Wow, Lazarus. That's quite an angry post there. You also mixed up several different people's comments and lumped them all together.
As for my comments that were quoted in that long diatribe, I said that the LGBT rights movement is not "purely" political in nature. Of course, in order for any cause to be successful, it must contain political aspects.
I liked the part where he stated that the forum rules constituted a contract and that PWE had a legal obligation to follow its own rules.
:eek:
I am heterosexual and I do not have any close TRIBBLE friends or relatives, but yet I never understood the level of bigotry toward gays that still exist in our society. Having grown up in the Bay Area, sometimes I forget how much intolerance towards gays still remains in the heartland of America. It is sad that some of these people call themselves Star Trek fans.
In any case, I have often thought that the subject of Star Trek as a vehicle for social and political progress would make the topic of an interesting book, so not surprisingly, I enjoyed the blog.
u say that back in the 60's they let chxov sulo and urua in to being in the team but u r forgetting the female number 1 was removed from her spot as first officer and fired and the they put spook in her place so what was up with that I am 56 year old I remember that I saw the first session when they did not see it going any where but look at now can remember who the orichnal first offer was and she was only in the first session
One of those "sexual behaviors" - and let's just be clear, here, that sexual orientation goes a lot farther and is a lot more defining than simple bedroom behavior - is practiced consensually with adults of legal age and has never been demonstrated to inflict harm on anyone (at least, not in any way that heterosexual sex doesn't). One of them is nonconsensual by definition, involves an adult and a child who is neither sexually mature nor capable of adult consent, and has heavily documented evidence of harm for the child and additional, though lesser, harm to the adult.
So no, they don't really compare, any more than sex by force (since the filter won't allow me to use the r word) and oral sex are comparable because they both happen to be "sexual behaviors." Shame on you for trying to imply that they do.
May I remind you that throughout history, quite a few little girls (10, 11, 12 year old) have been married to kings or other "high society" people?
Like I said in other posts, just like the TRIBBLE lobby, there will be an emerging pedophiliac lobby that will push to lower the consentment age (the number of adult having sex with children is increasing at an alarming rate).
I liked the part where he stated that the forum rules constituted a contract and that PWE had a legal obligation to follow its own rules.
:eek:
I am heterosexual and I do not have any close TRIBBLE friends or relatives, but yet I never understood the level of bigotry toward gays that still exist in our society. Having grown up in the Bay Area, sometimes I forget how much intolerance towards gays still remains in the heartland of America. It is sad that some of these people call themselves Star Trek fans.
In any case, I have often thought that the subject of Star Trek as a vehicle for social and political progress would make the topic of an interesting book, so not surprisingly, I enjoyed the blog.
It is always nice to encounter another enlightened human being.
u say that back in the 60's they let chxov sulo and urua in to being in the team but u r forgetting the female number 1 was removed from her spot as first officer and fired and the they put spook in her place so what was up with that I am 56 year old I remember that I saw the first session when they did not see it going any where but look at now can remember who the orichnal first offer was and she was only in the first session
Actually, that was the pilot episode and it was never aired, so you never would have seen it, except for in segments during the episode The Cage.
And it misses the point entirely. Star Trek tried to be progressive, but the pilot was rejected because studio executives did not feel that 1960's audiences could handle an alien and a woman being in command of the Enterprise.
Roddenbury rewrote a new show Where no Man Has Gone Before, but refused to remove Spock. Then, in later episodes he added the characters of Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov.
Outstanding article. For years, generations really, Trek fans have been working to make Gene's vision of a united future for Earth and it's people, a reality. Thank you for bringing Star Trek's long tradition of acceptance, equality and hope to the front page of STO.
u say that back in the 60's they let chxov sulo and urua in to being in the team but u r forgetting the female number 1 was removed from her spot as first officer and fired and the they put spook in her place so what was up with that I am 56 year old I remember that I saw the first session when they did not see it going any where but look at now can remember who the orichnal first offer was and she was only in the first session
As logicalspock said, that was the pilot.
However, an interesting side note that some people aren't aware of, is that that Star Trek TOS was produced by Desilu Studios, that was owned by Lucille Ball. So, a woman was more than just First Officer. One was literally in charge of Star Trek's destiny.
