It sounds like you are really not familiar with how energy drain works. A target's drain defenses have no bearing on how much the energy is being transferred. The actual energy gain is based on the strength of the said boff power and the captain's skills, nothing else, not even Aux power level.
Also, to be confirmed by the dev, Borg NPC have in fact higher resists against many Sci powers than players do. Notice how things like scramble sensors or jam sensors barely affect the Borg? What you see in the pic is a Borg Sphere being hammered by total drain on his weapons system by a wooping 109 points. Against a player who has no energy resist, his weapons would be offline long time ago but the Sphere's weapons are not. In addition, NPCs in general have been greatly enhanced at the Elite level since LoR. Borg in particular now move incredibly fast and aggressively that Gravity Well no longer holds them anymore. You should try fighting those NPC at Elite level and see how much they have been buffed, the difference is super obvious.
Actually I do know the mechanics involved. My point is that the leech is not what is giving him these huges numbers as he gloated about.
So perhaps, it would be wiser for you to get your facts right and actually play and see the difference yourself than patronizing others with those remarks. There is speed and damage buff, not just the Borg.
Coming from the person jumping down anyone's throat who disagrees with them, and subsequently going off on lore related rants: even more adorable.
I also played other NPC missions, like Defense Contract, to get my daily allotment of Duterium surplus. You should see how much those Cardi NPCs got buffed damage wise. In less than 3 seconds, I lost over 30% of my hull while my shields were up. Also, for the first time in ages, I failed to defend all 3 posts (1 of them blew up without me even realizing it until after the mission was done). Granted, the difficulty level is set at Elite. However, their damage got boosted so much, the firs tank is reported to suffer heavy damage pretty much within 5 seconds of the NPC showing up, before I could even started to open fire.
Look at that, you managed to answer your own question. Elite is, and always has, scaled terribly. Not to mention that ESTFs and "Elite" missions are not remotely related.
Once again, you think incorrectly. ES has a duplicate cooldown of 30s on each other, which means no ES can run simultaneously. In other words, only one ES may be active at any given time. Hence, running two has nothing to do with the "amazing power levels". Heck, if anyone can put one ES and cause all their powers to be 125+ everywhere, the dev would have nerfed it long time ago. So no, your hypothesis is wrong. As to the exact why & how and details of the mechanics or what consoles are used - I am not going to disclose it in a Klingon forum - sorry, classified on the orders of Starfleet. :P
I don't think anybody claimed u were running syphons simultaneously. That would, in fact, be counterproductive. You were running them back-to-back, is what was implied.
Funny, the news that Starfleet will gain access to Leech was revealed one day before LoR in a LoR blog post, which I read but completely missed. I suspect many Feds also missed them in those long readings and blogs. In other words, nothing caught our attention until the Klingons started to cry foul in super high pitch and attracted the attention of every person and their pets.
So far, the vast majority of high end Romulan ships I have seen out there seem to go overwhelmingly Federation. Could it be that they realize that joining KDF has less value because they already have the cloaking technology and joining Starfleet will bring more utility to them? In any event, blaming it on one console is just, um...how can I say this diplomatically, well "far-fetched".
I have doubts about that. Judging based on your posts here re: this topic, your grasp of this topic contains errors that anyone who is familiar with the mechanics wouldn't make. But again, this is besides the point and you are not on trial even though I resent your choice of words such as "gloat". In any event, times to move on, all we hearing is excuses after excuses that somehow justify these series of emotional outbursts. I prefer to focus on the pragmatic and see what we can do. One of the recurring theme that has merit in this thread is that the Emission-Seeking torp is too weak and not a fair trade. I haven't seen anyone who disagrees yet. So, in light of this, the focus should be how to make this right? Think about it, the trade is done, it's too late to revert it, as there are so many of these boxes for sale on the exchange and many have already bought. You can't undo it so the only option left is to fix it. I will start a new thread in the appropriate forum to get Borticus' attention, he is very open to constructive & pragmatic feedback. I will even convey many of the frustrations summarized here, stripping away the emotional aspects, and present the factual part to him. He is not kneen on listening to emotional outbursts but show him the facts and good points, and he will listen and consider.
Funny, the news that Starfleet will gain access to Leech was revealed one day before LoR in a LoR blog post, which I read but completely missed.
