Given that the Federation still makes up the majority of the player base and, lets be frank, not even the majority of Federation players are going to be interested in switching whole hog to a different faction, it's a valid question.
I'm over the moon that they're adding Romulans, but this game lives and dies on the Federation player base.
Guess it comes down to the chicken and the egg. The game has been so focused on the UFP that it is only natural it makes up the majority of players especially in the F2P camp. What is really in question is if the same effort and attention were focused on the other side - soon to be sides of the house, is, will the player base change after an equal amount of time? Given that nearly every player I know - and I know many play UFP because they "have no choice" I'm willing to bet that if equal commitment of resources was given to other elements that the player base would balance out more but I digress....
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Wow this troll gets 5 stars. No content for KDF for 3 years! They finally get a few missions and Roms get put in and you complain. Go do Nimbus, or new rep grind or roll a toon on other faction. There is tons to do except that for 1 season it is not Fed centric.
Yup, going to go heat up some kettle corn in the microwave because I might as well have some pop corn to go along with my entertainment. I can't believe this thread hasn't been closed already.
Wow this troll gets 5 stars. No content for KDF for 3 years! They finally get a few missions and Roms get put in and you complain. Go do Nimbus, or new rep grind or roll a toon on other faction. There is tons to do except that for 1 season it is not Fed centric.
The OP's question is valid.
You could also take the view that feds have kept STO and possibly Cryptic as a whole financially afloat and are wondering what the game has for them in the next Xpac. We could even call the Klingons freeloaders since they clearly don't bring in what they should !!!
As for myself, I would've preferred 4 or 5 good STFs over a generic Space Elf Rebel Alliance. If not that how about an advancement of the game story that moved FORWARD instead of prequels.
But that's just me. I cannot imagine what actual Romulan fans must be feeling now. Or KDF fans for that matter, they're about to get a the Blood Elf treatment. For those wondering, Blood elves are a faction of Emo Elves added to the Horde faction in WoW, since then they have become so popular that Blood Elf characters outnumber the next two most popular horde races combined. I foresee this happening to the KDF .
There's a couple of reasons why, but either way I'd hate to see Klingons be even further down the pop totem pole, do Orions outnumber Klingons btw?
The Feds get the new Nimbus Zone missions. They gain new Warp Cores. They gain new Alliance buddies to help with their Fleet Projects. As I understand it there's a new Return of Sela mission that follows-up on the Reman FE where Sela gets captured. There's also a new Tholian Rep system with various rewards. And there's a ton of new ships coming, including the Tellarate ships and the Merian Class escort.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Guess it comes down to the chicken and the egg. The game has been so focused on the UFP that it is only natural it makes up the majority of players especially in the F2P camp. What is really in question is if the same effort and attention were focused on the other side - soon to be sides of the house, is, will the player base change after an equal amount of time? Given that nearly every player I know - and I know many play UFP because they "have no choice" I'm willing to bet that if equal commitment of resources was given to other elements that the player base would balance out more but I digress....
Sure, it's always interesting to think about what could have been. If the developers had the time and resources necessary to make good on their initial designs, meaning if the KDF had been developed as a complete PVE experience, would we see an even population split? Or, since this is Trek and there will always be a fan tendency to lean more towards the Federation? We can both agree that we'd see a more even split, something better than the oft quoted but not recently confirmed 88-12 split. My guess is that we'd have seen a 66-33 split at launch if the KDF were built as an equal faction, I make this guess exclusively on the power of my gut and nothing more.
But alas that's not what happened, so we don't get a 'chicken and egg' conundrum here. What we have instead is the very real conundrum now, the Romulan faction appeals only to those interested in rolling a new Romulan as their main or those interested in developing an alt. 20 extra levels of content for the KDF appeals only to those interested in rolling a new Klingon as their main, those interested in developing an Alt who haven't done so already and those wondering what nifty new consoles they're going to score. Since these groups combined are not likely to make up a majority of the player base the OP's question remains a valid, though narrowly conceived.
A far better question for this discussion would be, "What does your end-game level player get out of this expansion if he's not interested in rolling an Alt?" The answer appears to be, "A rep grind on Nukara" and "new targets in PVP with exciting new abilities."
Not true at all. Feds get warp cores, a whole new item to slot. And they get a very very very LCARS UI, which you know is a pretty amazing leap forward for TNG fans who've wanted that look since day 1.
And the new trait system.
I mean, yeah, this is kind of "everybody gets this stuff" but for the folks who aren't interested in Romulans or Klingons, this stuff is still part of new bits that they get to play on their fed mains.
Plus changes to BOFF powers. And some consoles, like RCS Consoles just got a boost.
It's little stuff for sure, but there is stuff in this for feds.
Season 2: Klingon updates and missions. KDF also gets the Kar'fi Carrier, their second carrier that is still superior to the Atrox. Feds get some gimmick ships and Diplomacy, which was...oh right, virtually worthless.
Season 3: General game updates. Klingons get everything the Feds got.
Season 4: General game updates and shooter mode. Qo'Nos gets revamped. No Fed-only content.