May I remind you that throughout history, quite a few little girls (10, 11, 12 year old) have been married to kings or other "high society" people?
Like I said in other posts, just like the TRIBBLE lobby, there will be an emerging pedophiliac lobby that will push to lower the consentment age (the number of adult having sex with children is increasing at an alarming rate).
What does that have to do with the blog celebrating tolerance for diversity in Star Trek? What does that have to do with the fleet's pride event?
Absolutely nothing.
It is an illogical, ad hominem attack whereby you attempt to associate an event celebrating the long struggle for equality for same-sex relationships with unlawful sexual conduct that is widely reviled by most individuals in modern societies.
"If "Star Trek" was all about tolerance, why are 'human' Starfleet officers not allowed to wear religious artifacts?
Where are the crucifixes and menorahs in officer's rooms?
"Star Trek" is a celebration of cultural differences. Once it touches the notion of human religion, theology is only talked about in extremes."
No mention of STO. Just that Starfleet is a military organization, and the uniform does not include jewelry. Which, I believe, was quoted to Ensign Ro when she questioned the requirement that she remove hers.
To add: at least in TNG. There are other examples in TOS, in particular, where the human crews ARE wearng religious artifacts, such as the bindi (Episode: TOS: That which Survives), Data visiting or experiencing a Hindi Festival of Lights (TNG, Data's Day), A couple of Christmas celebrations (TOS: Dagger of the Mind) (Star Trek: Generations), Joseph Sisko quoting the Bible, (DS9: Far Beyond the Stars)Dr. Phlox referring to having attended Mass on St. Peter's Square, as well as a Tibetan monastary (ENT: Cold Front)... not a tiny list by any means, and not all inclusive. Religion is present in ST, just not as obvious as in our daily lives.
The vibe I'm getting from this is one of opportunistic "damage control" from the powers that be, what with all the backlash after the discovery of a less than "PC" past to their so called "spokesperson" not so long ago.
I have no problem with diversity. It doesn't really benefit me as far as I can tell, but it definitely doesn't harm me in any imaginable way. But discussions such as this have an unhealthy habit of veering into politics. Something that never ends well on a forum such as this. In my opinion, such discussions do not belong in video games or the communities surrounding them. I don't see how Mr A being TRIBBLE affects the turn rate of my ambassador class or how Mrs M being a lib dem voter will impact on my chances of getting a lockbox ship!
It has nothing to do with the game, so why bring it up?
Personally, I don't care if you're TRIBBLE, straight or topsy-turvy-inside-out. I never have. As long as we have a good time playing then sexuality, sex, age or nationality go out the window! That's the way it should be and discussions like this generally tend to cause aggro.
Play the game, prove you can do more dps than the others, tease each other and just get a life. That is how to get the most out of a game. Politicised rubbish like this detracts from that.
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[tinfoilhat][paranoia][conspiracytheory]
With all the backlashes, gaffes and 'fiascos' that have been happening lately , one can't help but wonder that perhaps the powers that be want to see the old hands gone. Gone in favour of fresh customers.[/tinfoilhat][/paranoia][/conspiracytheory]
I have many, many happy memories of my times through the years, spent in NYC during GPW.
So many friends gained and unfortunately, so many lost. (of many 'diversions')
I have to work next weekend, but I will do my darnedest to try to participate in whatever festivities I can while home.
(I usually play after 11:30pm EDT, if anybody wants to hook-up)
And BTW... Let's try to keep the angst to a minimum in this thread...
Let the curmudgeons have their say and just ignore them if it upsets you.
It's a time to rejoice for who each and every one of us are..., whatever way your bed spins.
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
The month is June. June is celebrated as the month of the Sacred Heart of Jesus in the Catholic Church. If a fleet leader got Brandon to let him/her write a blog about how we are all brothers and sisters in the loving heart of Jesus, and that the fleet was going to have an in-game celebration of the month of the Sacred Heart for anybody who wished to join the party, and Brandon posted it on the front page;
Would you have an objection?
While this isn't directed at me, I'll respond anyway. As the Diversity blog has opened up a broader conversation about Star Trek and the human condition of the real world, I wouldn't have an issue with your suggestion. Permitted it also was well-written and inspired further conversation about Star Trek. Thread participants would need to be prepared to read compliments as well as reminders of Gene Roddenberry's understood view with regard to religion. Not to be hateful. But as an obvious point of conversation as far as I'm concerned.
