2. Continuity. By the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century (ENT Azati Prime), the Federation has allied with many of its former enemies, notably the Klingons and the Xindi. (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Battle_of_Procyon_V)
While Romulan ships are not specifically seen on screen in that battle (and a 300-year old Nova design is), the rise of the Romulan Republic and its relationship with the Federation make it logical to assume that in the distant future, Romulans will be sharing technology with many species, including those with warp cores.
By that logic, they probably would have shared their cloaking tech with the Feds too, so then all three temporal vessels should have cloaking devices.
Plus, from canon the singularity cores were more powerful than the anti-matter cores, so sharing tech or not they wouldn't have given them up. Really if you wanted a more plausible reason for the lack of a singularity core, you could have said something like "after several failed attempts, the Romulans determined that their singularity cores were too unstable to safely traverse temporal rifts" or something along those lines. :P
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With the singularity cores being the defining characteristic of the romulans though, it really feels like a letdown. It would have been nice instead to balance the stats with the singularity drive instead of just the same ship with a new (granted, nice looking) skin.
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very nicely put - sums up my thoughts on the situation as well. If they use Warp Cores, it's pretty much just a newly skinned ship -- not really 'Romulan' at all. No bigee, just helps me decide to not bother attempting to get one on my Romulan character.
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Okay after reading ArchonCryptic's post (link) as to the reasoning for the ships having Anti-Matter Warp Cores; and the thought process behind it, I'm a bit more forgiving; and get why they decided to go the route they did.
Now, while I don't particularly like the ultimate decision, it shows it wasn't an afterthought; or just a quick 're-skin' to get some cash. They put some work and some thought into all of this; and that, I appreciate.
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This is so far beyond a joke now it's just pathetic. Not only is this pathetic, it's also illegal, as it contains false advertising.
Both ships are purchasable through buying key via zen or Lobi which also primarily requires using zen (yes they can be acquired vis EC). Advertising that these products come with a unique bridge is illegal as the bridge is only a re-color and less that 50% modification of the existing Federation Bridge, therefore it is not "unique" and stating so is false advertising.
A matter-anti matter core instead of a singularity core like it should have. (Balance reason is BS, that's why the power levels are lower)
Now even items that are primarily purchased through the usage of Zen or Lobi are being haphazardly thrown together without any concern for quality. When will this lust for profit over quality ever end?
Advertising that these products come with a unique bridge is illegal as the bridge is only a re-color and less that 50% modification of the existing Federation Bridge, therefore it is not "unique" and stating so is false advertising.
Are you an attorney?
I mean, I'm not either, but I would think that the fact that they actually show you what the bridge looks like right there in the post demonstrates that they have no intent to advertise deceptively. Is the use of the word "unique" ridiculous? Yes. Illegal? I highly doubt it. (Technically it is "unique" in the sense that the other two aren't green. Silly, yes, but the law actually cares about those sorts of minutiae.)
Thanks yes thats what I meant to say. And Humans have Leadership. Romulans have Subterfuge. Klingons have nadda.
There is a reason for that - KDF players and their ships are already so ridiculously OP - adding other traits would simply crash the severs from the amount of OPness coming from the KDF:rolleyes:
We have to give the Feds and Romulans some hope when we log on to our KDF toons:P
There is a reason for that - KDF players and their ships are already so ridiculously OP - adding other traits would simply crash the severs from the amount of OPness coming from the KDF:rolleyes:
We have to give the Feds and Romulans some hope when we log on to our KDF toons:P
I lol'd at this. (ETA: A commiserating lol, not a derisive lol!)
It was a tough call. We knew that some people would want prefer the ships to have Singularity Cores and some people would prefer for the ships to have Matter/Antimatter Cores. Ultimately, we made the decision that we felt would be the most balanced, consistent, and appropriate to the IP.
Wrong choice in my opinion. The Tholian ships covered the "multifaction science ship with a warp core" niche nicely. No point of having three different ships if they are not different at all.
Oh well, I will vote with my wallet as usual.
There is a reason for that - KDF players and their ships are already so ridiculously OP - adding other traits would simply crash the severs from the amount of OPness coming from the KDF:rolleyes:
We have to give the Feds and Romulans some hope when we log on to our KDF toons:P
That's the biggest load of .... Seriously tired of these comments that KDF ships are OP.
That's the biggest load of .... Seriously tired of these comments that KDF ships are OP.
I guess you missed that the post was being sarcastic:P:eek:
You people should have nothing to cry about - the biggest ship travesty so far is the Fleet B'rel not upgrading to 4 tac consoles!! WTH - the romulan Bop has the same EBC - 4 tac consoles - and more hull- maybe a tiny bit lower turn. Sure she has 4 uni boff slots but only 3 tac consoles is a travesty!!
