I appreciate you chiming in. However, I really don't agree with your first point in regard to the absence of cloak.
The reason: the innate Romulan or Reman racial traits: Subterfuge. Operative and Infiltrator build on that same foundation too.
Romulans/Remans end up on these timeships, completely losing out on their innate racial ability. Klingons and Federation characters don't have that problem at all. Different animal, really.
I can live without the singularity core. But the absence of the cloak isn't something I can get over. I do expect a balancing caveat, I don't expect that advantage would come for free, but it just has to be there.
Actually.... there is something wrong there ... the KDF do not even have a space racial trait..............
....sneaky sneaky...I don't recall seeing the ship in the patch notes......still thank you for the answer archoncryptic, I don't agree, but I understand........at least you took the time to give a better answer than "Because"......that's all most people ask for(I think).....
The same people *****ing that there is no core, are the same ones who say they wish they could take out the core of the Warbird and put a regular Antimatter core because it's a fail......then they wonder why Cryptic post on FB and Tweeter more. :rolleyes:
Not true. I love my singularity cores. :P
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
No singularity core AND no cloaking device? I couldn't be reading that right...is this ship from 400 years in the future or the past?
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
I appreciate you chiming in. However, I really don't agree with your first point in regard to the absence of cloak.
The reason: the innate Romulan or Reman racial traits: Subterfuge. Operative and Infiltrator build on that same foundation too.
That is a rather valid point that even I didn't consider. Aside from the interior this would be the other change that I would suggest.
I still feel that this game needs a serious look at in regards to how a lot of the mechanics work when it comes to space combat and many other aspects of this game. There are many aspects that feel very linear and space combat (and sometimes ground) feels very linear. I'm not sure whether a STO 2.0 would ever be viable, especially with a company like PWE backing Cryptic. But I definitely feel some things need a revamp. The warp cores is definitely a step in the right direction at least and I can see the sense in not putting in the singularity core on this ship.
Still, could have done something different with the interior. A in-depth tech-tree for space & ground would seriously fix a lot of issues and add that unique style of play for different ships/factions that I've seen quite a few people ask for. I'm personally tired of consoles and it doesn't feel right.
1. There should be no such thing as a copy and paste ship (which means that the other two ships SHOULD be adjusted) for each faction. If you want them all to be equal do not make different skins but instead just give each the same ship. I find this reasoning flawed and am annoyed by it.
2. The logic behind this statement I have issues with. Even if the Romulans, Fed, and KDF are all allied there is still unique ship classes seen in this scene. This shows that while allied and possibly sharing tech, they are still pursuing independent design ethos. The Romulans abandoning two of their most favored and loved technologies is folly. Just because they have access to warp cores does not mean they are going to abandon what they have come to rely upon and favor. Hence faulty logic and reasoning to rather shoehorn away the need to adjust the KDF and Fed timeships.
3. The Romulan faction is unique for one thing, battle cloak and singularity core. By making a Romulan ship without this defining feature, you toss aside all that makes them interesting/unique. Not to even mention how their traits are specifically set up for cloak. That aside if someone for some reason had to be Romulan but wanted to fly a fed like ship, there is a host of ships with warp cores and no cloak that are available. This reason that you have given is not valid for this ship.
Thank you for taking the time to respond, but I respectfully disagree with your decisions here. In fact I am massively disappointed and will not be acquiring this ship like I originally planned to.
If you are trying to push the new Romulan temporal ships, might I suggest someone look at some bugs in the Temporal Disruption Device. Using any torpedo ability, such as Spread or High Yield, increases the cooldown on the device to the 30 second cooldown of other tricobalt torpedos rather than the normal 20 second cooldown of a standard temporal device torpedo.
Also, the High Yield torpedo does not produce the temporal rift that it is supposed to, despite what the tooltip claims. There has been a bug report thread about this in the forums for over two months:
Additionally, this blog post indicates that the Tipler cylinder rewinds time for 13 seconds, but this was changed to only 7 seconds for as long as I have owned my Wells.
Actually.... there is something wrong there ... the KDF do not even have a space racial trait..............
Good for them. They get something else that doesn't actually go to waste with whatever ship they choose to use.
Why? Why should one of these ships be ANY better than the other. They are replicas.