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"Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" A tenant created in the world of Star Trek and belief that Gene Rodenberry actively promoted in his show. Diversity comes in all forms and as Star Trek fans why aren't we ask to challenge ourselves to be more accepting of others. I for one appreciated the words shared by the guest blogger and hope we all take the time ask ourselves what truly separates us from one another and how by understanding and respecting our differences we become stronger as a people. It's as true in this game as it is in REAL life.
That kind of generalization and straw man attack is the hallmark of intolerance and bigotry. How ironic that those supporting this politicization of Star Trek Online, under the guise of "diversity" and "tolerance", are willing to engage in the kind of thuggish stereotyping they claim to be defending against.
Are we reading the same thread?
The intolerance is demonstrable and clearly visible. In my profession I have to sit back and listen to what people have to say, I have to think carefully about my response. The opinion that homosexuality is a "lifestyle" is ill-informed. Homosexuality is an orientation, the science came in on that one a long time ago.
There are people using a pseudo-religious argument against homosexuality in this thread. Forgive me my impertinence that I don't lay down and enjoy someone using religious authority as a jackhammer, I only hear it every day. (that is one of the logical fallacies, btw. Call to authority)
Homosexuality is not a mental pathology, both the American Psychiatric Association and American Psychological Association removed homosexuality from their lists of diagnostic mental disorders in 1974 and 1975 respectively.
...I am not required to tolerate the drivel that people throw up on a wall hoping it will somehow stick...make the gays look bad.
Go in peace, live your life how you see fit. But freedom ends where someone's fist (metaphorical or otherwise) touches my nose. If the event is not your cup of tea, don't bloody go. logicalspock is correct, the mention of the fleet event in question takes up a sentence, the rest of the guest blog talks about celebrating diversity of all kinds and the history of Trek as a medium that raised awareness in society. It is a powerful and positive message, and somehow it always gets lost in the lunacy...sad.
This is definitely something Cryptic needs to be more proactive about.
Particularly after their last spokesperson came on the forums saying TRIBBLE slurs are okay, and his TRIBBLE bashing/bullying of a TRIBBLE person was having "some fun". Then a Dev says that it was a "good experience".
I don't get it Cryptic. You made this person be a spokesperson for your game even after you knew his history. You said it was in the past but he came to the forums to prove you wrong. How can you be promoting diversity when you just got done promoting the opposite, saying it was a "good experience"? Not contradicting those words implies they are okay. They're not.
Anyone who read that thread saw a Dev saying it was a "good experience". Rather, you should have condemned the streamer's words and distanced yourselves from him.
"Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" A tenant created in the world of Star Trek and belief that Gene Rodenberry actively promoted in his show.
Yet ignored or steered clear of when came to religion and warfare - both aspects of the "human condition." Wasn't until after he was dead that both of these were addressed in some form or another via DS9.
Diversity comes in all forms and as Star Trek fans why aren't we ask to challenge ourselves to be more accepting of others. I for one appreciated the words shared by the guest blogger and hope we all take the time ask ourselves what truly separates us from one another and how by understanding and respecting our differences we become stronger as a people. It's as true in this game as it is in REAL life
Yes, but "diversity" is a general description which means you will also have people who won't agree with certain things, or even push back against them.
Infinite = Limitless or endless in space, extent, or size
Diversity = A range of different things
Combinations = Bringing together different uses, functions, or ingredients
Nothing in that concept = everything and everyone will agree, accept, get along, etc., in fact, everyone thinking alike and being of similar thoughts is the OPPOSITE if being limitless or diverse in anything. Why do people think this neutral concept is automatically "positive" and a pathway to everyone getting along? It's neither here nor there - it means there's a bunch of stuff all over the place that will come together at some point, the end result being unknown until the mix is made...AND you may or may NOT like it when it's done, but hey, that's just part of what happens when you throw a bunch of things together that aren't alike and too numerous to count.
