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  • nassirisnassiris Member Posts: 111
    edited April 2013
    I must say that it really bugs me that for the past three years that that around 80% of the content made for this game has been geared towards the Fed players. Now that the KDF is finally getting some content to bring them up to par with the Feds all we here from the Fed play is "What About Me".

    I think it should be looked at this way, with the new added content for the KDF and the Romulans we will probably be seeing some of the players migrate from playing as just Federation and checking out these other factions. I can say starting out as a KDF Lt. Commander it has not been fun at all. I want to build a toon up from the beginning and not be forced to start at the half way mark so to speak. I would not be surprised to see the Fed population to start thinning out.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    What the feds will have :
    -Tholian reputation, including new toys.
    -Nimbus storyline, including 6new episodes, new to STO.
    -A new adventure area, Nimbus.
    -Traits revamp
    -UI revamp
    -Warp core, a new slot for all your ships

    Which is more than what Season 7 bring to Feds, if I'm correct.

    Now, please, please, say it's not enough, so you may look even more stupid, if it's possible (you should be near the bottom ATM).
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  • hartzillahartzilla Member Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    nassiris wrote: »
    I must say that it really bugs me that for the past three years that that around 80% of the content made for this game has been geared towards the Fed players.

    That's probably because Star Trek is mostly told from the federation's point of view.


    Now as for the federation players getting something from this update, I vote we bug the devs into letting us use dual and dual heavy cannons on fed cruisers in the interests of parity seeing as both Romulans and Klingons get to use them on their more well known ships.
  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I'll give you that whole thing about having Orion females around. That IS a significant perk. Why, I'm willing to wager that at least 3/4 of the KDF characters are Orion females. To the point that you wonder if they actually have Orion males :cool:


    ..More like two perks in one :D:D
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    nassiris wrote: »
    I must say that it really bugs me that for the past three years that that around 80% of the content made for this game has been geared towards the Fed players. Now that the KDF is finally getting some content to bring them up to par with the Feds all we here from the Fed play is "What About Me".
    First of all, content, as Cryptic defines it is missions and gaming zones. Geko talks about this quite explicitly in the UGC podcast. The majority of content over the last 3 years has been uni-faction, with the KDF getting a few more exclusive types of content: Sorties, Marauding, and a couple of KDF-only missions.

    All the C-Store shiny toys are not "content." The Feds get more shinies because they tend to buy more C-Store shinies. I'd gladly give up the last 2 $50.00 Ship Packs for a couple of new end-game missions. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • nassirisnassiris Member Posts: 111
    edited April 2013
    burstorion wrote: »
    ..More like two perks in one :D:D

    I must confess, my KDF Lt. General is an Orion female. :D
  • messahlamessahla Member Posts: 1,160 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    With the approach of Legacy Of Romulus coming with a months time, i had to ask: What are the feds getting?

    The feds are going to make out like highway bandits

    They will be getting a years supply of chimichangas and if that wasnt good enough....a pony lol

    Just joking im not going to spoil it but LoR is going to blow everyones mind whe it releases even hardcore Fed and KDF players will like what is to come.
  • nassirisnassiris Member Posts: 111
    edited April 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    First of all, content, as Cryptic defines it is missions and gaming zones. Geko talks about this quite explicitly in the UGC podcast. The majority of content over the last 3 years has been uni-faction, with the KDF getting a few more exclusive types of content: Sorties, Marauding, and a couple of KDF-only missions.

    All the C-Store shiny toys are not "content." The Feds get more shinies because they tend to buy more C-Store shinies. I'd gladly give up the last 2 $50.00 Ship Packs for a couple of new end-game missions. :)

    I will admit that the Dev's have slowly added some content to the KDF, but if you were to make a comparison side by side of the content to date you can clearly see overall more content has been produced for the Feds then their counter-parts in the KDF. That is why
    so many of us are looking forward to the release on 5/21, it is bring us at least a couple of strides closer to being at the same level as the Fed players and we are very happy about that.
  • thratch1thratch1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    nassiris wrote: »
    I must say that it really bugs me that for the past three years that that around 80% of the content made for this game has been geared towards the Fed players. Now that the KDF is finally getting some content to bring them up to par with the Feds all we here from the Fed play is "What About Me".

    I think it should be looked at this way, with the new added content for the KDF and the Romulans we will probably be seeing some of the players migrate from playing as just Federation and checking out these other factions. I can say starting out as a KDF Lt. Commander it has not been fun at all. I want to build a toon up from the beginning and not be forced to start at the half way mark so to speak. I would not be surprised to see the Fed population to start thinning out.

    I think you're looking at this situation wrong.

