There is a HUGE difference between celebrating a birth of a Nation and celebrating - nowadays grossly FLAUNTING - the fact that you are homosexual - they have turned the parades into nothing but a large skin fest - i know - now in Toronto where I am - the stuff is going on - I will film the parade an post it here for others to view so they can make the determinations of my FLAUNTING accusation. And comparing a acts of Ghandi in here - you are going WAY overboard!
Definition of FLAUNT. intransitive verb. 1: to display or obtrude oneself to public notice <a great flaunting crowd.
You claim that there is a huge difference but offer no evidence to support that claim.
The fourth of July celebrates the creation of the declaration of independence when Americans, in order to protect their civil liberties, declared themselves free of the tyranny of the English king. Unfortunately, those freedoms did not extend to certain groups such as blacks, natives, and homosexuals.
The TRIBBLE rights parades were started in New York, San Francisco, and Los Angeles by a few brave souls who publicly declared that they were TRIBBLE and wanted civil rights just as the declaration of independence publicly declared that the signers wanted civil liberties. They continue today as a tradition which celebrates all the rights that have been won by tireless effort, just like the fourth of July.
Rather than support your claim, you go off on a tangent about how some people show too much skin, which is non sequitur. People at these events (at least in the US) generally feel free to wear as little or as much as they want without enduring ridicule or judgement. They are, after all, celebrations of freedom. Similar amounts of skin are shown at many other public holidays, such as the Catholic celebrations of Carnival / Mardi Gras or at many beaches.
I doubt you have any TRIBBLE friends. At least not any that respect themselves, that is.
I am definitely not trying to "justify" anything to anybody. I have no need to, because I couldn't care less what anybody else thinks, least of all somebody with an attitude like yours.
Having said that, I do agree. This thread has become a waste of time. For a while, there was a very nice discussion taking place among rational adults. That time has unfortunately ended. One can only argue the same points with a brick wall so many times.
I appreciate all the discussions with those who took the time to have serious discussions in an adult manner.
For the rest who are just too stubborn, ignorant or unwilling to see the handwriting on the wall, I feel sorry for you. I wish you the best of luck in your mountains, caves or wherever you decided to hole up in and fortify yourselves against the inevitable future.
Like I said before, I do believe you are entitled to your opinions, even if most of society finds them to be ignorant and archaic. But, I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't also eager to watch you get run over by the unstoppable freight train of Equality that's heading your way at breakneck speed.
The LGBT Community, and Society as a whole, will no longer be held back by the barbaric, hateful and oppressive views of an increasingly insignificant and irrelevant vocal minority.
You know what this is in 2 words? HATE SPEECH. its belittling, offensive and discriminatory. if I see another incident of this i'm going to start reporting it, and I will keep reporting it until its removed. this has gone on long enough
Heterosexuals do not have a parade because nobody in the United States was ever thrown in prison or executed for being heterosexual whereas sodomy laws were only recently overturned and many countries continue to execute homosexuals.
However, if you really want a "heterosexual parade", you should start organizing one. Godspeed!
are you finished with your ignorant, belittling, offensive tirade yet?
I suspect the truth is that you just "loath" the "special interests" you dislike, such as ones which promote equal rights for homosexuals.
attacking people I see
As for heterosexual pride celebrations, you are free to organize them, but I doubt you will find many attendees
Indeed. because i'm willing to bet such people would be threatened, ridiculed and belittled for doing so. as well as being accused of some kind of absurd discrimination.
You may want to either find a new country to live in or move further up into the mountains and fortify your compound. Although you are certainly entitled to them, your beliefs are increasingly archaic, unaccepted, and just plain wrong.
Nice personal attack there
Each new generation is more liberal and accepting than the previous one before it. So, what does that tell you?
it tells me that people need to think about what they see on tv and are told in schools. i'm not referring to sexuality here. i'm referring to the fact people get bs thrown at them on a daily basis and never question it
Each new generation is more liberal and accepting than the previous one before it. So, what does that tell you?
Diversity has been studied and proven to weaken communities, encourage preference for under-performing minorities, and dissolving national security, by promoting less-qualified over best-qualified through the use of non-performance measures like race, gender, and diversity quotas.
So now you accuse people of being TRIBBLE? first off, nationalism is just that, nationalism. you're confusing nationalism with national socialism, which are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination
and by the way, take a look at what the government does. those racial and gender quotas are real. do a little research for yourself. how about that little incident I mentioned earlier about white people being explicitly banned from being hired because of their race, by a government agency in ontario. it happened. and it got quietly hushed up real quick. go up north, theres a racial quota for having a certain percentage of natives working each job site, whether they work or not, they still have to be hired. talk to a few people that live up in northern alberta and they'll tell you all about that. nothing against natives, but thats not the point.