Season 5: Duty officers, new Borg stuff, Klingon updates letting you start at 20. No Fed-only content.
F2P: New flagships! Feds get the Odessy, Klinks get the Bortasqu.
Season 6: Foundry updates, fleet starbases, Tholians...no faction-specific content at all.
Season 7: New Romulus grind-zone, Rep system, STFs, and Embassy. Feds get the Vesta to slap Science Vessels in the face to make them more like Escorts and the half-dozen Warships the KDF has.
So...there are your KDF updates and KDF-centric updates. When was the last FED-centric update? Y'know, where the FEDS got something and KDF got nothing? You may have less leveling-up PvE content, although with featured episodes that hardly is even noticeable now, but you have just as much *meaningful* content as Feds, just as many if not more ships and they're pretty much just flat out BETTER than Fed ships in almost every regard, which is a slap in the face to canon because Klingons had quantity of ships whereas Starfleet had few, but powerful quality ships.
Season 2: Klingon updates and missions. KDF also gets the Kar'fi Carrier, their second carrier that is still superior to the Atrox. Feds get some gimmick ships and Diplomacy, which was...oh right, virtually worthless.
Season 3: General game updates. Klingons get everything the Feds got.
Season 4: General game updates and shooter mode. Qo'Nos gets revamped. No Fed-only content.
Season 5: Duty officers, new Borg stuff, Klingon updates letting you start at 20. No Fed-only content.
F2P: New flagships! Feds get the Odessy, Klinks get the Bortasqu.
Season 6: Foundry updates, fleet starbases, Tholians...no faction-specific content at all.
Season 7: New Romulus grind-zone, Rep system, STFs, and Embassy. Feds get the Vesta to slap Science Vessels in the face to make them more like Escorts and the half-dozen Warships the KDF has.
So...there are your KDF updates and KDF-centric updates. When was the last FED-centric update? Y'know, where the FEDS got something and KDF got nothing? You may have less leveling-up PvE content, although with featured episodes that hardly is even noticeable now, but you have just as much *meaningful* content as Feds, just as many if not more ships and they're pretty much just flat out BETTER than Fed ships in almost every regard, which is a slap in the face to canon because Klingons had quantity of ships whereas Starfleet had few, but powerful quality ships.
As someone who has up to this point played Fed almost excluseively,; the Fed side is plenty far ahead of KDF and will be plenty far ahead of the Romulans.
he has a point thou ...plus klinkies have orions,you cant ask more
I'll give you that whole thing about having Orion females around. That IS a significant perk. Why, I'm willing to wager that at least 3/4 of the KDF characters are Orion females. To the point that you wonder if they actually have Orion males :cool:
I'll give you that whole thing about having Orion females around. That IS a significant perk. Why, I'm willing to wager that at least 3/4 of the KDF characters are Orion females. To the point that you wonder if they actually have Orion males :cool:
They're working in the galley, barefoot and (somehow) pregnant.
And then people wonder why Roms aren't a complete stand-alone faction. All they need to do is look in this thread to see why. It's like Republicans and Democrats in here already. The last thing we need is a "green" party throwing all their prejudice in here too.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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I'll give you that whole thing about having Orion females around. That IS a significant perk. Why, I'm willing to wager that at least 3/4 of the KDF characters are Orion females. To the point that you wonder if they actually have Orion males :cool:
I have three male Orion captains (and no female captains of any kind)
Season 3: General game updates. Klingons get everything the Feds got.
Could you please explain this part in more detail? I've only been on STO since season 5 and am having a hard time finding any truth to this statement...
I'll give you that whole thing about having Orion females around. That IS a significant perk. Why, I'm willing to wager that at least 3/4 of the KDF characters are Orion females. To the point that you wonder if they actually have Orion males :cool:
It was funny wasnt it? He didnt even answer the question. I asked was the last KDF content recieved.
It was infact the Honor Day event. Before that the last KDF content was the Veteran ship I believe. Before that it was Alpha I think..... Not really sure.
His preaching of how the KDF gets more than the feds though is way skewed and biased.
Not to mention blind to the advantages of fed ship choices.
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Guess it comes down to the chicken and the egg. The game has been so focused on the UFP that it is only natural it makes up the majority of players especially in the F2P camp. What is really in question is if the same effort and attention were focused on the other side - soon to be sides of the house, is, will the player base change after an equal amount of time? Given that nearly every player I know - and I know many play UFP because they "have no choice" I'm willing to bet that if equal commitment of resources was given to other elements that the player base would balance out more but I digress....
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Star Trek is about the Federation rising above and defeating their sneaky cheating enemies.
Now Next Gen kind of diluted this premise and STO added monster races to make more $$ from those types of people.
Their should be some Fed specific content in everything put out for this game.
We DO get Warp Cores and their mechanics which I'm looking forward to.
Yup, going to go heat up some kettle corn in the microwave because I might as well have some pop corn to go along with my entertainment. I can't believe this thread hasn't been closed already.
The OP's question is valid.