So indeed, people are not as dumb as you think because anyone who is not blind can see exactly that this news was released one day before LoR release as opposed to the false claim of "weeks before LoR", per the timestamps.
uh...are you experiencing temporal displacement or something?
Clearly, because I carefully read that blog before making my own post, which is time-stamped at 11:30 am. Assuming I took 30 mins to read the blog in its entirety, that puts the blog 1hr ahead of its purported time stamp.. :rolleyes:
I stand by what I said. The Player in question is not getting all his bonus power from the leech unless its broken and most likely is seeing it from running twin Energy Siphon on his build much like one can run almost twin anypower by doing so in cycle like one can with EPTx powers.
I surely stand by the gloating or say you did not read this whole thread. A lot of fed gloating in here.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Coming from the person jumping down anyone's throat who disagrees with them, and subsequently going off on lore related rants: even more adorable.
Look at that, you managed to answer your own question. Elite is, and always has, scaled terribly. Not to mention that ESTFs and "Elite" missions are not remotely related.
NO..He IS right, there was an unintended consequence in game mechanics because of the EPTx "fix". I flew nothing BUT elites and with very good teams that often worked the estf's down to 5-7 min. today i felt like we were the stf version of the keystone kops. It was awful. instakils simultaneously to several of us (not grouped together) in different planes of approach. Methinks you love the new EPTx so much you have to get defensive, and a bit angry as well.
[SIGPIC]tritrophic mutualism: we get a viable game experience, and perfect worlds new ai "ARC" dines on our zen[/SIGPIC]
If only I could get a tier 5 version to go along with my apparently game breakingly good (for feds) leech console.
Oh, the Plasmonic Leech isn't game-breaking; my problem with the release of the Plasmonic Leech is entirely timing and trade balance. The Leech is a very handy tool to balance the power level issues a Warbird suffers from, and even with the buff to match a High Yield (of unspecified strength) the Ionized Gas Sensor is not really that useful in comparison.
As far as the T5 or Fleet Exeter idea I've seen around, I have to agree that a cruiser that turns would very much make my Federation Engineer happy... the poor guy has to fly a Chel Grett to be able to turn, and the Exeter looks way cooler. Though aesthetics are a matter of personal taste, and I don't care that much about RP, it is nice to fly a ship from your own faction. Unfortunately, the KDF is extremely limited in the number of hulls to choose from, and really could use the expanded repetoire more than the Federation.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Oh, the Plasmonic Leech isn't game-breaking; my problem with the release of the Plasmonic Leech is entirely timing and trade balance. The Leech is a very handy tool to balance the power level issues a Warbird suffers from, and even with the buff to match a High Yield (of unspecified strength) the Ionized Gas Sensor is not really that useful in comparison.
As far as the T5 or Fleet Exeter idea I've seen around, I have to agree that a cruiser that turns would very much make my Federation Engineer happy... the poor guy has to fly a Chel Grett to be able to turn, and the Exeter looks way cooler. Though aesthetics are a matter of personal taste, and I don't care that much about RP, it is nice to fly a ship from your own faction. Unfortunately, the KDF is extremely limited in the number of hulls to choose from, and really could use the expanded repetoire more than the Federation.[/QUOTE]
Unless you happen to be fighting cloakers. And now there is a whole faction with battle cloak.
2 new bop's so far. They may even start releasing more depending on if the KDF actualy starts buying some of whats there.
As a time traveller, Am I supposed to pack underwear or underwhen?
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NO..He IS right, there was an unintended consequence in game mechanics because of the EPTx "fix". I flew nothing BUT elites and with very good teams that often worked the estf's down to 5-7 min. today i felt like we were the stf version of the keystone kops. It was awful. instakils simultaneously to several of us (not grouped together) in different planes of approach. Methinks you love the new EPTx so much you have to get defensive, and a bit angry as well.
Observe. Learn. Adapt. NPCs now actually yielding noticeable buffs from their abilities isn't some monumental difficulty ramp up. It just means you need to plan for slightly more than pew pewing everything in sight.
Having to think about your tactics once or twice during an STF as opposed to doing nothing but mashing the Tac Team and autofire buttons is far from a bad thing.
I flew nothing BUT elites and with very good teams that often worked the estf's down to 5-7 min. today i felt like we were the stf version of the keystone kops. It was awful. instakils simultaneously to several of us (not grouped together) in different planes of approach.