1. Why is cryptic showcasing a TRIBBLE pride event?
2. Why is diversity all of sudden about bieng TRIBBLE and nothing else?
3. Why is a guild creating a "event" based around a persons sexuality?
Diversity isnt only about bieng TRIBBLE. Diversity covers a huge range of things. Some girls have long hair some girls have short hair some guys are black while some are white. To spin diversity into it bieng only about bieng TRIBBLE is misleading and it is propaganda lol.
Gene rodenberry and star trek in general is not about homosexuality and nothing else. All this talk about accpetance and and diversity well hate to break it to you its about space exploration and morality tales. The show no matter how badly people want to spin it here is just not about homosexuality or heterosexuality or focusing on "sexuality" in general LOL.
Reading a lot of these posts if you never watched star trek you would believe its TRIBBLE light TRIBBLE/all about acepting TRIBBLE people and nothing else.
Id have a lot more respect for people if they werent trying to mislead and make everything about a persons sexuality. I cant even believe this thread is on a video game forum/mmo forum lol its extremely inapropriate
I was born 1988 and because my father had a love for all things sci-fi i grew up as a trekie. the man i am today has been shaped by no small part from the events that would go on inside the 19inch box most weekends.
if you look back at the many series and spin offs they show you this ideal for what us as humans should strive for everyday. equality, acceptance but also for the changes within our selfs for passion for the work that we do.
i will end with with a saying i like to rember "smile and be happy to thoes around you today because tommorow they will smile and be happy with you."
I don't see you being forced to read an article, one chooses to do so. It's like reading a magazine, or newspaper. If you dislike the content, change to another article. Many people disagree with one view or another, there is no making everyone happy... we all know the lines. But they're true.
This time, those opposed to this article aren't happy, but nobody is being force fed it, either.
The article is the highlight for the log-in as news. You don't know what's in it until you read it and this is a shock to read. That's force fed.
1. Why is cryptic showcasing a TRIBBLE pride event?
2. Why is diversity all of sudden about bieng TRIBBLE and nothing else?
3. Why is a guild creating a "event" based around a persons sexuality?
Diversity isnt only about bieng TRIBBLE. Diversity covers a huge range of things. Some girls have long hair some girls have short hair some guys are black while some are white. To spin diversity into it bieng only about bieng TRIBBLE is misleading and it is propaganda lol.
Gene rodenberry and star trek in general is not about homosexuality and nothing else. All this talk about accpetance and and diversity well hate to break it to you its about space exploration and morality tales. The show no matter how badly people want to spin it here is just not about homosexuality or heterosexuality or focusing on "sexuality" in general LOL.
Reading a lot of these posts if you never watched star trek you would believe its TRIBBLE light TRIBBLE/all about acepting TRIBBLE people and nothing else.
Id have a lot more respect for people if they werent trying to mislead and make everything about a persons sexuality. I cant even believe this thread is on a video game forum/mmo forum lol its extremely inapropriate
Diversity? Looks more like a gaypride thing to me really... events like this shouldn't be hosted in a video game, you'll put people like that in a bad daylight and you'll just attract trolls and flamers to the event.
Besides, it kinda reeks of a favour between the community manager (Branflakes) and his old fleet (Stonewall Fleet). Some people might see this as favouritism... just a polite warning to all involved parties about behaviour like that. Nothing good comes of it.
Diversity isnt only about bieng TRIBBLE. Diversity covers a huge range of things. Some girls have long hair some girls have short hair some guys are black while some are white. To spin diversity into it bieng only about bieng TRIBBLE is misleading and it is propaganda lol.
From the blog post:
My fleet, Stonewall Fleet, is a TRIBBLE, TRIBBLE, bisexual, transgender and straight ally fleet, and every year we celebrate our own corner of diversity by hosting a weekend of events in remembrance of our name sake, the Stonewall Rebellion.
As you can see - the author concentrates on that one aspect of diversity. Not to mention the six colourful stripes in the leading image. Mentioning other aspects of diversity is only a pretext in the light of the above.
1
to allow somebody to do something that you do not agree with or like
2 tolerate somebody/something
to accept somebody/something that is annoying, unpleasant, etc. without complaining
That means I don't have to like certain things, attitudes, behaviours nor do I have to agree with them. On the other hand, however, it doesn't mean I'm hostile toward people voicing those opinions unless they try to impose certain views, ways of thinking on me.
