A group of people not having but wanting equal civil rights is the same as terrorism and violence? Really?
What about having a hedrosexual event which you convientely left out which i also said.I wasnt comparing TRIBBLE people to terrorism im showing how inapropriate either event would be in a mmo setting including a hedrosexual event as well.
This isnt the place to complain about civil rights by the way this is a video game
This is not about civil rights. I support civil rights for everybody. Freedom and Fair-Play do not apply only to the people you happen to like or agree with.
This is about an article on diversity in a game and in society having a distinctly GLBT slant when diversity is supposed to be inclusive.
Why wasn't the episode "Melora" mentioned as an example of diversity as applied to persons with physical limitations? Why not point out that Leonard Nimoy, a Jewish man, was one of the lead actors? Why aren't we celebrating the casting of women into the role of starship captains and admirals?
In my opinion, this whole thing is extremely political. Since this was promoted by PWE I do not feel any freedom to either comment on the politics of this or to moderate this topic at all. Having expressed myself, I will now excuse myself from this thread.
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I find this extremely inapropriate and highly iresponsible on the forum mods part. Im not against or hate TRIBBLE people but imagine if someone had a "guest blog" that was about a islamic jihad in game event or a hedrosexual event? where does it end? Star trek was never about bieng TRIBBLE or hedrosexual it was about exploration and ill admit acceptance. To make a entire event based on ones sexuality is highly inapropriate in a video game setting.
This is just my opinion im not saying to shut this thread down or to not have this "event" but this is a "video game" not reality just my view and opinion doesnt mean im right or wrong.
With all due respect, but you make it sound like This event is Cryptic sponsored. The majority of the blog was about acceptance of all kinds. The author of this blog had a small blurb about his fleet, a channel they have, and an event the fleet is holding. There is nothing wrong with this, and it does directly go with the theme of the Guest blog.
I really don't understand what the fuss is about. I could see if it was an event sponsored by the game itself, or if it were some offensive event. It isn't however. Comparing it to terrorism and violence doesn't help. The reason there isn't a Heterosexual event is because this is based off of the pride parades a real event and there is no Heterosexual equivalent.
I just find the whole topic inapropriate. Its fine to celebrate diversity but theres no need to focus the "diversity" on TRIBBLE people whats next celebrating uhura bieng a black women on television in the 60's? It was a historical groundbreaking thing back then but does that mean there should be a uhura bieng a black woman on tv in the 60's event? Its just inapropriate
This is partly why I've always loved Star Trek. I follow Takei on Facebook because of his humor and his activism for the LGBT community as well as his work on Japanese Internment Awareness.
I'm a firm believer that all human life is precious, no matter what their color, gender, age, culture, religion, politics, handicap, how they behave, or what they believe.
I also applaud many of the "firsts" pioneered by Star Trek. Human rights and the dignity and liberty of the individual are important.
I do not, however, appreciate the sexual orientation "bent" of this article or the plug for Stonewall and I don't believe that STO should be portrayed as a showcase for the GLBT community.
Diversity encompasses ALL of us, including those of us who hold different beliefs.
I am very disappointed that PWE allowed and promoted this. We are not allowed to discuss religion or politics or offensive topics on the forums, but this was deemed acceptable?
As my signature states, the above is all my own opinion and does not represent anyone's viewpoint but my own.
As much as I like the sight of two females kissing, I have to agree that this blog entry should have an adult only age-gate, since this game is (un)fortunately not rated M.
But concern for minors aside, I wish everybody fun and peace on the event!
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
It is completely inappropriate for a company like PWE to endorse and promote an event like this and promote a particular fleet in an official capacity. They are picking winners and losers. It opens the door to other groups to request and claim privilege endorsing their views over others. What are next, Latino and African ancestry appreciation weekends? I can guarantee that there will never be a Caucasian/Nordic appreciation weekend because that would be racist. Is the weekend after this event going to be Straight pride weekend to promote traditional values? What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Promoting a celebration of a biological/social trait is not something that should be endorsed by the provider of the game. If you want to self-associate with individuals of a particular nature, that is fine. If you want to privately promote something that is fine as well. However when the game itself endorses such an event, it opens the door to favoritism and promoting agendas that may or may not agree with the customer base.
Leave the social struggles outside of the game. Forcing it down the throats of the player base will lead to backlash and negative outcomes. I can guarantee that this event will have a lot of blowback. An anonymous individual who can create multiple free accounts at will can and will troll and attempt to disrupt this event. You cannot force people to accept your viewpoints and the internet breeds people who do misconduct to annoy others.