Who said better? No one said better. Most people said "Romulan". And a "Romulan skin" isn't the only thing that makes a ship Romulan.
The same argument could've been raised with the Veteran ships. Why make the Peghqu' different? Why make the Daeinos a "warbird destroyer" when it could've been a replica stat-wise of the other?
You can spin that in many ways, but the point is, fans asked for a Romulan timeship to get out of the Temporal lockbox and that encompassed more than just a reskinning.
Point is, we're in 2013 now, not 2012. I don't expect design to be held back by the past, especially when other precedents have also been made supporting such a thing too.
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Tested this out over on Tribble.
The R'morr bridge is really just the same Wells bridge, down to the profile diagrams of the Wells on some bridge station.
In-game, the R'morr has her own distinctive material, then most of the Romulan refit ship materials, and the Veteran material. Kudos on implementing the Veteran material - that I did not expect, and it look pretty slick on it.
Additionally, this blog post indicates that the Tipler cylinder rewinds time for 13 seconds, but this was changed to only 7 seconds for as long as I have owned my Wells.
Right, it was tweaked to 7 seconds when it was released (or shortly after; I don't recall exactly). The "13 seconds" was meant to be a Galaxy Quest reference, and it was changed as a result of testing.
ETA: Sorry; misread your post. Yeah, they really should update that blog info...
Thank you for taking the time to respond, but I respectfully disagree with your decisions here. In fact I am massively disappointed and will not be acquiring this ship like I originally planned to.
You do know that even without this things these ships are arguable in the top five ships in the game right?
Ever science toon should have one IMO.
2. The logic behind this statement I have issues with. Even if the Romulans, Fed, and KDF are all allied there is still unique ship classes seen in this scene. This shows that while allied and possibly sharing tech, they are still pursuing independent design ethos. The Romulans abandoning two of their most favored and loved technologies is folly. Just because they have access to warp cores does not mean they are going to abandon what they have come to rely upon and favor. Hence faulty logic and reasoning to rather shoehorn away the need to adjust the KDF and Fed timeships.
3. The Romulan faction is unique for one thing, battle cloak and singularity core. By making a Romulan ship without this defining feature, you toss aside all that makes them interesting/unique. Not to even mention how their traits are specifically set up for cloak. That aside if someone for some reason had to be Romulan but wanted to fly a fed like ship, there is a host of ships with warp cores and no cloak that are available. This reason that you have given is not valid for this ship.
You know, ArchonCryptic said that we didn't see the R'Morr in said episode... but maybe it was there!
You do know that even without this things these ships are arguable in the top five ships in the game right?
Ever science toon should have one IMO.
I don't care how good it is, I will not fly a ship that goes so against the Romulan design ethos. Not to even mention every single one of my boffs traits and some of my captain traits would be utterly wasted.
It's a waste and if I had to have it for how strong it was, I would level up my fed and get one on there. Pointless to waste all of that stuff on my Romulan and give up on what makes flying warbirds more fun then fed or kdf ships to me.
It's a waste and if I had to have it for how strong it was, I would level up my fed and get one on there. Pointless to waste all of that stuff on my Romulan and give up on what makes flying warbirds more fun then fed or kdf ships to me.
^ This. If I want to fly a Wells, I'll fly a Wells. On my Fed. When I play Romulan, I want to fly warbirds.
These ships were salvaged by Tholians that had no interest in a lot of the ships component. Romulans had nothing to do with it.
Honestly that's just a huge/stupid excuse so they don't have to put sing/cloak on it and cloak on the kdf one. I mean seriously, they can put cloak on the defiant and the Tal'Shiar ships there is zero reason for it to be left out here besides lack of will to balance them.
We discussed whether or not the Romulan Temporal Ships should have singularity cores quite at length. In fact, I actually built them to have all the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloaking and changed it later on in the design process - so, it's not an issue of laziness or copy and paste.
SNIPAGE because I want to reply to you more than what you said.