1. Why is cryptic showcasing a TRIBBLE pride event?
2. Why is diversity all of sudden about bieng TRIBBLE and nothing else?
3. Why is a guild creating a "event" based around a persons sexuality?
Diversity isnt only about bieng TRIBBLE. Diversity covers a huge range of things. Some girls have long hair some girls have short hair some guys are black while some are white. To spin diversity into it bieng only about bieng TRIBBLE is misleading and it is propaganda lol.
Gene rodenberry and star trek in general is not about homosexuality and nothing else. All this talk about accpetance and and diversity well hate to break it to you its about space exploration and morality tales. The show no matter how badly people want to spin it here is just not about homosexuality or heterosexuality or focusing on "sexuality" in general LOL.
Reading a lot of these posts if you never watched star trek you would believe its TRIBBLE light TRIBBLE/all about acepting TRIBBLE people and nothing else.
Id have a lot more respect for people if they werent trying to mislead and make everything about a persons sexuality. I cant even believe this thread is on a video game forum/mmo forum lol its extremely inapropriate
I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this way. Apparently my fleet is trying to join in on this, so seems like I'm taking 2 days off from STO.
EDIT: Not saying that I'm shooting down Stonewall Fleet for what they are doing. The LGBT diversity thing is right up their alley, and whether or not I agree with their FLEET event is not an issue in the slightest. My issue is that STO is promoting it while making zero effort to promote/recognize any other type of diversity in the game.
Well, I see this thread really devolved over night.
Rather than try and rebut all the nonsense, I'll just point out the actual facts, as uncomfortable as it may be for some of you to hear:
With each new generation, there is is less and less reliance on 2000 year old books of fairy tales. These generations, especially the latest one, have and will continue to have access to actual facts, right at their fingertips on the internet.
That is why you see the progressive changes that scare you so much. The LGBT Community is not indoctrinating people. Rather, the radical right wing evangelical community is no longer able to sell their ridiculous and intolerant beliefs, because rational people no longer want to buy it.
Sure, there will always be people who will not accept the inevitable, as there always are. But, those people will be left behind, pointed to and laughed at.
So, arguing and debating all the semantics and minutia is a pointless distraction.
Personally I find it confusing why some people focus so heavily on their sexuality in their own self-characterization.
While I'm all for equal rights I however simply don't like to get other people's sexual orientation shoved into my face without my consent, regardless if they are homosexual/heterosexual/transgender/whatever. It's simply rude and I know many people (both heterosexual and homosexual by the way) who feel exactly the same way. Sexuality is considered by most people a very private affair. These 'pride' events therefore seem to me like the worst method ever to gain 'acceptance' and/or to create 'tolerance'. If you want to be considered truly equal and don't want to be exclusively judged based on your sexual orientation then don't wear it like a poster. You don't see any straight people do that, don't you?
Also I'm disgusted by some peoples obvious hatred against white people. Are people with white skincolor not included in your definition of 'diversity'? 'Slavery' and 'Hitler' are no justifications to bash us because I doubt anyone in STO's playerbase was involved in these affairs. Guilt is defined by personal actions and NOT by skincolor.
I do not, however, appreciate the sexual orientation "bent" of this article or the plug for Stonewall and I don't believe that STO should be portrayed as a showcase for the GLBT community.
Diversity encompasses ALL of us, including those of us who hold different beliefs.
Do you not see how contradictory your own post is? It appears you are saying, you support "diversity" as long as it is in line with what YOU believe...
ALL of us would include the LGBT community, would it not?
Kirk was a womanizer of heroic proportion... you cannot divorce "sexuality" from the Star Trek world... it just seems that the only sexuality that is appropriate is the heterosexual kind.
Personally I find it confusing why some people focus so heavily on their sexuality in their own self-characterization.
While I'm all for equal rights I however simply don't like to get other people's sexual orientation shoved into my face without my consent, regardless if they are homosexual/heterosexual/transgender/whatever. It's simply rude and I know many people (both heterosexual and homosexual by the way) who feel exactly the same way. Sexuality is considered by most people a very private affair. These 'pride' events therefore seem to me like the worst method ever to gain 'acceptance' and/or to create 'tolerance'. If you want to be considered truly equal and don't want to be exclusively judged based on your sexual orientation then don't wear it like a poster. You don't see any straight people do that, don't you?