I'm a firm believer that all human life is precious, no matter what their color, gender, age, culture, religion, politics, handicap, how they behave, or what they believe.
I also applaud many of the "firsts" pioneered by Star Trek. Human rights and the dignity and liberty of the individual are important.
I do not, however, appreciate the sexual orientation "bent" of this article or the plug for Stonewall and I don't believe that STO should be portrayed as a showcase for the GLBT community.
Diversity encompasses ALL of us, including those of us who hold different beliefs.
I am very disappointed that PWE allowed and promoted this. We are not allowed to discuss religion or politics or offensive topics on the forums, but this was deemed acceptable?
As my signature states, the above is all my own opinion and does not represent anyone's viewpoint but my own.
I am in 100% agreement with you, Bluegeek. You did me a favor and put my feelings to words in a very good way, so I won't add to what you've said, except perhaps;
It is completely inappropriate for a company like PWE to endorse and promote an event like this and promote a particular fleet in an official capacity. They are picking winners and losers. It opens the door to other groups to request and claim privilege endorsing their views over others. What are next, Latino and African ancestry appreciation weekends? I can guarantee that there will never be a Caucasian/Nordic appreciation week because that would be racist. Is the weekend after this event going to be Straight pride weekend to promote traditional values? What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Promoting a celebration of a biological/social trait is not something that should be endorsed by the provider of the game. If you want to self-associate with individuals of a particular nature, that is fine. If you want to privately promote something that is fine as well. However when the game itself endorses such an event, it opens the door to favoritism and promoting agendas that may or may not agree with the customer base.
Leave the social struggles outside of the game. Forcing it down the throats of the player base will lead to backlash and negative outcomes. I can guarantee that this event will have a lot of blowback. An anonymous individual who can create multiple free accounts at will can and will troll and attempt to disrupt this event. You cannot force people to accept your viewpoints and the internet breeds people who do misconduct to annoy others.
Nordric appreciation week? As a fan of Viking folk metal , you have my vote for it!
Viking Pride, That's an awesome idea! The best pride there is!
I ask Cryptic now to give us all Axes for this new and best of all event, complete with mead!
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Hate? What hate? You just proved my point. People say they don't want to see this kind of thing in a game, especially one marketed toward younger people, and suddenly you're screaming 'hate' and 'slurs' when nobody said anything remotely like that. You then insult and belittle said people. and you're accusing THEM of hate? Think about that
Thank you for proving my point
Getting a bit excited here, I think. I use the terms "hate" and "slurs" in a general manner instead of regaling the forums with specific incidents (that would be tedious). This is not in any way, shape, or form even the majority of reactions we get when people get that the "Guardians of Equestria" is an MLP reference or if they see a ship name that identifies them as a being part of that fandom. To be honest, those that don't know the references are pretty oblivious, and those that do are probably fans.
My point really, is that people are capable of taking a concept or proclivity held by someone else, that may not mirror their own, and their first response is to to repel from it instead of trying to understand it. We use labels to separate each other, and divide each other into neat little peicemeal pigeon holes to make it easier to decide how to engage others, when really the only label that should be of any true value is that of "person". This is part of why we are at a point when we can't solve real problems in the world that involve serious debate with people we disagree with. We can always choose to disagree with each other without being disagreeable and the world would be a much better place for it.
Excellent blog, thanks for sharing. Not sure if I'll be able to attend or not, but I will try.
As for all the people complaining in this thread, I'm actually appalled. For one, this isn't "pushing it in your face" as a lot of you seem to think, the article only actually talks about TRIBBLE rights in the last section, the start of it is about racial identity, then gender identity and finally sexual identity. Something that Trek covered numerous times.
Also for those of you saying this is "not suitable for minors", get a grip, it's hardly pornographic. Heck my niece knew simply from going to school that TRIBBLE people love other people of the same gender, by the time she was 6.
This may be a game, but it's a game based on Star Trek, this event has Star Trek at it's core. If you don't like it, don't read the article, don't post in the thread and don't attend the event... Problem solved.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
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It is completely inappropriate for a company like PWE to endorse and promote an event like this and promote a particular fleet in an official capacity. They are picking winners and losers. It opens the door to other groups to request and claim privilege endorsing their views over others. What are next, Latino and African ancestry appreciation weekends? I can guarantee that there will never be a Caucasian/Nordic appreciation weekend because that would be racist. Is the weekend after this event going to be Straight pride weekend to promote traditional values? What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Promoting a celebration of a biological/social trait is not something that should be endorsed by the provider of the game. If you want to self-associate with individuals of a particular nature, that is fine. If you want to privately promote something that is fine as well. However when the game itself endorses such an event, it opens the door to favoritism and promoting agendas that may or may not agree with the customer base.