...I think what drkfrontiers meant to say (and please correct me if I'm wrong) was that the KDF doesn't have any space traits that are unique to the faction, the way the Republic does. I don't think that's the case for the Federation either, though (unless i'm forgetting something?).
Thanks yes thats what I meant to say. And Humans have Leadership. Romulans have Subterfuge. Klingons have nadda.
Ah. Got it. In which case, you are correct: KDF do not have any faction-unique space traits.
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Lots of silly unjustified complaints here. Nobody is forcing you to buy the ship, it gives Romulans much needed options to have MA core ships at end game, also temporal powers and battle cloak and singularity powers together would be a little too much. 2 of the best ships in game being released for Romulans and all some people can do is complain:rolleyes:
I never personally cared much for the temporal ships since the fed and kdf models werent my style but I think I'll get this one just because so many people are being obnoxious about it.
Very glad these were finally added, and good looking ships at that.
To everyone complaining, you should have realized that these are lockbox ships, and like EVERY lockbox ship the stats are the same for each faction, as well as the lack of battle cloak and singularity cores. You cant have fed and FDF ships using singularity cores after all (not yet).
These are not OP, they are identical to the existing Fed and KDF ships. That being said, the Wells/SCI ship is my favorite sci ship by far and any Romulan sci would be lucky to have one.
I opened one on Tribble - they do look very sharp. Especially with the Mirror and Veteran skins.
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Ugly looking ship, sorry jam jamz, but this one I just cant back. 2ndly, omg copy and paste much, and you guys couldn't even go the extra yard and include a 29th century outfit even though the kdf and federation have them.
For me I don't back little effort projects. So I will not be getting this for my romulan that's for sure. Sticken with my dd
Ah. Got it. In which case, you are correct: KDF do not have any faction-unique space traits.
What about the Nausicaan damage and Perception bonuses in Space? Or are those non-functional after the Trait revamp? Not nearly as cool, but it's there...
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We discussed whether or not the Romulan Temporal Ships should have singularity cores quite at length. In fact, I actually built them to have all the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloaking and changed it later on in the design process - so, it's not an issue of laziness or copy and paste.
We chose to go with the Matter/Antimatter core for a number of reasons.
1. Precedent. The Klingon Temporal Ships came with identical stats to the Federation counterparts and did not have Cloaking (unlike the Klingon veteran ship, which did have Cloaking in exchange for lower shields).
Giving the Singularity mechanics and Romulan Battle Cloak to the Romulan ship would have made them the only distinct model, which may have come across as unfair to Klingon players. That would have left us with the options to keep the Klingon version as-is and potentially leave Klingon players feeling left in the dust, or to give the Klingon ships Cloaking and cut down something in exchange - which might have frustrated *other* players, who didn't like their stats being changed later.
We also could have buffed the Federation version in some way and given the Klingon version Cloak at the same time, but that would set a dangerous precedent for power creep, and the Temporal ships are already very powerful.
2. Continuity. By the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century (ENT Azati Prime), the Federation has allied with many of its former enemies, notably the Klingons and the Xindi. (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Battle_of_Procyon_V)
While Romulan ships are not specifically seen on screen in that battle (and a 300-year old Nova design is), the rise of the Romulan Republic and its relationship with the Federation make it logical to assume that in the distant future, Romulans will be sharing technology with many species, including those with warp cores.
3. Players have been asking for Romulan ships that do not have the lower base Warbird power levels since the launch of Legacy of Romulus. These ships allow us to provide that as an option that makes sense within the IP.
It was a tough call. We knew that some people would want prefer the ships to have Singularity Cores and some people would prefer for the ships to have Matter/Antimatter Cores. Ultimately, we made the decision that we felt would be the most balanced, consistent, and appropriate to the IP.
I don't have any horse in this game, but I REALLY appreciate you explaining the "why".
You see, that's the problem with this game lately is that most of the changes and nerfs come with no explaination of the "why". I appreciate your explanation. While I might not agree with it in its' entirety, I'm satisfied. Thanks.
I've got to say that the fact that they aren't sporting Singularity Cores or Cloaks is just wrong, I seriously doubt that the Romulans would change the founding technology that their ships are based off of.
This has got to be the biggest load of copy/paste $#!+ I have ever seen. I don't want to hear the whole, "well the Ferengi fixed them with what they know". You gonna tell me that after the Romulans allied with the Fed/KDF that the Ferengi can't find Romulans willing to help repair Romulan ships? Especially considering the Republic needs ships and advanced technologies of their own? I mean come on you know those systems are going to be built with a Powergrid and EPS system designed for both Singularity Core and Cloaking device, you'd likely have to redesign the whole thing to make it accommodate a standard Warp Core to begin with, then you wouldn't be able to call them Romulan Temporal ships anymore.