Also I'm disgusted by some peoples obvious hatred against white people. Are people with white skincolor not included in your definition of 'diversity'? 'Slavery' and 'Hitler' are no justifications to bash us because I doubt anyone in STO's playerbase was involved in these affairs. Guilt is defined by personal actions and NOT by skincolor.
I assume from your statement that when a guy at work shows you pictures of his wife and kids or a woman you know shows you pictures of her husband and kids, you "kindly" tell them that you don't appreciate them shoving their sexuality all up in your face like that. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrite.
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I liked the part where he stated that the forum rules constituted a contract and that PWE had a legal obligation to follow its own rules.
:eek:
I am heterosexual and I do not have any close TRIBBLE friends or relatives, but yet I never understood the level of bigotry toward gays that still exist in our society. Having grown up in the Bay Area, sometimes I forget how much intolerance towards gays still remains in the heartland of America. It is sad that some of these people call themselves Star Trek fans.
In any case, I have often thought that the subject of Star Trek as a vehicle for social and political progress would make the topic of an interesting book, so not surprisingly, I enjoyed the blog.
May I remind you that throughout history, quite a few little girls (10, 11, 12 year old) have been married to kings or other "high society" people?
Like I said in other posts, just like the TRIBBLE lobby, there will be an emerging pedophiliac lobby that will push to lower the consentment age (the number of adult having sex with children is increasing at an alarming rate).
It is always nice to encounter another enlightened human being.
Actually, that was the pilot episode and it was never aired, so you never would have seen it, except for in segments during the episode The Cage.
And it misses the point entirely. Star Trek tried to be progressive, but the pilot was rejected because studio executives did not feel that 1960's audiences could handle an alien and a woman being in command of the Enterprise.
Roddenbury rewrote a new show Where no Man Has Gone Before, but refused to remove Spock. Then, in later episodes he added the characters of Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov.
As logicalspock said, that was the pilot.
However, an interesting side note that some people aren't aware of, is that that Star Trek TOS was produced by Desilu Studios, that was owned by Lucille Ball. So, a woman was more than just First Officer. One was literally in charge of Star Trek's destiny.
What does that have to do with the blog celebrating tolerance for diversity in Star Trek? What does that have to do with the fleet's pride event?
Absolutely nothing.
It is an illogical, ad hominem attack whereby you attempt to associate an event celebrating the long struggle for equality for same-sex relationships with unlawful sexual conduct that is widely reviled by most individuals in modern societies.
And the truth shall set us free! There you have it: It's a TRIBBLE event!
Original portion of this tidbit was:
"If "Star Trek" was all about tolerance, why are 'human' Starfleet officers not allowed to wear religious artifacts?
Where are the crucifixes and menorahs in officer's rooms?
"Star Trek" is a celebration of cultural differences. Once it touches the notion of human religion, theology is only talked about in extremes."
No mention of STO. Just that Starfleet is a military organization, and the uniform does not include jewelry. Which, I believe, was quoted to Ensign Ro when she questioned the requirement that she remove hers.
To add: at least in TNG. There are other examples in TOS, in particular, where the human crews ARE wearng religious artifacts, such as the bindi (Episode: TOS: That which Survives), Data visiting or experiencing a Hindi Festival of Lights (TNG, Data's Day), A couple of Christmas celebrations (TOS: Dagger of the Mind) (Star Trek: Generations), Joseph Sisko quoting the Bible, (DS9: Far Beyond the Stars)Dr. Phlox referring to having attended Mass on St. Peter's Square, as well as a Tibetan monastary (ENT: Cold Front)... not a tiny list by any means, and not all inclusive. Religion is present in ST, just not as obvious as in our daily lives.
I have no problem with diversity. It doesn't really benefit me as far as I can tell, but it definitely doesn't harm me in any imaginable way. But discussions such as this have an unhealthy habit of veering into politics. Something that never ends well on a forum such as this. In my opinion, such discussions do not belong in video games or the communities surrounding them. I don't see how Mr A being TRIBBLE affects the turn rate of my ambassador class or how Mrs M being a lib dem voter will impact on my chances of getting a lockbox ship!