Leave the social struggles outside of the game. Forcing it down the throats of the player base will lead to backlash and negative outcomes. I can guarantee that this event will have a lot of blowback. An anonymous individual who can create multiple free accounts at will can and will troll and attempt to disrupt this event. You cannot force people to accept your viewpoints and the internet breeds people who do misconduct to annoy others.
Agreed. No need to drag things like this into a game that is basically just about blowing stuff up. I'd rather have a videogame forum be devoid of politics, sexual preferences, religion or any other of those things.
Except this is not a game that is, "basically about blowing stuff up."
It is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) based upon the Star Trek franchise, a franchise which from the very beginning tackled delicate social and political issues.
For those of us born long after the original series was off the air, it might be difficult to appreciate, but when the first episode of Star Trek premiered:
Interracial marriage was illegal in much of the United States.
Homosexual conduct was a crime punished by imprisonment in much of the United States.
Martin Luther King was still alive and fighting for equal rights for black Americans.
The US and USSR had brought the world to the brink of nuclear annihilation five years before.
Women were legally or de facto barred from many jobs and vocations in the United States.
In its three years on the air, Star Trek challenged all of these political and social conventions. I do not think that you understand what either what Star Trek, or this game, which is an heir to the franchise, is supposed to be about at his heart.
Yes, because one of the most influential bodies in world history requires the same space in a diversity blog as a group of people whose civil rights are denied :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
edit: Ironically, their civil rights are denied by the same group you want to celebrate
I wanted to offer a heart-felt thank-you to Cryptic for posting this guest blog in service of one of many communities that exist in the STO MMO.
While I'm very proud that Stonewall is sponsoring the event, clearly our fleet is not the only voice that connects to our community in game. Allowing the Pride event to be announced publicly offers a wonderful opportunity to bring together people from many fleets throughout the game to join in the fun, should they be LGBT, or just friends in search of a good party.
If it's not your thing, then the game is still there for you to play as always. Isn't that what's wonderful about an MMO?
In celebration of IDIC and the principles of respect and tolerance that lies at the core of the philosophies of Star Trek, I look forward to the event!
Props to you guys. If there is any place to celebrate diversity, a multi-national game based on a universe of diverse alien species and ideals is the best place to do it!
I find this extremely inapropriate and highly iresponsible on the forum mods part. Im not against or hate TRIBBLE people but imagine if someone had a "guest blog" that was about a islamic jihad in game event or a hedrosexual event? where does it end? Star trek was never about bieng TRIBBLE or hedrosexual it was about exploration and ill admit acceptance. To make a entire event based on ones sexuality is highly inapropriate in a video game setting.
This is just my opinion im not saying to shut this thread down or to not have this "event" but this is a "video game" not reality just my view and opinion doesnt mean im right or wrong.
Did you just equate homosexuality to Terrorism?
Seriously?
Since the game is not rated M, special consideration should be given to the kids that play this game. They don't need to know about "LGBT" stuff so early on.
wat
Are you sincerely suggesting that orientation is something that should be kept from kids? We're talking simple orientation, not depictions of actual sex acts or anything that could actually be harmful to a child. Am I correct in my interpretation on this?
There is nothing harmful about the concept of sexual orientation. There is nothing hardcore or scarring in this article. There is literally nothing in this article anywhere that could be remotely harmful to a child in any conceivable way, shape, or form. There is nothing inherently "M-rated" about two dudes in love any more than there is anything M-Rated about Cinderella being in love with Prince Charming.
I get that people want to protect their children, and there are absolutely things they should be slowly and carefully exposed to at the right time, so that they aren't adversely affected. But the idea of two people being in love isn't one of them.
This is not about civil rights. I support civil rights for everybody. Freedom and Fair-Play do not apply only to the people you happen to like or agree with.
This is about an article on diversity in a game and in society having a distinctly GLBT slant when diversity is supposed to be inclusive.
Why wasn't the episode "Melora" mentioned as an example of diversity as applied to persons with physical limitations? Why not point out that Leonard Nimoy, a Jewish man, was one of the lead actors? Why aren't we celebrating the casting of women into the role of starship captains and admirals?
In my opinion, this whole thing is extremely political. Since this was promoted by PWE I do not feel any freedom to either comment on the politics of this or to moderate this topic at all. Having expressed myself, I will now excuse myself from this thread.
This. Let the record show that I do not appreciate STO actively promoting any political or social stance that is at all controversial in the world today, even ones I do not oppose. Now, I have no idea what I am or am not allowed to say here, so I will just show myself out.