I could see limiting the Singularity powers on them but they should have at least some of them, they should be running Singularity Cores, the Sci ship should have a Cloak and the Tac one should have the Romulan Battle Cloak. Anything less and these ships are shiny pieces of Targ $#!+ sporting a Romulan-esk hull IMHO.
-Ferengi 1, "I have an idea to make a killer Profit! We'll take a couple of the Fed/KDF Temporal Ships we have in inventory, modify the hulls to something that'll appeal to the Romulans and open up a new customer base."
-Ferengi 2, "Won't the Romulans be able to tell the difference?"
-Ferengi 1, "That's the beauty of it, they'll be so surprised and desperate to get hold of them they won't know the difference till its too late, besides they'll technically be Temporal Ships which is the only guarantee we'll offer."
-Ferengi 2, "We should lobby for a new Rule of Acquisition. Rule of Acquisition 287, If it sounds too good to be true...
-Both Ferengi, "Their'll be a sucker that'll buy it!"
It was a tough call. We knew that some people would want prefer the ships to have Singularity Cores and some people would prefer for the ships to have Matter/Antimatter Cores. Ultimately, we made the decision that we felt would be the most balanced, consistent, and appropriate to the IP.
The roughest thing not mentioned is how you don't see them used much at all is due to the dps races.
Although good to know you know a lot of canon there Begs a question of taking that into account that there must be something as said (there are a lot of important events in the 25th century you are to be a part of) that I would think would integrate these lockboxes into filling a gap in time between the battle that you posted about Some how all these enemies would have had to come together even though the game can be viewed as canon or non-canon right now its all there is for Trek Story
I do think with some new features to the game like territory control it would give all of that along with some more story telling make all of that feel like its all coming together I've just always figured the KDF time ships could use a cloak since science based ships seem to have taken a back seat in this game for both factions unless its a carrier.
While I very much applaud The ingenious designs of the ship's exterior, I must say it's a bit disappointing that you reused a federation interior with a green color scheme on a Romulan vessel. I have been very much been amazed with the elegant yet simple interiors of the lockbox ships but this is a bit lacking. The Mobius recoloring I will let you get away with as it is a mirror universe version, but it seems like a cheap move here. Not necessarily asking you to change it right away or at all, but please bear this in mind.
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No worries it happens. Just hoping things get adjusted, but I know I'm probably wasting my breath.
By that logic, they probably would have shared their cloaking tech with the Feds too, so then all three temporal vessels should have cloaking devices.
Plus, from canon the singularity cores were more powerful than the anti-matter cores, so sharing tech or not they wouldn't have given them up. Really if you wanted a more plausible reason for the lack of a singularity core, you could have said something like "after several failed attempts, the Romulans determined that their singularity cores were too unstable to safely traverse temporal rifts" or something along those lines. :P
^^^
very nicely put - sums up my thoughts on the situation as well. If they use Warp Cores, it's pretty much just a newly skinned ship -- not really 'Romulan' at all. No bigee, just helps me decide to not bother attempting to get one on my Romulan character.
Edited to add:
Okay after reading ArchonCryptic's post (link) as to the reasoning for the ships having Anti-Matter Warp Cores; and the thought process behind it, I'm a bit more forgiving; and get why they decided to go the route they did.
Now, while I don't particularly like the ultimate decision, it shows it wasn't an afterthought; or just a quick 're-skin' to get some cash. They put some work and some thought into all of this; and that, I appreciate.
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Both ships are purchasable through buying key via zen or Lobi which also primarily requires using zen (yes they can be acquired vis EC). Advertising that these products come with a unique bridge is illegal as the bridge is only a re-color and less that 50% modification of the existing Federation Bridge, therefore it is not "unique" and stating so is false advertising.
A matter-anti matter core instead of a singularity core like it should have. (Balance reason is BS, that's why the power levels are lower)
Now even items that are primarily purchased through the usage of Zen or Lobi are being haphazardly thrown together without any concern for quality. When will this lust for profit over quality ever end?
Are you an attorney?
I mean, I'm not either, but I would think that the fact that they actually show you what the bridge looks like right there in the post demonstrates that they have no intent to advertise deceptively. Is the use of the word "unique" ridiculous? Yes. Illegal? I highly doubt it. (Technically it is "unique" in the sense that the other two aren't green. Silly, yes, but the law actually cares about those sorts of minutiae.)
