they had to make them copy and paste - can you imagine the bit*ching and complaining if they actually made them better? This thread would be 100 pages deep by now.
No one asked for a cloak without any caveats. I'd have gladly lost some shield modifier (like the Peghqu' compared to the Chimara), or even Sensor Analysis and Subsystem Targeting.
At least don't put the Subterfuge trait to waste on a Romulan ship!
and even if the Lore could serve as excuse due to the 'advanced technology being stripped', the Ferengi were able to sell cloak-capable ships before, the Tal Shiar Adapted warbirds. Not to mention there'd be nothing stopping Romulan captains bringing the lockbox-obtained timeships home to see them fitted with a Romulan cloak.
The Tholians stole it (like they did the KDFs) when they were stripping most of the technology, and existing Romulan Cloaking Devices are unable to integrate with the Temporal ship due to its advanced nature
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
OMFG... so I suggest there is a whole fleet of tholian ship equiped with 29th century weapons and 29th century cloaking devices heading to earth...
So, Cryptic are getting even lazier now eh? Copy & Paste and change some colors on the interior. Wow..... sometimes I wonder if Cryptic realise what they are suppose to be giving us. I had the opinion we were suppose to get a Free MMO where they can make changes and grow based on the needs of the community and what they would like to see while providing a diverse fun gaming experience to all players.
Instead, we just get rehashed features and very little creativity (and not just this Ship, this applies to a lot of things). It still kills me when I see the potential this game still has and Cryptic seem to avoid it. I sometimes wish another company had taken over instead of PWE, like Sony, SE or hell even Activision.
How could they change the ships without causing a sh*tstorm from existing owners:
if they added a cloak - KDF players would demand that their ships be fitted with a cloak - then Fed players would rightly demand that their ships with exactly the same stats also get a cloak - why should their ships have the same stats AND a cloak - where would the balance be in that?
Then if they modified these ships - people would be saying why do they have less of this or that.
These ships were to be added as an exact copy/paste of the Fed/KDF versions as if the Romulans had been in game when the box came out.
Why is this hard for people to understand? It's common sense!!
Even so, no one here expected something for nothing. If the Romulan Timeship gets cloak, it shouldn't be getting something else. Precedent indicates that a lower shield modifier would be the way to go (Chimera vs Peghqu').
And the Klingons aren't stuck wasting a main racial trait on their timeships either.
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I'm kind of picturing Cryptic devs reading over that thread and scoffing at us for not being happy with what was given to us.
"They wanted a Romulan Timeship, they got it, and now they are whining" along with some eyerolling.
I'll say why this miffes me.
I'm unhappy because I already invested in getting a reward pack from the Exchange. It was very pricey. Maybe it was unwise on my part to get it 'in advance' like that, but I had a lot of faith that the Romulan timeship would be pulled off right. I don't feel it was. I feel the effort was half-hearted, and that aside from the appearance there's nothing distinctively Romulan about the ship. I wasn't interested in a timeship like the Wells, I was interested in a Romulan timeship that would have the things that'd make it feel distinctively Romulan.
I'm unhappy because this feels wasteful. The Ship Art team managed to churn out a visually rather appealing ship for me. I kind of feel sorry for them, because that creation is kind of run to the ground by not having been allowed to rise up to its potential game design-wise.
I'm unhappy because this is a copy-paste job, and that I believed the powers-that-be would've have had the foresight to tailor this ship to fit with Romulan captains. For all the advantages and synergy Al Rivera seemed all too aware of between warbirds and Romulan/Reman innate traits, this shows none of it.
Frankly, I'm hoping you Cryptic people will change your minds, rather than stick to the unsatisfying lore excuse you've cobbled up.
So basically, there's no point in getting these ships if you already have them on a Fed or KDF. I hoped that they'd at least have singularity cores. And lol @ calling the Wells bridge recolor "unique".
The exteriors are gorgeous, though, so kudos for that. I've always loved Cryptic ship designs (and yes, I know I'm in a minority there).
