while being called a troll a noob honorless spammer and believe me its worse ingame chat.
  • seansamurai1seansamurai1 Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Didn't you quit last week? But yes a direct test of a team with tif and a team with full supposed counters to just tif would be an interesting test match. If i had to guess though the tifers would win but I would love to watch a fraps of such a match.

    Yep, doesnt mean I still cant visit the forums.
  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    LOL now it goes from no inversion to no inversion grav pulse or anything else on the no bs list of rules. Your funny are the pandas really adding more rules in a match against a pugmade really? Now you all can see why some premades q they dont have to deal with 3 hrs of rules meetings till they both agree on the rules while being called a troll a noob honorless spammer and believe me its worse ingame chat.

    Oh dear.

    Ok, please fully spell out what we can and can not use then.

    Things in question: GPG, TIF, Scramble (with DOffs).

    As you yourself said, this is a test - tests always have clearly define parameters. I just want to make sure that there can't be any calls of foul play from either side.
  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    ...outright dodging and lying...

    Do you actually think, for even a moment, that the entire audience of this thread does not understand what you are, what you lack and what you are attempting to do with this particularly blatant failure to now lie and say that you threw down the challenge?

    Unfortunately it is all permanently recorded starting on post #79. My post.

    No amount of twisting, lying, ranting or pretending it isn't true will convince anyone who is now reading this thread. You have just invalidated any tiny shreds of potential credibility you might have had a chance at attaining.


    Your failure to accept the challenge on its terms displays the overall failure of your thread.


    I'm done with you.
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Eh, keep it simple.

    I suggest
    Pandas - Anything goes, TIF and GPG allowed - no double tapping.
    TJ Team - Anything goes, except for TIF and GPG.

    This should work. Although I don't see the point of the double tapping. Just give him a concession, eh?
  • timejumperstimejumpers Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    scurry5 wrote: »
    *Laughs* Completely missing the point, eh? Let's make it simple:

    1. He challenges you to prove that countering TIF is easy.
    2. He wants you to do it in a match.
    3. To do that, obviously, he will use TIF, and you will counter it. You gave so many counters anyway.
    4. But you want no rules.
    5. He refuses because it would be pointless - Countering TIF with TIF doesn't prove anything.
    6. Then you call them cowards.

    Anyway, the point of the challenge is not to see who wins - the point is to prove that TIF is easy to counter. Simple as that.

    Also, pot calling the kettle black. Are you yourself afraid of facing TIF despite all those counters you listed? Says a lot about how you truly feel about the cheesiness level, eh? The pandas want you to see what it is like in the shoes of a player who lacks TIF, and faces it.

    Edit: Oh, challenge go? Someone record it - I'll sure want to watch.

    No i think you are mistaken i will give them the no inversion but i want no double tap. The reason being because some are noobs and dont understand what really kills them OP abilities like double tap. If inversion is so op and a i win button then why do you need double tap use all the cheese you want just no double tap we use no inversion but anything else goes Whats unfair about that and after that we do your match fair.After all we are just a pugmade.
  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    i'm totally not in the panda fleet but i'd take part in this just to dust off the "no you stop!" wells i have :P
    mancom wrote: »
    Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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  • timejumperstimejumpers Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Do you actually think, for even a moment, that the entire audience of this thread does not understand what you are, what you lack and what you are attempting to do with this particularly blatant failure to now lie and say that you threw down the challenge?

    Unfortunately it is all permanently recorded starting on post #79. My post.

    No amount of twisting, lying, ranting or pretending it isn't true will convince anyone who is now reading this thread. You have just invalidated any tiny shreds of potential credibility you might have had a chance at attaining.


    Your failure to accept the challenge on its terms displays the overall failure of your thread.


    I'm done with you.

    Let me see here you are the pandas you know the best fleet in the game more coordinated then my team will be a skill level much greater then ours. You have i win inversion we dont what more can you want can i bring engines probably not it helps get out of inversion.
  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    No i think you are mistaken i will give them the no inversion but i want no double tap. The reason being because some are noobs and dont understand what really kills them OP abilities like double tap. If inversion is so op and a i win button then why do you need double tap use all the cheese you want just no double tap we use no inversion but anything else goes Whats unfair about that and after that we do your match fair.After all we are just a pugmade.

    Fine, we won't use anything that we don't normally use except for GPG and TIF.
  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    i win inversion


    Oh so now, suddenly, Temporal Inversion is in fact "I WIN".


    Which is it? Is it easy to counter or is it "I Win." ;)
  • timejumperstimejumpers Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    lmao you guys are such noobs troll thread has done its job works every time. Always the same idiots biting every time.

    Pandas come to troll every thread posted by an opposing opinion. And wow the same leaches come to there rescue you guys are funny im glad to see the real pandas were smart enough to keep their mouths shut. I give a little respect for that but letting the B team challenge a guy who doesnt even pvp in a premade against a PREMADE with 5 inversions and none on the other.

    The funny thing is there was a whole group of followers wanting to watch the pandas pug stomp a bunch of no names and some even thought it would prove a point that inversion is op. This is the sad state of the game people actually believe that if a panda premade beat a pug made with inversion field it would prove inversion is op. Or maybe they just wanted an excuse to pug stomp.
    So to everyone that trolled my post i thank you. You made my day and ingame pvp is so boring now forum pvp is so much more fun atleast the premades here come in the forum q . So sorry to break your heart pandas but you wont get to stomp my pugmade.

    Top 5 ways to get your thread trolled without anything being done about it .