There is a reason for that - KDF players and their ships are already so ridiculously OP - adding other traits would simply crash the severs from the amount of OPness coming from the KDF:rolleyes:
We have to give the Feds and Romulans some hope when we log on to our KDF toons:P
I lol'd at this. (ETA: A commiserating lol, not a derisive lol!)
Wrong choice in my opinion. The Tholian ships covered the "multifaction science ship with a warp core" niche nicely. No point of having three different ships if they are not different at all.
Oh well, I will vote with my wallet as usual.
Any plans to start dropping temporal lock boxes again any time soon?
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That's the biggest load of .... Seriously tired of these comments that KDF ships are OP.
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I guess you missed that the post was being sarcastic:P:eek:
You people should have nothing to cry about - the biggest ship travesty so far is the Fleet B'rel not upgrading to 4 tac consoles!! WTH - the romulan Bop has the same EBC - 4 tac consoles - and more hull- maybe a tiny bit lower turn. Sure she has 4 uni boff slots but only 3 tac consoles is a travesty!!
Same argument can be said about the KDF versions of these ships.
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Ah. Got it. In which case, you are correct: KDF do not have any faction-unique space traits.
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Especially those who spend fleet credits and dilithium on Fleet singularity cores and now have to go buy Fleet Antimatter core. haha funny
No seriously, that sucks. I too was looking forward to the lobi store version, but not now :P Saved me some real world $$ !
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I never personally cared much for the temporal ships since the fed and kdf models werent my style but I think I'll get this one just because so many people are being obnoxious about it.
You can feel sorry for me
I love my temporal Rommie ship
It's not like it cost very much anyway, I only had to sell $80 worth of keys to get it.
To everyone complaining, you should have realized that these are lockbox ships, and like EVERY lockbox ship the stats are the same for each faction, as well as the lack of battle cloak and singularity cores. You cant have fed and FDF ships using singularity cores after all (not yet).
These are not OP, they are identical to the existing Fed and KDF ships. That being said, the Wells/SCI ship is my favorite sci ship by far and any Romulan sci would be lucky to have one.
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Ugly looking ship, sorry jam jamz, but this one I just cant back. 2ndly, omg copy and paste much, and you guys couldn't even go the extra yard and include a 29th century outfit even though the kdf and federation have them.
For me I don't back little effort projects. So I will not be getting this for my romulan that's for sure. Sticken with my dd
What about the Nausicaan damage and Perception bonuses in Space? Or are those non-functional after the Trait revamp? Not nearly as cool, but it's there...
I don't have any horse in this game, but I REALLY appreciate you explaining the "why".
You see, that's the problem with this game lately is that most of the changes and nerfs come with no explaination of the "why". I appreciate your explanation. While I might not agree with it in its' entirety, I'm satisfied. Thanks.
This has got to be the biggest load of copy/paste $#!+ I have ever seen. I don't want to hear the whole, "well the Ferengi fixed them with what they know". You gonna tell me that after the Romulans allied with the Fed/KDF that the Ferengi can't find Romulans willing to help repair Romulan ships? Especially considering the Republic needs ships and advanced technologies of their own? I mean come on you know those systems are going to be built with a Powergrid and EPS system designed for both Singularity Core and Cloaking device, you'd likely have to redesign the whole thing to make it accommodate a standard Warp Core to begin with, then you wouldn't be able to call them Romulan Temporal ships anymore.
I could see limiting the Singularity powers on them but they should have at least some of them, they should be running Singularity Cores, the Sci ship should have a Cloak and the Tac one should have the Romulan Battle Cloak. Anything less and these ships are shiny pieces of Targ $#!+ sporting a Romulan-esk hull IMHO.
-Ferengi 1, "I have an idea to make a killer Profit! We'll take a couple of the Fed/KDF Temporal Ships we have in inventory, modify the hulls to something that'll appeal to the Romulans and open up a new customer base."
-Ferengi 2, "Won't the Romulans be able to tell the difference?"
-Ferengi 1, "That's the beauty of it, they'll be so surprised and desperate to get hold of them they won't know the difference till its too late, besides they'll technically be Temporal Ships which is the only guarantee we'll offer."
-Ferengi 2, "We should lobby for a new Rule of Acquisition. Rule of Acquisition 287, If it sounds too good to be true...
-Both Ferengi, "Their'll be a sucker that'll buy it!"
Thanks for the ships, they look good!
This ship have best BOff layout for a healer.
The roughest thing not mentioned is how you don't see them used much at all is due to the dps races.
Although good to know you know a lot of canon there
I do think with some new features to the game like territory control it would give all of that along with some more story telling make all of that feel like its all coming together I've just always figured the KDF time ships could use a cloak since science based ships seem to have taken a back seat in this game for both factions unless its a carrier.