You could also take the view that feds have kept STO and possibly Cryptic as a whole financially afloat and are wondering what the game has for them in the next Xpac. We could even call the Klingons freeloaders since they clearly don't bring in what they should
As for myself, I would've preferred 4 or 5 good STFs over a generic Space Elf Rebel Alliance. If not that how about an advancement of the game story that moved FORWARD instead of prequels.
But that's just me. I cannot imagine what actual Romulan fans must be feeling now. Or KDF fans for that matter, they're about to get a the Blood Elf treatment. For those wondering, Blood elves are a faction of Emo Elves added to the Horde faction in WoW, since then they have become so popular that Blood Elf characters outnumber the next two most popular horde races combined. I foresee this happening to the KDF
There's a couple of reasons why, but either way I'd hate to see Klingons be even further down the pop totem pole, do Orions outnumber Klingons btw?
Good grief I hope not! That so-called ship designer is a hack of the greatest caliber.
Sure, it's always interesting to think about what could have been. If the developers had the time and resources necessary to make good on their initial designs, meaning if the KDF had been developed as a complete PVE experience, would we see an even population split? Or, since this is Trek and there will always be a fan tendency to lean more towards the Federation? We can both agree that we'd see a more even split, something better than the oft quoted but not recently confirmed 88-12 split. My guess is that we'd have seen a 66-33 split at launch if the KDF were built as an equal faction, I make this guess exclusively on the power of my gut and nothing more.
But alas that's not what happened, so we don't get a 'chicken and egg' conundrum here. What we have instead is the very real conundrum now, the Romulan faction appeals only to those interested in rolling a new Romulan as their main or those interested in developing an alt. 20 extra levels of content for the KDF appeals only to those interested in rolling a new Klingon as their main, those interested in developing an Alt who haven't done so already and those wondering what nifty new consoles they're going to score. Since these groups combined are not likely to make up a majority of the player base the OP's question remains a valid, though narrowly conceived.
A far better question for this discussion would be, "What does your end-game level player get out of this expansion if he's not interested in rolling an Alt?" The answer appears to be, "A rep grind on Nukara" and "new targets in PVP with exciting new abilities."
I may have lost track of something but aren't most updates about the KDF these days?
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Name the last KDF one then?
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Gameplay parity that results in the PvP targets and hopefully increases the number of people paying for the game = more dev money = more game.
Not true at all. Feds get warp cores, a whole new item to slot. And they get a very very very LCARS UI, which you know is a pretty amazing leap forward for TNG fans who've wanted that look since day 1.
And the new trait system.
I mean, yeah, this is kind of "everybody gets this stuff" but for the folks who aren't interested in Romulans or Klingons, this stuff is still part of new bits that they get to play on their fed mains.
Plus changes to BOFF powers. And some consoles, like RCS Consoles just got a boost.
It's little stuff for sure, but there is stuff in this for feds.
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Season 2: Klingon updates and missions. KDF also gets the Kar'fi Carrier, their second carrier that is still superior to the Atrox. Feds get some gimmick ships and Diplomacy, which was...oh right, virtually worthless.
Season 3: General game updates. Klingons get everything the Feds got.
Season 4: General game updates and shooter mode. Qo'Nos gets revamped. No Fed-only content.
Season 5: Duty officers, new Borg stuff, Klingon updates letting you start at 20. No Fed-only content.
F2P: New flagships! Feds get the Odessy, Klinks get the Bortasqu.
Season 6: Foundry updates, fleet starbases, Tholians...no faction-specific content at all.
Season 7: New Romulus grind-zone, Rep system, STFs, and Embassy. Feds get the Vesta to slap Science Vessels in the face to make them more like Escorts and the half-dozen Warships the KDF has.
So...there are your KDF updates and KDF-centric updates. When was the last FED-centric update? Y'know, where the FEDS got something and KDF got nothing? You may have less leveling-up PvE content, although with featured episodes that hardly is even noticeable now, but you have just as much *meaningful* content as Feds, just as many if not more ships and they're pretty much just flat out BETTER than Fed ships in almost every regard, which is a slap in the face to canon because Klingons had quantity of ships whereas Starfleet had few, but powerful quality ships.
You're joking right wow this made me LOL.
We don't need to get anything.
he has a point thou ...plus klinkies have orions,you cant ask more
I'll give you that whole thing about having Orion females around. That IS a significant perk. Why, I'm willing to wager that at least 3/4 of the KDF characters are Orion females. To the point that you wonder if they actually have Orion males :cool:
They're working in the galley, barefoot and (somehow) pregnant.
Feddies really can't stand not being in the spot light for a few moments, their selfishness really knows no bounds.
Why should they? They paid for almost everything
I have three male Orion captains (and no female captains of any kind)
Could you please explain this part in more detail? I've only been on STO since season 5 and am having a hard time finding any truth to this statement...
LOL
and thats true :P
It was funny wasnt it? He didnt even answer the question. I asked was the last KDF content recieved.
It was infact the Honor Day event. Before that the last KDF content was the Veteran ship I believe. Before that it was Alpha I think..... Not really sure.
His preaching of how the KDF gets more than the feds though is way skewed and biased.
Not to mention blind to the advantages of fed ship choices.
R.I.P