Actually, I will quote Picard, who reminds us that all opinions, no matter how backwards we may think them, should not be silenced out of fear.
"You know, there are some words I've known since I was a schoolboy: "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
whats harmful is using a video game to promote a lifestyle choice be it hedro or TRIBBLE. Its just inapropriate. If children want to know about alternative lifestyles or lifestyles in general theres google and other services available. Should we expose children to satanism and christianity and islam? Should this be called political trek lol
Are you sincerely suggesting that orientation is something that should be kept from kids? We're talking simple orientation, not depictions of actual sex acts or anything that could actually be harmful to a child. Am I correct in my interpretation on this?
There is nothing harmful about the concept of sexual orientation. There is nothing hardcore or scarring in this article. There is literally nothing in this article anywhere that could be remotely harmful to a child in any conceivable way, shape, or form. There is nothing inherently "M-rated" about two dudes in love any more than there is anything M-Rated about Cinderella being in love with Prince Charming.
I get that people want to protect their children, and there are absolutely things they should be slowly and carefully exposed to at the right time, so that they aren't adversely affected. But the idea of two people being in love isn't one of them.
whats harmful is using a video game to promote a lifestyle choice be it hedro or TRIBBLE. Its just inapropriate. If children want to know about alternative lifestyles or lifestyles in general theres google and other services available. Should we expose children to satanism and christianity and islam? Should this be called political trek lol
I do not believe that being heterosexual or homosexual is a "lifestyle choice" any more than eating food or breathing oxygen is a "lifestyle choice". It is a basic biological impulse that predates the evolution of mankind.
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A group of people not having but wanting equal civil rights is the same as terrorism and violence? Really?
What about having a hedrosexual event which you convientely left out which i also said.I wasnt comparing TRIBBLE people to terrorism im showing how inapropriate either event would be in a mmo setting including a hedrosexual event as well.
This isnt the place to complain about civil rights by the way this is a video game
This is about an article on diversity in a game and in society having a distinctly GLBT slant when diversity is supposed to be inclusive.
Why wasn't the episode "Melora" mentioned as an example of diversity as applied to persons with physical limitations? Why not point out that Leonard Nimoy, a Jewish man, was one of the lead actors? Why aren't we celebrating the casting of women into the role of starship captains and admirals?
In my opinion, this whole thing is extremely political. Since this was promoted by PWE I do not feel any freedom to either comment on the politics of this or to moderate this topic at all. Having expressed myself, I will now excuse myself from this thread.
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This would make me play with my Fed again
With all due respect, but you make it sound like This event is Cryptic sponsored. The majority of the blog was about acceptance of all kinds. The author of this blog had a small blurb about his fleet, a channel they have, and an event the fleet is holding. There is nothing wrong with this, and it does directly go with the theme of the Guest blog.
I really don't understand what the fuss is about. I could see if it was an event sponsored by the game itself, or if it were some offensive event. It isn't however. Comparing it to terrorism and violence doesn't help. The reason there isn't a Heterosexual event is because this is based off of the pride parades a real event and there is no Heterosexual equivalent.
As much as I like the sight of two females kissing, I have to agree that this blog entry should have an adult only age-gate, since this game is (un)fortunately not rated M.
But concern for minors aside, I wish everybody fun and peace on the event!
Promoting a celebration of a biological/social trait is not something that should be endorsed by the provider of the game. If you want to self-associate with individuals of a particular nature, that is fine. If you want to privately promote something that is fine as well. However when the game itself endorses such an event, it opens the door to favoritism and promoting agendas that may or may not agree with the customer base.
Leave the social struggles outside of the game. Forcing it down the throats of the player base will lead to backlash and negative outcomes. I can guarantee that this event will have a lot of blowback. An anonymous individual who can create multiple free accounts at will can and will troll and attempt to disrupt this event. You cannot force people to accept your viewpoints and the internet breeds people who do misconduct to annoy others.
I am in 100% agreement with you, Bluegeek. You did me a favor and put my feelings to words in a very good way, so I won't add to what you've said, except perhaps;
Roman Catholic guest blog and event, anybody?
Nordric appreciation week? As a fan of Viking folk metal , you have my vote for it!
Viking Pride, That's an awesome idea! The best pride there is!
I ask Cryptic now to give us all Axes for this new and best of all event, complete with mead!
Getting a bit excited here, I think. I use the terms "hate" and "slurs" in a general manner instead of regaling the forums with specific incidents (that would be tedious). This is not in any way, shape, or form even the majority of reactions we get when people get that the "Guardians of Equestria" is an MLP reference or if they see a ship name that identifies them as a being part of that fandom. To be honest, those that don't know the references are pretty oblivious, and those that do are probably fans.