Wow sounds awesome, thanks for the tip.
I hope these buffs have the Elite Borg punishing terrible players and teams!
Can't wait to get home and do a few runs, this will be fun.
I have doubts about that. Judging based on your posts here re: this topic, your grasp of this topic contains errors that anyone who is familiar with the mechanics wouldn't make. But again, this is besides the point and you are not on trial even though I resent your choice of words such as "gloat". In any event, times to move on, all we hearing is excuses after excuses that somehow justify these series of emotional outbursts.
Not sure if someone said it in this thread yet but now KDF can get MACO, OMEGA, and KHG gear for ground and space. Please correct me if im wrong but KDF could not get OMEGA before ( I could be turned around here).
I think the green skins help the KDF faction myself, if we can get to fly ROM ships it would be better, so it works both ways on that. Im sure that may be coming in future. For now people enjoy the game and have fun with what you have rather than dwell on what you don't. You have it better than 80% of the people in the world. Just food for thought.
Unless you happen to be fighting cloakers. And now there is a whole faction with battle cloak.
2 new bop's so far. They may even start releasing more depending on if the KDF actualy starts buying some of whats there.
The cloakers part is accurate, though the 2 min cooldown is far longer than that of a cloaking device, which rather reduces its effectiveness. You also trade a console slot to counter an ability that already has a nice list of counters. Power boost that builds as I shoot vs cloak hunter every 2 minutes... rather slot the Leech on either faction.
As far ships go, I rather hope you're right, and they do start to balance things a bit better as far as ship classes go. We'll see. At least my Federation captain has more toys to play with... I just wish the devs would balance the halves a bit further, rather than leaving them lopsided.
Oh, as a side note, I think the reason the system bugged when you quoted me is that the QUOTE part at the beginning has to be all caps.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
The cloakers part is accurate, though the 2 min cooldown is far longer than that of a cloaking device, which rather reduces its effectiveness. You also trade a console slot to counter an ability that already has a nice list of counters. Power boost that builds as I shoot vs cloak hunter every 2 minutes... rather slot the Leech on either faction.
As far ships go, I rather hope you're right, and they do start to balance things a bit better as far as ship classes go. We'll see. At least my Federation captain has more toys to play with... I just wish the devs would balance the halves a bit further, rather than leaving them lopsided.
Oh, as a side note, I think the reason the system bugged when you quoted me is that the QUOTE part at the beginning has to be all caps.
Yeah th cd is rather long I'll give you that. Perhaps we should petition to reduce it? And possibly nadeon detonator as well.
On ships;
In all honesty I always thought the KDF having fewer ships (at leas as far as ship models goes) Made sense with their general philosiphy. You never really see them throw any weapon aside as useless, and most of their weapons are steeped in tradition.
Perhaps afew more models but I would think they would just have more refit/retrofit/overhauled/repurposed ships rather than new classes.
But thats more of a canon argument.
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You're welcome to our disused leavings, certainly you need them far more than we do, and I expect you'll give appropriate credit when that Klink in the F2P BoP with no uni consoles blows your hotdog-and-saucer or modern art masterpiece into little glowing chunks falling into a ruptured singularity core.
Thus demonstrating that you can't BUY skill, no matter what the ad banners on the Dev Blogs tell you.
I used to oppose giving the Feds Leech, but having seen how poorly most of them fly even WITH it, I'm no longer concerned-it really has become the norm that we betatest what the Devs intended to give the Blue team all along...
Happy flying.
Well I personally rarely see a Klingon who wouldn't use the leach if they owned it so I don't know why you're calling it disused leavings. And this attitude that klingons are automatically better than feds at pvp is gonna go down the drain since there's gonna be a lot of Klink newbs since you can start as one.
I personally don't use the leech. Part of the reason is because that's just gonna take up another console slot. . .and I don't have many to spare in my Hegh'ta. I'm already carrying three universal consoles. . .I'd have to exchange one of my current ones to make room for a PL console.
I guess Cryptic grew tired of us praising them for the new content we were getting for the better part of a month, so they decided to decided to get us raging again with the release of the PL console. A console I might add that costs 1k zen for us to get, but only 1.5mil on the exchange for a fed right now.