Hitler, as I am sure you know, was also a great fan of eugenics
who told you that? the history channel? are you going to make absurd claims about SS breeding camps and lampshades next?
He also saw a future where Homosexuals were "eliminated":
no he didn't. do a little research. a very large percentage of both the SS and the SA were homosexuals.
After the Night of the Long Knives, Hitler promoted Himmler and the SS, who then zealously suppressed homosexuality, saying: "We must exterminate these people root and branch ... the homosexual must be eliminated."
nobody ever issued any statement with the word 'exterminate' in it. believing everything you read on wikipedia isn't a smart move.
So, to you, equality only happens once you've gotten rid of everybody who isn't like you?Yep, white nationalism.
so now you accuse him of being a white nationalist because he is against forced diversity. forced anything isn't a good thing. diversity is fine, forced diversity is not. if anything has to be forced you should be rethinking your stance. that aside, white nationalism is neither nationalism nor nazism. do a little research before making such claims
I find it interesting that the game programmers and developers are celebrating diversity, however continue to refuse to allow and deny requests for the basic options of name/handle and character gender changes that many other online games allow either free or paid
that has nothing to do with diversity. that is a technical issue and isn't usually an easy one to work with. you'd be surprised what back-end problems that kind of change can cause. particularly with names, gender/race changes and anything that links to a database
1) The blog was about tolerance for diversity as depicted on Star Trek and how it was a catalyst for social change.
2) The blog, in one paragraph, mentioned the fleet's event
the blog pushed a political issue and stance, thats a no-no according to the tos. the rest of the content has nothing to do with it. it was posted by a former member of that fleet and cryptic employee, which is a conflict of interest and rather questionable.
Other fleets have also been allowed to post blogs that raise awareness of community events, such as PvP bootcamp.
all of which were about game mechanics and had no political undertone, statement or motive
"Why is it when someone expresses an opinion against the act of homosexuality, it automatically makes them a hater of the individual homosexual?"
Because sexual orientation... is personal. It is an inherent part of your being. Can you separate your heterosexuality from who you are?
what kind of loony personal attack are you trying to excuse there exactly? you're just trying to make excuses for attacking people
Saying "be who you are, I don't care.. just don't 'shove it in my face'" is also a bit TRIBBLE..
no it isn't
Jewish is a faith (it being ILLEGAL to refer to it as a race in parts of Europe)
Hebrew is a Race
not to nitpick but how can it be illegal to refer to it as a race when it is a race? jewish is hebrew. jewish is referring to either a religion or a race, or both, depending on the context. that aside, jews are a semetic race, like arabs, with markers that show up in DNA
But diversity is a good thing as long as we are all allowed to be what we are
indeed
Actually, there is no scientifically accepted definition of homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual
yes there is. who told you THAT exactly?
A certain insane Austrian called Jews a race
actually jews have been called a race since LONG before hitler was born
This event is not exclusively about homosexuality and yet too many here have allowed their closeted bigotry to jump to that conclusion. It is an event to celebrate the DIVERSITY in our online Community.
No, that is what the blog is about, not the event. you don't call it an LGBT event and then claim that isn't what it is. the blog is about diversity and promoting said event. and I see you threw in an attack there as well. calling people 'closet bigots' for stating what the event was about
Freedom of speech should not act as a shield for those who encourage ignorance or incite hatred
'ignorance' can be anything a particular group says opposes them. just as 'inciting hatred' can be as well. choose your words more carefully
Seriously? All I'm saying is that white people are not superior to anyone, they are just people. Just like everyone else. And that they should not boast about their religion or anything, as it all comes from decades of wars and exploiting of colonies and unimaginable amounts of lost lives.
so first you claim you made no anti-white comments and then go on to make another
I'm not saying that Caucasians should be ashamed or feel guilty.
thats funny, it sure looked like thats what you were implying
Because you're heterosexual (I'm guessing that you are, as I don't know you) you can't see how much heterosexuality is up in people's faces
You know what this is in 2 words? HATE SPEECH. its belittling, offensive and discriminatory. if I see another incident of this I'm going to start reporting it, and I will keep reporting it until its removed. this has gone on long enough...
...excuse me?
There is no sense in continuing this conversation along these lines, as this individual has absolutely no desire to change his/her thoughts on the matter, and will only further try to degrade the conversation to his/her level, with rational that is archaic, at best.
There is no 'excuse' for this type of mentality in this day and age, other than to further ones own agenda of intolerance and contempt of what one feels is the undesirable part of modern society.