The lack of a singularity core is a deal-breaker for me. It's a Romulan ship; it should be using Romulan technology. You guys really screwed the pooch here.
How could they change the ships without causing a sh*tstorm from existing owners:
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I personally was referring to the appearance, but in my opinion this is the problem. None of the ships in this game should really be the same. Every side should have to play to it's strengths and cover it's weaknesses. Again this is where there is a lack of diversity in this game and tactics never really come into play, long as you have enough firepower everything is fine.
Still, the fact the interior is just a blatant copy makes little sense on a Romulan timeship. It should at least have some kind of singularity core or something different that would make sense for a 29th century Romulan ship.
The same people *****ing that there is no core, are the same ones who say they wish they could take out the core of the Warbird and put a regular Antimatter core because it's a fail......then they wonder why Cryptic post on FB and Tweeter more. :rolleyes:
Even so, no one here expected something for nothing. If the Romulan Timeship gets cloak, it shouldn't be getting something else. Precedent indicates that a lower shield modifier would be the way to go (Chimera vs Peghqu').
And the Klingons aren't stuck wasting a main racial trait on their timeships either.
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I'm kind of picturing Cryptic devs reading over that thread and scoffing at us for not being happy with what was given to us.
"They wanted a Romulan Timeship, they got it, and now they are whining" along with some eyerolling.
I'll say why this miffes me.
I'm unhappy because I already invested in getting a reward pack from the Exchange. It was very pricey. Maybe it was unwise on my part to get it 'in advance' like that, but I had a lot of faith that the Romulan timeship would be pulled off right. I don't feel it was. I feel the effort was half-hearted, and that aside from the appearance there's nothing distinctively Romulan about the ship. I wasn't interested in a timeship like the Wells, I was interested in a Romulan timeship that would have the things that'd make it feel distinctively Romulan.
I'm unhappy because this feels wasteful. The Ship Art team managed to churn out a visually rather appealing ship for me. I kind of feel sorry for them, because that creation is kind of run to the ground by not having been allowed to rise up to its potential game design-wise.
I'm unhappy because this is a copy-paste job, and that I believed the powers-that-be would've have had the foresight to tailor this ship to fit with Romulan captains. For all the advantages and synergy Al Rivera seemed all too aware of between warbirds and Romulan/Reman innate traits, this shows none of it.
Frankly, I'm hoping you Cryptic people will change your minds, rather than stick to the unsatisfying lore excuse you've cobbled up.
If the Fed version is the same except for the skin - from the KDF version - why should the Romulan version get special treatment?
If the Fed version is the same except for the skin - from the KDF version - why should the Romulan version get special treatment?
They should all get special treatment, is the point. The Wells should be different from the Korath should be different from the R'mor. But they're all the exact same ship, just with different (and very pretty) skins, and recolored bridges. At the very least, there should be minor stat differences to reflect the different factions' play styles.
What's all this talk about favored treatment anyways? You're mentioning that as if it was exceptional. Truth is, the Romulan timeship itself is already exceptional. People asked for a Romulan timeship that was distinct from the one they'd get from their ally. Cryptic decided to go and fulfill that. Only, they kind of went halfway game design-wise.
Cryptic had also established that Romulan ships had their own battlecloaks and singularity cores. They sold them to us that way, and built an identity for them this way.
Frankly, I'm not wild about Singularity cores. I like the AM ones a lot more. But cloaking and Singularity cores is part of what makes a romulan ship distinctively a Romulan design. When I was enthused about a Romulan timeship, it was hardly just for a futuristic-looking skin on a ship that'd work exactly like that of my allied-faction's timeship.
They should all get special treatment, is the point. The Wells should be different from the Korath should be different from the R'mor. But they're all the exact same ship, just with different (and very pretty) skins, and recolored bridges. At the very least, there should be minor stat differences to reflect the different factions' play styles.