    I'm an exclusively Federation player. I have no desire to make a Romulan or Klingon alt, but neither do I have any problems with Romulans or Klingons getting exclusive content.

    Let's take a look at every expansion Blizzard has made, though: they always provided content for both the Alliance and the Horde. I honestly think that, if players have a letigimate concern that the first expansion to Star Trek Online might not have any Federation content ... then there is a problem! It's unprofessional to largely ignore part of your playerbase in a huge content update, and rather unreasonable to tell those players that the only content for them is "make a new character".

    I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, as I'm not following LoR rather closely. However, from what I do know, it sounds like all the Federation is getting out of this is Warp Cores, and Romulan player allies alongside us in the same STFs we've been playing for the past two or three years. If so, it's definitely a legitimate concern.
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  • edna#7310 edna Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    chalpen wrote: »
    what is wrong for feds to get the "Kdf Special"?

    feds should have skimpy outfits too :P
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    nassiris wrote: »
    I will admit that the Dev's have slowly added some content to the KDF, but if you were to make a comparison side by side of the content to date you can clearly see overall more content has been produced for the Feds then their counter-parts in the KDF. That is why
    so many of us are looking forward to the release on 5/21, it is bring us at least a couple of strides closer to being at the same level as the Fed players and we are very happy about that.
    I can't argue about launch. It's been explained dozens of times about why the KDF got less at launch. But since Season 2 it's been the other way around. Every mission added to the game since that season has been for both factions or been only for KDF. Both Factions got all the FEs, both Factions got Doffs, both Factions got STFs, both factions got end-game dailies, both factions got red alerts and combat zones like Deferi. On top of that KDF got Sorties, Marauding, Alpha, and the like. There's been no mission type or zone added for only the Feds since season 2, nearly 3 years ago.

    There's been tons more C-Store toys added for the Feds, but that's not content. I'd be more then happy to see tons of KDF stuff added to the C-Store and let the red-side foot the bill for the game for a while. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • nassirisnassiris Member Posts: 111
    edited April 2013
    thratch1 wrote: »
    I think you're looking at this situation wrong.

    I'm an exclusively Federation player. I have no desire to make a Romulan or Klingon alt, but neither do I have any problems with Romulans or Klingons getting exclusive content.

    Let's take a look at every expansion Blizzard has made, though: they always provided content for both the Alliance and the Horde. I honestly think that, if players have a letigimate concern that the first expansion to Star Trek Online might not have any Federation content ... then there is a problem! It's unprofessional to largely ignore part of your playerbase in a huge content update, and rather unreasonable to tell those players that the only content for them is "make a new character".

    I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, as I'm not following LoR rather closely. However, from what I do know, it sounds like all the Federation is getting out of this is Warp Cores, and Romulan player allies alongside us in the same STFs we've been playing for the past two or three years. If so, it's definitely a legitimate concern.

    I realize we have different points of view as to what we think might happen with the new release on the 21st of next month. There are some players I fill who may have wanted to try the KDF but didn't at the time because of the lack of content and not being able to start from the ground up. As for myself I'm going to dive in head first into the Romulan content and if I like it I may just delete my KDF and Fed toons permanently.
  • acoldtacoldt Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! And, GOOD, the feds don't need anymore attention. The game has been federation centric for three years, every new patch feds get something awesome and klingons get lefts in the crapper. So, when you think about it... What are he feds getting? AN ENEMY ON A MORE EVEN PLAYING FIELD!!! MUAHAHAAHAHA!!!
  • nassirisnassiris Member Posts: 111
    edited April 2013
    adrianm63 wrote: »
    feds should have skimpy outfits too :P

    Hoping for skimpy outfits for the female Romulans ( I know it wishful thinking).
  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    erei1 wrote: »
    What the feds will have :
    -Tholian reputation, including new toys.
    -Nimbus storyline, including 6new episodes, new to STO.
    -A new adventure area, Nimbus.
    -Traits revamp
    -UI revamp
    -Warp core, a new slot for all your ships

    Which is more than what Season 7 bring to Feds, if I'm correct.

    Now, please, please, say it's not enough, so you may look even more stupid, if it's possible (you should be near the bottom ATM).

    Okay, great post but two notes.

    First, remove the passive aggressive whiny stuff at the end. It may not make you look like the most stupid person on these threads, but it certainly makes you seem like one of the lease mature.

    Secondly, you need a time machine so you can get this response, after appropriate editing, up onto the front page.
  • edna#7310 edna Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! And, GOOD, the feds don't need anymore attention. The game has been federation centric for three years, every new patch feds get something awesome and klingons get lefts in the crapper. So, when you think about it... What are he feds getting? AN ENEMY ON A MORE EVEN PLAYING FIELD!!! MUAHAHAAHAHA!!!

    not like its star trek which was about starfleet and federation *facepalm*
  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    adrianm63 wrote: »
    not like its star trek which was about starfleet and federation *facepalm*

    Okay I will bite. Yes the game is Star Trek and so is all about the Federation, so we will remove anything which is not Federation.

    *You will fly about all day doing nothing but scanning anomalies and delivering supplies.

    *You will have no conflict and will shoot nothing except inanimate objects, enemies will instead be talked to death by lots of dialogue button clicking

    *You will only have access to super ugly ships with a saucer and nacelles - carriers are out of the question as are other ships like JHAS, Jemmy Dread, Galor etc

    *You will have no access to PvP as it is totally wrong to send federation ships in battle against each other.

    *All dilithium earned through missions has to be turned in to Starfleet as it was acquired while using their ships on their time so is a Starfleet asset.

    As an alternative we could allow a few other factions so we can have a more diverse game play experience, something this update should bring in heaps.

    Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thratch1 wrote: »
    I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, as I'm not following LoR rather closely. However, from what I do know, it sounds like all the Federation is getting out of this is Warp Cores, and Romulan player allies alongside us in the same STFs we've been playing for the past two or three years. If so, it's definitely a legitimate concern.

    Ok, first it depends I what you call "Federation Content". If you are talking, content just for me, and no one else. Then you are getting nothing. Now, If you are asking, Is there anything for me, as a Federation player only to do with this expansion. Here is your answer.

    Warp Cores - Technically I suppose these don't really count. They aren't really "content" so much as a new mechanic and way to customize your ship build

    Nukara/Anti-Tholian Reputation system - Again, whether you call this new "content" or not is up to you. I do not believe they are adding any actual content for this (ie STF/Fleet Actions, etc) but they are making existing content earn Nukara Marks. Though what specifically that all is hasn't been released on Tribble yet.

    Nimbus Adventure Zone - I can't really say what you can do in here. Again nothing has been officially released on Tribble to test just yet, but word is Nimbus will be an Adventure zone similar to New Romulus but at a lower level (21-25)

    4 to 5 Nimbus related Episodes - I don't remember the exact number (I am going off memory here), but there are a series of Episodes for all faction related to Nimbus. I am assuming set up the storyline regarding Nimbus as a zone. Admittedly I have been more busy with the Roms, so I haven't actually played the Episodes yet.

    So yes, Legacy of Romulus is going to feature heavily on the Romulans and Klingon side, Probably Romulans most of all, since they are going from a non-existent faction to full level 1-50 level progression. But The Federation isn't being left out in the Cold. There will be things for you to do, though probably not really as satisfying as some would hope.
  • admiralandyadmiralandy Member Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Not read the other posts but:

    1/ Theres another set of stories coming in so new content.

    2/ New Rep system.

    3/ Warp Cores as an added ship feature.

    Admittedly the above is not exclusive for the Federation side and the Klingons are getting 2 new ships.

    I'm a committed Fed player and were not exactly hard done by we've just had the Kumari line added fairly recently. Past year has seen, Regent, Vesta, etc, etc.

    I think this is a balance it out and give some much needed spotlight to the other factions. If it helps keep the game going so I can continue to enjoy playing it... then great.

    I would imagine there will be something for Feds again before too long.
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! And, GOOD, the feds don't need anymore attention. The game has been federation centric for three years, every new patch feds get something awesome and klingons get lefts in the crapper. So, when you think about it... What are he feds getting? AN ENEMY ON A MORE EVEN PLAYING FIELD!!! MUAHAHAAHAHA!!!

    THIS is why it's always a bad idea to include monster races as a playable Character in MMOs. It attracts a certain type of person.

    If Paramount and CBS decides to make a Star Trek MMO set in the CURRENT Trek universe, then people would have to play as Federation personnel seeing it hasn't been contaminated by the touchy feely experience that was Next Gen.

    Then those so inclined could lEaVE (see what I did there) STO to the Klingons and Romulans and those types of people.

    That said there are at least a few non rabid KDF players here that just want to have fun like most of us, It's just those people(tm) that give them a bad name.

    It's good to see ALL factions getting content, I don't know why, having painted themselves into this corner, Cryptic would stint on any one Faction.
  • abaddon653abaddon653 Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    THIS is why it's always a bad idea to include monster races as a playable Character in MMOs. It attracts a certain type of person.

    Oh and I suppose all Fed players are just completely agreeable, never flame or freak out, argue or troll?
  • crownvic2doorcrownvic2door Member Posts: 301 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The feds are getting a LOT of Romulans in need of joining a fleet, and thats the way I like it.