This individual will obviously continue to travel though life 'kicking and screaming' about how society on-the-whole, is crumbling around them, because it doesn't wish to march to his/her desired drumbeat.
Thankfully...,
Folks like this will get left further and further behind, as society Does Move Forward (perhaps slowly at times), in a direction of Tolerance and Equality For Everyone...
Even people like lazarus51166...
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
There is no sense in continuing this conversation along these lines, as this individual has absolutely no desire to change his/her thoughts on the matter, and will only further try to degrade the conversation to his/her level, with rational that is archaic, at best.
No, he made sense. You're just giving up.
There is no 'excuse' for this type of mentality in this day and age, other than to further ones own agenda of intolerance and contempt of what one feels is the undesirable part of modern society.
Actually, there is. They call it the "1st amendment" over in the states. Also, aren't you being rather hypocritical in assuming that as he does not agree with you then he must by definition be anti-diversity?
This individual will obviously continue to travel though life 'kicking and screaming' about how society on-the-whole, is crumbling around them, because it doesn't wish to march to his/her desired drumbeat.
As will you judging by the sound of your continual "ERMAGERD WERLD IZ AGEINST MEEEEE" tripe.
Folks like this will get left further and further behind, as society Does Move Forward (perhaps slowly at times), in a direction of Tolerance and Equality For Everyone...
You seem to be referring to your self there, unless your entire posting was satirical?
Even people like lazarus51166...
This is known as an "ad-hominem" iirc. Way to go mr credibility :rolleyes:.
As well as hitting out at the slightest difference of opinion, you also invoke Godwins law by comparing others to Hitler and Nazisim. At the risk of re-invoking Godwin, have you ever considered that enforcing "diversity" in the way you imply may well be as bad as Nazism was?
This thread really should have been locked several dozen pages ago.
Actually, there is. They call it the "1st amendment" over in the states. Also, aren't you being rather hypocritical in assuming that as he does not agree with you then he must by definition be anti-diversity?
it's not giving up when you just let the child scream till they fall asleep.
1st amendment does not apply on a private forum, isn't that obvious.
who told you that? the history channel? are you going to make absurd claims about SS breeding camps and lampshades next?
Don't need History Channel, most of the records from this particular portion of the Lebensborn program survived, and it was heavily covered in Allied news (very inaccurately, but still extensively). All sorts of government sponsored extramarital debauchery with the intent to raise the rates of certain recessive genes while avoiding inbreeding. Some 20,000 children were born under the program (separate from the 10,000 kinapped from their families under another part of the same program), with statistically elevated rates of blond hair and blue eyes.
It's not all out selective breeding, but the plan wasn't to create physically or mentally superior stock. The plan was mass breeding, not precision, and it was pretty effective at raising the rates of desired traits (blond hair, blue eyes) and reducing undesired ones (genetic disease) within the test population. That still counts as eugenics under most interpretations, though.
it's not giving up when you just let the child scream till they fall asleep.
But the man does have a point. Saying that someone is "anti-diversity" when they're really just someone who doesn't care either way is in itself discriminatory and a sure fire way to turn them against the very idea. Simply calling him (I assume it's a he) a "child" is rather discriminatory, not to mention belittling and offensive.
Practice what you preach? Some people are big on showing things off, others (like myself and Lazarus it would seem) are not. That does not mean that we are homophobic, racist or whatever.
1st amendment does not apply on a private forum, isn't that obvious.
*ack* You're quite right there and I completely forgot about that. I'm not a US citizen, so I have never had as much exposure to the US constitution as I might like. Thank you for reminding me
"You don't agree with me? You're a bigot/racist/homophobe/ignorant/whatever!"
People DON'T have to like what you do. They DON'T have to accept it. They DON'T have to treat it as normal.
You compare people to Hitler because they don't like your lifestyle, yet you're the one oppressing them for not liking it, trying to FORCE everyone to capitulate and think your way, trying to get everyone to conform to YOUR agenda. This isn't progress. This is the slow build to absolute anarchy OR total government control and tyranny masquerading as progress and beating down anyone who doesn't fall in line. Simply put, liberals are bullies. If you don't agree with them, they will give you no end of hell and try their damnedest to ruin you for it. It's already happening.
As well as hitting out at the slightest difference of opinion, you also invoke Godwins law by comparing others to Hitler and Nazisim. At the risk of re-invoking Godwin, have you ever considered that enforcing "diversity" in the way you imply may well be as bad as Nazism was?
...
My only comment to this rant is...
Please show everyone where exactly, I Ever Mentioned or Even Hinted At Either of those groups in Any of my posts in this thread...