My point really, is that people are capable of taking a concept or proclivity held by someone else, that may not mirror their own, and their first response is to to repel from it instead of trying to understand it. We use labels to separate each other, and divide each other into neat little peicemeal pigeon holes to make it easier to decide how to engage others, when really the only label that should be of any true value is that of "person". This is part of why we are at a point when we can't solve real problems in the world that involve serious debate with people we disagree with. We can always choose to disagree with each other without being disagreeable and the world would be a much better place for it.
As for all the people complaining in this thread, I'm actually appalled. For one, this isn't "pushing it in your face" as a lot of you seem to think, the article only actually talks about TRIBBLE rights in the last section, the start of it is about racial identity, then gender identity and finally sexual identity. Something that Trek covered numerous times.
Also for those of you saying this is "not suitable for minors", get a grip, it's hardly pornographic. Heck my niece knew simply from going to school that TRIBBLE people love other people of the same gender, by the time she was 6.
This may be a game, but it's a game based on Star Trek, this event has Star Trek at it's core. If you don't like it, don't read the article, don't post in the thread and don't attend the event... Problem solved.
Except this is not a game that is, "basically about blowing stuff up."
It is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) based upon the Star Trek franchise, a franchise which from the very beginning tackled delicate social and political issues.
For those of us born long after the original series was off the air, it might be difficult to appreciate, but when the first episode of Star Trek premiered:
Interracial marriage was illegal in much of the United States.
Homosexual conduct was a crime punished by imprisonment in much of the United States.
Martin Luther King was still alive and fighting for equal rights for black Americans.
The US and USSR had brought the world to the brink of nuclear annihilation five years before.
Women were legally or de facto barred from many jobs and vocations in the United States.
In its three years on the air, Star Trek challenged all of these political and social conventions. I do not think that you understand what either what Star Trek, or this game, which is an heir to the franchise, is supposed to be about at his heart.
Yes, because one of the most influential bodies in world history requires the same space in a diversity blog as a group of people whose civil rights are denied :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
edit: Ironically, their civil rights are denied by the same group you want to celebrate
While I'm very proud that Stonewall is sponsoring the event, clearly our fleet is not the only voice that connects to our community in game. Allowing the Pride event to be announced publicly offers a wonderful opportunity to bring together people from many fleets throughout the game to join in the fun, should they be LGBT, or just friends in search of a good party.
If it's not your thing, then the game is still there for you to play as always. Isn't that what's wonderful about an MMO?
In celebration of IDIC and the principles of respect and tolerance that lies at the core of the philosophies of Star Trek, I look forward to the event!
Did you just equate homosexuality to Terrorism?
Seriously?
wat
Are you sincerely suggesting that orientation is something that should be kept from kids? We're talking simple orientation, not depictions of actual sex acts or anything that could actually be harmful to a child. Am I correct in my interpretation on this?
There is nothing harmful about the concept of sexual orientation. There is nothing hardcore or scarring in this article. There is literally nothing in this article anywhere that could be remotely harmful to a child in any conceivable way, shape, or form. There is nothing inherently "M-rated" about two dudes in love any more than there is anything M-Rated about Cinderella being in love with Prince Charming.
I get that people want to protect their children, and there are absolutely things they should be slowly and carefully exposed to at the right time, so that they aren't adversely affected. But the idea of two people being in love isn't one of them.
I'm going to lie down, my head hurts.
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I am just kind of curious exactly what in the blog you feel is not appropriate for younger people:
That there are racial, ethnic, social, political, and sexual minorities in the US?
That there has been and continues to be discrimination against racial, ethnic, social, political, and sexual minorities in the US?
That Star Trek has tackled these issues since its premiere?
Please inform us, to what exactly should children not be exposed?
Ah, so now Islam is by definition terrorism too?
And I have no idea what Hedrosexual is, perhaps you mean Heterosexual.
This. Let the record show that I do not appreciate STO actively promoting any political or social stance that is at all controversial in the world today, even ones I do not oppose. Now, I have no idea what I am or am not allowed to say here, so I will just show myself out.
Actually, I will quote Picard, who reminds us that all opinions, no matter how backwards we may think them, should not be silenced out of fear.
"You know, there are some words I've known since I was a schoolboy: "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I do not believe that being heterosexual or homosexual is a "lifestyle choice" any more than eating food or breathing oxygen is a "lifestyle choice". It is a basic biological impulse that predates the evolution of mankind.
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