It has nothing to do with the game, so why bring it up?
Personally, I don't care if you're TRIBBLE, straight or topsy-turvy-inside-out. I never have. As long as we have a good time playing then sexuality, sex, age or nationality go out the window! That's the way it should be and discussions like this generally tend to cause aggro.
Play the game, prove you can do more dps than the others, tease each other and just get a life. That is how to get the most out of a game. Politicised rubbish like this detracts from that.
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[tinfoilhat][paranoia][conspiracytheory]
With all the backlashes, gaffes and 'fiascos' that have been happening lately , one can't help but wonder that perhaps the powers that be want to see the old hands gone. Gone in favour of fresh customers.[/tinfoilhat][/paranoia][/conspiracytheory]
Perhaps it is time I got a life
So many friends gained and unfortunately, so many lost. (of many 'diversions')
I have to work next weekend, but I will do my darnedest to try to participate in whatever festivities I can while home.
(I usually play after 11:30pm EDT, if anybody wants to hook-up)
And BTW... Let's try to keep the angst to a minimum in this thread...
Let the curmudgeons have their say and just ignore them if it upsets you.
It's a time to rejoice for who each and every one of us are..., whatever way your bed spins.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
LOL! I saw that the other day and nearly fell on the floor laughing!
Are we reading the same thread?
The intolerance is demonstrable and clearly visible. In my profession I have to sit back and listen to what people have to say, I have to think carefully about my response. The opinion that homosexuality is a "lifestyle" is ill-informed. Homosexuality is an orientation, the science came in on that one a long time ago.
There are people using a pseudo-religious argument against homosexuality in this thread. Forgive me my impertinence that I don't lay down and enjoy someone using religious authority as a jackhammer, I only hear it every day. (that is one of the logical fallacies, btw. Call to authority)
Homosexuality is not a mental pathology, both the American Psychiatric Association and American Psychological Association removed homosexuality from their lists of diagnostic mental disorders in 1974 and 1975 respectively.
...I am not required to tolerate the drivel that people throw up on a wall hoping it will somehow stick...make the gays look bad.
Go in peace, live your life how you see fit. But freedom ends where someone's fist (metaphorical or otherwise) touches my nose. If the event is not your cup of tea, don't bloody go. logicalspock is correct, the mention of the fleet event in question takes up a sentence, the rest of the guest blog talks about celebrating diversity of all kinds and the history of Trek as a medium that raised awareness in society. It is a powerful and positive message, and somehow it always gets lost in the lunacy...sad.
Particularly after their last spokesperson came on the forums saying TRIBBLE slurs are okay, and his TRIBBLE bashing/bullying of a TRIBBLE person was having "some fun". Then a Dev says that it was a "good experience".
I don't get it Cryptic. You made this person be a spokesperson for your game even after you knew his history. You said it was in the past but he came to the forums to prove you wrong. How can you be promoting diversity when you just got done promoting the opposite, saying it was a "good experience"? Not contradicting those words implies they are okay. They're not.
Anyone who read that thread saw a Dev saying it was a "good experience". Rather, you should have condemned the streamer's words and distanced yourselves from him.
Yes, but "diversity" is a general description which means you will also have people who won't agree with certain things, or even push back against them.
Infinite = Limitless or endless in space, extent, or size
Diversity = A range of different things
Combinations = Bringing together different uses, functions, or ingredients
Nothing in that concept = everything and everyone will agree, accept, get along, etc., in fact, everyone thinking alike and being of similar thoughts is the OPPOSITE if being limitless or diverse in anything. Why do people think this neutral concept is automatically "positive" and a pathway to everyone getting along? It's neither here nor there - it means there's a bunch of stuff all over the place that will come together at some point, the end result being unknown until the mix is made...AND you may or may NOT like it when it's done, but hey, that's just part of what happens when you throw a bunch of things together that aren't alike and too numerous to count.
In short: IDIC
1. Why is cryptic showcasing a TRIBBLE pride event?
2. Why is diversity all of sudden about bieng TRIBBLE and nothing else?
3. Why is a guild creating a "event" based around a persons sexuality?
Diversity isnt only about bieng TRIBBLE. Diversity covers a huge range of things. Some girls have long hair some girls have short hair some guys are black while some are white. To spin diversity into it bieng only about bieng TRIBBLE is misleading and it is propaganda lol.