...or Any Place Else for that matter, At Any Time, Anywhere in the STO Forums.
Ad Hominem seems to have risen up and bit you in the TRIBBLE...
As for the rest,
If you wish to believe that I have "given up", simply because I don't personally wish to continue to indulge in the gross misrepresentation of my words, then so be it...
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
It was not intended as a rant, but as a critique. If it came across that way then I'm sorry that you feel that way.
Ad Hominem seems to have risen up and bit you in the TRIBBLE...[/quote]
And your response is "Sure I'm bad, but you're worse!".
As for the rest...
I hate to make this observation, but this clearly marks your post out as a rant rather than a response.
If you wish to believe that I have "given up", simply because I don't personally wish to continue to indulge you in your gross misrepresentation of my words, then so be it...
I do believe it. Because you quite simply will not discuss the issue at hand. To me, that is giving up. This last part, you may consider a rant.
Comments
You claim that there is a huge difference but offer no evidence to support that claim.
The fourth of July celebrates the creation of the declaration of independence when Americans, in order to protect their civil liberties, declared themselves free of the tyranny of the English king. Unfortunately, those freedoms did not extend to certain groups such as blacks, natives, and homosexuals.
The TRIBBLE rights parades were started in New York, San Francisco, and Los Angeles by a few brave souls who publicly declared that they were TRIBBLE and wanted civil rights just as the declaration of independence publicly declared that the signers wanted civil liberties. They continue today as a tradition which celebrates all the rights that have been won by tireless effort, just like the fourth of July.
Rather than support your claim, you go off on a tangent about how some people show too much skin, which is non sequitur. People at these events (at least in the US) generally feel free to wear as little or as much as they want without enduring ridicule or judgement. They are, after all, celebrations of freedom. Similar amounts of skin are shown at many other public holidays, such as the Catholic celebrations of Carnival / Mardi Gras or at many beaches.
You know what this is in 2 words? HATE SPEECH. its belittling, offensive and discriminatory. if I see another incident of this i'm going to start reporting it, and I will keep reporting it until its removed. this has gone on long enough
are you finished with your ignorant, belittling, offensive tirade yet?
attacking people I see
Indeed. because i'm willing to bet such people would be threatened, ridiculed and belittled for doing so. as well as being accused of some kind of absurd discrimination.
Nice personal attack there
it tells me that people need to think about what they see on tv and are told in schools. i'm not referring to sexuality here. i'm referring to the fact people get bs thrown at them on a daily basis and never question it
So now you accuse people of being TRIBBLE? first off, nationalism is just that, nationalism. you're confusing nationalism with national socialism, which are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination
and by the way, take a look at what the government does. those racial and gender quotas are real. do a little research for yourself. how about that little incident I mentioned earlier about white people being explicitly banned from being hired because of their race, by a government agency in ontario. it happened. and it got quietly hushed up real quick. go up north, theres a racial quota for having a certain percentage of natives working each job site, whether they work or not, they still have to be hired. talk to a few people that live up in northern alberta and they'll tell you all about that. nothing against natives, but thats not the point.
who told you that? the history channel? are you going to make absurd claims about SS breeding camps and lampshades next?
no he didn't. do a little research. a very large percentage of both the SS and the SA were homosexuals.
nobody ever issued any statement with the word 'exterminate' in it. believing everything you read on wikipedia isn't a smart move.
so now you accuse him of being a white nationalist because he is against forced diversity. forced anything isn't a good thing. diversity is fine, forced diversity is not. if anything has to be forced you should be rethinking your stance. that aside, white nationalism is neither nationalism nor nazism. do a little research before making such claims
that has nothing to do with diversity. that is a technical issue and isn't usually an easy one to work with. you'd be surprised what back-end problems that kind of change can cause. particularly with names, gender/race changes and anything that links to a database
the blog pushed a political issue and stance, thats a no-no according to the tos. the rest of the content has nothing to do with it. it was posted by a former member of that fleet and cryptic employee, which is a conflict of interest and rather questionable.
all of which were about game mechanics and had no political undertone, statement or motive
what kind of loony personal attack are you trying to excuse there exactly? you're just trying to make excuses for attacking people
no it isn't
not to nitpick but how can it be illegal to refer to it as a race when it is a race? jewish is hebrew. jewish is referring to either a religion or a race, or both, depending on the context. that aside, jews are a semetic race, like arabs, with markers that show up in DNA
indeed
yes there is. who told you THAT exactly?
actually jews have been called a race since LONG before hitler was born
No, that is what the blog is about, not the event. you don't call it an LGBT event and then claim that isn't what it is. the blog is about diversity and promoting said event. and I see you threw in an attack there as well. calling people 'closet bigots' for stating what the event was about
'ignorance' can be anything a particular group says opposes them. just as 'inciting hatred' can be as well. choose your words more carefully
so first you claim you made no anti-white comments and then go on to make another
thats funny, it sure looked like thats what you were implying
excuse me?