A fair enough answer, thought as feedback for if you think about doing this again with another lockbox/Lobi ship where it is from one faction already existing in the game. I think it would have been better in this case to only have the Wells and the Mobius, and let every faction fly them. I know they are Starfleet or Mirror Starfleet ships, but I mean if you don't have the time to make ships that these factions could have made, both in stats and looks, then don't bother. To me, at least, it makes more sense to have a KDF or Rom captain flying around in a captured Wells ship than it does for the 29th century Klingon time ship not have cloak, and the 29th century Rom ship not have cloak and a singularity core. I mean these things are supposed to be captured by Tholians and then obtained by Ferengi who then sell them to the highest bidder, so in game, why would Ferengi care who they sold them too. Not to knock the art, its great, but over all, I wish you had spent the art time somewhere else. Not to menction if you ever add another faction, you're going to have to do this again.
So yeah, a bit late for this ship, but in case you guys are thinking of this again, please don't. Thank you.
I am a KDF only player. Tell me about feeling the slide of hand?
How do you think the KDF are feeling?
We have had what little was unique handled to the Feds & Romulans on a silver platter and then some.
Then they shouted about the power problems, and guess what. Here have the KDF pl. leach, and some uber cores from mining. Problem solved.
And just to make sure that things are nice and balanced here's some awesome free get-out-of-jail singularity powers in addition to all these great consoles. And almost forgot - heres these special doffs to make sure you don't even have to try and in case we missed something here's an enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak for all.....
Also as I mentioned you keep on going on about losing your special racial traits. Well perhaps if you were listening thats another thing special about the Romulans. The KDF have no special space trait.
So? Because KDF is given the short end of the stick you want others to get a bad treatment too?
Not only am I advocating the rom one getting adjusted, I am also wanting the kdf one to get cloak as well. Don't be so adversarial about this, instead put your energies to where the true problem is. If you have problems with KDF balance then put your frustration there, instead of attacking everything else but what the problem is.
Despite the fact that I will never fly a 29th century ship, I do feel that this ship is underwhelming when it doesn't make use of the advantages Romulans bring to the battle. They have lower power levels and seem to be a more cloak & dagger type faction. De-cloak, hit hard and cloak again. Hence the reason for the special traits that can be acquired.
In my opinion there is a lot of things that are wrong with this game (future ships being one of them), but they are here to stay, so it would be nice for things to make a little sense. This is just another thing to add to my list of things that aren't quite right lol
To whomever designed/created the look of the ships:
You did a superb job. In my opinion, based only on the pix in the Blog, the two new Romulan time ships look great! (Honestly, I think they look better than either of the Fed/KDF versions.) Thumbs up!
That being said, I shouldn't expect to ever get one of these ships.
While cool, they are expensive, and I already have a character in a Wells Temporal Science Vessel (a Fed Alien, which happens to be a "Romulan" character I created back in 2012).
I have already created/planned-out all the Romulan Faction characters I'm going to have any time soon (One of each class, flying what are to me iconic ships: Lib Borg Rom/Fed/Sci/Khnial; Rom/???/Tac/D'Deridex (Retrofit, possibly Fleet); Rem/KDF/Eng/Scimitar). The time/effort/cost involved to level another character in rank, rep, fleet, DOffs, gear, etc. is too prohibitive to go for yet another, especially when:
It's not so much that I care about Romulan ships not having Singularity Cores or Cloak, it's that these "new" ships have the exact same stats as my existing Temporal ship. There won't be any difference in playability. If I want to play in a "Wells", I've already got a character set to go.
I'm happy to see the Romulan Faction getting rounded out.
They may not be for me, but it's still nice to see equality for the Roms.
Actually.... there is something wrong there ... the KDF do not even have a space racial trait...
Technically, that's not true. Liberated Borg Klingons (members of the KDF) have the Borg Racial Trait which includes Efficient, and Joined Trill KDFers have the Joined Trill Racial Trait (which includes a buff to a couple space stats).
Also, Letheans (including BOs) have access to Efficient, though I'll agree that this isn't a part of their "Racial Trait".
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
now correct me if i'm wrong here. but the power levels on romulan ships in general are lower to balance the quantum singularity powers they have. or visa versa?
so in the name of balance?? are you guys now saying there is no balance between matter-antimatter and quantum drives?? if they are then surely the romulan counterpart would have a quantum drive.
I was looking forward to a romulan temporal shuttle. oh well I wont be trying to get lobi then.
no cloaks or battle cloak??!? errm i'm starting to wonder how on earth it has taken soooo long for these 2 ships to make it out.
The Singularity Cores are the balance to the Romulan Battle Cloak, with reduced power levels and inferior modifiers; for example: [W->S] vs [Res]. The Singularity Powers do provide additional tactical options, but mostly just amount to a "shiny" to distract from the reduced effectiveness otherwise. Having a Warp Core would increase a Warbird's base power by 25% (160 total->200 total), not counting the superior modifiers, while giving up the use of one "shiny" every couple minutes.
Think of it this way: would you rather have a console that gave +40 to allocable power levels, or a console that does Singularity Jump?
So, without the Singularity Core, we don't get a Romulan Battle Cloak. I get it from a balance perspective... but I do think they wasted the design department's talents on a ship that could have simply unlocked their ally's Timeship instead. It's not like they are any different. This should've just been in Patch Notes.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
To whomever designed/created the look of the ships:
You did a superb job. In my opinion, based only on the pix in the Blog, the two new Romulan time ships look great! (Honestly, I think they look better than either of the Fed/KDF versions.) Thumbs up!
That being said, I shouldn't expect to ever get one of these ships.
While cool, they are expensive, and I already have a character in a Wells Temporal Science Vessel (a Fed Alien, which happens to be a "Romulan" character I created back in 2012).
I have already created/planned-out all the Romulan Faction characters I'm going to have any time soon (One of each class, flying what are to me iconic ships: Lib Borg Rom/Fed/Sci/Khnial; Rom/???/Tac/D'Deridex (Retrofit, possibly Fleet); Rem/KDF/Eng/Scimitar). The time/effort/cost involved to level another character in rank, rep, fleet, DOffs, gear, etc. is too prohibitive to go for yet another, especially when:
It's not so much that I care about Romulan ships not having Singularity Cores or Cloak, it's that these "new" ships have the exact same stats as my existing Temporal ship. There won't be any difference in playability. If I want to play in a "Wells", I've already got a character set to go.
I'm happy to see the Romulan Faction getting rounded out.
They may not be for me, but it's still nice to see equality for the Roms.
Technically, that's not true. Liberated Borg Klingons (members of the KDF) have the Borg Racial Trait which includes Efficient, and Joined Trill KDFers have the Joined Trill Racial Trait (which includes a buff to a couple space stats).
I think what drkfrontiers meant to say (and please correct me if I'm wrong) was that the KDF doesn't have any space traits that are unique to the faction, the way the Republic does. I don't think that's the case for the Federation either, though (unless i'm forgetting something?).
I think what drkfrontiers meant to say (and please correct me if I'm wrong) was that the KDF doesn't have any space traits that are unique to the faction, the way the Republic does. I don't think that's the case for the Federation either, though (unless i'm forgetting something?).
Thanks yes thats what I meant to say. And Humans have Leadership. Romulans have Subterfuge. Klingons have nadda.
So? Because KDF is given the short end of the stick you want others to get a bad treatment too?
Not only am I advocating the rom one getting adjusted, I am also wanting the kdf one to get cloak as well. Don't be so adversarial about this, instead put your energies to where the true problem is. If you have problems with KDF balance then put your frustration there, instead of attacking everything else but what the problem is.
Please accept my apologies. Was ratty and you were the closest at hand
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Actually.... there is something wrong there ... the KDF do not even have a space racial trait..............
Why? Why should one of these ships be ANY better than the other. They are replicas.
Not true. I love my singularity cores. :P
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
That is a rather valid point that even I didn't consider. Aside from the interior this would be the other change that I would suggest.
I still feel that this game needs a serious look at in regards to how a lot of the mechanics work when it comes to space combat and many other aspects of this game. There are many aspects that feel very linear and space combat (and sometimes ground) feels very linear. I'm not sure whether a STO 2.0 would ever be viable, especially with a company like PWE backing Cryptic. But I definitely feel some things need a revamp. The warp cores is definitely a step in the right direction at least and I can see the sense in not putting in the singularity core on this ship.
Still, could have done something different with the interior. A in-depth tech-tree for space & ground would seriously fix a lot of issues and add that unique style of play for different ships/factions that I've seen quite a few people ask for. I'm personally tired of consoles and it doesn't feel right.
1. There should be no such thing as a copy and paste ship (which means that the other two ships SHOULD be adjusted) for each faction. If you want them all to be equal do not make different skins but instead just give each the same ship. I find this reasoning flawed and am annoyed by it.
2. The logic behind this statement I have issues with. Even if the Romulans, Fed, and KDF are all allied there is still unique ship classes seen in this scene. This shows that while allied and possibly sharing tech, they are still pursuing independent design ethos. The Romulans abandoning two of their most favored and loved technologies is folly. Just because they have access to warp cores does not mean they are going to abandon what they have come to rely upon and favor. Hence faulty logic and reasoning to rather shoehorn away the need to adjust the KDF and Fed timeships.
3. The Romulan faction is unique for one thing, battle cloak and singularity core. By making a Romulan ship without this defining feature, you toss aside all that makes them interesting/unique. Not to even mention how their traits are specifically set up for cloak. That aside if someone for some reason had to be Romulan but wanted to fly a fed like ship, there is a host of ships with warp cores and no cloak that are available. This reason that you have given is not valid for this ship.
Thank you for taking the time to respond, but I respectfully disagree with your decisions here. In fact I am massively disappointed and will not be acquiring this ship like I originally planned to.
Also, the High Yield torpedo does not produce the temporal rift that it is supposed to, despite what the tooltip claims. There has been a bug report thread about this in the forums for over two months:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=728191&highlight=temporal+disruption+device
Additionally, this blog post indicates that the Tipler cylinder rewinds time for 13 seconds, but this was changed to only 7 seconds for as long as I have owned my Wells.
Who said better? No one said better. Most people said "Romulan". And a "Romulan skin" isn't the only thing that makes a ship Romulan.
The same argument could've been raised with the Veteran ships. Why make the Peghqu' different? Why make the Daeinos a "warbird destroyer" when it could've been a replica stat-wise of the other?
You can spin that in many ways, but the point is, fans asked for a Romulan timeship to get out of the Temporal lockbox and that encompassed more than just a reskinning.
Point is, we're in 2013 now, not 2012. I don't expect design to be held back by the past, especially when other precedents have also been made supporting such a thing too.
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Tested this out over on Tribble.
The R'morr bridge is really just the same Wells bridge, down to the profile diagrams of the Wells on some bridge station.
In-game, the R'morr has her own distinctive material, then most of the Romulan refit ship materials, and the Veteran material. Kudos on implementing the Veteran material - that I did not expect, and it look pretty slick on it.
Now if only it could get a cloak...
Right, it was tweaked to 7 seconds when it was released (or shortly after; I don't recall exactly). The "13 seconds" was meant to be a Galaxy Quest reference, and it was changed as a result of testing.
ETA: Sorry; misread your post. Yeah, they really should update that blog info...
You do know that even without this things these ships are arguable in the top five ships in the game right?
Ever science toon should have one IMO.
You know, ArchonCryptic said that we didn't see the R'Morr in said episode... but maybe it was there!
Just cloaked.
But the R'Morr doesn't have a cloak... :P
I don't care how good it is, I will not fly a ship that goes so against the Romulan design ethos. Not to even mention every single one of my boffs traits and some of my captain traits would be utterly wasted.
It's a waste and if I had to have it for how strong it was, I would level up my fed and get one on there. Pointless to waste all of that stuff on my Romulan and give up on what makes flying warbirds more fun then fed or kdf ships to me.
this plus 100
^ This. If I want to fly a Wells, I'll fly a Wells. On my Fed. When I play Romulan, I want to fly warbirds.
"Unfortunately, much of the 29th century technology is missing from these ships" - the original temporal series & mentioned in the Romulan blog.
These ships were salvaged by Tholians that had no interest in a lot of the ships component. Romulans had nothing to do with it.
Honestly that's just a huge/stupid excuse so they don't have to put sing/cloak on it and cloak on the kdf one. I mean seriously, they can put cloak on the defiant and the Tal'Shiar ships there is zero reason for it to be left out here besides lack of will to balance them.