Right - so the ships that have been used by players in game for 8 months!! Should be changed and adjusted to make them different - don't you think that would cause some problems?
Right - so the ships that have been used by players in game for 8 months!! Should be changed and adjusted to make them different - don't you think that would cause some problems?
Never stopped Cryptic before. A bunch of have had our more valuable ships "rebalanced" out from under us. (See: science being nerfed into the ground.)
And no, I don't think they should do that to the Wells and Korath. The damage is done. I was just hoping that Cryptic would go some way towards rectifying the situation by making the Romulan timeships unique.
Love the attitude thats pervading this thread. Its like the high school kid that gets a great car for graduation when proceeds to throw a tantrum because its not a Porsche.
Love the attitude thats pervading this tread. Its like the high school kid that gets a great car for graduation when proceeds to throw a tantrum because its not a Porsche.
I'd say it's more like when the kid's parents promise to buy her a "new" car and it turns out to be literally the exact same one she already owns.
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We discussed whether or not the Romulan Temporal Ships should have singularity cores quite at length. In fact, I actually built them to have all the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloaking and changed it later on in the design process - so, it's not an issue of laziness or copy and paste.
We chose to go with the Matter/Antimatter core for a number of reasons.
1. Precedent. The Klingon Temporal Ships came with identical stats to the Federation counterparts and did not have Cloaking (unlike the Klingon veteran ship, which did have Cloaking in exchange for lower shields).
Giving the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloak to the Romulan ship would have made them the only distinct model, which may have come across as unfair to Klingon players. That would have left us with the options to keep the Klingon version as-is and potentially leave Klingon players feeling left in the dust, or to give the Klingon ships Cloaking and cut down something in exchange - which might have frustrated *other* players, who didn't like their stats being changed later.
We also could have buffed the Federation version in some way and given the Klingon version Cloak at the same time, but that would set a dangerous precedent for power creep, and the Temporal ships are already very powerful.
2. Continuity. By the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century (ENT Azati Prime), the Federation has allied with many of its former enemies, notably the Klingons and the Xindi. (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Battle_of_Procyon_V)
While Romulan ships are not specifically seen on screen in that battle (and a 300-year old Nova design is), the rise of the Romulan Republic and its relationship with the Federation make it logical to assume that in the distant future, Romulans will be sharing technology with many species, including those with warp cores.
3. Players have been asking for Romulan ships that do not have the lower base Warbird power levels since the launch of Legacy of Romulus. These ships allow us to provide that as an option that makes sense within the IP.
It was a tough call. We knew that some people would want prefer the ships to have Singularity Cores and some people would prefer for the ships to have Matter/Antimatter Cores. Ultimately, we made the decision that we felt would be the most balanced, consistent, and appropriate to the IP.
I would get one of these, but one issue.... contrary to how others feel, I feel it looks ugly. Not really what I envision a futuristic Romulan ship to look like. I'll stick with my Mirror Ha'apax.
We discussed whether or not the Romulan Temporal Ships should have singularity cores quite at length. In fact, I actually built them to have all the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloaking and changed it later on in the design process - so, it's not an issue of laziness or copy and paste.
We chose to go with the Matter/Antimatter core for a number of reasons.
1. Precedent. The Klingon Temporal Ships came with identical stats to the Federation counterparts and did not have Cloaking (unlike the Klingon veteran ship, which did have Cloaking in exchange for lower shields).
Giving the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloak to the Romulan ship would have made them the only distinct model, which may have come across as unfair to Klingon players. That would have left us with the options to keep the Klingon version as-is and potentially leave Klingon players feeling left in the dust, or to give the Klingon ships Cloaking and cut down something in exchange - which might have frustrated *other* players, who didn't like their stats being changed later.
We also could have buffed the Federation version in some way and given the Klingon version Cloak at the same time, but that would set a dangerous precedent for power creep, and the Temporal ships are already very powerful.