Gene rodenberry and star trek in general is not about homosexuality and nothing else. All this talk about accpetance and and diversity well hate to break it to you its about space exploration and morality tales. The show no matter how badly people want to spin it here is just not about homosexuality or heterosexuality or focusing on "sexuality" in general LOL.
Reading a lot of these posts if you never watched star trek you would believe its TRIBBLE light TRIBBLE/all about acepting TRIBBLE people and nothing else.
Id have a lot more respect for people if they werent trying to mislead and make everything about a persons sexuality. I cant even believe this thread is on a video game forum/mmo forum lol its extremely inapropriate
if you look back at the many series and spin offs they show you this ideal for what us as humans should strive for everyday. equality, acceptance but also for the changes within our selfs for passion for the work that we do.
i will end with with a saying i like to rember "smile and be happy to thoes around you today because tommorow they will smile and be happy with you."
The article is the highlight for the log-in as news. You don't know what's in it until you read it and this is a shock to read. That's force fed.
Finally, a post I can agree with. Thank you.
Besides, it kinda reeks of a favour between the community manager (Branflakes) and his old fleet (Stonewall Fleet). Some people might see this as favouritism... just a polite warning to all involved parties about behaviour like that. Nothing good comes of it.
Secondly - to tolerate means: That means I don't have to like certain things, attitudes, behaviours nor do I have to agree with them. On the other hand, however, it doesn't mean I'm hostile toward people voicing those opinions unless they try to impose certain views, ways of thinking on me.
I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this way. Apparently my fleet is trying to join in on this, so seems like I'm taking 2 days off from STO.
EDIT: Not saying that I'm shooting down Stonewall Fleet for what they are doing. The LGBT diversity thing is right up their alley, and whether or not I agree with their FLEET event is not an issue in the slightest. My issue is that STO is promoting it while making zero effort to promote/recognize any other type of diversity in the game.
Rather than try and rebut all the nonsense, I'll just point out the actual facts, as uncomfortable as it may be for some of you to hear:
With each new generation, there is is less and less reliance on 2000 year old books of fairy tales. These generations, especially the latest one, have and will continue to have access to actual facts, right at their fingertips on the internet.
That is why you see the progressive changes that scare you so much. The LGBT Community is not indoctrinating people. Rather, the radical right wing evangelical community is no longer able to sell their ridiculous and intolerant beliefs, because rational people no longer want to buy it.
Sure, there will always be people who will not accept the inevitable, as there always are. But, those people will be left behind, pointed to and laughed at.
So, arguing and debating all the semantics and minutia is a pointless distraction.
Welcome to the future.
While I'm all for equal rights I however simply don't like to get other people's sexual orientation shoved into my face without my consent, regardless if they are homosexual/heterosexual/transgender/whatever. It's simply rude and I know many people (both heterosexual and homosexual by the way) who feel exactly the same way. Sexuality is considered by most people a very private affair. These 'pride' events therefore seem to me like the worst method ever to gain 'acceptance' and/or to create 'tolerance'. If you want to be considered truly equal and don't want to be exclusively judged based on your sexual orientation then don't wear it like a poster. You don't see any straight people do that, don't you?
Also I'm disgusted by some peoples obvious hatred against white people. Are people with white skincolor not included in your definition of 'diversity'? 'Slavery' and 'Hitler' are no justifications to bash us because I doubt anyone in STO's playerbase was involved in these affairs. Guilt is defined by personal actions and NOT by skincolor.
Do you not see how contradictory your own post is? It appears you are saying, you support "diversity" as long as it is in line with what YOU believe...
ALL of us would include the LGBT community, would it not?
Kirk was a womanizer of heroic proportion... you cannot divorce "sexuality" from the Star Trek world... it just seems that the only sexuality that is appropriate is the heterosexual kind.
Jolan'tru
I assume from your statement that when a guy at work shows you pictures of his wife and kids or a woman you know shows you pictures of her husband and kids, you "kindly" tell them that you don't appreciate them shoving their sexuality all up in your face like that. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrite.