The Feds need something because it's Star Federation Trek, not Klingon Trek (although that might be a good show) or Romulan Trek.
The Klingons and Romulans are bad guys for the Feds to beat in the IP (The REAL IP, not the Next Gen mess)
That said, rolling a Klingon can be fun and I'm sure the Romulans will be fun.
Adding some Fed stuff into the mix wouldn't hurt anybody.
I would not carry any concern over the feds getting nothing in LoR. I do not think the shadow of LoR will be long gone before the Devs give something new to the fed playerbase to enjoy and spend money upon.
I can't argue about launch. It's been explained dozens of times about why the KDF got less at launch. But since Season 2 it's been the other way around. Every mission added to the game since that season has been for both factions or been only for KDF. Both Factions got all the FEs, both Factions got Doffs, both Factions got STFs, both factions got end-game dailies, both factions got red alerts and combat zones like Deferi. On top of that KDF got Sorties, Marauding, Alpha, and the like. There's been no mission type or zone added for only the Feds since season 2, nearly 3 years ago.
There's been tons more C-Store toys added for the Feds, but that's not content. I'd be more then happy to see tons of KDF stuff added to the C-Store and let the red-side foot the bill for the game for a while.
I thought feds Diplomacy was thier version of marauding, infact predating marauding by a bit. Marauding being added as the KDF eqivalent.
Alpha was definately KDF only and a mission I always figured was released in someones sparetime to help the then fires of Klingon anger, over whatever we where angry over at that time.:-P
To say the feds have gotten no fed only mission content for a while would be true but yo say the feds have been starved for attention in the form of new game content is not.
We have shared in the release of most everything including STFs, Doffs, and other game mechanics is because its iether not factionspecific like STFs because such are endgame material or its a game mechanic like Doffing, but we have not shared in every piece of content that has been released.
I didn't realize that any one else was getting anything in terms of warp cores though, could some one post a link to that so i could check it out? I also forgot about the nimbus stuff all together, so i'll be curious to see that as well. Still, i wonder if Maxing out my Romulan will unlock anything cool for my other characters or if they will have a UFP rep system since the romulan Rep seems a bit moot at that point.
As far as I know, There is nothing that playing a Romulan character will grant your fed character. The two are seperate, as is the KDF finally.
Look at it this way. If you roll a Federation character you are going to follow that character's career to endgame and the story will be all enclusive. You don't need to roll a Rom or KDF to enjoy the Federation experience. Likewise, the same is true for KDF and Roms. Each is independent and not beholden to others to get the most out of their individual experience.
Now I will say, having played a Romulan Character, if you play all three, you get a richer experience overall. That is more over arching story within the game is enhanced by the Romulan story, but none are essential to any other.
It's really important to try and understand something.
For about 3 years the Feds have not gotten anything anyone else has not also gotten. On top of that for 3 years every couple of weeks an ad pops up saying: "Here Fed players, buy this new item in the C-Store!" And for 3 years we've been buying it, and each time we do so we hope there's going to be some new content - some new end-game thing to play through, some new mission, some new daily because we bought it.
We've been constantly asked to financially support the game over and over and over and then every time we look around we see no new content added just for Feds - and most of us just live with that because we're happy to just have a Trek game to play. The new content's always a new zone for everyone, or a series of new KDF or Rom missions like we see coming next month. And then every time we do get some special C-Store trinket for free, like an Ambassador Class ship, the forum is bombarded with KDF players telling us how we deserve nothing and how we should just shut up and be content with all that we have.
Rather then telling us to shut up and be content it might just be nice if you just once said: "Thanks for supporting the game for the last few years so that I, a KDF player, could eventually get some new KDF missions, and the Roms could get some missions, and I hope you can get a couple of new Fed missions in the future too."
That would be a real shock to the system.
I think you're overlooking the fact that, though most of the released content has been 'universal'. . .most of it is initially structured from a Federation viewpoint. Heck, the Path to 2409 felt like it was a Federation mission with a KDF wrapper hastily slapped on for the KDF players.
That's why some players might consider the universal-access content to be 'Federation content', because it's written from a Federation perspective.
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I think you're overlooking the fact that, though most of the released content has been 'universal'. . .most of it is initially structured from a Federation viewpoint. Heck, the Path to 2409 felt like it was a Federation mission with a KDF wrapper hastily slapped on for the KDF players.
That's why some players might consider the universal-access content to be 'Federation content', because it's written from a Federation perspective.
That doesn't change the fact that for 3 years the Fed players have been doing nothing but forking over cash while the KDF Players have just been sitting around complaining about all the "stuff" the Feds get. And through that entire period everyone's gotten the same amount of content, no matter how it was "wrapped." It was things for the Fed and KDF to do. How many Fed players would be happy to do alpha even though it's a KDF flavor "wrapped" mission? Probably tens of thousands.
The Feds aren't privileged. They didn't get all this stuff because Cryptic liked them more. They got it because sales history indicated they are willing to pay for it. The only thing Cryptic has given a Fed player for free, that the KDF did not also get, was the Ambassador Class ship. Before that it was the Oddy - and the KDF got the Bort. And there certainly hasn't been any Fed-only mission thrown at them for being good customers.
I've always believed that what's best for the game is best for everyone playing the game, but that doesn't mean the Fed players don't feel like they've been nothing but cash cows for the last 3 years. Cryptic dangled the "shiny toy" and they bought it hoping that it helped keep the game going. It's not like they're actually using every ship they buy, or every uniform they buy.
And here we are over 3 years in and the KDF are getting 20ish new missions and the Roms are getting 20ish new missions, so it's not uncalled for that a Fed player is wondering why they can't get 1 new mission just for themselves. It's not like they haven't paid for it over the last 3 years.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I thought feds Diplomacy was thier version of marauding, infact predating marauding by a bit. Marauding being added as the KDF eqivalent.
Alpha was definately KDF only and a mission I always figured was released in someones sparetime to help the then fires of Klingon anger, over whatever we where angry over at that time.:-P
To say the feds have gotten no fed only mission content for a while would be true but yo say the feds have been starved for attention in the form of new game content is not.
We have shared in the release of most everything including STFs, Doffs, and other game mechanics is because its iether not factionspecific like STFs because such are endgame material or its a game mechanic like Doffing, but we have not shared in every piece of content that has been released.
Diplomacy used to be Mission based when it was fed. I believe Marauding was added with the DOFF addition when they changed Diplomacy to DOFF-type, and pretty much made the Diplomacy Mission XP next to worthless, and pretty much left Diplomacy missions to atrophy [although, hey, we did get another 10 Diplo XP reward from Tau Dewa ].
The only thing Cryptic has given a Fed player for free, that the KDF did not also get, was the Ambassador Class ship. Before that it was the Oddy - and the KDF got the Bort.
I picked out this part of your post just to be honest about it and remind you that when the Federation players got the Ambassador class, we got the Kamarag class. Through the same 'Temporal Ambasador' mission, Tier 3 & Tier 5 one, Kamarag class battlecruiser.
Very nice design in fact and a nice sci-oriented cruiser with Klingon design, many people wanted one and myself as I believe many others really like it a lot.
So Cryptic was fair on their part and also gave the KDF the equal treatment in receiving awards from the third anniversary mission.
A reminder but some things like the hargh'peng torpedo were klingon technology but only available to the Federation. Even now the blue side gets it for free whereas the kdf has to fully level crafting and pay dilithium so its hardly parity.
Things only tend to be given to the kdf if enough of an outcry is made. I am sure everybody remembers when f2p was coming we had a dev blog saying which ships would be available to all sides on release of f2p .. yeah, well two of those ships are still patiently being waited for!
The people who say missions are cross factional are a little delusional as others have pointed out. Look at the devidian series as an example where nobody bats an eyelid when 'enemy' forces are running around the station. Heck, the only hint of anything amiss is a 'thats a funny uniform you got there friend' comment from scotty. McCoy and the base commander couldnt care less about klingons running around a federation starbase at all.
Alpha was a mission thankfully received by the playerbase but that was not Cryptic sanctioned, but a project done by a sympathetic dev in their spare time. So yeah content is nearly always fed oriented and then twisted for other factions to play, something which so far will be more noticeable for those who choose to play Romulans in May.
Funny thing about this thread is that SOME people seem to be more exited about Feds not getting anything then they are about the new Klingon and Romulan content. I had no idea there's much envy and grudge among the players...
Actually, Feds get the potential of PvP teammates with battle cloak, which is no small matter.
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That doesn't change the fact that for 3 years the Fed players have been doing nothing but forking over cash while the KDF Players have just been sitting around complaining about all the "stuff" the Feds get. And through that entire period everyone's gotten the same amount of content, no matter how it was "wrapped." It was things for the Fed and KDF to do. How many Fed players would be happy to do alpha even though it's a KDF flavor "wrapped" mission? Probably tens of thousands.
The Feds aren't privileged. They didn't get all this stuff because Cryptic liked them more. They got it because sales history indicated they are willing to pay for it. The only thing Cryptic has given a Fed player for free, that the KDF did not also get, was the Ambassador Class ship. Before that it was the Oddy - and the KDF got the Bort. And there certainly hasn't been any Fed-only mission thrown at them for being good customers.
I've always believed that what's best for the game is best for everyone playing the game, but that doesn't mean the Fed players don't feel like they've been nothing but cash cows for the last 3 years. Cryptic dangled the "shiny toy" and they bought it hoping that it helped keep the game going. It's not like they're actually using every ship they buy, or every uniform they buy.
And here we are over 3 years in and the KDF are getting 20ish new missions and the Roms are getting 20ish new missions, so it's not uncalled for that a Fed player is wondering why they can't get 1 new mission just for themselves. It's not like they haven't paid for it over the last 3 years.
Its also not as if the KDF has not been begging to have our own uddders stroked by the Devs.
We spend money as well but with little to spend it on why would we?
The feds had and have used the "We pay for STO" reasons in the past as the main playerbase on why they entitled to get what they want or just something when expansions get released.
Its been a poor reason for VIP treatment and I still think it is now.
Not an unexpected request but as another has said it'll good lesson in humility for some.
I doubt the feds will be left long without something just for them arriving.
A reminder but some things like the hargh'peng torpedo were klingon technology but only available to the Federation. Even now the blue side gets it for free whereas the kdf has to fully level crafting and pay dilithium so its hardly parity.
Things only tend to be given to the kdf if enough of an outcry is made. I am sure everybody remembers when f2p was coming we had a dev blog saying which ships would be available to all sides on release of f2p .. yeah, well two of those ships are still patiently being waited for!
The people who say missions are cross factional are a little delusional as others have pointed out. Look at the devidian series as an example where nobody bats an eyelid when 'enemy' forces are running around the station. Heck, the only hint of anything amiss is a 'thats a funny uniform you got there friend' comment from scotty. McCoy and the base commander couldnt care less about klingons running around a federation starbase at all.
Alpha was a mission thankfully received by the playerbase but that was not Cryptic sanctioned, but a project done by a sympathetic dev in their spare time. So yeah content is nearly always fed oriented and then twisted for other factions to play, something which so far will be more noticeable for those who choose to play Romulans in May.
I guess you didn't get the memo that you can get the torpedo for free by doing a DOff mission? So the bolded point in your post is invalid.
I would not carry any concern over the feds getting nothing in LoR. I do not think the shadow of LoR will be long gone before the Devs give something new to the fed playerbase to enjoy and spend money upon.
More people to play with? New Romulan allies? Not everything needs to come with cookies for Fed captains.
What if Blizzard had released Mists of Pandaria, and let the Alliance quest through a new continent... and said to the Horde, "We've been treating you pretty well lately, so you can just continue to enjoy Cataclysm."
As I said before, I'm not begrudging the KDF or the Roms new content, but saying that Federation players shouldn't whine if the first expansion for Star Trek Online has no Federation content is a pretty dumb thing to say.
What if Blizzard had released Mists of Pandaria, and let the Alliance quest through a new continent... and said to the Horde, "We've been treating you pretty well lately, so you can just continue to enjoy Cataclysm."
As I said before, I'm not begrudging the KDF or the Roms new content, but saying that Federation players shouldn't whine if the first expansion for Star Trek Online has no Federation content is a pretty dumb thing to say.
Considering Crytic has done this game's equivalent of "We've been treating you pretty well lately, so you can just continue to enjoy Cataclysm." for the KDF several times now I'm not sure what your point is...at all...
To me, I call it a "Content Update". And Blizzard have a long history with releasing some content updates that cater to either the Alliance or the Horde (or both). What Cryptic is doing is no different. What is different, is that they call it an Expansion.
For me to call it an expansion pack, the following criteria must be met:
- Raised level cap (none in Legacy of Romulus)
- New skills (none in Legacy of Romulus)
- New talents/passives (Does the Nukara Reputation count???)
- New areas to explore for high-end players (Nimbus Adventure zone, but it's available for all levels)
- Higher tiered gear/ships (none in Legacy of Romulus)
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I would not carry any concern over the feds getting nothing in LoR. I do not think the shadow of LoR will be long gone before the Devs give something new to the fed playerbase to enjoy and spend money upon.
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I thought feds Diplomacy was thier version of marauding, infact predating marauding by a bit. Marauding being added as the KDF eqivalent.
Alpha was definately KDF only and a mission I always figured was released in someones sparetime to help the then fires of Klingon anger, over whatever we where angry over at that time.:-P
To say the feds have gotten no fed only mission content for a while would be true but yo say the feds have been starved for attention in the form of new game content is not.
We have shared in the release of most everything including STFs, Doffs, and other game mechanics is because its iether not factionspecific like STFs because such are endgame material or its a game mechanic like Doffing, but we have not shared in every piece of content that has been released.
R.I.P
As far as I know, There is nothing that playing a Romulan character will grant your fed character. The two are seperate, as is the KDF finally.
Look at it this way. If you roll a Federation character you are going to follow that character's career to endgame and the story will be all enclusive. You don't need to roll a Rom or KDF to enjoy the Federation experience. Likewise, the same is true for KDF and Roms. Each is independent and not beholden to others to get the most out of their individual experience.
Now I will say, having played a Romulan Character, if you play all three, you get a richer experience overall. That is more over arching story within the game is enhanced by the Romulan story, but none are essential to any other.
and i hope KDF gets the next big season update! THEY NEED IT!
if yr Fed stop complaining.
Hug a klingon, or you know challange them to bathleth match, they like those...i think.
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I think you're overlooking the fact that, though most of the released content has been 'universal'. . .most of it is initially structured from a Federation viewpoint. Heck, the Path to 2409 felt like it was a Federation mission with a KDF wrapper hastily slapped on for the KDF players.
That's why some players might consider the universal-access content to be 'Federation content', because it's written from a Federation perspective.
The Feds aren't privileged. They didn't get all this stuff because Cryptic liked them more. They got it because sales history indicated they are willing to pay for it. The only thing Cryptic has given a Fed player for free, that the KDF did not also get, was the Ambassador Class ship. Before that it was the Oddy - and the KDF got the Bort. And there certainly hasn't been any Fed-only mission thrown at them for being good customers.
I've always believed that what's best for the game is best for everyone playing the game, but that doesn't mean the Fed players don't feel like they've been nothing but cash cows for the last 3 years. Cryptic dangled the "shiny toy" and they bought it hoping that it helped keep the game going. It's not like they're actually using every ship they buy, or every uniform they buy.
And here we are over 3 years in and the KDF are getting 20ish new missions and the Roms are getting 20ish new missions, so it's not uncalled for that a Fed player is wondering why they can't get 1 new mission just for themselves. It's not like they haven't paid for it over the last 3 years.
Diplomacy used to be Mission based when it was fed. I believe Marauding was added with the DOFF addition when they changed Diplomacy to DOFF-type, and pretty much made the Diplomacy Mission XP next to worthless, and pretty much left Diplomacy missions to atrophy [although, hey, we did get another 10 Diplo XP reward from Tau Dewa
I love that question! Feds get 95% of stuff already. Great way to troll the KDF players!
I picked out this part of your post just to be honest about it and remind you that when the Federation players got the Ambassador class, we got the Kamarag class. Through the same 'Temporal Ambasador' mission, Tier 3 & Tier 5 one, Kamarag class battlecruiser.
Very nice design in fact and a nice sci-oriented cruiser with Klingon design, many people wanted one and myself as I believe many others really like it a lot.
So Cryptic was fair on their part and also gave the KDF the equal treatment in receiving awards from the third anniversary mission.
Things only tend to be given to the kdf if enough of an outcry is made. I am sure everybody remembers when f2p was coming we had a dev blog saying which ships would be available to all sides on release of f2p .. yeah, well two of those ships are still patiently being waited for!
The people who say missions are cross factional are a little delusional as others have pointed out. Look at the devidian series as an example where nobody bats an eyelid when 'enemy' forces are running around the station. Heck, the only hint of anything amiss is a 'thats a funny uniform you got there friend' comment from scotty. McCoy and the base commander couldnt care less about klingons running around a federation starbase at all.
Alpha was a mission thankfully received by the playerbase but that was not Cryptic sanctioned, but a project done by a sympathetic dev in their spare time. So yeah content is nearly always fed oriented and then twisted for other factions to play, something which so far will be more noticeable for those who choose to play Romulans in May.
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You good sir, have just made my morning. I thank you.
The Fed players have had an all you can eat buffet for 3 years; and the OP wants to know what is in it for the Feds?
Un-Freaking-believable............
Actually, Feds get the potential of PvP teammates with battle cloak, which is no small matter.
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Its also not as if the KDF has not been begging to have our own uddders stroked by the Devs.
We spend money as well but with little to spend it on why would we?
The feds had and have used the "We pay for STO" reasons in the past as the main playerbase on why they entitled to get what they want or just something when expansions get released.
Its been a poor reason for VIP treatment and I still think it is now.
Not an unexpected request but as another has said it'll good lesson in humility for some.
I doubt the feds will be left long without something just for them arriving.
R.I.P
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They get a PONY!!!
and tic tacs
Maybe a VHS of Star trek V with spanish subtitles
OH OH OH.....Maybe they will also get some pop tarts
I want a pop tart :P
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Like ... a Lockbox . :P
I know the quote is from a few days ago but I had to LOL this one.
KDF babies? On a fed post whining about... what are feds getting with this update.. waaaahhh QQ lmao
Too ironic to pass up.
Your Javelin deals 125417 (89066) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Recluse. > lol
What if Blizzard had released Mists of Pandaria, and let the Alliance quest through a new continent... and said to the Horde, "We've been treating you pretty well lately, so you can just continue to enjoy Cataclysm."
As I said before, I'm not begrudging the KDF or the Roms new content, but saying that Federation players shouldn't whine if the first expansion for Star Trek Online has no Federation content is a pretty dumb thing to say.
EVERYTHING must come with Cookies for Fed Captains!!!!!
Sorry, but I stole all the Feds cookies in a grand scheme. If you want them back you will have to pay......one hundred billion dollars!!!!!
Considering Crytic has done this game's equivalent of "We've been treating you pretty well lately, so you can just continue to enjoy Cataclysm." for the KDF several times now I'm not sure what your point is...at all...
To me, I call it a "Content Update". And Blizzard have a long history with releasing some content updates that cater to either the Alliance or the Horde (or both). What Cryptic is doing is no different. What is different, is that they call it an Expansion.
For me to call it an expansion pack, the following criteria must be met:
- Raised level cap (none in Legacy of Romulus)
- New skills (none in Legacy of Romulus)
- New talents/passives (Does the Nukara Reputation count???)
- New areas to explore for high-end players (Nimbus Adventure zone, but it's available for all levels)
- Higher tiered gear/ships (none in Legacy of Romulus)