    :P
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I see new missions for them. With the Romulan story line. The Tholian Rep is coming, so I see more stuff there. I'm sure there will be a few other goodies that will show up.

    This is a sweet expansion as we get the Romulans to play. For those fans who been wanting them for a long time. And the KDF gets the missions and stuff they been wanting for a long time as well.

    Due to this, I will be busy on the game for months to come. With playing all 3 factions now. That will give me a total of 4 characters to work with.
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  • nievesnieves Member Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Why do the Feds need anything? They already have more ships by an incredible ratio, and more playable races. What else can they need that the others are getting? How about the Feds just sit this one out and be content with what they have, hm?
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The Feds need something because it's Star Federation Trek, not Klingon Trek (although that might be a good show) or Romulan Trek.

    The Klingons and Romulans are bad guys for the Feds to beat in the IP (The REAL IP, not the Next Gen mess)

    That said, rolling a Klingon can be fun and I'm sure the Romulans will be fun.

    Adding some Fed stuff into the mix wouldn't hurt anybody.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    nieves wrote: »
    Why do the Feds need anything? They already have more ships by an incredible ratio, and more playable races. What else can they need that the others are getting? How about the Feds just sit this one out and be content with what they have, hm?
    It's really important to try and understand something.

    For about 3 years the Feds have not gotten anything anyone else has not also gotten. On top of that for 3 years every couple of weeks an ad pops up saying: "Here Fed players, buy this new item in the C-Store!" And for 3 years we've been buying it, and each time we do so we hope there's going to be some new content - some new end-game thing to play through, some new mission, some new daily because we bought it.

    We've been constantly asked to financially support the game over and over and over and then every time we look around we see no new content added just for Feds - and most of us just live with that because we're happy to just have a Trek game to play. The new content's always a new zone for everyone, or a series of new KDF or Rom missions like we see coming next month. And then every time we do get some special C-Store trinket for free, like an Ambassador Class ship, the forum is bombarded with KDF players telling us how we deserve nothing and how we should just shut up and be content with all that we have.

    Rather then telling us to shut up and be content it might just be nice if you just once said: "Thanks for supporting the game for the last few years so that I, a KDF player, could eventually get some new KDF missions, and the Roms could get some missions, and I hope you can get a couple of new Fed missions in the future too."

    That would be a real shock to the system. :)
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The Feds need something because it's Star Federation Trek, not Klingon Trek (although that might be a good show) or Romulan Trek.

    The Klingons and Romulans are bad guys for the Feds to beat in the IP (The REAL IP, not the Next Gen mess)

    That said, rolling a Klingon can be fun and I'm sure the Romulans will be fun.

    Adding some Fed stuff into the mix wouldn't hurt anybody.

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  • cptshephardcptshephard Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    With the approach of Legacy Of Romulus coming with a months time, i had to ask: What are the feds getting? Romulans are getting their own stories and ships and such as well as those of their chosen faction. Klingons are getting more (much needed) story missions as well as two c-store ships. But aside from that... What are the romulans doing for us? Granted there is the Romulan Rep system, but that's a rep system and really shouldn't count as a perk since we have to grind and pay for things from people we aren't allied too (tholians: Coming Soon).

    Will the fed and KDF sides be getting anything useful from the romulans? Will maxing my RR captain's level unlock something cool for my other factions? Will my Rom Rep'd defiant be getting a better cloak or a Singularity drive? The Romulans benefit from my fed captains by unlocking remans as well as using our ships and starbases, but what is being offered in return?


    What benefits to this alliance are the two existing factions getting?

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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Nothing, and like it

    I have to agree for ones a season is not about feds
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    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • wraithshadow13wraithshadow13 Member Posts: 1,728 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Wow... there are a lot of angry and bitter people here...

    I meant this more as a "Aside from the rep system, what are the other factions getting in game from the romulans?" The Rep system isn't bad and all, but it's a but there's nothing really all that great Technology wise that we didn't have access to before the rep system. Sure the torp launcher is cool, but i already had the MK XII Purple Remen set and scorpion fighters. I just kind of thought it seemed like the romulans were getting a huge sign on bonus for the UFP and KDF to not really get anything but a store. I very specifically mention what are the romulans giving both factions, and people just seemed to latch on to the title and run with it. I'm not sure what that really says about people when they start in with all the rage over that...

    I didn't realize that any one else was getting anything in terms of warp cores though, could some one post a link to that so i could check it out? I also forgot about the nimbus stuff all together, so i'll be curious to see that as well. Still, i wonder if Maxing out my Romulan will unlock anything cool for my other characters or if they will have a UFP rep system since the romulan Rep seems a bit moot at that point.
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