2. Continuity. By the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century (ENT Azati Prime), the Federation has allied with many of its former enemies, notably the Klingons and the Xindi. (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Battle_of_Procyon_V)
While Romulan ships are not specifically seen on screen in that battle (and a 300-year old Nova design is), the rise of the Romulan Republic and its relationship with the Federation make it logical to assume that in the distant future, Romulans will be sharing technology with many species, including those with warp cores.
3. Players have been asking for Romulan ships that do not have the lower base Warbird power levels since the launch of Legacy of Romulus. These ships allow us to provide that as an option that makes sense within the IP.
It was a tough call. We knew that some people would want prefer the ships to have Singularity Cores and some people would prefer for the ships to have Matter/Antimatter Cores. Ultimately, we made the decision that we felt would be the most balanced, consistent, and appropriate to the IP.
Thanks; this reasoning makes a lot of sense. I still don't like it, but it makes sense. Reason 3, especially, makes this a lot more palatable.
I know I've been complaining in this thread, but you guys really are great and I appreciate all you do for the game.
I was really looking forward to this ship but I won't be getting it.
It is simply not a Romulan ship where it counts. I don't care how much you would have had to cripple it to compensate, but it needed a battle cloak and a singularity core.
There was no need to make it the same as the KDF and FED time ships. It is not a FED or KDF ship. It's Romulan! Well, it's not!
"Of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: It might have been" - John Greenleaf Whittier as quoted in Peter David's Q-Squared.
We discussed whether or not the Romulan Temporal Ships should have singularity cores quite at length. In fact, I actually built them to have all the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloaking and changed it later on in the design process - so, it's not an issue of laziness or copy and paste.
We chose to go with the Matter/Antimatter core for a number of reasons.
1. Precedent. The Klingon Temporal Ships came with identical stats to the Federation counterparts and did not have Cloaking (unlike the Klingon veteran ship, which did have Cloaking in exchange for lower shields).
Giving the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloak to the Romulan ship would have made them the only distinct model, which may have come across as unfair to Klingon players. That would have left us with the options to keep the Klingon version as-is and potentially leave Klingon players feeling left in the dust, or to give the Klingon ships Cloaking and cut down something in exchange - which might have frustrated *other* players, who didn't like their stats being changed later.
We also could have buffed the Federation version in some way and given the Klingon version Cloak at the same time, but that would set a dangerous precedent for power creep, and the Temporal ships are already very powerful.
2. Continuity. By the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century (ENT Azati Prime), the Federation has allied with many of its former enemies, notably the Klingons and the Xindi. (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Battle_of_Procyon_V)
While Romulan ships are not specifically seen on screen in that battle (and a 300-year old Nova design is), the rise of the Romulan Republic and its relationship with the Federation make it logical to assume that in the distant future, Romulans will be sharing technology with many species, including those with warp cores.
3. Players have been asking for Romulan ships that do not have the lower base Warbird power levels since the launch of Legacy of Romulus. These ships allow us to provide that as an option that makes sense within the IP.
It was a tough call. We knew that some people would want prefer the ships to have Singularity Cores and some people would prefer for the ships to have Matter/Antimatter Cores. Ultimately, we made the decision that we felt would be the most balanced, consistent, and appropriate to the IP.
Thanks for adding some logic and rational explainations to all this ranting. You have proven false the claims that the devs don't listen to the players concerns.
P.S. Buff the Transphasic torps to 60% by-pass please - with all the passive to hull and shields and new armor console torps are useless. A new Doff that adds shield by-pass like the new BO projectile doff would be great was well:P:D;)
I'd say it's more like when the kid's parents promise to buy her a "new" car and it turns out to be literally the exact same one she already owns.
Its a faction version/ replica of the same ship, as it was always intended to be.
Why should it be any different? People have been happily running the exact copies on their Fed/KDF toons for months now. Why all of a sudden the grave sense of injustice (in this thread, not you per say) just because its Romulan?