There is no sense in continuing this conversation along these lines, as this individual has absolutely no desire to change his/her thoughts on the matter, and will only further try to degrade the conversation to his/her level, with rational that is archaic, at best.
There is no 'excuse' for this type of mentality in this day and age, other than to further ones own agenda of intolerance and contempt of what one feels is the undesirable part of modern society.
This individual will obviously continue to travel though life 'kicking and screaming' about how society on-the-whole, is crumbling around them, because it doesn't wish to march to his/her desired drumbeat.
Thankfully...,
Folks like this will get left further and further behind, as society Does Move Forward (perhaps slowly at times), in a direction of Tolerance and Equality For Everyone...
Even people like lazarus51166...
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
No, he made sense. You're just giving up.
Actually, there is. They call it the "1st amendment" over in the states. Also, aren't you being rather hypocritical in assuming that as he does not agree with you then he must by definition be anti-diversity?
As will you judging by the sound of your continual "ERMAGERD WERLD IZ AGEINST MEEEEE" tripe.
You seem to be referring to your self there, unless your entire posting was satirical?
This is known as an "ad-hominem" iirc. Way to go mr credibility :rolleyes:.
As well as hitting out at the slightest difference of opinion, you also invoke Godwins law by comparing others to Hitler and Nazisim. At the risk of re-invoking Godwin, have you ever considered that enforcing "diversity" in the way you imply may well be as bad as Nazism was?
This thread really should have been locked several dozen pages ago.
it's not giving up when you just let the child scream till they fall asleep.
1st amendment does not apply on a private forum, isn't that obvious.
Don't need History Channel, most of the records from this particular portion of the Lebensborn program survived, and it was heavily covered in Allied news (very inaccurately, but still extensively). All sorts of government sponsored extramarital debauchery with the intent to raise the rates of certain recessive genes while avoiding inbreeding. Some 20,000 children were born under the program (separate from the 10,000 kinapped from their families under another part of the same program), with statistically elevated rates of blond hair and blue eyes.
It's not all out selective breeding, but the plan wasn't to create physically or mentally superior stock. The plan was mass breeding, not precision, and it was pretty effective at raising the rates of desired traits (blond hair, blue eyes) and reducing undesired ones (genetic disease) within the test population. That still counts as eugenics under most interpretations, though.
But the man does have a point. Saying that someone is "anti-diversity" when they're really just someone who doesn't care either way is in itself discriminatory and a sure fire way to turn them against the very idea. Simply calling him (I assume it's a he) a "child" is rather discriminatory, not to mention belittling and offensive.
Practice what you preach? Some people are big on showing things off, others (like myself and Lazarus it would seem) are not. That does not mean that we are homophobic, racist or whatever.
*ack* You're quite right there and I completely forgot about that. I'm not a US citizen, so I have never had as much exposure to the US constitution as I might like. Thank you for reminding me
"You don't agree with me? You're a bigot/racist/homophobe/ignorant/whatever!"
People DON'T have to like what you do. They DON'T have to accept it. They DON'T have to treat it as normal.
You compare people to Hitler because they don't like your lifestyle, yet you're the one oppressing them for not liking it, trying to FORCE everyone to capitulate and think your way, trying to get everyone to conform to YOUR agenda. This isn't progress. This is the slow build to absolute anarchy OR total government control and tyranny masquerading as progress and beating down anyone who doesn't fall in line. Simply put, liberals are bullies. If you don't agree with them, they will give you no end of hell and try their damnedest to ruin you for it. It's already happening.
My only comment to this rant is...
Please show everyone where exactly, I Ever Mentioned or Even Hinted At Either of those groups in Any of my posts in this thread...
...or Any Place Else for that matter, At Any Time, Anywhere in the STO Forums.
Ad Hominem seems to have risen up and bit you in the TRIBBLE...
As for the rest,
If you wish to believe that I have "given up", simply because I don't personally wish to continue to indulge in the gross misrepresentation of my words, then so be it...
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Ad Hominem seems to have risen up and bit you in the TRIBBLE...[/quote]
And your response is "Sure I'm bad, but you're worse!".
I hate to make this observation, but this clearly marks your post out as a rant rather than a response.
I do believe it. Because you quite simply will not discuss the issue at hand. To me, that is giving up. This last part, you may consider a rant.