I was all ready to become a lifetime subscriber when LoR first released. I had my card out on the keyboard, and was about to click on the link to take me to membership page. I instead decided to see what the new Tal Shiar boxes were dropping, and could only shake my head and slide my card back into my wallet. For a long time now Cryptic continues to do things to discourage me from becoming a LTS member. I guess they must be doing so well financially that they really don't need my money.
Having the Feddies get the leech wouldn't have been so bad, if it had actually been a fair trade.
Give the Feds a console that's always on and provides a good bonus, and in exchange give the KDF a mild anti-stealth boost and a torpedo that might find a target, hit the hull for some damage, and not decloak it if it's a battlecloak/enhanced battlecloak (which every Rom-Fed ship will have)?
The thing's only really useful against regular-cloak ships (i.e., most KDF ships and the Federation cloak ships), and that's if it finds a target.
Basically, it feels like Cryptic once again gave the Federation access to our good consoles, and gave us mediocre TRIBBLE in return.
It's not the KDF's fault the developers don't give the Federation enough cool exclusive consoles. We just want this BS to stop.
It's ALWAYS a stupid thing when they give cross faction consoles, because you end up with a faction's unique console becoming VASTLY more abundant and prevalent within the opposing faction, due to being much more widely available to that faction than to the one that has to buy the ship to get it. It would take some SERIOUSLY harsh drop rates for it to drop in small enough numbers that there would end up being remotely close to an equal number of consoles on both sides. The whole system is badly implemented from the start. Now, stick the cross faction consoles as pack-ins with the ships included in the lockboxes, or as lobi store items and we're talking much better balance in the acquisition rates of cross faction stuff.
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Actually I do know the mechanics involved. My point is that the leech is not what is giving him these huges numbers as he gloated about.
R.I.P
Coming from the person jumping down anyone's throat who disagrees with them, and subsequently going off on lore related rants: even more adorable.
Look at that, you managed to answer your own question. Elite is, and always has, scaled terribly. Not to mention that ESTFs and "Elite" missions are not remotely related.
I don't think anybody claimed u were running syphons simultaneously. That would, in fact, be counterproductive. You were running them back-to-back, is what was implied.
The blog reveal is older than this thread.. People are not as dumb as you like to think.
Do you see the irony in your position yet?
Elite Defense Stovokor
I have doubts about that. Judging based on your posts here re: this topic, your grasp of this topic contains errors that anyone who is familiar with the mechanics wouldn't make. But again, this is besides the point and you are not on trial even though I resent your choice of words such as "gloat". In any event, times to move on, all we hearing is excuses after excuses that somehow justify these series of emotional outbursts. I prefer to focus on the pragmatic and see what we can do. One of the recurring theme that has merit in this thread is that the Emission-Seeking torp is too weak and not a fair trade. I haven't seen anyone who disagrees yet. So, in light of this, the focus should be how to make this right? Think about it, the trade is done, it's too late to revert it, as there are so many of these boxes for sale on the exchange and many have already bought. You can't undo it so the only option left is to fix it. I will start a new thread in the appropriate forum to get Borticus' attention, he is very open to constructive & pragmatic feedback. I will even convey many of the frustrations summarized here, stripping away the emotional aspects, and present the factual part to him. He is not kneen on listening to emotional outbursts but show him the facts and good points, and he will listen and consider.
uh...are you experiencing temporal displacement or something?
Here is post #1 of this thread :
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=10072091&postcount=1
Time stamped : 05-20-2013, 11:14 AM
Here is the LoR Dev Blog #21 in which it was revealed :
http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=893651
Time stamped : By PWE_BranFlakes @ May 20, 2013 at 12:00pm
Here is the claim made by bitemepwe :
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=10264831&postcount=265
In reply the above, I stated :
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=10269481&postcount=269
So indeed, people are not as dumb as you think because anyone who is not blind can see exactly that this news was released one day before LoR release as opposed to the false claim of "weeks before LoR", per the timestamps.
Clearly, because I carefully read that blog before making my own post, which is time-stamped at 11:30 am. Assuming I took 30 mins to read the blog in its entirety, that puts the blog 1hr ahead of its purported time stamp.. :rolleyes:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=10072771&postcount=5
Elite Defense Stovokor
I surely stand by the gloating or say you did not read this whole thread. A lot of fed gloating in here.