We discussed whether or not the Romulan Temporal Ships should have singularity cores quite at length. In fact, I actually built them to have all the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloaking and changed it later on in the design process - so, it's not an issue of laziness or copy and paste.
We chose to go with the Matter/Antimatter core for a number of reasons.
1. Precedent. The Klingon Temporal Ships came with identical stats to the Federation counterparts and did not have Cloaking (unlike the Klingon veteran ship, which did have Cloaking in exchange for lower shields).
Giving the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloak to the Romulan ship would have made them the only distinct model, which may have come across as unfair to Klingon players. That would have left us with the options to keep the Klingon version as-is and potentially leave Klingon players feeling left in the dust, or to give the Klingon ships Cloaking and cut down something in exchange - which might have frustrated *other* players, who didn't like their stats being changed later.
We also could have buffed the Federation version in some way and given the Klingon version Cloak at the same time, but that would set a dangerous precedent for power creep, and the Temporal ships are already very powerful.
2. Continuity. By the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century (ENT Azati Prime), the Federation has allied with many of its former enemies, notably the Klingons and the Xindi. (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Battle_of_Procyon_V)
While Romulan ships are not specifically seen on screen in that battle (and a 300-year old Nova design is), the rise of the Romulan Republic and its relationship with the Federation make it logical to assume that in the distant future, Romulans will be sharing technology with many species, including those with warp cores.
3. Players have been asking for Romulan ships that do not have the lower base Warbird power levels since the launch of Legacy of Romulus. These ships allow us to provide that as an option that makes sense within the IP.
It was a tough call. We knew that some people would want prefer the ships to have Singularity Cores and some people would prefer for the ships to have Matter/Antimatter Cores. Ultimately, we made the decision that we felt would be the most balanced, consistent, and appropriate to the IP.
I appreciate you chiming in. However, I really don't agree with your first point in regard to the absence of cloak.
The reason: the innate Romulan or Reman racial traits: Subterfuge. Operative and Infiltrator build on that same foundation too.
Romulans/Remans end up on these timeships, completely losing out on their innate racial ability. Klingons and Federation characters don't have that problem at all. Different animal, really.
I can live without the singularity core. But the absence of the cloak isn't something I can get over. I do expect a balancing caveat, I don't expect that advantage would come for free, but it just has to be there.
They use warp cores and do not have access to singularity abilities.
EDIT: I've added "Matter-Antimatter Warp Core" to both ships' stats.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Why are neither of these ships using Singularity cores? they're Romulan only after all and there is a decided lack of Singularity Science Vessels. I'm definitely not happy with such a decision, if you were going to give them warp cores you should have made it so we get the allied ships instead.
Thanks for adding some logic and rational explainations to all this ranting. You have proven false the claims that the devs don't listen to the players concerns.
To be fair, they've been proving those claims false ever since mid-S7 or so. And they proved it in a big way with LoR. I guess I should apologize for some of my snippiness on this thread; I'm disappointed, but it's not like the game is RUINED FOREVER or anything like that.
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No singularity core, no cloak , no unique skin from timeship shuttle (or even a unique shuttle itself)
the copy pasta is strong with cryptic
But to be honest, lack of a cloak on a Romulan ship, really is a deal breaker for me personally.
It was almost a deal beaker on the Klingon ship, but I won it right off, so I opened it anyways.
I don't think I'll be actively trying to get the Romulan one tho.
At least don't put the Subterfuge trait to waste on a Romulan ship!
and even if the Lore could serve as excuse due to the 'advanced technology being stripped', the Ferengi were able to sell cloak-capable ships before, the Tal Shiar Adapted warbirds. Not to mention there'd be nothing stopping Romulan captains bringing the lockbox-obtained timeships home to see them fitted with a Romulan cloak.
OMFG... so I suggest there is a whole fleet of tholian ship equiped with 29th century weapons and 29th century cloaking devices heading to earth...
Instead, we just get rehashed features and very little creativity (and not just this Ship, this applies to a lot of things). It still kills me when I see the potential this game still has and Cryptic seem to avoid it. I sometimes wish another company had taken over instead of PWE, like Sony, SE or hell even Activision.
Just giving access to the allied vessels would have been the better choice.
if they added a cloak - KDF players would demand that their ships be fitted with a cloak - then Fed players would rightly demand that their ships with exactly the same stats also get a cloak - why should their ships have the same stats AND a cloak - where would the balance be in that?
Then if they modified these ships - people would be saying why do they have less of this or that.
These ships were to be added as an exact copy/paste of the Fed/KDF versions as if the Romulans had been in game when the box came out.
Why is this hard for people to understand? It's common sense!!
Even so, no one here expected something for nothing. If the Romulan Timeship gets cloak, it shouldn't be getting something else. Precedent indicates that a lower shield modifier would be the way to go (Chimera vs Peghqu').
And the Klingons aren't stuck wasting a main racial trait on their timeships either.
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I'm kind of picturing Cryptic devs reading over that thread and scoffing at us for not being happy with what was given to us.
"They wanted a Romulan Timeship, they got it, and now they are whining" along with some eyerolling.
I'll say why this miffes me.
I'm unhappy because I already invested in getting a reward pack from the Exchange. It was very pricey. Maybe it was unwise on my part to get it 'in advance' like that, but I had a lot of faith that the Romulan timeship would be pulled off right. I don't feel it was. I feel the effort was half-hearted, and that aside from the appearance there's nothing distinctively Romulan about the ship. I wasn't interested in a timeship like the Wells, I was interested in a Romulan timeship that would have the things that'd make it feel distinctively Romulan.
I'm unhappy because this feels wasteful. The Ship Art team managed to churn out a visually rather appealing ship for me. I kind of feel sorry for them, because that creation is kind of run to the ground by not having been allowed to rise up to its potential game design-wise.
I'm unhappy because this is a copy-paste job, and that I believed the powers-that-be would've have had the foresight to tailor this ship to fit with Romulan captains. For all the advantages and synergy Al Rivera seemed all too aware of between warbirds and Romulan/Reman innate traits, this shows none of it.
Frankly, I'm hoping you Cryptic people will change your minds, rather than stick to the unsatisfying lore excuse you've cobbled up.
The exteriors are gorgeous, though, so kudos for that. I've always loved Cryptic ship designs (and yes, I know I'm in a minority there).
I personally was referring to the appearance, but in my opinion this is the problem. None of the ships in this game should really be the same. Every side should have to play to it's strengths and cover it's weaknesses. Again this is where there is a lack of diversity in this game and tactics never really come into play, long as you have enough firepower everything is fine.
Still, the fact the interior is just a blatant copy makes little sense on a Romulan timeship. It should at least have some kind of singularity core or something different that would make sense for a 29th century Romulan ship.
If the Fed version is the same except for the skin - from the KDF version - why should the Romulan version get special treatment?
They should all get special treatment, is the point. The Wells should be different from the Korath should be different from the R'mor. But they're all the exact same ship, just with different (and very pretty) skins, and recolored bridges. At the very least, there should be minor stat differences to reflect the different factions' play styles.
Cryptic had also established that Romulan ships had their own battlecloaks and singularity cores. They sold them to us that way, and built an identity for them this way.
Frankly, I'm not wild about Singularity cores. I like the AM ones a lot more. But cloaking and Singularity cores is part of what makes a romulan ship distinctively a Romulan design. When I was enthused about a Romulan timeship, it was hardly just for a futuristic-looking skin on a ship that'd work exactly like that of my allied-faction's timeship.
We're 2013, not 2012 anymore.
Right - so the ships that have been used by players in game for 8 months!! Should be changed and adjusted to make them different - don't you think that would cause some problems?
Never stopped Cryptic before. A bunch of have had our more valuable ships "rebalanced" out from under us. (See: science being nerfed into the ground.)
And no, I don't think they should do that to the Wells and Korath. The damage is done. I was just hoping that Cryptic would go some way towards rectifying the situation by making the Romulan timeships unique.
Love the attitude thats pervading this thread. Its like the high school kid that gets a great car for graduation when proceeds to throw a tantrum because its not a Porsche.
I'd say it's more like when the kid's parents promise to buy her a "new" car and it turns out to be literally the exact same one she already owns.
We chose to go with the Matter/Antimatter core for a number of reasons.
1. Precedent. The Klingon Temporal Ships came with identical stats to the Federation counterparts and did not have Cloaking (unlike the Klingon veteran ship, which did have Cloaking in exchange for lower shields).
Giving the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloak to the Romulan ship would have made them the only distinct model, which may have come across as unfair to Klingon players. That would have left us with the options to keep the Klingon version as-is and potentially leave Klingon players feeling left in the dust, or to give the Klingon ships Cloaking and cut down something in exchange - which might have frustrated *other* players, who didn't like their stats being changed later.
We also could have buffed the Federation version in some way and given the Klingon version Cloak at the same time, but that would set a dangerous precedent for power creep, and the Temporal ships are already very powerful.
2. Continuity. By the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century (ENT Azati Prime), the Federation has allied with many of its former enemies, notably the Klingons and the Xindi. (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Battle_of_Procyon_V)
While Romulan ships are not specifically seen on screen in that battle (and a 300-year old Nova design is), the rise of the Romulan Republic and its relationship with the Federation make it logical to assume that in the distant future, Romulans will be sharing technology with many species, including those with warp cores.
3. Players have been asking for Romulan ships that do not have the lower base Warbird power levels since the launch of Legacy of Romulus. These ships allow us to provide that as an option that makes sense within the IP.
It was a tough call. We knew that some people would want prefer the ships to have Singularity Cores and some people would prefer for the ships to have Matter/Antimatter Cores. Ultimately, we made the decision that we felt would be the most balanced, consistent, and appropriate to the IP.
Thanks; this reasoning makes a lot of sense. I still don't like it, but it makes sense. Reason 3, especially, makes this a lot more palatable.
I know I've been complaining in this thread, but you guys really are great and I appreciate all you do for the game.
It is simply not a Romulan ship where it counts. I don't care how much you would have had to cripple it to compensate, but it needed a battle cloak and a singularity core.
There was no need to make it the same as the KDF and FED time ships. It is not a FED or KDF ship. It's Romulan! Well, it's not!
"Of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: It might have been" - John Greenleaf Whittier as quoted in Peter David's Q-Squared.
Thanks for adding some logic and rational explainations to all this ranting. You have proven false the claims that the devs don't listen to the players concerns.
P.S. Buff the Transphasic torps to 60% by-pass please - with all the passive to hull and shields and new armor console torps are useless. A new Doff that adds shield by-pass like the new BO projectile doff would be great was well:P:D;)
Its a faction version/ replica of the same ship, as it was always intended to be.
Why should it be any different? People have been happily running the exact copies on their Fed/KDF toons for months now. Why all of a sudden the grave sense of injustice (in this thread, not you per say) just because its Romulan?
I appreciate you chiming in. However, I really don't agree with your first point in regard to the absence of cloak.
The reason: the innate Romulan or Reman racial traits: Subterfuge. Operative and Infiltrator build on that same foundation too.
Romulans/Remans end up on these timeships, completely losing out on their innate racial ability. Klingons and Federation characters don't have that problem at all. Different animal, really.
I can live without the singularity core. But the absence of the cloak isn't something I can get over. I do expect a balancing caveat, I don't expect that advantage would come for free, but it just has to be there.
Why are neither of these ships using Singularity cores? they're Romulan only after all and there is a decided lack of Singularity Science Vessels. I'm definitely not happy with such a decision, if you were going to give them warp cores you should have made it so we get the allied ships instead.
To be fair, they've been proving those claims false ever since mid-S7 or so.