A fair enough answer, thought as feedback for if you think about doing this again with another lockbox/Lobi ship where it is from one faction already existing in the game. I think it would have been better in this case to only have the Wells and the Mobius, and let every faction fly them. I know they are Starfleet or Mirror Starfleet ships, but I mean if you don't have the time to make ships that these factions could have made, both in stats and looks, then don't bother. To me, at least, it makes more sense to have a KDF or Rom captain flying around in a captured Wells ship than it does for the 29th century Klingon time ship not have cloak, and the 29th century Rom ship not have cloak and a singularity core. I mean these things are supposed to be captured by Tholians and then obtained by Ferengi who then sell them to the highest bidder, so in game, why would Ferengi care who they sold them too. Not to knock the art, its great, but over all, I wish you had spent the art time somewhere else. Not to menction if you ever add another faction, you're going to have to do this again.
So yeah, a bit late for this ship, but in case you guys are thinking of this again, please don't. Thank you.
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I am a KDF only player. Tell me about feeling the slide of hand, how do you think the KDF are feeling?
So? Because KDF is given the short end of the stick you want others to get a bad treatment too?
Not only am I advocating the rom one getting adjusted, I am also wanting the kdf one to get cloak as well. Don't be so adversarial about this, instead put your energies to where the true problem is. If you have problems with KDF balance then put your frustration there, instead of attacking everything else but what the problem is.
In my opinion there is a lot of things that are wrong with this game (future ships being one of them), but they are here to stay, so it would be nice for things to make a little sense. This is just another thing to add to my list of things that aren't quite right lol
^^^Ah the burning clarity of logic :P
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You did a superb job. In my opinion, based only on the pix in the Blog, the two new Romulan time ships look great! (Honestly, I think they look better than either of the Fed/KDF versions.) Thumbs up!
That being said, I shouldn't expect to ever get one of these ships.
While cool, they are expensive, and I already have a character in a Wells Temporal Science Vessel (a Fed Alien, which happens to be a "Romulan" character I created back in 2012).
I have already created/planned-out all the Romulan Faction characters I'm going to have any time soon (One of each class, flying what are to me iconic ships: Lib Borg Rom/Fed/Sci/Khnial; Rom/???/Tac/D'Deridex (Retrofit, possibly Fleet); Rem/KDF/Eng/Scimitar). The time/effort/cost involved to level another character in rank, rep, fleet, DOffs, gear, etc. is too prohibitive to go for yet another, especially when:
It's not so much that I care about Romulan ships not having Singularity Cores or Cloak, it's that these "new" ships have the exact same stats as my existing Temporal ship. There won't be any difference in playability. If I want to play in a "Wells", I've already got a character set to go.
I'm happy to see the Romulan Faction getting rounded out.
They may not be for me, but it's still nice to see equality for the Roms.
Technically, that's not true. Liberated Borg Klingons (members of the KDF) have the Borg Racial Trait which includes Efficient, and Joined Trill KDFers have the Joined Trill Racial Trait (which includes a buff to a couple space stats).
Also, Letheans (including BOs) have access to Efficient, though I'll agree that this isn't a part of their "Racial Trait".
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
The Singularity Cores are the balance to the Romulan Battle Cloak, with reduced power levels and inferior modifiers; for example: [W->S] vs [Res]. The Singularity Powers do provide additional tactical options, but mostly just amount to a "shiny" to distract from the reduced effectiveness otherwise. Having a Warp Core would increase a Warbird's base power by 25% (160 total->200 total), not counting the superior modifiers, while giving up the use of one "shiny" every couple minutes.
Think of it this way: would you rather have a console that gave +40 to allocable power levels, or a console that does Singularity Jump?
So, without the Singularity Core, we don't get a Romulan Battle Cloak. I get it from a balance perspective... but I do think they wasted the design department's talents on a ship that could have simply unlocked their ally's Timeship instead. It's not like they are any different. This should've just been in Patch Notes.
Very, very well said.
I think what drkfrontiers meant to say (and please correct me if I'm wrong) was that the KDF doesn't have any space traits that are unique to the faction, the way the Republic does. I don't think that's the case for the Federation either, though (unless i'm forgetting something?).
Thanks yes thats what I meant to say. And Humans have Leadership. Romulans have Subterfuge. Klingons have nadda.
Please accept my apologies. Was ratty and you were the closest at hand