R.I.P
Okay, fair point, it does look awfully cool :cool:
If only I could get a tier 5 version to go along with my apparently game breakingly good (for feds) leech console.
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Oh, the Plasmonic Leech isn't game-breaking; my problem with the release of the Plasmonic Leech is entirely timing and trade balance. The Leech is a very handy tool to balance the power level issues a Warbird suffers from, and even with the buff to match a High Yield (of unspecified strength) the Ionized Gas Sensor is not really that useful in comparison.
As far as the T5 or Fleet Exeter idea I've seen around, I have to agree that a cruiser that turns would very much make my Federation Engineer happy... the poor guy has to fly a Chel Grett to be able to turn, and the Exeter looks way cooler. Though aesthetics are a matter of personal taste, and I don't care that much about RP, it is nice to fly a ship from your own faction. Unfortunately, the KDF is extremely limited in the number of hulls to choose from, and really could use the expanded repetoire more than the Federation.
Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
Occidere populo et effercio confractus
Observe. Learn. Adapt. NPCs now actually yielding noticeable buffs from their abilities isn't some monumental difficulty ramp up. It just means you need to plan for slightly more than pew pewing everything in sight.
Having to think about your tactics once or twice during an STF as opposed to doing nothing but mashing the Tac Team and autofire buttons is far from a bad thing.
Wow sounds awesome, thanks for the tip.
I hope these buffs have the Elite Borg punishing terrible players and teams!
Can't wait to get home and do a few runs, this will be fun.
I think you've targeted the wrong poster, bud.
I think the green skins help the KDF faction myself, if we can get to fly ROM ships it would be better, so it works both ways on that. Im sure that may be coming in future. For now people enjoy the game and have fun with what you have rather than dwell on what you don't. You have it better than 80% of the people in the world. Just food for thought.
u guys are great, rofl. keep it coming.
The cloakers part is accurate, though the 2 min cooldown is far longer than that of a cloaking device, which rather reduces its effectiveness. You also trade a console slot to counter an ability that already has a nice list of counters. Power boost that builds as I shoot vs cloak hunter every 2 minutes... rather slot the Leech on either faction.
As far ships go, I rather hope you're right, and they do start to balance things a bit better as far as ship classes go. We'll see. At least my Federation captain has more toys to play with... I just wish the devs would balance the halves a bit further, rather than leaving them lopsided.
Oh, as a side note, I think the reason the system bugged when you quoted me is that the QUOTE part at the beginning has to be all caps.
Yeah th cd is rather long I'll give you that. Perhaps we should petition to reduce it? And possibly nadeon detonator as well.
On ships;
In all honesty I always thought the KDF having fewer ships (at leas as far as ship models goes) Made sense with their general philosiphy. You never really see them throw any weapon aside as useless, and most of their weapons are steeped in tradition.
Perhaps afew more models but I would think they would just have more refit/retrofit/overhauled/repurposed ships rather than new classes.
But thats more of a canon argument.
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Well I personally rarely see a Klingon who wouldn't use the leach if they owned it so I don't know why you're calling it disused leavings. And this attitude that klingons are automatically better than feds at pvp is gonna go down the drain since there's gonna be a lot of Klink newbs since you can start as one.
It's useful, but I don't carry it or own it.
I was all ready to become a lifetime subscriber when LoR first released. I had my card out on the keyboard, and was about to click on the link to take me to membership page. I instead decided to see what the new Tal Shiar boxes were dropping, and could only shake my head and slide my card back into my wallet. For a long time now Cryptic continues to do things to discourage me from becoming a LTS member. I guess they must be doing so well financially that they really don't need my money.
Give the Feds a console that's always on and provides a good bonus, and in exchange give the KDF a mild anti-stealth boost and a torpedo that might find a target, hit the hull for some damage, and not decloak it if it's a battlecloak/enhanced battlecloak (which every Rom-Fed ship will have)?
The thing's only really useful against regular-cloak ships (i.e., most KDF ships and the Federation cloak ships), and that's if it finds a target.
Basically, it feels like Cryptic once again gave the Federation access to our good consoles, and gave us mediocre TRIBBLE in return.
It's not the KDF's fault the developers don't give the Federation enough cool exclusive consoles. We just want this BS to stop.