    #! mention inversion field or grav pulse. Its the devils tool using this is strictly prohibited by no bs rules that one guy made up one day. It seems all the pandas have it though but only use it to prove points to pugmades that its op. lol ive been hit by pandas with inversion and all the other things mentioned in the no bs rules well not boarding party they were to stupid to figure that one out .

    #2 mention 3rd party programs the people who use them are easy to spot there the ones that will troll your post the hardest. they fall for it every time.

    #3 mention anything in the post that differs from the forum trolls collective ideas. This is my favorite way to get it started.

    #4 Be from a fleet that doesnt conform to there rules. This is a sure way to bring them out you dont even need 1-3 if you got 4.

    #5 mention the scary word change. you will have 40 pages if you use that dirty word.

    So thank you trolls for coming out to play i had alot of time to kill on my day off this was more fun then any match ive had in months ingame. You noobs are to easy.
  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited September 2013
    Oh so now, suddenly, Temporal Inversion is in fact "I WIN".


    Which is it? Is it easy to counter or is it "I Win." ;)

    one day im going to sit down and tell my grandkids the story of how their great uncle Ulti won the interwebs this one time....

    i envision a fireplace, some sort of eggnog and cookies possibly....

    and my lady grinning at me with that "not this old story again" look.....

    awe man..

    good times.

    good times.
  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited September 2013
    lmao you guys are such noobs troll thread has done its job works every time. Always the same idiots biting every time.

    Pandas come to troll every thread posted by an opposing opinion. And wow the same leaches come to there rescue you guys are funny im glad to see the real pandas were smart enough to keep their mouths shut. I give a little respect for that but letting the B team challenge a guy who doesnt even pvp in a premade against a PREMADE with 5 inversions and none on the other.

    The funny thing is there was a whole group of followers wanting to watch the pandas pug stomp a bunch of no names and some even thought it would prove a point that inversion is op. This is the sad state of the game people actually believe that if a panda premade beat a pug made with inversion field it would prove inversion is op. Or maybe they just wanted an excuse to pug stomp.
    So to everyone that trolled my post i thank you. You made my day and ingame pvp is so boring now forum pvp is so much more fun atleast the premades here come in the forum q . So sorry to break your heart pandas but you wont get to stomp my pugmade.

    Top 5 ways to get your thread trolled without anything being done about it .

    #! mention inversion field or grav pulse. Its the devils tool using this is strictly prohibited by no bs rules that one guy made up one day. It seems all the pandas have it though but only use it to prove points to pugmades that its op. lol ive been hit by pandas with inversion and all the other things mentioned in the no bs rules well not boarding party they were to stupid to figure that one out .

    #2 mention 3rd party programs the people who use them are easy to spot there the ones that will troll your post the hardest. they fall for it every time.

    #3 mention anything in the post that differs from the forum trolls collective ideas. This is my favorite way to get it started.

    #4 Be from a fleet that doesnt conform to there rules. This is a sure way to bring them out you dont even need 1-3 if you got 4.

    #5 mention the scary word change. you will have 40 pages if you use that dirty word.

    So thank you trolls for coming out to play i had alot of time to kill on my day off this was more fun then any match ive had in months ingame. You noobs are to easy.


    dood stop wasting peoples time.

    stop insulting people.

    most people come here to actually contribute, and the only thing youve done here is admit to taking pride in wasting peoples effort.

    some human beings are just sad.
  • timejumperstimejumpers Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Oh so now, suddenly, Temporal Inversion is in fact "I WIN".


    Which is it? Is it easy to counter or is it "I Win." ;)

    Umm its called sarcasm. You know thats what you said it is according to you all it takes is to push the button and its instant death i dont know how but thats what you said. Others in your fleet claim its so op that if pandas used it it would be 5 instant kills. I would call that an i win button correct. But i was being sarcastic just so you know. Couldnt you troll my post with something better then oh look he called it an i win button he admitted it.
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Edit: Shouldn't respond to ToS violations.
  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited September 2013
    Umm its called sarcasm. You know thats what you said it is according to you all it takes is to push the button and its instant death i dont know how but thats what you said. Others in your fleet claim its so op that if pandas used it it would be 5 instant kills. I would call that an i win button correct. But i was being sarcastic just so you know. Couldnt you troll my post with something better then oh look he called it an i win button he admitted it.

    you cannot relay sarcasm thru text with someone you have no prior relationship.

    just bow out and admit the fail thread you have created.
  • timejumperstimejumpers Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Umm its called sarcasm. You know thats what you said it is according to you all it takes is to push the button and its instant death i dont know how but thats what you said. Others in your fleet claim its so op that if pandas used it it would be 5 instant kills. I would call that an i win button correct. But i was being sarcastic just so you know. Couldnt you troll my post with something better then oh look he called it an i win button he admitted it.

    Most people yes come here to contribute. But most dont come here because they get trolled and it always seems to be the same people. Sure my post was intended to cause you guys to come out in your forum premade and derail my post. Your fleet does it every time go look at my posts .I can tell you there are many people out there that have the same thing done to them most are banned for these troll wars against these same people but i wonder why none of them get banned. Can you look through this thread and tell me there are not 100 things that violate the rules of this forum. Ask your self this why is nothing done about it why is it fair for others to get silenced for far less then what is going on in this thread. They have basicaly silenced anyone that has an opposing opinion now the devs think these few morons left are the mouth piece for the pvp community. BITE ME. All my posts have a reason behind them. And you follow along like little puppets.
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